Incredible that he has the time to write books on Roman history and act as Spider-Man.

@TansuTansu2

11 ай бұрын

The radioactive spider bite came from a Lycosidae.......

@h____hchump8941

11 ай бұрын

I'd been wondering if they were the same Tom Holland since I watched the last Spider-Man, thanks for confirming it.

@ChessErwin

10 ай бұрын

Unless I miss my guess, this Mr. HOLLAND doesn't have another 'day job' starring in the SPIDER MAN flix....

@DaviRenania

10 ай бұрын

@@ChessErwin Sorry to inform you, but you missed your guess

@BigDan23229

10 ай бұрын

He also directed the movie Child's Play I think...

“You have power over your mind - not outside events. Realize this, and you will find strength.”~Marcus Aurelius

I love the way Tom Holland has come up with unorthodox insights into Western culture and I value his scholarship and this interview.

@madeinengland1212

11 ай бұрын

Smacks of damage limitation.

@aristocraticrebel

11 ай бұрын

It's basic Nietzscheanism.

@daveflanagan4213

10 ай бұрын

Yea brilliant

@deadmanwalking6342

10 ай бұрын

@smileytownSF No you dont

This was an outstanding conversation. Thank you so much for putting it on KZread for FREE! What a great service you are doing for Western Civilization, honestly. One thing that was true then, and is still true today: PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER is the way of man, and especially the way of empires. Once they forget this, the empire is over.

"The Rest is History" with Dominic Sandbrook and Tom Holland is by far my favorite podcast. Learned, sofisticated and often hilariously funny❤

@jsong8282

10 ай бұрын

I heard about TH from Dominion, which I richly enjoyed. I also liked the Rest is History 4-part series on the IS civil war

@johanswede8200

10 ай бұрын

@@jsong8282 Listen to all of them. They are very funny. The best episodes are without guests. Just the two of them. Enjoy. 🥰 From Stockholm

@elenahelen8958

10 ай бұрын

Where can one find this podcast, please?

@jsong8282

10 ай бұрын

@@elenahelen8958 it’s on Spotify and I’m sure others

@johanswede8200

10 ай бұрын

@@elenahelen8958 Google Podcasts

"All empires fall. We can only hope that what we leave behind inspires respect and admiration." - Garrus Vakarian

@workhorse7134

10 ай бұрын

Well that's not gonna happen with the American Empire.

@samchandler7747

10 ай бұрын

​@@workhorse7134The Internet. Personal computers. Mobile phones. Email. Polio Vaccine. Airplanes. Panama Canal. Blues. Rock and Roll. Spaceshuttle. Human Genome Map. Splitting of the Atom. Men on the moon.

@izzyarland5304

10 ай бұрын

This is my favorite comment on the UnHerd channel.

@Laocoon283

10 ай бұрын

​​@@samchandler7747The United nations, ending slavery, the light bulb, the transistor, obese poor people, hollywood, GPS

@vaska1999

9 ай бұрын

​​@@samchandler7747 The only ones from that list that couldn't have emerged elsewhere are the blues and rock 'n roll. We're still reading Ancient Greeks but I wonder if people will be listening to rock 2,500 years from now. Bach and Tchaikovsky have a much greater chance of living on that long.

Everyone should read his previous book 'Dominion'. It's fantastic and really eye-opening.

@nancypulley

10 ай бұрын

Audible is awesome Loved it ❤because Tom Holland reads it and his voice punches the vital stuff - highly recommended 😊

@johncarroll772

10 ай бұрын

Is it as good as the movie, l thought the movie was fantastic.

Every now and then people will look to the fall of the Roman Empire for a cautionary lesson or predictor, learned folk discuss and disagree on the finer points, some even publish books on the topic, but to save time in digging over the same old worn ground I recommend Chauncey Gardiner: “First comes spring and summer, but then we have fall and winter. And then we get spring and summer again.”

@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810

10 ай бұрын

Korean made a film for that: Spring,summer,autumn,winter and Spring. Kim-Ki-Duk should be the director,

What really got me interested in The Roman Empire was reading Winston Churchill's "The Birth of Britain" some 20 years ago.

Tom Holland is a fabulous storyteller. Many thanks Freddie.

i would join this club if i lived in england.

I’m very surprised that there was not a single mention of Sir John Glubb’s The Fate of Empires. His observation of six stages of empires is exactly how we are similar to the Roman empire.

@pmurnion

9 ай бұрын

I would be even more impressed if they cited 'The Rise and Fall of Great Powers', but Paul Kennedy, a real historian, not an amateur. His work showed that in reality the essential condition for the European rise to greatness was not the Roman Empire but its collapse.

articulate, intelligent and entertaining - it'll never catch on! (great interview)

Tom Holland is the best teacher, could listen to him all day 😊

@spudspuddy

10 ай бұрын

very good historian, can't look at him though, makes me feel sick, weird creature

Thanks to the friendly neighbourhood historian Tom Holland, with great knowledge comes great pedagogy.

Was in my element listening about Roman history. Thank you Tom Holland and thank you Freddie Sayers for hosting this event.

@theresewalters1696

11 ай бұрын

Interesting take through modern eyes.

Tom Holland's Dominion is superb. Looking forward to reading this new book, too.

That was so interesting & stimulating. Much food for thought.

This has been my first introduction to this brilliant scholar and I have been listening to his podcasts ever since. @Tom Holland, if you by any chance read these comments, here is a suggestion for the topic of your next tome: A study of the saints of the British isles up to the grand schism of the churches. I may be wrong, but I do not think an academic work of Holland's calibre exists. This of course, would include Saints Columba, Cuthbert and Patrick. Just putting it out there😊

Great interview. Byzantium only got a single mention in the comments, but arguably it was even more impressive than the Western Empire. It lasted longer in a more hostile neighbourhood. So many peoples have an Orthodox heritage due to Byzantium.

@theresewalters1696

11 ай бұрын

Great point!

@r64g

10 ай бұрын

Some even say that the Byzantium had endured and the Russian empire was a spiritual descendent of Byzantium, because the Russian statehood was consolidated through its wholesale conversion to Orthodox Christianity in the 10th century.

@gokalpmetininpapyonlusu5810

10 ай бұрын

@@r64g Ottomans were the descendants earlier than Russians. That is the reason why Ottoman is considered as "Third Rome".

@andrewbaldwin4454

10 ай бұрын

@@r64g That's probably going too far, but the conversion of Rus' to the Orthodox faith was a hugely important event. When Constantinople fell to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, it became common to call it "The Third Rome" and Muscovites proclaimed that there would be no fourth, recognizing the importance of their link with Byzantium.

@doanhoangvan5009

9 ай бұрын

It is really interesting to recognize Russia as the spiritual inheritor of the Eastern Roman Empire. The Eastern Roman spirit had, for so many ocassions, recovered from military defeats and territorial losses to the formidable Arabs and Turks. Great emperors like Nikephoros II and Basil II brought destruction to the once victorious Arabs while Alexios I, Ioannes II and Manoul I often defeated the Turks in battle. Successive Muslim empires completely failed to conquer the whole of Anatolia before the 1204 Crusader sack of Constantinople. Later, while the Eastern Roman Empire was allegedly conquered by the Ottoman Turks, the Eastern Roman spirit was revived and embodied by the Russian Empire which often massacred the invincible Ottoman armies. @@r64g

Simply fascinating ! Keep it up Mr Sayers (and team)! The refreshing canopy of genuine knowledge!

Unherd - incredibly good as always! The question I asked myself listening to Tom Holland: Were all these sexual practices really typical for ALL Romans or were they just demonstrations of power by the elite, the senators, the very rich?

@paulantonio740

10 ай бұрын

I asked myself the same question.

@neilreynolds3858

9 ай бұрын

They're typical of humans.

@LadyBug1967

9 ай бұрын

​@@neilreynolds3858NO u speak of yourself and more importantly for yourself . I hope you're either in the upper echelons are in prison because if you are not your wolf encounter problems in this life and definitely in your future life

@johnricercato740

3 ай бұрын

@@LadyBug1967’wolf encounter’ - yes, that’s pretty weird…..

Outstanding conversation!

This was wonderful and fascinating! Especially the part about the cycles of decadence and resurgence of martial virtues.

Excellent discussion!! Thank you.

Some parts of what he said can be summarized by something I was saying for years now - Christianity was the wokeness of the ancient world. I see now more and more historians catching on, which is great.

@thinking7667

8 ай бұрын

How?

Fascinating! Thank you!!

Amazing. Well done!

This was sheer pleasure 😊

Totally fascinating, and christmas presents (the book, Pax) sorted - many thanks!

Great discussion

Amazing show!

Thank you for this video

Who would have thought that Spiderman was such a scholar. I suppose with all this power... he had to channel it somewhere in his free time.

PAX. How I wish I was able to attend your conference scheduled in September. Thank you for your video.

I think Tom is wrong about how different sex practices are between the Romans and the modern west. I would argue that in many places there are striking similarities. For example, the sexual dynamics within prison culture or amongst the top echelons of power (which we blatantly see with people like J. Epstein, the international sex trafficking market, etc.) But the general population is either unaware or willfully ignorant because it's uncomfortable to face.

@user-vd7tq5rp9x

10 ай бұрын

Humans do not change much in these areas. 😂😢

@LadyBug1967

9 ай бұрын

FB I beg to differ. Tom has a very nuanced and very subtle view of these issues and what he's reflecting upon is that the public in America-- if they viewed what the public in Rome viewed --they would find it disgusting and they would be sick to their stomachs. THIS is NOT to say that the elites , and those that mingle with them n do their dirty work like Epstein, who came from Jewish working class Brooklyn ( need I say more)but rose to prominence in terms of money due to his used by the US government to basically do KOMOROMAT-- the Russian way of controlling people. In like sense prisons and those people in those prisons are similar to the upper echelons because the two extremes don't need to worryvif they're going to move from their position-- the lowest will stay in the lowest level the highest will stay in the highest level -- itis we middle-class who have morals and ethics and actually belong to usually a group that has ideas regarding what makes for good family life; a good place to raise children; a good place to prosper both spiritually and physically. I'm sorry if you missed a nuanced and in depth analysis by Tom Holland but perhaps you can reflect more upon it now

En la escuela nos enseñaban sobre los griegos y romanos su filosofia, obras como la Odisea o Iliada que uno tenia que leer obligado. Pero nunca nos enseñaron al Jesus hiatorico y la gran influencia del cristianismo. Porque no? Gracias a este historiador estoy aprendiendo mucho.

Thanks!

I am particularly looking forward to his book on the 60s and hope it comes out while lots of us who enjoyed that decade are still here to enjoy the read!

Excellent discussion.

Great guest and interview. I would have included Aurelian on his impactful emperor list, but what the hey. Thanks

I’m imagining Vitalious in a Wigan rugby league shirt and the crowds chanting “Who ate all the pies?”

An expression "like a man taking a shit". Classic! I know a few of those kinds today!

this is great

When does this come out on audible? I just finished Rubicon and Dynasty. I need this one!

My thanks. Carry on!

Thx

World War 1 and 2 should be described era as 2nd Pax Romana in 20th century for weapons used were supposed to be for taxation for far prov inces or independent states of European and North American territories being governed by independent state governors whom governing highly skilled, educated, professional middle class workers.Weapons used by opposing groups if not destroyed have validity warranty or guarantee of 50, 100 or 150 years before it will be upgraded.

Oh look! Its Dominic Sandbrooks sidekick!

One guy wanted to start off with a 68 but the other guy wanted to start off with a nevermind.

@paulwhetstone0473

11 ай бұрын

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@games-do9gt

11 ай бұрын

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Tom - praying for you to personalise your amazing understanding of Gods work on earth in Christ. Also this show is always great. God bless

@shivabreathes

10 ай бұрын

Tom's indicated strongly in multiple interviews that he has significantly reconsidered and rediscovered Christianity through his work on "Dominion", so I think he's definitely on the path!

@user-vd7tq5rp9x

10 ай бұрын

Daft 😂

Tom Holland is a treasure

Thanks for the discussion..the Roman empire does seem rather harsh..wonder if there's no other way for great civilisations to develop. X

@KD400_

11 ай бұрын

All empires were harsh. What's ur point. And let me say that life was harsh back then

at 28:43 "so he's literally trying to turn this person into a woman." - Freddie Sayers "and of course, you can't do that." - Tom Holland kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYF2o6qffpzKmJc.html

Great. Where can I get a "Barbarian" T-Shirt?

emperors were needed to control senatorial aristocracy on behalf of the middle classes (among which, the legionaries).. senatorial aristocracracy went rampant at the end of republic (oligarchy) provoking several civil wars that almost destroyed Rome

Word.

Been saying we need a Vespasian for years. Boris wasn't one. Quite clearly.

@thadtuiol1717

11 ай бұрын

Boris is a fat clown... so more Vitellus than Vespasian

Sounds like today

Two thoughts from this excellent presentation; how will “we” be understood in an equivalent future and is there parallel discussion in “China” looking at continuities?

Interesting point about Rome and China.

Italy and Germany looked like expanded notation size of Roman Colosseum center gladiatorial combat zones in World War 2.

Very good, that. Most enjoyable.

👀 me, watching this from Romania, contemplating our existence

The rejection by fascist institutions of the ethos of "... and the last shall become the first" is aptly pointed at as when the arc of the West, the former Christendom, bowed down. The key word is institutions, from the Latin. Those of my peers who love to say they are "spiritual" but don't abide "organized religion" know not what they are doing. They mock the Liberal Arts and decry the glut of MSW's as we visibly palpably descend. Mr. Holland is a fine example of a British scholar. I salute you and thank you Freddy for creating this forum. Regards!

Thank you for this podcast. I would be very interested to know what Tom thinks the long term consequences, even to this day, the destruction of the temple in 70AD had?

The first Holy Roman Empire devolution happened when Charles V divided his empire to his family members and retire to monastery. The first too empire devolution gave birth to Spanish Peninsular language language of Spaniards described as first class high grade absolute monarchy ruled by King Philip Ii and headquarter based is in El Escorial Palace.The palace was called to as ancient IMF where it stored heavy gold bars afterwards moved to treasure galleon ships or mobile banking vaults convoy by Spanish Warships.Spain was founder of mercantilism.

Vespassian was a great emperor.

Mediterranean Seas domain of governance were expanded by King Philip II during the last tail era of Roman empire in 15th century and precious assets of King Phil II were the Spanish Armada whom he inherited from Charles V- Holy Roman Emperor for oversees exploration.

What great insight! Slightly rephrased: "French and Russian revolutions repudiated the institutions of Christianity and the Facists the core morality of Christianity e.g. The last will be first."

I could have listened two more hours of this.

What a guy!!

Holy shit the description of Roman men and how they use their penis' is so fucking based lmao

First Pax Romana took placed during Roman times and capital should be the Mediterranean Seas because it solved Roman problems of mobility from one territories to another for empire governance.

What a gorgeous venue! Does anyone know the name of the place?

@sirrathersplendid4825

10 ай бұрын

Ah, answered my own question - the Unherd Club in Westminster. Who’d have thunk it?

Correction for the author to consider: Titus never ordered the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem. A fire broke out amongst a final stand by rebels and Roman soldiers. Titus gave orders not to sack the Temple. Loot was taken after the fact and some Roman soldiers were out of control.

What amazed me was that the kingdom of king Philip II was not yet started untill now in 21st century.

When discussing the terrible tale of Sporus Holland exclaims that the Romans were, "not like us!" However given the horrors of our age it would seem that were not so different after all.

An American couple once asked me about the collapse of The Roman Empire re the troubles in their own country. I said you don’t have to look so far back, look to how Britain has mismanaged its Decline

"What beasts these Romans be!"

43:03 wow

Ancient Rome sounds like Hollywood.

Amazing!!

U don't have to be a historian to understand that we are seeing the west collapse much like rome did. Empires rise and fall. The empires reach their peak and then it just declines

Vespasian "has an expression like a man straining for a shit" => pecunia non olet. A pissoir (also known in French as a vespasienne) is a French invention

I've read all of Tom Holland's. What a pleasure to see him interviewed. Thank you from Oregon!

All very interesting, but what did the Romans ever do for us?

@richardc861

11 ай бұрын

Tourist destination in Rome

Tom Holland as brilliant as ever, this was both stimulating and enjoyable to watch/listen to.

Pro consul job title claimed and given to Julius Caesar of Rome failed when he crossed the Rubicon River.He was assassinated but pro consul job title claimed and given to Napoleon of France effective when he crossed Moscow Kremlin Russia,he survived, lived and get back to France alive.

@kevwhufc8640

9 ай бұрын

Leaving behind many thousands of his men , killed in action or starved or frozen to death, While the the great napoleon abandoned his men & ran away from the Russians

We still call it Mare Nostrum

Anyone else confused when Tom says Romania doesn't exist?? It is between Greece and Ukraine

Metatron history channel speaks about Greece and debunks that being gay was open and condoned.

One of the inventors of fascism, Mussolini, said that he recognized US President Roosevelt, as a fellow fascist

@meljenkins2043

10 ай бұрын

Trusting Mussolini?

@jeandevalette8860

10 ай бұрын

Well, Mussolini was the leading Marxist in Italy for most of his life and claimed that his theory of Fascism arose from his Marxism, so perhaps there is some sort of throughline to the beliefs of Roosevelt.

A fascinating and illuminating discussion. The point about the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem is very interesting but I think it is worth noting that the Jews (not simply the Judeans) had a distinct identity already in the Empire, being a religio licita that did not sacrifice to Caesar: further they were dispersed throughout the empire a d posssessed their own identity, books and synagogues to reinforce their religious identity, unlike the other nations. I thjnk Tom Holland needs to interact more with scholars of first century Judaism. He is of course always a great writer to reckon with and you learn new things from him

King Philip II was royalist Catholic.

I love learning about History. Here is my take: There are two periods one should learn thoroughly: The Roman Empire and the Third Reich. Everything else is just of version of those.

@kevwhufc8640

9 ай бұрын

Third Reich only lasted a few years The Roman empire lasted over 2000 ,

Tom is outstanding and UnHerd was an instant sub for me

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Lesson 1. If you allow thousands of immigrants - many of whom quite openly despise the host countries history and traditions - into your country then it's only a matter of time until social cohesion disappears. In Britain's case we have allowed hundreds of thousands !! A country that cannot control its own borders will eventually cease to exist.

DAH this history major learned about all of his book in 1970.