You know there’s a problem when Karl Malden is the best singer in the room.

@Juliaflo

6 күн бұрын

I did not know that dear old Mr. Sekulovic had it in him.

It should be digitally put back in the movie

It has a delightful verve even if no one can sing well.

"WE ALL CAN BE FLAT.... Together."

Nice to see this. I knew it was cut because of the bad singing and I have been looking for it. Bette Midler with Cynthia Gibb, did a great job for the TV version.

What's interesting is that a short snippet of this scene made its way in the trailer.

It was deleted because Natalie Wood had a clause in her contract that if she didn't like the way she sounded, she could have the power to have it cut. I had always wondered how one of the best numbers in the show was cut until I read this information.

@lostvocals8

Жыл бұрын

Actually, Roz' key forced Natalie to go UP an octave, not down - that's why she yells the whole song. The clause actually gave the producers the option to cut a song - they just couldn't dub Natalie. I think the studio cut it.

@maddalonefarms

9 ай бұрын

@@lostvocals8Natalie probably remembered that since they dubbed her in West Side Story

Love it.

This is fun to see incorporated back into the film, even with the strained sounding vocals, & the number is very nearly intact. However, I wonder if there's a truly complete take, since the first verse (with the line about "no fits, no fights, no feuds & no egos") has been skipped over. My guess is that the first verse was filmed & present originally, trimmed out for whatever reason, & eventually lost, but I'm still happy that any portion of the song survived.

@lostvocals8

4 ай бұрын

This 16mm print is the only copy that has ever been found, so it's likely this is all that was filmed. The entire number was cut, so there was no reason to trim it.

@photobygil

3 ай бұрын

I imagine you're right. My confusion was compounded by the soundtrack album (the original vinyl LP), which represents the song with ONLY the first verse (sung by Lisa Kirk). At the point I got the record, I didn't know the background about how the number was filmed but ultimately deleted. I was surprised many years later when the 16mm footage turned up. It was nice to see it as a dvd extra then, & your edit here is even nicer, so thanks for sharing.@@lostvocals8

I like the song, but the entire thing looks like all of blocking is wrong and none of it looks the way it should

It's a great song, and fun to watch even though it looks more like a first run through than the real thing! Many people have commented on the poor quality of Natalie and Roz's singing (though personally l don't mind it at all), whilst overlooking the fact that the only musical pieces that were cut from the film were this and the latter section of You'll Never Get Away From Me - coincidentally the only two times Karl Malden was called upon to sing! Maybe the problem wasn't with either of the ladies but with Karl, who was hardly a Caruso.

@lostvocals8

5 ай бұрын

Nah - it's Natalie's screeching that ruins the song. Karl was fine.

@joeenglert

4 ай бұрын

karl sings better than jack klugman from the original cast

ya lowering the key really screwed natalie, She's having to scream just to reach the higher notes.

@Gary_Jaffe

2 жыл бұрын

That makes no sense. If they lowered the key, she shouldn't have to "reach" the higher notes, the problem would be that it's too low. She's just NOT a singer. She's was gorgeous, had good acting chops, definitely an appealing personality ... but singing just wasn't one of her gifts. Yet for some reason, she was not only Maria in West Side, not only Louise in Gypsy, but they gave her INSIDE DAISY CLOVER, a train wreck of a film with Natalie required to do song after song. I only recently learned she's dubbed in that (with someone I suppose trying to sound not-too-awesome to make it seem more real), but it's not just the singing. She's not truly musical - she tends to look awkward when she's in musical moments. I love her as a dramatic, even comedic, actress ... but not in musicals. I can live with her very appealing Maria in West Side (and as stated here, Marni Nixon provided vocals), she does fine with "Little Lamb" and we don't need to have a fabulous singer for that song ... but when I watch the strip at the end, I always think -- her vocals are just too flat and pushed. Again, they didn't need a diva singer, but someone who could approximate what Natalie really sounded like but just get closer to the pitch. For DAISY CLOVER, it's WAY too many muscials numbers - dubbed or not. They have her running around like a maniac - I suppose thinking we'd be distracted by the physical and not notice she's not that sort of entertainer. They should have taken a calculated risk and given Liza Minnelli DAISY CLOVER. Liza won the Tony award for Best Actress in a Musical in 1965 for FLORA THE RED MENACE and the show closed that summer. That's the time DAISY would be filming. The character of DAISY is supposed to be 16/17 years old. Natalie Wood was 27. Liza was 19 and much more the "kooky, quirky Tom Boy type" that was needed for DAISY - and obviously she'd shine bright in the musical numbers. Or, better yet, no movie of DAISY CLOVER would be the best idea of all ... instead give Natalie (who got better every few films) something interesting dramatially. She'd have been delightful in BAREFOOT IN THE PARK with Robert Redford (her DAISY co-star) - I think a much better fit for the role than Jane Fonda. Ah, the retroactive casting game. Fun, but pointless.

@joshadcock1035

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gary_Jaffe It does make sense. They lowered the key for Rosalind but in the process it made the song to low for Natalie so she had to sing it an octave higher than Rosalind. Natalie is having to yell just to hit the higher notes in this key. You are right though Natalie was not a good singer but Lowering the key for Rosalind made Natalie sound even worse

I've heard that the reason the number was cut was because of a clause in Natalie Wood's contract that stated that any number that turned out to be beyond her vocal capabilities would be cut from the film. I don't know if that's actually true, just some trivia I've come across.

@lostvocals8

3 жыл бұрын

Kind of. The actual stipulation was that no dubber could be used - they had to use her voice or cut the number. This song was lowered to Roz' key (as were all the songs) forcing poor Natalie to sing (yell) an octave higher. She sounded so bad they had to cut the number, since she refused to be dubbed.

@dmnemaine

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostvocals8 Okay. That actually makes more sense.

@robertgold3868

2 жыл бұрын

@@lostvocals8 That is what I heard or read too. Natalie Wood had total control of the numbers she felt she didn't sound good in. I always wondered HOW they cut one of the most popular numbers of the score until I learned that!

@joeyjosephs

2 жыл бұрын

It was cut because the movie was already too long and movie theaters would complain they were losing money if they couldn’t show it more …they cut A Star is born for the same reason l which was also Warner brothers

Well now we know why it was cut. Roz not dubbed in this. Natalie should’ve been

Many on Broadway haven't great singing voices so why does it make a difference in film ?

@lostvocals8

2 жыл бұрын

I strongly disagree. Broadway singers must not only be on pitch, but they need to sustain notes and project without yelling (even with mics). Roz and Natalie are painful to listen to in this clip - it could never have been used.

I don't think it's so awful. Remember..Gypsy is not supposed to be a great singer anyway, but Natalie is ok. Much as I love Roz though, this role belonged to Merman.

@detectivefiction3701

Жыл бұрын

I also love how Angela Lansbury sounded in the role.

@JohnnyGNV

9 күн бұрын

I ABSOLUTELY adored Natalie Wood in all her movies, but no, sorry but this is unlistenable - for the Soundtrack album, they had LISA KIRK sing this by herself and if they really wanted to keep the number, they could have used the Lisa Kirk version with Herbie and Louise just listening to it - I honestly think they cut this number also because the Movie was already too long -

I keep wanting one of the Toreadorables to come out and say "Do you mind? We're trying to sleep." No wonder Sondheim hates this movie, replacing his lyrics with "Plunka-plunka-plunk-plunk." If only Natalie Wood hadn't had to yell. And the "B flat" is a bit cringe-making. This movie's still vastly superior to the Bette Midler remake.

Hello- I have always wondered why this song and the duet version of You'll Never Get Away From Me were cut from the release print of the film. was it that the film was originally going to be released on a roadshow policy but when they decided not to they shortened it for a regular continuous performance run?

@lostvocals8

3 жыл бұрын

It was because the vocals are unlistenable.

@rockyracoon3233

2 жыл бұрын

@@lostvocals8 . Well, maybe just not too good. Unlistenable vocals to me is Yoko Ono.

@Gary_Jaffe

2 жыл бұрын

@@rockyracoon3233 Ha! I can't help picturing Yoko as Louise in GYPSY now. The truth is, it's fine if Herbie doesn't sing. But, the ladies need to sing, ESPECIALLY Rose. With the three of them croaking along ... well, as Yoko once sang, they were walking on thin ice.

Natalie Wood was so pissed that she was overdubbed by Marni Nixon in West Side Story, yet here's living proof of her lack of capability in that area of performance. Rosalind Russell have put in the years and and one can overlook an older woman, a real "pro" in her voice. Karl Malden holds it together - Jack Klugman played that role with Ethel Merman! Natalie was a great looking girl with her doe eyes. Karl; not so great.

Rosalind Russell couldn't sing, so she was dubbed someone who also couldn't sing, IMO. Natalie Wood could more or less carry a simple tune in her thin little voice, but putting any real emotion into it was beyond her. As a singer, Karl Malden was a great actor. And here they all are in a musical.

@TheCharmpop

3 жыл бұрын

Ouch but true 🤓

@randyventresca4152

3 жыл бұрын

It's nice that you still took the time to come here, watch the video, and make negative comments:)

@ausbrum

3 жыл бұрын

Ros Russell ran for two years in Wonderful Town on Broadway.You can check her in a tv performance on youtube. The Karl Malden role was never played by a "singer". Check the Ethel Merman Broadway cast album

@amahra100

3 жыл бұрын

Russell sang on Broadway many times, but some of the Gypsy songs were just too demanding for her voice. She sang "Mr. Goldstone" and the first part of the finale.

As awful as this sounds, don't forget Rosalind Russell won a Tony Award for a musical. That meant, she sang, however low, eight shows a week from February 25, 1953 - April 3, 1954. That's impressive.

@lostvocals8

3 жыл бұрын

She also sounded fin in The Girl Rush six years earlier. But her voice had deteriorated by Gypsy.

@amahra100

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that's true. They say the songs in Gypsy were too demanding for her range.

@lostvocals8

3 жыл бұрын

@@amahra100 They were written for one of the greatest singers of the 20th singers!

@GothicTopicPodcast

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostvocals8 I would have loved to see Ethel Merman in this role on film. She really deserved that honor although Roz did a fantastic acting job.

@lostvocals8

3 жыл бұрын

@@GothicTopicPodcast I agree - I think she would have been great!

This is one of the best songs. Although not well done.

@rockyracoon3233

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer it to the Gimmick song!

@Bigbadwhitecracker

2 жыл бұрын

@@rockyracoon3233 Gimmik song is freaking amazing. Together is brilliant on stage but this is frightful.

OMG.... glad they deleted this ....

I'm glad they cut that number.

I think they cut it due to the lyric, We'll sleep together..Why didnt they use LIsa Kirk for this song? When TCM shows the film they always say Natalie and Roz didn't speak to eachother while shooting. I wonder if its true. Lana Wood said Roz was so wonderful in her book, but TCM says Natalie hated her.

@davidgeary4302

3 жыл бұрын

Natalie Wood was one of the few actresses Russell mentioned as a friend in her biography..

@ChrisWolff2013

3 жыл бұрын

Natalie and Rosalind became close friends after filming. Rosalind hated that Natalie was being promoted as the main star in the movie, so she responded by being cold to her. They eventually warmed up to each other near the end of filming.

@JohnnyGNV

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidgeary4302 I have never heard that they didn't get along - when Natalie had her babies, she loved showing pictures to Roz, and this was several years later when Natalie had baby girls in the 70's.

@davidgeary4302

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisWolff2013 I can understand that Roz was upset. In the trailer she is only mentioned once. But that was hardly a reason for her to be cold to Wood since the trailer was made after the film had been finished. and Natalie Wood could hatdly have anything to do with that anyway.

@Bigbadwhitecracker

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently Natalie hated everybody. Ask Richard Beymer. Made his life a living hell so much that he doesn't attend WSS reunions.

All three are equally terrible! It was a good idea to edit this out of the film. Natalie may be loud, but Roz is really awful. Natalie sounded good on the rest of the soundtrack, though.

That. was. horrendous. So glad it was cut. And she wanted to sing West Side Story? Who was she kidding?

@thomaslawrence2375

2 жыл бұрын

Well this was the year after West Side Story, and this musical was more in Natalie’s register 😊

They're not even trying to sound good

@flannerymonaghan-morris1317

4 жыл бұрын

Although to be fair, it makes context here since they think they are rehearsing...

@Bigbadwhitecracker

2 жыл бұрын

So amateurish. Shocking. I'll have nightmares tonight.