As a young lad, I rooted so hard for Orndorf and Piper during their heat with Hogan. Orndorf was such a great talent!!

Rip paul orndorff.....legend

I think Luger had a better career after coming back to WCW in 1995 than Vader did in WWF 96-98.

@kevinwilkins7524

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Rose of course he did

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

Vader had terrible booking in WWE and Shawn threw a fit about him Luger had everything and still couldnt get all the way over

@Mike-ky9jz

4 жыл бұрын

I would agree...Luger was over big time through '97 and '98.

@RocketRic14

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynicallyObnoxious Shawn had an issue with Vader because Vader was too stiff and kept hitting him hard, so Shawn warned him if he hurt him, he'd be fired, which would've happened, so Shawn having that fit basically saved Vader's job. If he did hurt Vince's start, he would've been fired.

@dustin6528

2 жыл бұрын

Without a doubt

There is no way anyone in retrospect thinks Vader did more for WWE than Luger did for WCW. That's an insane take Conrad.

@scraptonking3092

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that’s dumb

@Matt-cr4vv

Жыл бұрын

The way Conrad says it almost sounds like who was perceived to have gotten the better trade at the time it happened. And at the time it happened it would’ve been a better seen get for WWF. With the way it worked out I don’t think anybody could make a genuine case that Vader did more for WWF than Luger did for WCW. So I think he meant at the time here.

@scraptonking3092

Жыл бұрын

@@Matt-cr4vv that’s fair

@mikewiley7529

10 ай бұрын

Conrad is so horrible, fucks up so many segments trying to be dramatic. Also it fucks up so many segments when he starts with " Meltzer rated this" or "Keller said that". He's horrible as a host. Can't hold a candle to the great Brian Last

@Berniegurslow

8 ай бұрын

True and it’s not even close 😂

WWF wasted Vader, he was more badass in WCW.

@SlicRic81

5 жыл бұрын

Blame Shawn Michaels for his POWER PLAY... he was just ANOTHER VICTIM of The Kliq's backstage political bullshit

@MrSmitty1074

5 жыл бұрын

SM is a male bitch!

@imdikonps4396

4 жыл бұрын

Problem with Vader had to do with timing and yes they could have made money that year off of Vader just switch Vader with Psycho Sid meaning at Summerslam Shawn brats Sid then one month latter Vader beats Shawn for the title a month later beats Bret Hart successfully defend against Bret Hart now we do fancy booking cause Razor and Diesel are leaving at beginning of year so at the Rumble Vader beats Razor then At in your house Vader beats diesel so Vader is Probibly hot by mania and he can either drop it to taker like Sid or HBK it would have also had made Kane hot because he wluld have beaten Vader coming in the following year

@JH-ki9xb

3 жыл бұрын

Apparently not an old hurt man whipped that ass

@CP-kb1du

3 жыл бұрын

Leon was stinky dangerous fat slob

I’m a Vader fan, but I’ve heard about 10 different accounts of this story and they’re all pretty similar to this, saying Orndorff kicked his ass.

@tonymctony4551

2 жыл бұрын

Vader let him, then felt ashamed and called orndorff to come out of his dressing room, haku told vader that's enough, haku himself said vader would have severely hurt orndorf if vader wanted

Paul was no pushover and neither was Vader. I'm glad Tony has told the right version on what happened. There's alot of differnt stories out there on what happened.

Jesus, who was in WCW during this time that DIDN'T see this fight?

@pikkon899

6 жыл бұрын

Hehe! Not only that but everyone who was interviewed about this unanimously sided with Orndorff and agreed that he beat up Vader that day. I guess Vader wasn't well liked during that time period. The only one who tells a different account or ending to the story, I should say, is Vader.

@tylerxxyz8621

6 жыл бұрын

A very young John Cena... but nobody could see him too

@keepmycommandmentsandlive1607

5 жыл бұрын

The ring truck driver, the camera man, the hot dog vendor, the popcorn guy, the ticket taker

@LoganSewell83

5 жыл бұрын

WWF Champion Diesel allegedly saw the fight.

@johnrevene3053

3 жыл бұрын

Kevin Nash

“He got his ass kicked that day. Paul Orndoff beat the shit out of him that day. And it’s a moment I’ll never forget.” HAHAH awesome

Schiavone's version lines up with Orndorff's...but there's so many different retellings that it's hard to say. As a fan Orndorff, I'd like for his story to be true that he kicked Vader's ass with at 46 and a bad arm. Too bad they didn't do Hogan and Orndorff on the first Nitro. That would have been a great match. I love Orndorff's late-95 run. Him getting the new theme and coming out with a mirror fit so well, plus they were booking him wrong. It's too bad he had to retire.

@Nostalgicguy2242

Жыл бұрын

No matter how much you insist on how it was ridiculous of a 46 year "old man" to whip a 450 pound monster.. The truth is that there were very few 26 year olds out there who could take on Paul in a real actual fight and don't come out crying for their mommas..

@lacuna17

11 ай бұрын

Vader was 40 at that time so he wasn't exactly a youngster either.

I heard Paul had a 115 degree fever when he knocked out Vader .

@edwardfarnsworth5915

20 күн бұрын

And had a hangnail

Luger was WCW'S top baby face against the NWO and a WCW champ. What did Vader do in WWF? How was this a better deal for WWF?

@oldudeDMV

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@BlackAdder1970

3 жыл бұрын

WWF loves to bury WCW top talent.

@tnawcwvictoria

3 жыл бұрын

@@BlackAdder1970 Exactly, Scott Steiner, Booker T., Kevin Nash, GOLDBERG and STING, they were all buried by 1 man and that is Triple H

@DamnitBobbeh2399

2 жыл бұрын

If you think Luger was in any way better than Vader you're silly

@pikkon899

2 жыл бұрын

Vader came in strong in the beginning of his WWF run. He was great in the 96 Royal Rumble and he put Monsoon in the hospital - which was a big deal at the time as no one had ever touched Gorilla prior or since. Vader had massive heat for that. The rest of his career wasn't great but early on, he was a monster heel. I swear, people seem to forget how much heat Vader had for putting Monsoon in the hospital. People today make it seem as if Vader came in with 0 heat and was buried from the start when that simply isn't true.

Schiavone doesn't strike me as a bullshitter .. Orndorff was a tough street fighter from Tampa.. I'm from Tampa, and Paul is a little older than me. I can tell you there was a lot of street tough white boys in Tampa back in the 70's and 80's who would fight for money (fight club style) … Orndorff made a name for himself doing that. He was a tough, strong dude with super quick hands. Vader was big and strong, but if Paul got him on the ground, it was over....

@brandenleonard1711

5 жыл бұрын

Tony is DEFINITELY not a bullshitter. If you listen to his podcast he always lets everyone know when he really doesn’t know something or is unsure.

@keysersoze540

5 жыл бұрын

Hulk Hogan has said this in pulbic that Paul Orndorff was a street brawler from Tampa and Brandon . I believe this 100%

@ironwillprepper5804

5 жыл бұрын

Have you hears vaders side of the story?

@ironwillprepper5804

5 жыл бұрын

According to vader paul did hit him but vader slapped or punched him the interview is on KZread

@blake7871

5 жыл бұрын

Lorenzo action gaming I’ve seen that, but EVERY other witness says otherwise.

Tony is one of the few if only legit sincere person in this business. Tells it like it is. Remember when he arrived at TNA? Ripped Mike T.

@Kshep84

3 жыл бұрын

Mike tenny is awesome. He did sound a bit bored towards the end of his announcing run in tna tho. But I'd take tennay and don west over jr and taz in aew anyday.

@Nostalgicguy2242

Жыл бұрын

@@Kshep84 I'd take Tenay and Zbysco over JR and the king in the middle of the Monday Night war...

I worked on the production crew for WCW from 91 to 95 and all the TV tapings and PPVs Center Stage was a very small venue. Our lighting controller and audio mixing console was set up backstage near the dressing rooms. we heard the fight and looked down the hall to see all hell break loose! Tony is correct! he was RIGHT there! As for Vader, He was never cool to any of the production people or WCW staff. On the bright side , I did get to hang with great guys like Dustin Rhodes, Steve Austin, Mick Foley among others! And Ric Flair was as cool as can be! fun times! RIP Leon White! AKA Vader

@savagecatgt

Жыл бұрын

TY Scott, you should reach out to Conrad with some of your anecdotes. I'd love to hear them!

Vader was loud, in pain and a pain in the ass to deal with. Orndorff has anger management issues. He also bit off a part of Tony Atlas' ear. Combine the two and you get a bad situation.

@swmita

2 жыл бұрын

yeah and Tony Atlas cradled Orndorf and could have destroyed orndorff from there

@harrykadaras9459

Жыл бұрын

@@swmita you were there?

@swmita

Жыл бұрын

@@harrykadaras9459 I wasn't there in a lot of places, like the revolutionary war but I kind know what happened slick. That said this is already an old subject but I heard enough from a few sides and you could pretty much use logic at some point genius

@harrykadaras9459

Жыл бұрын

@@swmita you'd make a wonderful judge wouldn't you, "genius"

@harrykadaras9459

Жыл бұрын

@@swmita and for the record, genius, Jim said he too pain medication only for pain, not recreational...genius

Saw Orndorff at my HS in the early 80s with Andre and others. Paul was in the hallway before the event bouncing a pinkie ball. No one wanted to go over to him and ask for an autograph or just say hi as he looked like he wanted to rip someone's head off

God what a beast, Orndorff beating the bad ass that’s 100 pound heavier then him with one good arm. RIP Orndorff.

I find it funny that everyone that says they were right there has told this story 8 different ways with 8 different endings. Then you here this crap and it's even worse. People say Ondroff had boots one, he had shower shoes on, Paul beat him up. Find the Meng interview on this and Meng will tell you that Vader was about to kill Orndorff and he had to stop it. He would also tell you the same thing Vader told everyone 2 years ago that Orndorff got knocked out and he actually let Orndorff hit him. Vader is the man that had his eye popped out of the socket while said socket was completely shattered and still wrestled another 8 minutes with Stan Fucking Hansen.

@bradley8867

6 жыл бұрын

DraftGuru77 Twitter I agree, I think a lot of these wrestlers are full of crap, Orndorff didn't win, Vader story seems the most legit

@krob4549

6 жыл бұрын

for the record, i'm going with Meng's version...just cause.

@blake7871

6 жыл бұрын

DraftGuru77 Twitter Bullshit. EVERY video on here from witnesses says Orndorff kicked his ass. Of course Vader doesn't admit it. I wouldn't either.

@PatkaBoy831

5 жыл бұрын

Paul won. Meng is a work. He only took advantage of drunks in bars. Vader went to the grave having been made Paul and Shawn's bitch.

@Dont_Be_Afraid_0222

5 жыл бұрын

Way more people have confirmed that Paul beat the shit out of Vader, but you'll never believe the people who were actually there. You're a Vader groupie, just like several others who've commented here. ANYONE with common sense knows that a skilled wrestler can stretch a fat a$$ former football player ANY DAY of the week! Contrary to popular belief, bullies do get fucked up, on occasions. Vader was a WELL KNOWN bully, in the pro wrestling business. He finally fucked with the wrong guy, and got put in his place. Being 400+ LBS does not automatically give someone fighting skills. People seem to think Vader, who was made to look unstoppable in the ring (only with the assistance of the wrestlers who sold his moves), was Leon White's true persona. But outside of the ring, in a real fight, where no one's selling your moves, BIG VAN VADER got dropped & curb stomped by a wrestling AGENT! We're not talking about Orndorff in his prime, we're talking about a man with 1 good arm, wearing FLIP-FLOPS, kicking the ass of a man who thought he actually was the character he portrayed in the ring. Paul Orndorff - 1, Leon White - 0...but feel free to let your imagination run wild with whatever story keeps you in your comfort zone.

Everyone else says he was wearing shower shoes, including Sullivan.

@justinmartin1831

4 жыл бұрын

@KC Nash wasn't even in WCW at this time. This was 95. Nash didnt go to WCW until 96. He was just repeating what he heard and acted like he was there.

@travelreview5962

4 жыл бұрын

@@justinmartin1831 I did not realize this happened in 1995 but even prior to realizing that when I read your comment I felt like Kevin was lying about being there and most likely just repeating someone else's story. Anything to get over I guess... lol. But thanks for pointing that out.

@travelreview5962

4 жыл бұрын

Im actually inclined to believe Tony Schiavone because he is one of the only people who said Paul was not wearing shower shoes. Too many people, like Nash, who could not or likely were not there have said he was wearing flip flops and that leads me to believe they are just repeating what they've heard. Half of them are probably watching the same videos we are to get the story lol.

@travelreview5962

3 жыл бұрын

Man I'm sure you've been in some fights...I damn sure have, I've got a black eye right now lol. Anyways do you ever remember the specific type of shoes you were wearing in a fight 10+ years ago? I definitely don't, and I don't remember my opponents either. The shower shoe thing to me is more likely one person told the story and everyone else just repeated that story.

@Lobothemainman23

3 жыл бұрын

Vader said he wasn't. This story is an absolute clusterfuck with everyone having a different story.

Personally I am most inclined to believe Tony Shiavone's recollection of the events. He seems to be one of the most likely people to have actually been right there when it happened that doesn't have a bias concerning the outcome. Also, weirdly, his story is different enough from everyone else's that I find it more believable. A lot of the other stories feel to me like they are just repeating what they heard from someone else while saying "I was there" because maybe they were in the same building or worked at WCW and heard about it shortly after. My guess is that there's no more than 4-5 people alive who know what really happened and 90% of those people are more interested in jobbing someone out or getting someone else over than just telling the truth.

@josephpeeler5434

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Tony is a straight-shooter. He was also never a drinker or druggie, so his memory is good. It is telling that Bischoff trusted Tony's version of events.

RIP Vader

@Kenny-bj2zq

3 жыл бұрын

I call bull shit on this interview

I've heard Vader's side and I believe him. Orndorff's side just sounds too sugar coated to be believable.

ALL the witnesses to this fight were also spectators in Hershey, Pa. when Wilt scored !00 !

@angusthecat1689

3 жыл бұрын

WILT IS THE G.O.A.T.

@HypnoManNation

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@adambomb5381

2 жыл бұрын

Lol

Luger going to WCW was the better "trade" than Vader going to the then WWF in my opinion especially if you look back bc Luger was with WCW til the end and Vader didn't last too long in WWF.

I listened to B. Brian Blair once tell a story about Orndorff beating the shit out of 7 cops; 4 of which he sent to the hospital. B. Brian Blair also says that Paul and Haku are two of the toughest bad asses in the business and you wouldn't want to fuck with either of them.

@chrisakacwill

Жыл бұрын

Rick Rude was another

Maybe at the time you could look at this roundabout "trade" and say that WWF got the better side by getting Vader. After the fact though, I don't know how anyone can argue that WCW got the better end with Luger. Vader had one big push when he first joined WWF, then had flamed out in less than a year and floundered for a bit further. Luger was a staple of the upper mid-card and had plenty of stints in the main event scene for 4+ years. I'd rather have Vader in a vacuum, but Luger's run in WCW was vastly superior to Vader's WWF run.

Luger was the way better trade off. Minimal pay longevity as main event talent.

@DamnitBobbeh2399

2 жыл бұрын

Minimal pay my ass 😂

Orndorff was sick an older, Vader was huge and strong. Reality says Vader let him have it and didn’t want to hurt a sick, weak person in management.

The bigger question is what kind of man looks at another man's shoes? Unless he's wearing pink fluffy slippers or something, nobody would really notice.

“And then Orndorff allegedly knocks Vader out with a single punch from his bad arm.” Damn! There goes the monster image there Leon! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@georgejackson4426

Жыл бұрын

Mick Foley said Orndorff worked out with his bad arm until it was actually stronger than his good arm. I think he said this in Have a Nice Day.

Why did some people swear Orndorff was wearing flip flops, Schiavone says no. WTF.

Vader became a face around that time, and at the time Hogan rarely fought other faces. Yeah yeah yeah, he lost to Warrior at WM6. But it was still very rare that he fought other faces.

WWF would have gotten the better of the "trade" had Vader been used appropriately.

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

He was at the start then the real prima donna of the 90's Shawn threw a tantrum

@NodakSavage

4 жыл бұрын

CynicallyObnoxious yup, classic Shawn Burying someone out of fear that they take money from him. Shawn’s a piece of shit

@robertrodriguez787

4 жыл бұрын

@@CynicallyObnoxious What's with this crap about Shawn Michael's . This is about Vader and Paul this has nothing to do with Shawn Michael's

It's interesting that Vader himself absolutely, vehemently denied that this is what happened. He even swore on his kids' lives that it didn't go down like this. He was very believable in giving his side.

Hulk Orndorff was one of the best feuds ever.

Vader wasn't shy about trying to tear the head off every one he wrestled

I miss Tony. When I was a kid and we'd be playing with the action figures and we'd always commentate the toys and and for some reason I'd always be Tony and my friend would be Jr. Idk why but when we'd call the shots we were always those 2

@shoelesblondlady

6 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately half my toys are dead though. Bam bam Benoit hennig savage bulldog n others

@droopmountain6510

6 жыл бұрын

Did you completely ignore the action and talk about Hogan and Sting the whole time?

@jamesstoops1789

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome me too 👍

I think the moral of the story is. When you're in that 250+ pound bracket. It doesn't matter if you're 50 or more pounds heavier. A 250 pound dude who knows how to punch can put you down. Tyson was maybe 200 when he was champion in the 80's.

@ronniep9272

Жыл бұрын

Tyson was around 220lbs and mostly fought fighters the same. Weight as him in the 80s.

Lol the story is different every time

@mike7676ful

3 жыл бұрын

So I heard this a bunch as well, the only time I’ve heard it the same was actually Vader’s story. I don’t care who won in real life but Vader has one other person that at least backs his version up. Tony’s version is even better than Orndorffs.

@mysticbazuso36

3 жыл бұрын

@@mike7676ful That might be true, but aside from Vader and supposedly this other person (don't doubt you just don't know who you're referring to) everyone else says Paul knocked him down after Vader provoked him. I'm sure some of the shoot interviews are just made up for entertainment purposes (i.e, Nash saying he saw it) but it's hard to believe Vader was in the right when that many people contradict it.

@ronniemacdonald2768

2 жыл бұрын

Except Vader losing. That stays the same.

@ronniemacdonald2768

2 жыл бұрын

@@mike7676ful And Orndorff has about 100 people who back him up.

Paul Orndorff was always one of my favorites even in the Mid-south days when him and his brother Terry worked an angle

Vader got that ass stomped. Rip Mr Wonderful.

Theres 10 different versions of this. Im sure this account is pretty accurate; not sure why Schiavone would need to lie.

@CraigSmithII

3 жыл бұрын

Schiavone & Orndorff's accounts are accurate, everyone else's accounts of this story is hearsay

Jim Duggan said that Vader threw the first punch, causing Orndorff to spill his coffee. Duggan also said that if Orndorff had not been wearing shower shoes, that he would have beaten Vader much worse than he actually did. So there are conflicting accounts about the Vader vs. Ordorff backstage brawl. Both of these guys rubbed many other performers the wrong way.

Orndorff in interviews has said repeatedly he was wearing flip flops...he complained in an interview with jim cornette that he wished he had his boots on because kicking him in flip flops was hurting his foot...

There seemed to be about a thousand people who watched Orndorff vs Vader backstage.

Vader's got fuck up. Plain and simple. Vader is embarrassed he's lying. Shit happens. You win some you lose some.

Orndorff had a ham sandwich and Vader bit orndorffs hand.

Cracked me up when in the middle of a match Jimmy "the boogie man" valiant yells "Tony schiavato, the boogie man loves you jack"...

@Johnny.1965

2 жыл бұрын

Nwa wrestling from the wtbs studios. (1980's)

Out of all 3 men in this story, Vader, Lugar & Orndoff, Orndoff should've got the contract!

I've been to Center Stage, from what I remember it was a small venue, now that's from out where the fans sat, cause it was set up like a horse shoe the way the fans sat, with the ring at the bottom of the (pit) as it was called due to the way it was set up as an ampatheater. I don't know how you could not find someone the size of Vader back stage, unless that building was bigger than what us fans saw. But saw many great matches there they would do all the weekly shows right there in one night, doors would open up at 5pm and it was first come first serve to fill the seat's and it would run till 10-10:30pm. The Power Hour, WCW Saturday night, the NWA Main Event, and after each taping they'd change the banners on the sides of the ring to go with the show they were taping next. So you'd see the same group of fans for all the shows. It was great! The late 80's early 90's that was the place to be, for great wrestling with great story lines. I miss those days.

I wonder if the wrestlers during their (shoot interviews) ever call up each other and go yep the quote unquote work never ends..... some of them I feel like are more honest than not but there are some that these wrestlers just go above and beyond to keep the work going man it's awesome...

@momosupremacy8349

2 жыл бұрын

Brett, Shawn and Vince do I'm sure

Shower shoes makes it sound more humorous so that's my head canon.

There's 2 accounts where Vader got the better of Paul after getting up from the initial ass whoopin. Vader himself & Buff Bagwell... For whatever that's worth lol.

Mr Wonderful is tough to beat with his Shower shoes on

after listening to various accounts which differ wildly i get the sense that a lot of people disliked vader and are giving a version of what they wanted to happen as opposed to what really happened. and they all omit the continuation of the fight which also makes me suspect they are not being completely honest, as orndorff himself admits he caught a few shots from vader. it also makes be suspect when orndorff has a great amount of detail about the first altercation but is very vague and quiet about the second altercation. the truth is the fight started up again and everyone seems to be mysteriously silent about that.

@r0ckstar666

3 жыл бұрын

I believe Orndorff

@billphilips8522

3 жыл бұрын

@@r0ckstar666 you probably believe in the tooth fairy too.

@r0ckstar666

3 жыл бұрын

@@billphilips8522 no Orndorff is a bad azz. Dude can fight and does not mind fighting. When wrestling turns real Orndorff can hold his own and then some.

@billphilips8522

3 жыл бұрын

@@r0ckstar666 yeah, right, and bigfoot exists.

No way Vader was doing a shooting star press lmao! He probably meant the moonsault

@ryananderson4315

6 жыл бұрын

some flying celestial body.

@tylerxxyz8621

6 жыл бұрын

Vader did a Phoenix Splash and Inverted 450 in Japan. Meltzer reported it and gave it 5 stars. It must be true!!!

@santosjerez1586

6 жыл бұрын

Gutsault

@Rogue-bh4ds

5 жыл бұрын

Don't mistake losing a fight to Vader not being a Pure Atletic Man.

So Orndorff beat up Vader with a withered arm and all?

Who would ever say the WWF got the better of that? Vader was a bigger name, but they did nothing with him. Luger had the best run of his career after that.

RIP LEON " VADER" WHITE & PAUL " MR. WONDERFUL" ORNDORFF. LEGENDS OF THE SQUARED CIRCLE

💛 I would have Loved to see..💙

Tony needs to write a biography

“Get him off of me!!!” - Vader And Paul was just stomping the fuck out of him. Hahahahahahahah !!!! I don’t care if this is exactly how it happened or not, this is absolutely hilarious. I can just imagine everything Schiavone is saying and I can’t stop laughing. Just the way he tells it, it doesn’t even have to be 100% true. Awesome story.

@jasonmichael395

5 жыл бұрын

Think so

Now they are both gone. RIP

WCW got the better end of that trade and I'm a fan and I was watching back then

RIP Mr. Wonderful

This had more ads than it merited

Can Conrad find 5 adults who think the WWF got the better of that trade? Not that Vader was lacking but he never got close to being the guy he was in WCW while Luger making the jump was the shot in the arm Nitro needed as a brand new wrestling show. By the second Nitro, they had beaten Paul down too much as a singles for anyone to be interested in him vs Hogan. They should have planned him as Hogan's first foe after he beat Flair in 95. Paul still had a lot left and his injury wasn't as advanced. That would make a better Starrcade 95 main event than what they had with Beefcake.

By the way who's the interviewer?

Vader had an incident in Iraq also. Vince had to buy him out of jail.

@user-ui3pw1ys3k

4 жыл бұрын

*Kuwait

Shower shoes lol

@robbygaume600

6 жыл бұрын

I just watched a Kevin Nash interview where he called them "99 cent" shower shoes

@santosjerez1586

6 жыл бұрын

Bunny Shoes

@johnwilburn

6 жыл бұрын

If you use gym showers, you get why should wear them. Lot of nasty stuff on those wet, bacteria-ridden tile floors.

@steve19745

5 жыл бұрын

he had his boots on so they hire the guy to collect people for interviews wearing boots ! yea

@JH-ki9xb

3 жыл бұрын

I've been to prison... Shower shoes don't mean shit

wish i could like this twice so it could have been 1000

Conrad has no clue about anything... 😂mark

Every body said orndorff had flip flops on an I believe them cuz if you stomp somebody's head into the ground with boots on you would kill them as for Vader leaving an lex coming to wcw well Vader flop in wwe an luger had some awesome runs in wcw with savage sting an the Wolfe pack an he came dirt cheap so there you go wcw won on that trade

@LoganSewell83

6 жыл бұрын

Iron Sheik and Shockmaster were also there.

@AdamHauger

6 жыл бұрын

I don't think the skull has a preference as to what kind of shoe is caving it in. Force is force. The only thing the boot offers is a better chance at not fucking your own foot up too

@nicholasbrown4109

5 жыл бұрын

Adam, when you dont have to worry about fucking up your foot, you can hit something a lot harder. That's why wearing a boot makes a huge difference

@switchbuckle5th

5 жыл бұрын

I buy that he was wearing flip flops or something and wouldn't blame Tony if he just kind of missed that detail in the heat of the moment. Tony's version of it sounds like the best "big picture" objective view of the incident. The best summary but not necessarily clear on the finer details. Either way, I completely believe Tony's being as honest as his memory allows.

@sixxkiller4445

4 жыл бұрын

No flip flops

Say what you want ... this announcer Toni shamanic seems more honest than most .... and orndorff ... I wouldn’t mess with him ...

How can anyone listen to Conrad?

Damn Vadrer got Curbed stopped

Everyone would DEFINITELY not disagree with the statement that WCW got the better of the trade. WWE should have got the better of the year, Vader was a bigger draw. However, when you look at both of their careers over the next few years it's clear Lex Luger had a longer and better run with how he was used/pushed. Shit Vader was steadily injured in the WWE.

Vader was a bully which usually means a fake tough guy.

The only consistencies with all the eye witness accounts I've heard of the Vader and Orndorf fight is that Orndoff won and that he was stomping the shit out of Vader's head. That's it. Everything else is fuzzy. And also one thing is for certain, I haven't heard a single account that lines up with what Vader said happened himself. So I call bullshit on his story. He clearly got his ass kicked.

@CynicallyObnoxious

4 жыл бұрын

yea and what would have happened if Vader really fought back back then when Pauls arm was withered and crippled?

@tomtanaka841

4 жыл бұрын

Paul won only because Vader didn't fight back you stupid fuck!

@blake7871

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomtanaka841 You act like you were there fucking mark.

Rest in peace Mr ondorf

Orndorff kicked everybody's ass.... dangerous man....Ventura quote 1985

Kevin Nash said he was there too lol

@blake7871

4 жыл бұрын

Nash is a pathological liar.

@richardlyoung4032

3 жыл бұрын

Probably lol

I believe everyone's hatred of Vader and their stories changing....Has me to believe Vader's story! Not sayin Vader was a bad ass... But Paul's hand was banged up and he wasn't the same Mr Wonderful weight and health wise

@ronniemacdonald2768

2 жыл бұрын

So a dozen guys say Vader got his head kicked in and you don't believe it? If they're all lying cos they hate Vader then doesn't that tell its own story about what a dick Vader was?

Lex Luger after returning to WCW was one of their top guys for years......Vader is considered a wwf bust

vader kicked his ass orndorff was sick had a crippled arm he couldn’t hurt vader

RIP Leon

Vader was a serial liar. Tubby lug lied about playing in the Super Bowl for the Rams versus the Steelers. Vader never played a single regular-season or post-season game for any NFL team.

@chadk890

4 жыл бұрын

How do you know that?🤔

@chrischar9428

2 жыл бұрын

@@chadk890 you dont

Sullivan and many others said orndorf was in shower shoes. I don’t believe Tonya recollection because many more people say shower shoes than not.

Y’all get this story right Paul had been in the bathtub with his scuba Steve gear Vader came in called Paul a sissy Paul got out karate kicked him with his flipper then Chris Jericho came in put tony in a front face lock while the sheik was snorting coke while standing on his head and then sheik put Chris Jericho in the camel clutch and made him humble

Orndorff's finger is fucking huge

lol @ Conrad saying Vader tried a shooting star press. it was a MOONSAULT Conrad... a MOONSAULT

@chrischar9428

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't know shit

Paul ordorff went with rumor and said that he had on flip flops and it was in the locker room.

I guess he really is Mr. Wonderful.

Mr wonderful has old man strength

Seems that they had this fight when everybody of the wcw was watching.

@travelreview5962

4 жыл бұрын

Hell Kevin Nash was still in the WWF at this time so it seems like everyone from every large wrestling company was in the hallway they fought in 30 years ago!

I'd say WCW gained with Lex Luger, as opposed to WWF gaining with Vader. Lex Luger defeated Hulk Hogan by submission for the Big Gold Belt, and he lasted the whole Monday Night Wars in WCW (1995-2001); meanwhile Vader didn't win any championships in WWF, seemed weaker and only lasted 2 years, 1996-1998. WCW got the better deal, imo.

I agree with Tony. Luger in WCW is better than Vader in WWF. Luger was more comfortable, fit better and was part of the main event scene til WCW folded. Luger received one of the few clean wins over Hogan in Aug '97. Vader in WWF should've been a bigger deal, but politics neutered him in the WWF. Find anything me a clip of Luger doing something worse in WCW than when Vader says "I'm a big fat piece of shit" and I'll consider rethinking Vader's value in WWF.

Conrad sounds like Cartman

I know memory isn't perfect, not mine or anyone else's. However, typically when people are recalling events in other industries if you get a few people who were legitimately present for the event you can get a pretty damn good idea of what happened, but in there wrestling business? Shit all of WWE/WCW/ECW/TNA/AEW/AWA/OVW/NXT and New Japan could have seen in first hand and the shit could be on video and still no two stories will match up and most will be completely different. Pisses me off lol. There's almost nothing about this story that is clear, Vader won, Paul won, flip flops, boots, late, not late, Vader fired over it, Vader not fired over it, etc, etc. The only God damn thing that is for sure is that Vader hit Paul first.