I could see a carpenter using one if he is doing the whole house, once it is set up it would pretty much do all the doors in that house. Forget the apprentice...time is money too. Your demonstration showed one hinge being done but in reality, he would work 3 hinges at once.

I have never seen that plane. It's a real piece of history. A good time saver in it's day and it's neat for that.

I’m a MWTCA member and I’ve never heard of a 171. Awesome snippet of tool history Jim!

I like obscure old tools. Keep doing what you're doin.

I'm pretty sure the round corners on modern butt hinges is to accommodate the dado cutter used in modern electric router. Great for production work but not as fun the old school tools.

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Electric router can't cut a 90° corner.

Porter Cable hinge mortising jig is my go to lol

I love hearing about all these old tools and how to get things done. They may not have sold very well but they were still tools to do a job. Somebody sat down and saw a solution to a problem and out of been a big problem but they saw solution to a problem and they fixed it. They made a tool for it. The premise the idea was has always been work smarter, not harder. I love seeing these things in action and finding out about things I never knew anything about

This demonstration finally convinced me to buy a handheld Bosch router. Thank god for acrylic templates! All joking aside though, that's a pretty siamese plane.

I buy replacement doors and build the frames, what they sell is pine or some softwood, I like something that rots less easily, and always use just a chisle... never seen most of the planes you do these postings on... of coarse I'm not a carpenter, just an old guy way too cheap to pay other people to do things I think I can do myself...

@0student

Жыл бұрын

exactly -I'm using a knife and a sharp chisel for hinge sitting, and it is probably faster than router planes

Great video. Stanley sure did come out with a plane for everything.

Did I hear you say, “at the end of the DOOR”? Yes, I did! I, of course, knew you meant, “at the end of the DAY,” but I thought it was funny and silly enough to mention anyway. Love all your vids. I learn a ton (and at the end of the door, that’s a good thing)!

I have one in my Grandfather 's tool box I'm been a carpenter for over forty years and never see it still it's priceless to me

I have this plane. I have used it once. It's a cool plane to add to collection. I actually have 2 of these. One cost me 250, and the other was gifted to me. It's great learning about hand tools. Great channel!

In addition, there's the change in standards. My father's 1949 G.I.Bill house has no square corners, no plumb walls, and most door hinges were professionally fitted with a knife and screwdriver. New construction is even more efficient!

Very neat tool. Stanley's biggest competitor was indeed Stanley. I'm hoping to get a deal completed next week for a Stanley 55 at a "fair price" which much like this one is more rare as the Stanley 45 really did enough of the same jobs at a cheaper cost that it too was undersold.

I have never heard of a 171 until I watched this video. When I make a hinge I use some combination of a chisel and router plane.

The 171 looks like it would have been great for new home builders in the day but as an apprentice I learned to do "hinge checks" (NZ) with a butt guage, hammer and chisel, seemed not much slower than the 41, maybe even quicker? Once the skill was mastered anyway. Still prefer it for a single existing door or two, setup and mark out is really quick

@colinpain4892

5 ай бұрын

Love your videos by the way

I was taught to cut hinge mortices with a mallet and chisel, doesn't take long with practice. Regards Jim UK.

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

If you don't have a hinge butt mortiser that's definitely the fastest and easiest way.

Personally, I think the 171 is a very cool tool. I wouldn’t mind having one-and using it. James, I’m really enjoying these “useless” tools vids! Thank you!

Nice video! I have never used a 171, but seems like too much setup for the benefit, especially if you are a skilled woodworker with chisels with or without a simple router plane.

Wow, very cool tool. Never saw one before. Great history lesson.

Well, lemme rephrase. ALL of the tools down are bucket list tools!n never seen the hinge mortise stamps, Stanley had it all!

I've got about 6 different hinge markers now... they do make one for the large radius corners too. After that, I always just chistle...

So I saw a video where a guy was doing pros and cons of chisiling versus powered routering a hinge. I just kept thinking must be a better way. You just showed me 2. Powered routers are so messy, especially in the house

I have never seen either on of those tools, of course I have seen the hinge marking tool but I never got around to buying any, I don't do all that many, even when I did a lot of finish carpentry. I use to work in a custom door store and I had routers set up to cut hinges. it was fast and easy. honestly I could build set of door jambs in less 15 minutes. The only time I had to do it by hand is when I had to build something that was a one off. like the time i built a custom door frame for a wine cellar. The door was 6'2" tall and 2.25" thick. even commercial doors are not that thick. The hinges were extra large as you might imagine. I think they came off a tug boat or something. I cut them by hand with my favorite chisel. It took it a long time but it works great. having the simple router plane would have saved me a ton of time. I think if it was me, I would have used the hinge tool and then with a sharp knife back cut along the grain, so that my chisel does not slip and cut beyond the marked out area. It is amazing how slowing down a little produces a better job.

I think it would be awesome to see a video on the Stanley 444 as well as the 97/96. I absolutely love seeing your unique planes videos!

Bucket list tool

Thanks again for another great video! I just put in 6 antique doors in a newer house, I used stanley sweetheart hinges. I would have enjoyed using one of those planes. I wound up marking and using a chisel. Now I'm on ebay hahaha. Keep the videos coming!!!

WOW! I learned so much from this video. I didn't even know that this plane existed. Thanks for the education!!!!

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

Thanks man. you are too kind. You should come hang out at an MWTCA national event some time.

Never saw a 171. Thanks for sharing. I install so few hinges that I just use a chisel. Maybe if I were in a trade I would have felt differently about this.

Hi. Thanks for the excellent video. I only use my 711/2 and a chisel to do hinges.

I've never seen one of those, James. 😬 Pretty curious tool indeed! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

That was a fun little history lesson. I enjoyed this video.

I wonder with the flip capability if you could use it with a narrow blade to make stop dat grooves for drawer bottoms.

I suppose they used it to make the Mortices for Stone Henge?

Cool Tool..

Such an awesome look into history, the innovation of our forefathers is just so amazing. Thanks James for another great video

Very interesting video. I was not aware of this plane. I would not have a use for the plane, but happy to know it exists and how it works. Thanks. Dave.

Thanks.

Loving these forgotten tools vids!

I've only seen one and I didn't know what it was should've bought it anyways

would be kinda handy. Ive been building my own frames for doors and windows. but probably won't bring it out on a jobsite but in the shop it would be nice.

Esta ferramenta é bem curiosa.. Não conhecia.

My home’s front door got replaced at some point in time before I moved in, but the jam didn’t get replaced. So the dead bolt didn’t line up. When I changed the door knob, I had to adjust the spacing a bit, and I just used my Narex Richters to get the job done.

Even if it isn't super useful, it is still cool to have on the shelf!!

Great commentary

The modern hinge has 5/16 radii on the corners, because the Porter Cable router hinge jig was designed to work with 5/8 router bit, and in the post war housing boom, the Porter Cable jigs were the dominant force on the market, which all others copied.

I have a 171 without a fence that I use as my router plane. Very nice tool, but the handles are a little fragile. I need to rebuild one of them.

That was really interesting. The value of market research eh?

When you're in a jamb use an expensive plane. That's a door able!

Awesome

Nice.

Don't have either. I use a router plane for all hinges. If I thought guides were necessary, for repeated unskilled use, I'd attach 2 wooden base plates extended forward either side of the blade. But router +"hold n pivot this side, push that side" should do. Otherwise I'd hand a pair of wooden rebate planes and say go to town in both directions.

I think these tools are quite interesting. But I do so few hinges that I haven't bought any hinge specific tools. I still use my 3/4 inch chisel and a mallet when I do the odd hinge. (Of course a smaller chisel if doing a small lidded box or the like.)

I do my hinges with a version of the Paul Sellers 'poor mans rebate plane' (made it on my table saw, blasphemy I know). With such a plane, you can extend the blade quite far down to give you sort of a low-depth router. This works really well for the very few doors I do. I wouldn't be without a similar tool because this allows me to get three hinge mortises at the same depth. It's really interesting to see the 'real' old tools designed for this job!

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

Sounds a lot like the hinge butt mortise there's a reason that was the standard for almost 100 years. Far faster than a chisel and really useful.

@Bluecoldcaffe

Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo I did forget to mention that it functions almost exactly the same as the hinge butt mortise plane. The takeaway is that it's easy to make one yourself:)

Love the wood working history lessons James, keep learning again and again stuff I didn't have a clue about. Agree that this is a really well thought out tool. Just saw another channel had a mechanical drill press and now I really want one of them, so if you come across one, let me know 😀 Trying to get away from things needing power/electricity in my life, not only tools, but other stuff as well, preparing for the soon to come digital reset 😆

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

I've done a few videos on post drills. They were meant more for metalworking than for woodworking. But they are fun.

@lynxg4641

Жыл бұрын

Yup, I've seen those, but had never seen a manual drill press before, lot more practical use to me that a post drill.

@ricos1497

Жыл бұрын

@@lynxg4641 when you say mechanical drill press, what do you mean? Got any links to the one you mention? I have a post drill (with missing post!).

@lynxg4641

Жыл бұрын

@@ricos1497 Yup, not sure if YT will leave the link, but here it is. It's just basically a drill press, but you crank it by hand - pretty freakin cool IMHO. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lICFo6OzYbPcoJs.html

@ricos1497

Жыл бұрын

@@lynxg4641 much appreciated, thanks. I think I misunderstood your original post, my apologies. I have a hand cranked drill press, but it's different to that one. It has a larger wheel, but by-in-large works in the same fashion. It needs a new post and some TLC, but otherwise it works. You can pick them up reasonably inexpensively in the UK but they'll usually need some repair work. Haven't seen one like that in the video though, it looks a bit better than mine. I think mine is early 1900s, not completely sure. The model in the link you posted looks later than that I'm guessing.

This is definitely not a plane that I would spend money on as a beginner, even though it is pretty cool 😅

Ahh yes, one of these hand tools that have the setup time of a power tool.

Interesting.

Hinges are still square cornered here in the UK. I'll look out for those markers.

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

You can still buy Square hinges for doors here. But almost all of the prehung doors come with rounded hinges so that the routers can cut them out faster.

@ricos1497

Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo pre-hung in the UK are very often rounded these days too. I've got a house full!

I just do it with my router plane. The 271 is very useful for that, and cheap. Never tried the butt mortise plane though.

What is the number of the original hinge butt mortiser you have? It looks a little like a Stanley #40 ish, but not quite. Keep up the great content!

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

That was not made by Stanley. I don't know if Stanley ever made one so I don't know if it has a number.

cool tool

Hey James, I’m restoring one now. What size is screw that holds the cutter? Appreciate your help. Great video

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately I do not own this plane. It was on loan from a friend. So I can't measure it for you. Sorry

@nickdarbenzio1681

Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo thanks for getting back though

I may be wrong but the “Stanley hinge butt mortiser” @ 1:05 was a Dormeyer design. I don’t think Stanley ever made one. What say you?

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Ай бұрын

You are correct. It was a slip of the toung

Ah, I'm sure there is a valuable lesson in there for mechanical, electrical and software engineers... If only I could see through all the bells and whistles and figure it out 😉

Pretty damn cool!

What size gouge was it you used for the rounded corner? I mess with doors a lot and have been wondering what size gouge would match the typical hinges that are used today

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

I just grabbed a random gouge for this. I would grab the henge and match it to the gouge of it were in a real door.

Is that the original pushmepullyou? Very cool.

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

no that is a toung and groove plane!

@ianpearse4480

Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo LOL.

6:50 can you file the gaps wider?

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

You probably could.

I think most people paid to fit doors would have jus used a chisel for that job, much quicker than any plane. I'd use a chisel for most hinges, if it was a hinge on a small box I would usually finish it with a small router after I wasted it with a chisel...... I find small things require more accuracy so that's why I'd use a router on the smaller ones.

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

That's why the simple hinge butt mortar sir is so useful. It's just as fast as a chisel but in the end it's a router plane so you get the fine finish from that as well.

Back in the day?

@arboristBlairGlenn

Жыл бұрын

Learned a new tool, thanks. Good video

What was the Stanley number of the Stanley Hinge Butt Mortiser? Anyone?

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

that one does not has a number. it was an odd one as it was made in the Stanley factory but designed by and sold by W. A. Dohmeyer. LN now makes one. www.lie-nielsen.com/products/butt-mortise-plane

@madscientist5969

Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo Thank you!

I love planes that do one job well...but I think I would take a hard pass on this one. Id end up putting it aside and grab a chisel and a marking gauge. I feel like it would just be a lot faster in the long run

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

There's a reason that most finished carpenters just used a hinge butt mortiser. Even faster than a chisel and far easier than 171 to set up.

@timothymallon

Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo I should have said, I would pass on the 171. The hinge butt mortiser does work well.

That last sound wasn't a whistle, it was a horn.

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Thanks.

@What_Other_Hobbies

Жыл бұрын

He is pinching that horn tho.

One on UK ebay @ £395

idk, I'd imagine that the old carpenters would just walk the chisel & just clean it up with a larger one?...

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

most would use a hinge morticer (the smaller one I showed) it is even faster then a chisel.

@VertexCarver

Жыл бұрын

No doubt. I'm just brought back to my grandpa grumbling about there not being a need to carry a lot of tools. He was a very practical man, I'd even call him minimalist by today's standards funnily enough. Edit: Forgot to mention I really enjoy the channel. Keep up the good work! ^^

interesting tool, but you're right, it looks like a lot of faffing about to set it up

These tools are very nice .but for someone who enters the woodworking u have to pass time with them in order to learn their functionality .

Comment 171

It's a Dr DoLittle PushMePullYou plane

According to my wife...I finally found a tool more useless than me......

Just do it the simple way. Get a mallet and a chisel done. No speciality tools necessary

@WoodByWrightHowTo

Жыл бұрын

That is usually my preferred method