I'm the proud owner of a Bedrock #604 smoother. I found it at a yard sale and they wanted $15 for it. I couldn't say, "Would you take $12?" fast enough.

@GregorKropotkin-qu2hp

3 жыл бұрын

Where do you live?!

@dlevi67

3 жыл бұрын

Would they? ;-)

@tomgarcia9200

3 жыл бұрын

bahahaha god bless you

@ronhau1542

Жыл бұрын

😮❤

@bostontricker211

Жыл бұрын

Lucky, I found a bedrock no 607 for $50

Bailey is good enough for Paul Sellers, so it's good enough for me.

@howardcameron2551

4 жыл бұрын

True, but Paul Sellers is like the pool shark that says he will play you using only a mop handle.😆

@kennnva551

4 жыл бұрын

I've fallen in love with another Paul Sellers plane brand ... Record. Avoid the later "Irwin Record" planes and you're pretty much guaranteed hefty, straight hand planes. I have a few Stanley planes, but rarely use 'em anymore.

@archiebf4524

4 жыл бұрын

He also uses Aldi chisels lol

@allanwolfe6071

4 жыл бұрын

@@kennnva551 Not sure about Record. If vintage, probably great. The new Record Tools I see on the market these days are Harbor Freight quality. I wouldn't buy them.

@kennnva551

4 жыл бұрын

@@allanwolfe6071 You're correct about the newer models. I avoid the Record-Irwin line up, but the original series and the Record-Marples variety of planes are very good. Record and Stanley were both manufactured in Sheffield, England, but the Record castings were a little more robust. One fellow recently told me his Record #05 weighs about a pound more than his Stanley #5.

If you want to adjust the mouth, you can buy a second Stanley plane to set up with a closed mouth, and still come out at a fraction of the price of the Bed Rock, and once set up there's no adjustment beyond grabbing the other plane.

@evensgrey

3 жыл бұрын

Which even eliminates the benefit of having a Bedrock back in the day as a professional who could potentially benefit from spending less time adjusting the mouth, as it seems unlikely it wouldn't be faster still to swap planes.

@darinnetherland3466

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent point.

@TheSMEAC

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent point... I have a cheesy buck bros No° I filed the mouth and tuned as my dedicated scrub plane, but the second Bailey is an excellent idea for folks on a budget who really want a dedicated medium mouth or who rely on others to set up their close smoothing mouth configuration and don’t want to touch/fix/break/ruin that “prefect zen like setup they’ve achieved on their 150+ year old work of art. They’d do well to never ever touch that frog again 🤪🤪🤪

@windhelmguard5295

3 жыл бұрын

i think the real reason why these didn't catch on is what happens when you start woodworking. so imagine you start woodworking, possibly a as an apprentice training under a master who's likely keeping a cut from any revenue you generate. you won't be having a lot of money, so when you get around to buying your first plane, you'll get the bailey and then, by the time you're good enough to make money on your own, you're completely satisfied using the bailey to which you might have also become emotionally attached by this point. finally, when you're a master, taking an apprentice of your own, guess which plane he'll see you using and guess which plane you'll be recommending and guess which plane your apprentice is going to pick up when he gets around to it?

@ARMYStrongHOOAH17

2 жыл бұрын

"And remember: switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading"

I follow Rex's videos. I rarely comment. This is a very good comparison review. If one wants a fine mouth. Buy a second one. No! A third one. $90 to $100 gets you a scrub plane, a general service plane and a super fine, extra sharp, nasty grain specialist smoother. Thanks Mr Krueger.

@luthiermatt

4 жыл бұрын

I have 3 no. 4's at the ready and have given away another 2. I agree, for the price of a bailey this works out pretty well.

Thanks, I can stop thinking that I am somehow missing something by replacing my $25 planes with $180 ones. Be happy with what you have!

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

That's advice for all of life!

@scottswineford6714

4 жыл бұрын

Very enjoyable and informative. Thanks young man. I am going to stick with my transitional, two grizzlys and the ones in your plans set. Between your plans, Paul's videos and James videos I pretty much have all I will ever need.

@justinsane332

4 жыл бұрын

If it works, and you ENJOY USING IT, nothing else matters. I love my veritas 4 smoother, but I also love my vintage Stanley sweetheart 5 1/4, plus I restored it back myself, which adds to the joy of using it. In fact, I love both my old vintage as well as my premium planes. The only plane I hate using is my wood river 5, it's heavy, feels cheap, and unless I need a lot of control on depth of cut, I now use my wooden 5 from Auburn over my wood river. I really don't like that plane, and it's a bedrock...

@gnarthdarkanen7464

4 жыл бұрын

It's worth pointing out that I'm more comfortable bringing out the "cheaper" handtools for work, because in the case some idiot drops it and causes serious damage, I CAN replace an "ordinary Bailey" relatively easily... ...NOT so much the premium, cork-sniffer Plane. ;o)

@jean-paulbaudet2951

4 жыл бұрын

$180 is crazy high for a bedrock #4 I think $80-$100 is a more appropriate target.

This is another informative video. Thanks for adding the term "cork-sniffer" to my vocabulary. I will get good use from it.

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't invent it, but I'm glad you like it!

@niterider0629

4 жыл бұрын

Calling someone a cork sniffer is like calling a knife a people opener

@tomdickharryjane

3 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the cork soaker skit from SNL with Janet Jackson.

Leave it to the "cork sniffers." I love it! And I will leave the Bed Rocks to the cork sniffers.

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

Probably a good idea!

@kdouglaslee

4 жыл бұрын

@@RexKrueger Lol, brother, you're holding a Bedrock you paid a lot of money for at the same time you deride it as being for "cork sniffers"! It's okay to like something and pay extra money for it because it's just cool.

@Kikilang60

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone should have idea what's out there. Recently, I was looking at this plane, and the body was red, while the frog was black. It looked very well made, but I didn't recognize the name. Then I looked further, and there was plane with a black body, and a red frog. This one was stamped Miller Falls. Neither look used once, and someone had an idea to switch the frogs around. Both were Miller Falls, but one was made for another company. The guy wanted twenty five, which was the going price, except they were new, never used. I only had the money for one, so I got the black bodied Miller Falls. It was smoothing plane, and work as nice as your willing to sharpen the blade. After the lock down is over, I'll go and see if the other one is there. Why spend money, when cheaper works just as good? Still, sometimes people sell stuff, and they have no idea what it is. Honestly, if you can find a Norris smoothing plane, and it's cheap. Cool, it great to be informed. If you did find a Norris plane, you could sell it, and but new cork sniffers.

@jlmfoy365

4 жыл бұрын

Call me dumb but I would have thought what is most important is a very sharp blade 😂. Regards Jim UK

@RickBoat

4 жыл бұрын

So, no, unless pehaps you ever ever will only own one plane.

I know that an infill plane would probably have the same verdict.... But I still don’t understand how my life will ever be totally complete without one of those gorgeous works of art. 😁

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know! I'm going to have to take the plunge on one of those at some point.

Thanks for the incredible dive in there, Rex. I appreciate the work you're putting into the handtool community, and helping to really open the way to a whole new generation of enthusiasts by smashing down barriers to entry, and demystifying things like this. Your videos are high up on my recommended "reading list" for new apprentices!

This was such a cool video. I loved the breakdown of the difference in function, system tests to validate worth, and assessment of why they are priced as such. Would LOVE to see one on different vintage saws.

Got my first hand plane about 2 weeks ago. You channel has been very helpful. Thanks so much. Keep up the good work

I picked up a Bailey #4 at a swap meet (like you suggested) and restored it (based on your videos). I got that plane for $1. Just last week I saw a Bed Rock 604 for $75. Thanks to this video, I took a pass. Thanks for saving me money Rex!! I appreciate all the great information for us beginners. 👍

My Grandfather was a professional carpenter and joiner and when he died, I inherited some of his tools including a Stanley Bailey Plane. Over 70 years old and still works a treat.

You're outlook on this hobby is so refreshing, really appreciate the time you take sir.

I've had a Bailey for over 50 years (yes I am an old timer) and it is my go to plane for everything. Once you get used to how to make the adjustments, it just becomes part of the workflow. You did a great job and it made me feel good about my old plane. Thanks Rex.

Again, credible, fair, scientific, well worth the time to watch. Thanks, Rex.

Hi Rex Thank you for this video. A friend of mine has a bedrock plane. I reworked it last year for his 15 yo daughter to use. Her grandpa owned it I think. Because of this video, I now know how to adjust it properly. How cool is that!? Blessings to you and yours, all those who love you and all those you love.

Thank you for the side by side comparison. I always wondered what it the real difference in the resulting work. Very well done!

Thanks for breaking it down for us Rex!

Thanks for another informative and honest review. I did wonder what all the noise was about. My #4 came from my dad so it's totally irrelevant what brand or type it is. It's absolutely worth spending the time restoring and tuning a standard Bailey #4. And despite being a total newb, I'm getting shavings I can see through.

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

It''s really not that hard and with a Bailey, it's worth the investment.

Rex, I love your videos. Yes, old vintage deep-dives are awfully interesting. Please do some more, especially if they feature real-world usage like this video did. 👍🏻👍🏻

Great video. I love this history and the setup tip. Well done.

Thanks, Rex! This is my favorite video yet of yours. You've done a great job of clearing out the cluttered misinformation about these. Well done! I suppose if I ever want to quickly adjust the mouth of my bailey patterns I'll just buy another and save both the expense of a bedrock, and the need for adjustment at all, since I'll have one on the shelf at the setting I'd like.

Crazy you posted this in June. I just picked up a Bedrock 605 yesterday for 10 bucks!

I wanted to comment on this just to add more value to this video for Rex because this is probably one of the best informational videos about plane value and difference that I’ve ever seen. Thanks Rex!

I am really impress by the quality of your production (videos/montage) and your diction. Extremely professional & excellent preparation. Thank you and congratulation.

thanks Rex, love your no nonsense approach.

LOL @ Cork Sniffers !!!! Been missing my Rex fix lately due to work and life but it was good to come back and see this one... I ALMOST bought a couple of Bedrocks a guy had a couple weeks back but opted for several Defiance and an Eclipse that were in far better condition and more in my wheelhouse

Ah, I love the smell of a good hype debunking in the morning!

Excellent info, as always, Rex. Thanks!

Fantastic video Rex! Love your channel mate one of my favourite channels on KZread! Keep up the good work! Got my Grandads old Stanley Plane think it's a No.4, I need to renovate. - It's not terrible but he was a cabinet maker/furniture maker and joiner before the war and after. For sentimental reasons I want to get his old plane in working condition to use myself. I know it's been used by my dad about 20 or 30 years ago for one or two odd jobs, but it's not been used since and was in my house when a flood happened with all my other stuff and sat in cupboard with damp air in house for 18months as insurance refused to pay out! So I'm dreading looking in there to see if it's all rusted up! Anyhow I've been collecting some old school hand tools from people who were retiring or passed away and family getting rid. Got a few nice old tools not show pieces but literally as they were last time they were used, which I like cos it's authentic and you know they're not messed with. A quick clean, oil, sharpen of blades drills, brace, jigs or whatever and hopefully all be good to go! Anyway I've been following your channel and really spurred me on to try and get things sorted so I can start my woodworking hobby soon as house is sorted! I'm also learning a TON! AND probably how to NOT ruin the tools I have got! Lol 🤣😂 Cheers from London 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

Thank you for all the information you provide!

Really good comparison, thanks Rex. Also great to see Hack's book being promoted. You know how highly I rate this!

I paid $38 for my Bailey no 4 on ebay. Seller said it needed work. When I got it I touched up the blade and tried it out. PERFECTION! I plan to clean it up at some point, but I kinda like the patina. I also picked up a no 5 rust bucket for $10 at a flea market. It was rusted up so bad I had to replace the blade and chip breaker ($12 on eBay) and after doing a complete restoration it is the jewel of my shop. Special prominent shelf and all!! Love the channel and your content.

Great timing! I was looking at a bedrock the other day. It's still for sale.

Thank you Rex! I love tool's! I love history! Put the two together and Shazam! "Cork sniffers" I love that too!

Thanks so much for this, I've been really wondering.

Excellent real talk. Break it down rex & keep busting these myths.i think it's awesome that you take the time to share Wisdom, (not knowledge) on real experience as a result of your own research,time&energy spent learning,making mistakes,or just plane experience over time for a real life lesson.

I have an antique stanley bailey no. 5 and they work great

hahaha 'cork sniffers' 😁 Great content today Rex! Stay safe. -Mike

I love your videos. You are funny and informative and I am very proud of you for homeschooling your child!😁 keep up the good work!❤❤❤

Great to hear I'll stick with my standard Bailey. Thank you 👍

As a fellow plane nerd I totally agree with your assessment. Lets be honest we dont NEED half the planes we have, but they are fun to hunt down and cool to have 👍

Thanks Rex. Do you think you might do a more in depth look at making the sweep on a smoothing plane iron? I can't quite figure it out.

I don't own any Bedrock planes, but I do have several Bailey pattern Stanleys. I also own a few WR planes that are patterned after the BR and I have to say they are my go to handplanes. Great video as usual Rex, thanks.

Id like to see what you think of the old blades vs new ones stanley still sales vs a hock replacement blade

I use my Grandfather’s Craftsman Bailey #4. (Circa 1950) it’s an excellent plane. I agree with the comment from Cad, if it’s good enough for Paul Sellers, I’m in! Great video, Rex!

Thankyou, Rex... It's been a couple years since I actually first laid my eyes (and hands) on a Bedrock... The price was a mildly negotiable $125... compared to a five-gallon bucket of "decent" baileys that I restored with about $30 invested in the whole thing... AND I thought I must be either stupid or crazy, but I couldn't see any difference in the handling, cuts, nothing... I mean, I get the "feeling" of it being more stable, but that doesn't necessarily impress me. Like you pointed out, "The proof is in actual work getting done." AND you nailed it. The Bedrock is ONLY worth so much more because it's so much more rare than the ordinary Bailey type. I'll admit to a certain amount of tool collecting, just to have the collection... At the same time, I use every tool in the shop sooner or later... OR I determine that I don't really need the damn thing and sell it. It's as true for the metal cut-off saw as it is for the combination wood/iron Bailey type Jointing Plane... or any of the rebate and trim planes laying around the place. AND of course, "HELL YES! We want to hear and see more about the vintage and affordable handtools... restorations... frustrations... trials and tribulations... ALL OF IT!" TOOL PORN! TOOL PORN! TOOL PORN!!! ;o)

Thank you! This needed to be said.

The trouble I have with Bedrocks is that the seat of the frog to the body, while well designed, is inclined toward the mouth. The Bailey design has a level bedding. So, with the Bedrock, if you tighten the mouth, you also increase the depth of cut, which means you may have to withdraw the iron a bit. On a Bailey, the frog moves parallel to the sole of the plane and the iron edge stays where it was set. All that aside though, if your chip breaker is positioned properly near the edge of the iron, the need for a narrow mouth is minimized or eliminated. You can usually handle reversing grain and knots with little if any trouble. Picked up that trick on The English Wood Worker, BTW. The selling point that Stanley emphasized for the Bedrocks was that they reduced chatter, which is actually caused by thin, flexing irons, so the chip breaker and cap are much more important than Bailey ever intimates. In use the iron flexes away from the frog, so no matter how nicely machined the frog is, so unless the chip breaker and cap iron do their job, you get chatter. This is the main impetus for modern, thicker irons.

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree!

Hey Rex, I really hope you see this comment. I have been watching you for a while now and have begun referring you as " The Plane Master" . Looking around on the internet, I saw people making plane shavings lamps and other stuff. What really caught my eye was the plane shaving Yosegi. ALL the creators and craftsmen I looked at tried and stumbled at making Yosegi with limited success. Then I thought, I would really like to see The Plane Master take a crack at the Yosegi plane shavings. You have a great technique with a plane, better than the majority of the other craftsmen out there, so this would be a great challenge for you as well as a possibility for making more simple Yosegi for the common garage woodworker. Thanks and Cheers from Canada!!

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe I'll give it shot! Who know, maybe I can do it....but it looks hard!

"collectors and cork-sniffers!" LMAO I love how down to earth you are.

I'm a turner so not much of a hand plane guy. But your comparison of the two types seems quite comprehensive to me. It would appear your conclusions are very accurate. Thank you for sharing.

Great video, I agree with everything you stated. Woodcraft plane I believe are based on the bedrock design. I have two of each of the number 3 and number 4 planes and I got all four for around 80. I have one of each with a tighter mouth and two are stock. I put a dab of red nail polish on the nose of the tight setup.

Very good analysis and I agree with you. Thanks

Thanks REX !! Awesome vid, very informative - I had never heard of hte bedrock, but I won't get burned now!!

The first plane I bought was a 5 1/2 bedrock I picked up at a farm auction. The only thing I had to compare it to was my grandfather's #5 which was/is ok. But right out of the gate the bedrock to me has been far superior. With less chatting, that is..none. The bedrock was so easy to setup. Sad to say I have never to this day taken the time to setup my grandfather's #5. The 5 1/2 bedrock is such a pleasure to use. I do take the point the Bailey planes work just fine. my everyday workhorse is a #4 lakeside. Which I am sure Stanley or Millerfalls made. #4s are so hard to come by for me. I prefer to find my hand tools....anyway good video.

Nice work man

Clear, concise, honest no and bullshit good advice !!! Great as always Rex !! Sure the bedrock is nice and all but the prices people ask for them are a bit ludicrous!!

Love the Bailey I got for $15 AUD. Cleaned up nice and cuts great

That's great information as usual, Rex. I have avoided ebay for years, so I have had a heck of a time getting my hands on any kind of bailey style plane. Our local flea markets haven't had anything when I've gone and Craigslist hasn't hit on a search in months. I have been tempted to just buy new from WoodCraft or Veritas, but I haven't been able to pull that trigger. Guess I'm still on the hunt!

Thanks for the words of wisdom and for saving me some money

I just bought a box of junky planes and one of them turned out to be a Bed Rock 604! I'm going to follow Rex's advice in his wire-wheel-on-bench-grinder vid to get it back on its feet again and then turn into a cork sniffing plane snob. I might have to retire my Footprint beater. Maybe I'll pimp the ride and make a fancy handle (I'll have to learn the wierd words for handle and such) and gold-plated something on it, like the springy blade hold down thingy! This is going to rock. (Or maybe it'll be sick - can't recall what the youngsters say these days when they mean really good.) Thanks, Rex!

I inherited a bedrock 606 and a Bailey type 4. I believe they’re both type 11. I want to use them. Thanks for showing the frog adjustment on both

Interesting comparison mr rex , thanks for the information 😊 .

You nailed it!

Since Furniture college I have bought a lot of old cheap Stanley and Record planes to refurbish and use, but never afforded to buy a Bedrock. Thank you for doing the comparison so I don't have to.

I was lucky to find three Bedrock planes at a bargain price a few years back, three different sizes, all for $90. I couldn't pass them up, and I'm glad to have them. But, I have to admit, part of the reason was the "mystique" surrounding them and their scarcity. It strikes me that you have done a fair test and appraisal. So, thank you for that, it was very enjoyable. I think planes have a special place among craftsmen and collectors because when is use, they feel like an extension of the woodworker's body. They give engaging feedback and the worker can sense the nature of the wood. For me, no other woodworking tool is such a pleasure to use.

Outstanding review! I'd like you to compare router planes, like the vintage Stanley 71 to the modern Lie Neilsen or Veritas. TIA.

As always very informative and interesting, Rex, which we all know don't always come in the same package. I went to check on The Handplane book and for a change the hardcover was cheaper! Of course when I go to buy it, it'll be back to normal.

Need some Rex insights on corrugated sole vs smooth sole!

@lawrencebombac7391

4 жыл бұрын

definitely this. Yo Rex! Do It!

@trumpetguy8371

4 жыл бұрын

I know Paul Sellers would tell you go smooth sole every time. Corrugated sole planes have are more likely to get gummed up on the sole with dust or shavings and are usually a bit more expensive anyway because of their collectobility.

@andrewgarratt5191

4 жыл бұрын

All they do is reduce friction...so corrugations on anything smaller than the 5.5 is just kinda silly. No.5.5 - No.8 you can actually tell a difference. Furthermore those corrugations are a blessing when it comes to re-flatting a sole.

@luthiermatt

4 жыл бұрын

Agree. This would be a great topic.

@Deboniako

4 жыл бұрын

@@trumpetguy8371 I got into woodworking after several fruitless tries at making furniture. So I started my research and saw that I need the very basic tools, between them, a hand plane. So I went to the shop and found only stanley corrugated sole planes ranging from 20 to 25 bucks. A month later at another store, I found only stanley flat sole planes ranging from 25 to 40 bucks. I'm from Chile, so I guess that's because the demand here.

thanks for sharing information

Cork-sniffer is absolutely something I will use and it’s an equally valuable takeaway to what I just learned about planes here today haha.

Another great video! Hey Rex- @ 12:28 -where is that vintage workshop pic from?

Thanks for the knowledge , Rex !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank's Rex!

Rex you are the man! I wanna get into planes but I only have a block plane... seems there's no estate sales this year due to covid or something

thank you Rex

Great video!

I think most of the problems occur with people who dont know how to tune their planes. I thought my Bailey wasnt as good as my other planes but it was because i had no idea how to tune. I actually learned how with your videos.

Another so usefull video, exactly my struggle right now. Thanks for anwering my hitching questions. That said with Covid, the flee market is out of reach and I feel like Amazon is not much of a great place to get such tools. Not being able to touch, feel, smell, weigh before buying is a pain for the beginner like me.

I got myself a great quality Stanley No 5 plane (patent 1918750) for 46 bucks on ebay. Couldn't be happier with it.

Until recently I have only had wooden, continental style handplanes. While thriftshopping I found my first Stanley plane a No. 65 blockplane. Imagine the rush I got when I realized that I would only have to spend 4 swiss bucks for such a magnificent tool! Damn good day that was!

Good video I have several Bailey's and when I see a Bedrock I feel exactly the same I can't see the that the Bedrock is worth all the extra cost!

Good video. I have a type 4 603C that I bought many years ago. It is a nice plane from around 1908 or so. I have a Bailey 5 1/2 from 3 or 4 years later, perhaps 1912. It has the 2 1/4 iron. I have a Bailey 7 from the early 30s. All are in great condition. All do the same job. I paid $75 for the 603, about 35 for the 5 1/2 and the 7 was free. My biggest plane regret is passing up a 602C for $275 about 5 years ago. I was going to buy it and my wife talked me out of it.

Perhaps that would be a good theme for some upcoming videos, tools that are only good if you are a woodworker. I will say I have gone the extra mile for old blade steel such as I Sorby plane irons, Marples chisels and old brass backed saws, you can tell the difference in how long these take the sharpen and how long they keep an edge and as for the I Sorby plane iron it's twice the thickness of a normal iron and keeps a good edge for months (only found in wooden planes)

Bought three baileys at a yard sale. Two where fine and one had a no blade. That one is used as decoration in the house. The others I hade set up as scrub plane and one as smoothing plane. Never had to adjust the mouth besides after the clean-up when I bought them. Using them for years now.

Excellent advice Rex. I have had both, including a full suite of Lie Nielsen Bedrock-pattern bronze planes. I retreated, sold most of my expensive planes, and invested in new blades and chip-breakers where needed for my Bailey-pattern planes. That all done, my favorites are my two Bailey-pattern 5-1/4 planes, all original. One is set wide and the other is set narrow. Why the 5-1/4? Slightly longer than a #4, but enough narrower to accommodate my failing 71 year strength but excessively large hands. Most #4 totes are very tight for my fat fists. My #4 is an English made Record Bailey-pattern type I purchased new in 1986. It was a terrific plane right out of the box and has more “grip room” than most #4’s. I feel planes are like shoes. Size 10s from Adidias don’t fit like size 10s from Nike. I can’t fit my big grubby mitts into the tote of a Wood River #4 Bedrock-pattern plane, but their smaller #3 fits fine. The #4 tote is too close to the blade/chip-breaker assembly, the #3’s blade assembly and tote sets further apart in spite of being smaller overall. Go figure... Your mileage will definitely vary!

@testuser3167

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! From another guy with large hands who thought about buying the Wood River #4 plane! During this COVID-19 lockdown, WoodCraft only does curbside pickup, so I can't go into the store and put my hands on the tools prior to purchase...

@cockamamy7582

4 жыл бұрын

Steven you are the first person I’ve ever seen who likes a No5 1/4 and can give a good reason why!

@Tool-Meister

4 жыл бұрын

FYI, Bailey #5-1/4 planes were the Grab First planes in my 8th grade woodworking class. I remember we had Blocks, 5-1/4s, & 7s. Might had others but that was 60 years ago so not crystal clear any more. You had to be in 9th grade to use table saws, jointers, etc.. Only power tools available to 8th graders were the lathe and bandsaw. Since I had to take a foreign language in 9th I only got 1 year of shop, all hand tools except for a turning project and a sculpted shelf roughed out on the bandsaw. That’s right, 14 year-old kids operating shapers, table saws, jointers, etc. Who says we’re asking more of students today? Not more today, just different. My grandson knows C++, Python, Arduinos, & Raspberry Pi’s, but I had to teach him about the sharp end of the chisel.

Could you please still add the link to the book to the description, as you said in the video? :-)

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reminder!

If I was a patron I would have KNOWN THIS 2 DAYS AGO

I got my Bedrock 1920's #(60)4 1/2 for 60 euro, 1930's #(60)5 1/2 for 40 and #(60)7 for 200 (it was literary unused, mint condition 1935 model, I could not resist i and love to use this plane). You can find them cheaper if you are lucky. But to be honest, recently when I look for "Bedrock" on ebay I usually find a set of screws, cap iron or just sole for those prices now. Maybe it's the central banks money printing hitting old collectibles with high inflation first ;)

Thank you for explaining the main difference and preventing me in the future from looking for a Bedrock plane. I think the term "cork sniffer" is good not only for hand tools, but for many more.. like musicians. They listen to a professional, look for the maker of his instrument, buy the same thing and believe they can automatically play like a pro. Except there is a little detail: Practice, practice, practice.

@testuser3167

4 жыл бұрын

So true. My late father was a professional photographer, and he often said when asked to justify his prices to those who said they could just go pick up a camera and "do the same thing" -- "You can hand anyone a paint brush, but that doesn't make them a Picasso..." Craftsmanship matters in all areas!

I'm about to buy a Bailey No. 5, a Bedrock No. 4, and another nameless No. 4 together for $30 on OfferUp. I was really only interested in the Bailey and had written off the other two as bonus planes. Excellent timing with this video!

@just-dl

4 жыл бұрын

sell the bedrock on ebay and get double your money back; someone could effectively you pay for keeping two planes....

@nolanpalmer5181

4 жыл бұрын

@@just-dl Heck no! I'm keeping this Bedrock to use. I don't have a Bailey No. 4 yet.

Yeah, I totally agree! I guess that it would really make sense if they had the same price, but this way? Ouch! 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family, Rex! 🖖😊

Great video. As with so many other things, the collectors and not users drive up the price.

Rex , great video ! I am a bit of a Bailey pattern junkie myself , I would love to to have the whole collection, I'm just 2 planes shy. I'm sure its obvious I will probable never stumble on a no 1 , but oddly the other one I am missing is a no 4 , crazy right . I can't seem to find one at a bargain and I refuse to pay 75$ for one after scoring a no 2 for 12 $ and a no 3 for 5 $ . So my search continues any thank for all you do be safe ! Ps a little interesting history , if I am not mistaken Lenard Bailey licensed his pattern to Sargent for a brief period prior to selling to Stanley.

I recently got into tool restoring and a couple months ago I came across an older guy selling a small carpenters chest with some tools in it for $40. From the pictures I could see some good panel saws so I decided to check it out. Rock up to this guys garage, pop open the box... couple of rusty disstons, but one was a d-8 ripsaw with the thumb hole. Alright, cool. Little farther down, craftsman duplex fillister plane. I’m almost convinced to buy this box. Dig a bit deeper, lo and behold- a Bedrock 605. I kept on my best poker face and said: “So you were thinking $40? Hmmm... yeah I think I can do that.”

Concise! Correct!

@RexKrueger

4 жыл бұрын

Appreciated!

Rex I try to capture every book you mention. Do you have a list of must reads or just a list of the books that have helped you the most?

Great video subject! I have a collection of bedrock #3-7 they work beautifully once tuned up. No other plan can compare. Only kidding, they are just sexier and us wood nerds need all the sexiness we can get! It’s also nice to own the original version of a Lie Nielsen at a fraction the cost.