Val Kilmer should have gotten an Oscar for his performance in that film

@AntaresBottia

7 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree. for me, we were given something very new, very special. Such a poetic and beautiful character, emotionally intelligent and full of mystery. In comparison to previous Oscar winners, it's a tragedy.

@MrRhmccabe

6 жыл бұрын

Without question,how could they have deleted any seen with him in it?

@theothertroll

6 жыл бұрын

fuck the Academy of snobs ~

@rickyarvizu7535

6 жыл бұрын

An accurate side story that was missed in this movie rendition, was the brief love triangle that an angry Big Nose Kate vengefully has with Ringo, after Doc dismissed her sexual attention, after his bedridden terminal diagnosis.

@jwduded1758

5 жыл бұрын

I live in Arizona. That place Tombstone.. Is a trippie place. So is Bisbee

The Academy should Retroactively give this man an Oscar and make a formal apology for never bestowing one upon him

A truly master class performance and completely deserved of an Oscar, shocked he never got it to be honest.

Idk how after so many years I am barely running into this deleted scene

Val Kilmer was great in this movie. One of his best performances

This and many other scenes are in the Directors Cut of Tombstone, I highly recommend it, a lot of special features as well!!

@wasteland70 Yes, Kilmer is reciting Coleridge's Kubla Khan's final lines. Heir to Ghenghis Khan, Kubla Khan was emperor of almost all Asia up to the middle-east. In the poem Coleridge dreams, while on opium, of Xanadu, the mythical & magnificent mansion built by Kubla. & at the end Coleridge imagines him almost as a supernatural being, like Jesus. "Weave a circle around him thrice/ And close your eyes with holy dread/cause he on honey dew has fed/and drank the milk of paradise". It's a classic

WHAT A FUCKING GOOD ACTOR..........

Oscar completely agree

I also wonder why this was cut, it's short and lends to the overall idea of Doc being a stranger in a strange land. In an era when most people were barely literate Doc's quotation of Coleridge while Morgan lies bleeding to death on a pool table combined with his strong grasp of Latin, and his ability to play piano shows him to be a true Renaissance man, the poet warrior in the classic sense. Quoting English poetry while your friend dies in the other room; sublime.

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

Well he couldn't save Morgan so he got drunk

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

maybe that is why it was cut if this is the scene

@southernsweetpea

Жыл бұрын

It is on the DVD.

Man he's sick as hell

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

He was also very drunk in this scene the drunkest i have seen him in the entire movie this was after Morgan was killed reportedly they were buddies too

@scottknode898

5 жыл бұрын

LockAndLoadp Doc was dying of Tuberculosis and was very drunk in this scene. In real life Doc Holliday was only given 6 months to live that was age 21 or 22 when diagnosed with tuberculosis while was practicing dentistry and lived to be 36 and died in 1887 after being diagnosed by his uncle a physician in 1873.

Coleridge wrote Kubla Khan while stoned on opium, the standard version of Kubla Khan has a note written by Colerdige himself about it; it was laudanum in fact, or opium tincture, which Wyatt Earp's wife takes throughout the movie (dying of an overdose, we're told at the end of the film)

Weave a circle round him thrice, And close your eyes with holy dread, For he on honey-dew hath fed, And drunk the milk of Paradise. "Kubla Khan"

This is the one scene they really should have kept. Top acting from Kilmer, love the Coleridge reference, and fits perfectly with the downbeat tone once Wyatt hits 'rock bottom'. Shame.

that's a good way to start a fire.

Surprised they didn't make a solo movie with Kilmer playing Doc Holiday; Origins...

Also interesting for those who enjoy analyzing the minutiae. This scene, which was deleted, features Doc quoting Coleridge who penned another poem called the Eolian Harp. Chopin's Etude in A flat major for piano is sometimes referred to as the Aeolian Harp etude, and when Doc plays the piano drunk in the bar what does he play ? A Nocturn by non other than Chopin. "Fredrick -fucking- Chopin to be exact.

@djdoyle9

Жыл бұрын

It's Kubla Khan that Doc is reciting in this scene, right?

No Oscar for the best performance ever.... #ridicilous

Our family always watched the version with the 2 doc holiday scenes still intact. It almost feels wrong to not see him complete this scene. However, this entire movie is almost perfect. Never found a more quotable movie.

best sick performance ever ,,cant stop wathing Kilmers scenes...this and him in the DOORs,,,are ICONIC ROLES for sure

I think back and I just want to scream. I missed Val kilmer by 5 minutes at Gladstone's in Malibu. Philadelphia USA

val is a brillant actor. omg, just amazing, i would love too have him in my film as my actor

He has not yet begun to defile himself

I thank you for posting that!

it ain revenge hes afta, its a reckoning..........best movie quote, LOL

So this is where he was the night of Morgan's death.

Still makes me smile! Who cares about socks anyways!

Methinks Doc’s a little sauced here 🤔

Why the scene was cut is beyond me....

@TheRojotoro Very true. Many historians argue that Doc and Kate gravitated to each other because both were equally educated.

@TheRojotoro Even stranger was the fact that Ringo was short for his real name Ringgold, probably Jewish. Woman that Earp wound up marrying after Mattie, Josephine was daughter of German Jewish immigrant. From what I've read this movie was as accurate to the facts as any every produced.

I think he could have played jack sparrow of 'pirates of the Caribbean' very well

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

I am glad they cut this one i do not wanna see him so sick and delirious even if he was part drunk

@lemonyx7109

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@kidcalabria Thanks for the info. I truly appreciate you're writing back. Take Care. Happy Thanksgiving.

@don417 i mean this respectfully, i was reading all these serious comments about the historical accuracy of this film and i'm heavily contemplating what each person is saying...then i come to the very last comment..."That's a good way to start a fire." i just had to crack up...thank you for making my day! sincerely, Irishoorah

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He just getting drunk on a Rainy night lel

Last stanza in "Kublai Khan" by Samuel Taylor Coleridge (1817).

Lol, hes acting so good, but this scene is funny :D

I don't remember this in Joker.

Well I see your point. It is Hollywood after-all and it's true that the movie isn't a historically accurate re-telling. I meant "accurate" in the sense that it captures the time, the values, the way people spoke, and thought. I'm not sure anyone knows the true story, there are as many different versions as there are players. I've read accounts that said the Earp's were actually every bit as criminal as the Clanton's if not more so. I've also read that the Clanton's were well liked in the area.

@TheRojotoro I agree. I am fascinated by the friendship between Earp and Holiday. I think your comment is, well, for lack of a better word, priceless. You may be the bestfriend I've always wanted. Take Care.

@kidcalabria hell , i thought he was quoting Neil Peart from Rush's Xanadu, lol

@funkydozer

4 жыл бұрын

To seek the sacred River Alph, to walk the caves of ice... R.I.P Neil. He has dined on honeydew and drunk the milk of paradise.

@kidcalabria At the risk of sounding like a fool, is that the poem in the scene, "Kubla Khan"? I really need to read the entire work. Thanks.

Damn.

Wow

I fail to understand how he didnt get Oscar...

Thank you, Doc Shakespeare

he is the best in this movie doc holliday

Great piece. I can see why they left it out. It's too good for the rest of the movie.

I see why they cut this.

@poohbearsauntie

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Lewis - It IS Quite A Downer.

@dougrogan379

3 жыл бұрын

I like it

they should make a movie about doc holiday just like they did with wyett and they should put val as the guy to do doc it would be a great movie

@lemonyx7109

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

November 8, 1887 ;-)

I agree, I've always appreciated that fact. It's like that HBO show "Deadwood" where they use the F-word which in a time when saying "damn" would've been outrageous, much less "goddamn" is so disingenuous to the vernacular of the day. Also the idea of insulting a man's honor as Ed Baily does Doc during the poker game. It was true during that time killing someone for doing that was considered O.K. For a fictionalized re-telling someone worked very hard to stay true to the facts.

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

Jeff Berry Ed was also going for his gun so in the movie and real life it was self defense

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

if it happened at all i read there never was an ed bailey that Doc never stabbed a man in a bar fight

Porque no hacen una version con todas las escenas eliminadas..?? Asi uno vera algo no visto..

my god they should remake the shootist as this scene could have come from swarthouts darker novel with kilmer as books

@wolfthornnholtzklau4913

5 жыл бұрын

I second this motion sir

@LkOutMtnMan accurate to the facts? How about completely writing James and Warren Earp out of the story? They were significant players in events... That being said, this is still my fave Earp movie

where would this have gone? during the midnight attack on the earps?

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

yes but in reality Virgil and Morgan were attacked Months apart but time constraints for a movie i guess and it doesn't hurt anything

What is Doc quoting from?

@Athleticmaleuk

10 жыл бұрын

Shakespeare

@dayuhanhaguisan9966

9 жыл бұрын

The last lines of the poem, "Kubla Khan" by Samuel Taylor Coleridge

Greek, not Latin, was Homer’s language.

What part of this in the movie is this supposed to take place ? The death of Morgan ? Or what ?

@ANDRE1mang

9 ай бұрын

Yes just right after Morgan was shot and Wyatt was in the streets crying in the rain

Would this be after the attack on Virgil and Morgan?

@scottknode898

5 жыл бұрын

This was after Morgan was killed right after Wyatt is out in streets yelling and crying after his brothers death.

@dannythomas417

4 жыл бұрын

RIP Bill Paxton!

Meanwhile back in America...

@lemonyx7109

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

wonder why they deleted this scene?

@scottknode898

5 жыл бұрын

It happens in every movie they delete scenes to keep pace moving and keep movies from getting too long. They have deleted scenes on DVDs or blu rays I have a dvd that has the deleted scenes section.

Lol

Like #400

Xanadu

@tsuei05 I totally agree with you.

They should have kept some of these deleted scenes in the movie

@ethan520_

5 жыл бұрын

bullet especially this one. this scene shows how sick doc actually was

lol wot

@aprildannettegosa5381

5 жыл бұрын

bushmansmeg How sick he was he had Tuberculosis

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