Vince being taken out of power was the worst thing that could have happened to AEW.

@ScarFeiss

2 ай бұрын

But the irony is wrestling fans only supported aew because they wanted that to happen. He wouldn’t step down willingly but another way happened now this joke company is exposed as a the end result of a troll by fans lmao

@AlainKing787

2 ай бұрын

AEW was never competition even if Vince was deh or not

@WarGhoulKharas

2 ай бұрын

People also forget that Kevin Dunn retiring was also a big benefit.

@shanefoy3720

2 ай бұрын

Do you remember when he was boasting and all happy vince was gone, tony saying he's the only main booker and best booker of the year award, when hunter has seen and done it all in the business, say what you want about vince, hunter couldn't of found a better tree to sit under and learn from the vince mcmahon tree of success, where tony has dave fckin meltzer tree of woe and bullshit 🙄🙄🤣🤣

@shanefoy3720

Ай бұрын

@@WarGhoulKharas he retired before he got pushed , he had no choice in the matter, so in return for his long service, wwe let him walk away lol

"Tony Khan invites harsh critique." Boy did THAT change over the years.

@artvandelayRFC

2 ай бұрын

He's got clowns like Edge cutting damage control promos and Dax fighting everyone on Twitter in defence of him. Dax liking tweets shitting on Cody and others. The cult of Khan.

@ShockerTopper

Ай бұрын

Yep, the fanboys were all up on his jock for the first few years and legitimately thought a person with no experience in the industry could somehow compete with a juggernaut like WWE. The “advisors” he has had that are wrestlers show that they could never run a wrestling company because they have too many cooks in the kitchen.

Man, it has been such an awesome experience to see this go from words on paper and witness the evolution into video. Powerful words by Joe and visually impactful by Mish. More of this please guys! I think you all just hit a new turn here with content like this. I wish you all would've been able to add the disaster that went down over the weekend with Khan. Would've been even more icing on the cake. You all gotta do a sequel to this with that one.

People are so easily guilt tripped into supporting an awful promotion with lines like ‘we need an altertive’ and ‘wrestlers need more places to work’. I agree with both, but we don’t need AEW to be that alternative. AEW is poisoning the well so badly that broadcasters and networks are at risk of being put off wrestling for life. AEW existing is killing hopes for another better secondary promotion or tertiary promotions to come along and create more places for wrestlers to work in the future. It's a parody and a black mark on the industry and we don’t have to support it just because it’s an alterntive.

@jesuszamora6949

2 ай бұрын

That and AEW has picked NJPW and many indies clean. They've cemented in the minds of millions that only WWE knows what they're doing, and that's far worse than AEW not existing.

One critique: The AEW wrestlers with no hope of seeing a WWE paycheck aren’t using a microwave around top chefs. They’d use an E-Z Bake oven without reading the directions.

@northleedspoppa

Ай бұрын

Insult to kids too I know my ten year old would smash in a few Chigaco towns but by day 3 she would ask how to do a lasagna 😂

During the production of this video… “I don’t available…” - Joey Numbas

@joen6894

2 ай бұрын

“Charlettt use da Aye Eye”

Mercedes Mone isn't even medically cleared to compete or train, apparently 💀

@jamescopping2231

2 ай бұрын

So it's like Saraya all over again 🙄 😂

I feel bad for the veterans who were brought in to work with the young guys who weren't interested in the slightest in listening to the vets.

Watching this alone in the dark and I'm unreasonably afraid that TK is gonna pop out and babadook my ass

I stop caring about aew when wardlow was struggling to beat Cassidy 😂😂😂

@jamiejones3253

2 ай бұрын

My reason for not caring also involves Wardlow. My breaking point was when he beat MJF. He was probably the hottest wrestler in the United States at that point. How 19:04 do they capitalize on it? By basically having him in a program with security guards. 😂 At that point, I knew TK had no idea of what he was doing.

@jamescopping2231

2 ай бұрын

Right?? It's like booking a powerhouse like Goldberg as an unstoppable force with an undefeated win streak... but then when he takes time off and comes back, you have him lose against cruiserweights. 😂 🤡

@Hush_Money2

2 ай бұрын

@dola88 the fact that TK books Orange Cassidy like a superman for these big men is hilarious. OC doesn't sell at all. He gets up after he gets powered by Wardlow. He gets up after he gets squashed. Without selling. But yet OC gets knocked out by little Trent. This guy actually sell for Trent. He lays there as if a huge Rhinoceros ran him over. Tony's problem is he pushes his friends. Cause he is a man child playing with his live action figures.

@scottsal66

Ай бұрын

Yes, but Tony Kahn has more money than you or your family or your families family will EVER see. So he can do whatever he wants a d really don't give a crap about anything negative you or anyone says.

@jamescopping2231

Ай бұрын

@@scottsal66 Comments like this don't help anyone. AEW is going down the shitter, and rather than actually listening to feedback and improving the brand to stop it dying, Tony Kahn just gets enabled further by rapid fanboys telling him "everything is already fine" because theyll defend A-E-DUB brand loyalty like Kahn is paying them overtime.

Pays WWE midcarders millions of dollars to be his friend. Super cooool dude.

@Hunkzilla

Ай бұрын

Nailed it

I'm just glad they didn't put Punker off wrestling again

This 'Rise and Fall of AEW" doc is pretty good.

@ShockerTopper

Ай бұрын

Agreed. What a quick descent this company had. They talked too big of talk in the beginning with promises they never would fulfill. They’re the perfect example of what would happen if fans actually had the money to put together a company…over promising and under delivering.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

you got problems no rise and fall

@JuggyBohab

Ай бұрын

@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780 You're right...then never really had a rise to begin with.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

@@JuggyBohab you wish they had a massive rise sold out Wembley last year and will again learn to read sentences

@JuggyBohab

Ай бұрын

@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780 The sold tickets and actual attendance make 'selling out Wembley' kinda sus...and last I checked the sales for Wembley this year ain't good.

This is like a true crime documentary. I love it! 😂

"teams sometimes draft players that don't live up to expectations." Yeah, the Jaguars.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

LOL

@jesuszamora6949

2 ай бұрын

Better example would be the Commanders (Redskins), I feel...

I stopped supporting them the minute khan claimed he was better than Crockett during an earlier scrum. I've been excited to see aews collapse ever since. Only wrestling company I've seen with unlimited access and funding, yet still put on trashy shows and every star I see there from elsewhere is less than (minus Toni Storm, the anomoly.) what they were on their TV. It's pathetic. He's got unlimited funds and still can't make a profit. That speaks volumes. Love the common sense logic of your posts. Thanks for keeping the business the business in a realistic light. Appreciate that.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

Funny enough, that's one of the clips that was left in the "extended version" of this docu/article. It's amazing how tone deaf and entitled that speech was.

@joshx022

2 ай бұрын

​@@WRESTLINGSOUP2010absolutely.

Y'all outdid yourselves with this one. Numbas is an amazing narrator. More of these, please!

This was fantastic. Great essay Joe and fantastic editing Mish. Assuming I have the roles correct?

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

Correct! And thank you

The thing that really worries me about Tony's arrogance is that there may be some really bad long term consequences. There have been far too many incidents of wrestlers being hurt in the ring and the refs not taking proper care of them, and it's not new. It started with the person seemingly being knocked out in the tag match, then the multiple head shots of Matt Hardy, a female wrestler having to crawl out of the ring during a match, the Moxley double piledriver debacle... People will get hurt during a match from time to time, but the fact that the refs and other workers continually react in the wrong way should have been addressed by now. Khan just won't listen to any criticism, and can't admit being wrong, and mostly it's comical like his delusion over the audited Wembley attendance numbers (despite also owning a stadium in the UK), but the risks to safety bug me. I wish I could be confident that people like Paige who weren't cleared to work in the WWE are actually safe to take bumps, but I have doubts. The other thing that I thought of while typing this was the 'sparklers of death' match. Did they bother actually testing that set up? If so, why didn't they book around the pyro being rubbish? If not, what would have happened if the pyro had been overdone?...

This is an amazing analysis of Tony Khan and AEW's biggest problems.

Needs another hour.

Excellent commentary. It's refreshing to get opinion backed by reality. The spin, gaslighting, revisionism and intellectual dishonesty from so called journalists is not only insulting it's destructive to pro wrestling.

Professionally done better than the AEW production team.

If the biggest compliment a wrestling promoter can get is that they’re nice and provide jobs, then they’re not a good promoter. None of his talent ever compliment his booking or leadership skills, and that’s very telling. Btw, the editing was 🔥. Hope you guys make more video essays. This was excellent.

Bruv i was listening like damn they got an AI Kevin castle to narrate the video? That's wild. Then i see its wrestlingsoup's channel 😂😂😂

I'll be shocked if AEW is around in 5 years.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

Incredibly generous to say 3.

@zolofttube4840

2 ай бұрын

I wouldn't be. They'll be around. Tony has enough money to spend. Maybe it's just a tax write-off for Shad and all. But it won't be better at this rate. It'll probably keep sinking and sinking further and further, and that's a shame.

@jeremyjoestar3767

2 ай бұрын

"as long as tony still puts money into the company,aew will still be around"-cm punk

@jesuszamora6949

2 ай бұрын

More accurate to say "I'd be shocked if AEW was still on a major network in five years." I can totally see Tony putting AEW on Pluto TV or some Honor Club-style paysite when WB inevitably drops this steaming turd from their lineup.

What an informative, funny video. I hope AEW doesn't take this video down.

@jamescopping2231

2 ай бұрын

But what if it made Tony Kahn fear for his life? 😅

This was well thought out & produced & Joey was STILL hilarious even when playing it straight🤣

wooooow i havent checked out this channel in a few years to be honest and this was really good and brutally honest. sub earned.

Love seeing the more intricate side of Joey. Dont get me wrong, ill always love the comedy side and just the silly stuff, but this video is proof positive why I follow, respect, and fuck with Wrestling Soup.

This is a great video man very well written and spoken, even the outline at the start , maybe a different title? AEW and Tony Khan - A Sports Team Retrospective

I'm with AEWful wrestling who is writing the book about AEW's downfall in real time. I saw through TK's bullshit from day 1 and never gave it a chance. The longer TK is running AEW the more obvious it becomes clear he's nothing but a fanboy running his own fantasy booking.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

5 күн бұрын

bullshit

What's the problem? Everything is great!!! They're having fun. Who cares about insignificant stuff like ratings? Ticket sales? Getting your boss to stop sticking daddy's money up his nose? It's all fun wrestling stuff, guys.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

agreed wrestling fans for ya

Awesome work Joey. Would love more of this.

It's between Wrestling Soup and Tooney Town Wrestling for who is the best wrestling podcasts imo

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

You're going to love the next step Tooney Talk and Wrestling Soup take

@adamlipinski8887

2 ай бұрын

@@WRESTLINGSOUP2010 I 100% can't wait for it, both of your channels keep this wrestling fan of 40+ years from thinking I'm nuts for wanting and expecting actual GOOD wrestling from the top 2 companies.

@joekuvorkian

2 ай бұрын

Also peep The Lapsed Fan

@adamlipinski8887

2 ай бұрын

@@joekuvorkian thank you for the suggestion, i'll look it up

@ultraman5168

2 ай бұрын

Sorry, it's all Corny's sideshow.

Awesome, great work!

Oooo a video essay? Noice Gonna dig in to this.

Man, this JoeNumbas AI is perfect. It almost sounds real. Lol

He just wants to be a big shot and these “wrestlers” are all too eager to take advantage of him.

Should there be an alternative to WWE with AEW? Absolutely! But that’s not the underlying issue that most everyone sees except the diehard AEW marks: Tony Khan simply isn’t qualified to run AEW and he seems to have some serious mental health issues. He can’t stop attacking WWE while not paying attention to his own shows and the lack of any semblance of a consistent story. He often lashes out against critics of AEW who are making valid claims about dumb things and mistakes they’re making. He quite often does very odd things for a grown man running a business to be doing: hugging grown ass men like the overly horny prom date, making weird appearances on tv doing such idiotic things as hugging a downed Sting on the mat after he got beat down, and generally being oblivious to how he is universally viewed by professionals in the business and the average fans alike. These things paint a very clear picture of a man who isn’t mature for his age and cannot successfully run a business. That’s not even addressing the numerous professional issues that have stemmed from Tony not behaving as a boss. He acts like he’s just running the shows but never steps up to keep AEW in check as the actual boss. Despite having numerous legend around who all have better minds for pro wrestling, Tony never seeks their council to improve his company because he’s unwilling to admit the obvious problems in AEW everyone else but he can see. All of this is merely scratching the surface but it’s enough to explain why AEW under Khan will never work and I’d be shocked if AEW lasts another year or two before it completely implodes.

There’s something nostalgic about that old 320 90’s resolution 6:29

I love this true crime style of videos by you guys , truly showing your craftsmanship and intelligence

Not sure if Tony Khan or David Schwimmer. "Heeeeey."

Dam wrestle soups:presents darkside of ring.. Aew!

This was simply.... GREAT

Used to be a fan of Aew until all the punk stuff happened & exposed the immature & toxic nature behind the scenes there, now I just want to see them fail cause they don’t deserve success, TK just seems to make his company a joke just from him just walking around at this point, love this video & the channel, I can’t wait to see more vids like this! 👍

Concerning Mercedes ,Tony would have been better served by just building up new and younger female talents from the ground up.

This is a great video essay.

Tony Khan: Dork Side Of The Ring

Great video, well said

If AEW were a soccer team, they'd be Everton

This was excellent, Well done! IMO Cody leaving was the beginning of the end for the company but the downward spiral really kicked in to high gear when Tony fired Punk. Funny how the AEW diehards and Punk haters were making it like he was 100% the problem but since he left, things have gotten steadily worse both in and out of the ring. I can just imagine Punk, Cody, and Jade (and even Andrade) sitting around backstage at WWE talking about what it was like working for Tony and how bad that ship is sinking.

This is so good Joey, I’m a similar age to you as well and agree 100% on all of it.

The bird nest on his head is really getting me going 🤡💥🤛

Love your podcast already. This video was a freaking banger!

Can I get access to Joe AI for... reasons?

😮Glad i found this channel

Tony Baloney gets rightfully sharted on

Meltzer is so overrated, and he is definitely too old to be spending his life arbitrarily rating wrestling matches. I honestly didn’t even know he was when I watched as a teenager during the attitude era, but he just comes off as a hack.

@GTA_500

Ай бұрын

He is not too old too watch a match and give it a reading. People like Dave Meltzer only matter to the people who like that kind of stuff.

Well done

More content like this please.

Dream matches won’t hold an American audience.

@jesuszamora6949

2 ай бұрын

Not without a story to make people care.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

@@jesuszamora6949 plenty of stories going on people like you make these comments without bothering to actually watch don't say I'm wrong because I'm not are you American

@Ticketman99

11 күн бұрын

@@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780 wat

Nice job

Great work, Mish! The hard work and long fkn hours that you pour into Soup invigorates everything around you. And no, *Don Reynolds* didn't flag the video. He doesn't know how.

To sum it up...Tony's the bag...like Dixie Carter. .but he like she is not a leader..He just a fan of wrestling and wants to be around the wrestlers..Added this is the biggest bag those indy guys like Cassidy will ever see...even if like some in NXT...they are ready to national TV...but AEW needed real leaders like Cody there...We see the affect since his departure....But fact is ...AEW struck gold beginning in 2019...cause at that time..WWE sucked...just a fact..

Great!! Everything is great!!! 🔥🔥🔥

@brettperry3737

2 ай бұрын

Ding.... ding

great job hope we get more videos like this from Joe

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

We will!

The only thing I disagree with here is saying in any way that Sting "didn't live up to his potential." In WWE he didn't, but injuries can cause the breaks at any time.

@joen6894

24 күн бұрын

WWE is ultimately where a wrestler is able to live up to their potential.

@jakenavatka9431

24 күн бұрын

WCW was "ultimately" that place in 1996 through parts of 1998 as the top company in America. Sting was a mega star there, so your argument doesn't work with him.

@joen6894

24 күн бұрын

@@jakenavatka9431 you mean the company that’s been gone for a quarter of a century and most people under 35 barely have a frame of reference for it?

@jakenavatka9431

24 күн бұрын

I know this much: Tony Khan is no Eric Bishoff no matter how much he thinks he is. Beating NXT in the ratings (some of the time) doesn't cut it in the long run.

Damn y’all that was excellent. I really respect and appreciate the hard work on this one. My only slight critique is Joey sounds like he’s reading, which he probably is. It just makes the words come off a little flat instead of like a normal convo or rant would. Still fantastic a little experience and that’ll fix itself.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

It was AI!!

@LeftCross_

2 ай бұрын

@@WRESTLINGSOUP2010 ooooh that explains it, carry on then

You have a new subscriber after seeing your video, i agree tony khan is no nice guy, i dont get that vibe from a far im English and ive never known tony khan labeled as a nice guy untill i found out he created a new wrestling company, glad i am wwe mark for 39 years now, fck aew 😂😂

Honestly i wish i could click the like button again. This was very well written and fair

Did the narrator do a podcast with a guy who was extremely slow a few years ago?

@timhall5382

2 ай бұрын

HA! Narrator says poor cm punk was bullied at aew. Fantastic! I had no idea, hilarious if true.

@timhall5382

2 ай бұрын

Good Lord. Narrator can't figure out why people blindly support Tony. MONEY, that's why. He pays them handsomely.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

Meant fans. Not people paid by him clearly.

@timhall5382

2 ай бұрын

@@WRESTLINGSOUP2010 ah.

5* exposé, bruhs.

He's a Mark.

Great job on the video, boys.

Joey reads like Daria

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

It’s a robot my guy.

@StonedMexicanGuy

2 ай бұрын

@@WRESTLINGSOUP2010in my head cannon Joey is wearing thick glasses and a green jacket with combat boots

A well put and concise case

To answer your question with which you started the video: He isn't polarizing. Everyone acknowledges that Tony Khan is an absolute moron when it comes to wrestling and business. Everyone acknowledges that he is what is known as a "money mark." The only polarizing thing is whether or not the product of his habit of throwing his father's money at his ever-growing army of action figures has produced a wrestling product that's worth watching, despite Tony Khan's ineptitude.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

Ай бұрын

I think it’s swinging more in that direction for sure. We did spend a good half a decade though watching certain sects of wrestling fans pretend he was a genius Booker.

Well done! Marvelous!

Very well summarized. We were all so excited in 2019 when we found out that WWE finally has a legit challenger. We all wanted AEW to succeed and do well so that we as fans can enjoy more wrestling content. When you need Edge, Christian, Jericho, Billy Gunn, Sting, who are in their 50s to be on your show, that is an acceptance of defeat. I like all of the above, but it's time to move on. If some of the younger talented guys like Hook, Ricky Starks are smart, they will eventually look to get to WWE. Punk is right. AEW wants to be an indie type promotion with indie style spot fest 5-star matches in front of small crowds. Young bucks have really exposed themselves as sore losers. When you are struggling to bring in big crowds domestically with big ex WWE stars, Indie style matches, what does that tell you? There is no direction, no vision, no leadership.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

there's nothing indie about AEW

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

you know nothing

More stuff like this, please.

Well did

Boys that was fantastic take a bow

Was initially excited for aew then a few years in it was clear that it’s just Tony khan booking stuff he wants to see. Whole product turned into predictable dookie once Cody left

@Ticketman99

11 күн бұрын

How did it take you years to see what people with common sense saw from day one?

really outstanding video (I wish it was longer though) Tony Khan is his own worst enemy (he is far from the Savior AEW fans paint him as i’d go as far as calling him the cancer within Pro Wrestling Everything he does effects the future in the long run) Sad thing is dude is a grade A Narcissist on the highest level! He is essentially the modern version of The Emperor’s New Clothes!

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

There is a longer version on the Patreon with some flair added in. No major loss but enough conjecture to add to the story that Joes article was trying to tell. In the future when I make these, there will definitely be extended cuts. Thank you for the compliment.

One - Really? Can't actually do a 15-minute reading? AI? Two - You're being WAY too harsh on Sting post-WCW. Not everyone who didn't go to WWE is looking to take the easy way out. Sting was a BEDROCK of TNA for many years, working hard and putting out top-tier pwrformances, and was quite frank when talking about his distrust of WWE after WCW fell... A distrust that proved right when he eventually DID join the WWE for that short period, being jobbed out and then injured. By the time 2019 came around, Sting was well past middle age and had given his best for decades. Other than that, great vid.

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

2 ай бұрын

You felt like that was hard on Sting? OK

@Ticketman99

11 күн бұрын

Did Vince personally injure Sting?

Spectacular.

🎯

AEW didn't earn the success they initially had. Tony was handed a massive wrestling company chocked full of talent without doing anything to earn being in such a position. He's the guy who is handed a functional e-fed and three months later it closes because the matches aren't being written, the cards aren't coming out on time, and he's building every single person up and promising them titles. He has the worst possible mindset for a wrestling promoter.

@GTA_500

Ай бұрын

What are you talking about he didn't earn it. That is not how things work in the world of business. You don't earn anything you buy it or invest in it. Now should he be the one booking the show no not all.

Thanks Joey and Mish !!! Well Done !!!

good job soup

Masterpiece

😉👍

Just call him the Khan man lmfao

Besides it being artificial intelligence which took a surprisingly longer time than I may have imagined) this was great. Great , great great great ding ding ding the numbers count up.

Tony fired Punk for Tony’s mistakes.

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

he fired Punk for good reason stop defending him

Vince was a monster and fool in his own right but we gotta give him credit for being willing to get In the ring and do what he was having his talents do

So you don't want AEW to have experienced guys, AND you don't want AEW to have young guys to build up? What DO you want?! Do you even know?

@WRESTLINGSOUP2010

Ай бұрын

I want you to go back and listen to what was said again and use some basic comprehension skills. Clear as day; use veteran talent, listen to veteran talent, and respect veteran talent. How you got either of your two points from this is baffling.

Tony Khan needs to step away from creative 👎

@davidcoombsbestmegadethalb9780

Ай бұрын

hes the owner of the company what a stupid comment

I just love AEW haters, so delusional in their hate.