I find it very right that the jurors ask questions. That means that they want everything to be clear!

@teatimedrinker1

2 жыл бұрын

And they’re probably asking as nobody is bringing it up when they are questioning the witness(es).

@lisawarr

2 жыл бұрын

Me too x

Huge mean man and a defenseless small child..what an awful tragedy!

IMO, there are 3 realistic possibilities: 1) The defendant killed his son. (Doesn’t mean it was committed in the manner he conf too) 2) His wife killed the child (which almost certainly he would know) 3) He locked the child out, like he said in 1 of the confessions, in the middle of the night in a thunderstorm. A 5 y/o autistic child alone in the dark, who is terrified of thunder, w/no shoes in freezing cold rain. There r numerous things that could have resulted in his death-inclement weather, drowning, dehydration, predators (people/animal). List goes on & on. BUT if he did this, he’s absolutely as responsible for his death as if he beat him to death.

@DOLfirst

3 жыл бұрын

Or someone left that door unlocked and Joe wandered off? ..where he is is still a mystery. Or perhaps his older brother let him out? So many possibilities.

@maryb6672

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOLfirst Anything is possible. But that said, children with sensory issues, who are on the spectrum, tend to find loud noises distressing (it was thundering), often struggle w/textures (meaning he almost certainly wouldn’t have willingly gone out in rain & cold without shoes on-I would be shocked if he willingly walked on grass, gravel, mud etc barefoot) Again, anything is possible. But the 3 options r most likely IMO.

@DOLfirst

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryb6672 In the interview the dad said that Joe wasn't bothered by the rain. He did state that Joe had a fascination for water. "..locked the bathroom door and ran the tub til it overflowed". Maybe the dad DID put him out in the rain but in the interview he just sounds like he is being honest and forthcoming to me. 🤷‍♂️ I hope the boy is found alive. When I was young a little girl in the next town was kidnapped and murdered. Everyone was "THE FATHER DID IT! HE LOOKS CREEPY" The father didn't do it after all. If this same thing happened today there is no doubt in my mind that people on the internet would have him drawn and quartered immediately. I try to keep this in mind. It's not always the spouse/parent/a loved one who commits a crime and I will always hope that a missing child will be found alive.

@DOLfirst

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryb6672 Also, sometimes I think the police often just want to close a case...at any cost.

@maryb6672

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOLfirst Oh absolutely! I don’t disagree that it’s not always the parents. And I’ve definitely seen cases were defendants were railroaded by police. And false confessions absolutely occur! Of course, it would be incredible if the child could be found alive. But statistically, it’s most often the parents & in the small percentage that it’s not, unfortunately by far the vast majority of those children are killed within the 1st day. Not trying to be negative. Just saying that realistically, the odds are low that he is still alive. (Even if the father didn’t kill the child) Guess we’ll know more when we’re able to see the “confession”.

As a person who listens to A Lot of true crime podcasts etc. when someone offers too much info about what they think might have happened or offers up others or injects info as they are interrogated. Sure sign to investigators that they are not telling the truth.

@ShellysSweetFinds

3 жыл бұрын

this is what I JUST commented. He goes way beyond the actual questions.

He sounded too calm in that interview, I would be beside myself if it was my child, as a parent you always think the worst...

@DOLfirst

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps he was exhausted by everything? I'm sure he was frantic when he realized he couldn't find Joe? Did you ever go to a wake and the family members are standing there smiling and greeting those who came to pay respects? They get all the tears out of the way, all the frantic is spent.

@foxylady9110

3 жыл бұрын

@@DOLfirst Yes that’s true, I’m perhaps assuming this interview was done very soon after he went missing..

@lovepet4565

3 жыл бұрын

He is a manipulative narcissist He thinks hes going to Out smart them with his cooked up Ideas hes trying to plant He killed that kid He is very violent father and the one poor boy that could not regulate Was brutally beaten to death

@Annie-so3cb

3 жыл бұрын

@@lovepet4565 do you know how ignorant you sound?🙄🙄🙄

@lovepet4565

3 жыл бұрын

@@Annie-so3cb ignorance is only in those that cannot accept other peoples opinions wo attacking them.

Dear jury, could we focus on the murder case and stop asking the court for a tour of the facility? The only reason you’re there is because a kid is probably dead, and you need to really pay attention and make a decision if this dude murdered him. It’s a tax funded government facility, not the Taj Mahal. Game faces people!

This poor little boy was recognised and treated as a $1,200 a month cheque. Just heart breaking. I'm thankful little Joe at least found a bit of happiness, recognition and care at school.

God help that poor baby to be treated like that by the people he trusted. Det Sarah McCartney Has a cute and kind smile and am sure this must be horrible for her and her colleagues

Listening to this after his teachers testimony makes me sad that she could yell you every single thing about this sweet boy but his own father knows knows. He gets angry when he doesn't get his way . ... like 99% of the kids on this earth

He gets soft spoken when asked if he had anything to do with Joe’s disappearance. I would be very loud saying NO! I would not able me to be still. I would be panicked.

Something that REALLY stood out to me...and maybe it's a coincidence...but the last name Rosenbaum mentioned in this recording. And the two victims have VERY similar last names...Daniel and Daniels. Does anyone remember that trial with the monster foster parents Jennifer and Jason Rosenbaum?! Like I said, maybe it's a coincidence, but it certainly made me raise my eyebrows!

@stayhydrated8321

3 жыл бұрын

Listen, I went and googled it… checking for a connection

@stayhydrated8321

3 жыл бұрын

Jennifer and joseph

@lifeinlilac161

3 жыл бұрын

@@stayhydrated8321 yes....I knew it was a J name. Couldn't remember as I was typing 😂

@pinkgorilla99

3 жыл бұрын

@@stayhydrated8321 the Rosenbaum trial was horrible and tragic. I hope they are still rotting in prison!

There’s truth in one of his statements for sure: If you were driving down the road late at night and saw a little boy standing all alone, wouldn’t you stop and take him to the nearest house and ask about him or at least stop and call the police?

@NG-cj4vx

3 жыл бұрын

# Susan Boddie Absolutely 💯agree I would take him to the nearest police station or yes call 911 immediately 🤔

@zivcana1980

3 жыл бұрын

Yes agree 💯 with you. Who ever saw him or said they saw him might know the real truth

@msreneedenice5046

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@majcherj1

3 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t want the body found. That means the evidence on the body will prove he’s lying about how he killed him. Maybe he choked him to death?

Going back to day one. There was some random dude they have never talked about again sleeping on the couch when the cops got there. I assume the coffee table was by the couch, so did this random guy sleep through the kid leaving? Why is no one questioning the lack of information about couch dude?,

Great Judge.

The defendant answers with much more detail than is necessary with the interview questions. I've always heard that that is something detectives tend to attribute to a guilty party; it's like he's hoping the detective will lose his train of thought or something.

Why would they conduct the interview right beside a clothes dryer full of rocks?

@audreysamandler

3 жыл бұрын

😂

@michellededmon6711

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

Difficult to hear the recorded interview clearly.

@colleenlally-ross7105

3 жыл бұрын

Every other case I've watched on KZread the police video & audio tape all the interviews. Its much better to SEE them, don't you think?

@AirQuotes848

3 жыл бұрын

Same with me 👂🏻

@DOLfirst

3 жыл бұрын

@@colleenlally-ross7105 absolutely agree...this is prehistoric...🧐

@colleenlally-ross7105

3 жыл бұрын

You described it perfectly!!

@florenceglenn4627

3 жыл бұрын

What was he doing playing with a chair to mask the audio?

Why don’t police invest in better video and audio recording systems. It’s always useful to have yet so many are hard to understand.

A coffee table table is maybe 2 feet tall. Kid was maybe 3 feet tall and could maybe add another foot reaching over his head. That’s six feet at the very most. Look at where the padlock is on the door when they show it. Waaaay at the top. He’s such a liar.

The child was 4 years old, no child wanders off in the middle of the night alone and disappears into thin air sorry

Strange to watch a trial and know most the people...

@Jewels_8404

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know this poor boys family?

@donnagpalk912

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jewels_8404 Dont know his family but live close to them. I know big Joe's lawyer Jake Lockart.. Absolutely know all these corrupt cops...That's why this trial is messed up..They never found the baby. I know another young man who's like my own son who went missing in rain storm Chad Wiles. Also Jake Lockart was lawyer of Darrin Ring who was bout beat to death from Waverly cops. A video was leaked after cops said Darrin was lying... You can watch our corrupt sherriff & his minions...smh

@majcherj1

3 жыл бұрын

I lived in Dickson in the 90’s. I have some family still there. It is strange to know the roads, the places, schools, the family names. Poor little baby.

@donnagpalk912

3 жыл бұрын

@@majcherj1 And know Jake Lockart the lawyer..so strange

i hear nothing but see the people there

Couldn't understand the audio of Joseph Ray Daniels at all, too muffled..

That my uncleeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!! Steven kennard is my uncle. It's so funny seeing him on there

noticed he always starts to look down at whatever is infront of him or start writing or look away when he feels uncomfortable... GUILTY

poor kids :(

What is that noise at 14:44 😖

At 1:13:26 dad says the incident with Joe peeing on the floor happened at 11:32. Strange that he would give such a specific time.

Has anyone heard anything concerning the parents/grandparents cell phone pings?

@maryb6672

3 жыл бұрын

The grandparents (the defendants parents that lived with them) were out of the state. Based on the pretrial hearings I watched, the state will be calling an expert to testify about both his & the moms cell phones movement, locations, etc.

@colleenlally-ross7105

3 жыл бұрын

@@maryb6672 thank you!! I've been watching this trial and haven't seen or heard anything of evidentiary value ( so far anyhow)

@maryb6672

3 жыл бұрын

@@colleenlally-ross7105 No problem. But don’t hold your breath about the cell phone pings. From what I remember, there wasn’t a ton-although I believe the states expert will say that the defendant was moving around on his property during the night when he claimed to be asleep-like going to the end of the driveway etc. But there wasn’t any evidence that I remember showing him like driving to a forest or bridge etc. or something obvious like that. Honestly, I think the primary evidence will be the confession.

Maybe they gave him too much of whatever the school nurse treated him for at school when he was drugged out of his mind those couple days at school.

Speaking about the child in the past tense….. bc he knows he’s dead!!! Guilty.

Not hearing anything convincing so far.

All I hear are Charlie Brown adults. Wah wah wah wah wah wah. Edit: It does get better.

Has this guy taken a polygraph?

What is he doing scooting a chair around?

If it's really forceful he will start crying. .. when you HIT him he cries?! 🤬

@Jewels_8404

3 жыл бұрын

I caught that too.

@roadie5872

Жыл бұрын

That jumped out at me for sure!

Something is not right about this dad! Sometimes he knows things, and seems when questions gets uncomfortable he refers that someone else may know answer! Like when he was discussing the sleeping arrangements and his attachment to the step mom? (Grandma) Weird!

@samijo4519

3 жыл бұрын

ALL of the children slept in a room with another adult, but the parents had a room all to themselves? Odd.

Where's Liz Lopez on this comment section, asking about a fam mask??? Go ahead Detective!!!

apparantly he also didnt fully believe little joe was his... only adding to more motive

Sheesh...maybe Joe did attempt to go to the truck stop😟 Maybe he WAS picked up by a creep. The dad sounds forthcoming to me.

@onthelake2381

3 жыл бұрын

I' m with you on this. Its no telling the amount of weirdos going threw the truck stop. People confess to things they didn't do all the time. I don't agree with the lead way investagers are given. Hours on end, no sleep, no food, perhaps missing out on taking medication.

@taratrudeau2029

3 жыл бұрын

I really would believe that but the guy confessed to killing his son. Then recanted.......so it gives me all this doubt now

@DOLfirst

3 жыл бұрын

@@taratrudeau2029 look into false confessions...interesting and horrifying

@Cathieemms1

3 жыл бұрын

@@onthelake2381 but his wife also said the same thing.

@rosannemassman4560

3 жыл бұрын

Way too early to say "guilty". I'm taken back to the Riley Fox case (early 2000's), here in my neighborhood. Kevin (father) coerced, confessed, faced death row, exonerated, and the REAL killer caught.

You have to wonder why BOTH he and his wife would say Dad killed him. Auntie also said Joe was dead. I don’t believe the little 5 year old wondered off. He would be frightened in the dark.

@NG-cj4vx

3 жыл бұрын

I'm wondering if he got outside other times as the defendant stated. If your child has Autism just wondering why there wasn't an alarm of sorts on all doors...You can never be to careful with kids that have difficulties. So sad 😞 and I don't buy the story he got the key off a shelf, moved the table, stood on table and removed a pad lock got down and threw the lock in the toy box. Just left without shoes and it was cold...Nope something smells fishey about this version of the story. JMO

@Annie-so3cb

3 жыл бұрын

@@NG-cj4vx no body asked you to by the story. 🤦‍♀️ Autistic children are very smart.

@pamelafulks582

3 жыл бұрын

@@Annie-so3cb rude.

@Fern635

3 жыл бұрын

From my understanding, when an autistic person bolts, it's due to a fight or flight response, usually brought about by sensory overload or overwhelming emotions. It's the same stimuli that might lead another autistic person to stim, or to hide, or to melt down. The important point, is that the person is in a high state of agitation when this happens. They are typically not able to concentrate well enough to form plans or carry out complex behaviours like moving furniture to reach and open a padlock, especially if these are skills that would be difficult even under ideal conditions. That's something a neurotypical child might do if they're sad or angry, but it's not something an autistic child would normally do if they're in crisis and wanting to bolt.

@carlyates5382

3 жыл бұрын

But no child that age wanders off in the dark alone in the middle of the night and disappears into thin air sorry

He didn't clean up the urine on the floor??

@teatimedrinker1

2 жыл бұрын

I hope he did I actually thought that too when he said it and then just said he went back to bed.

I want to know why they didn't want him to read Joe Clyde's psychoeducational report.

@samijo4519

3 жыл бұрын

Bet that’s a lie. That’s Dad’s excuse for not reading it.

@MrsMrMoney

3 жыл бұрын

I want to know too!

The female detective is so full of herself, in this trial, it's a good thing..

Oops caught you in a lie….

This dad seems to know nothing about his child.. “he might get scared, or maybe not..” “he might cry when he gets hurt, but he might not” “sometimes noises scared him, but maybe not…” I just don’t get the feeling that he cared about that boy at all. No emotion. None.

@scorp6996

3 жыл бұрын

Ye leaving so many untied uncertainties because he wants to leave room for lies......or.... maybe not.........🤔

@teatimedrinker1

2 жыл бұрын

This was the day he was Called and missing I believe. 9 o’clock in the evening. So, this could be nerves. People act differently under stress. I have a feeling this guy does a lot of mumbling and stumbling when he talks. And his accent for me because I’m not southern, I do find a little bit hard to understand. And of course let’s not forget this recording of a recording of a recording

So when did he confess? Was that a different interview/interrogation?

@launderedcotton8070

3 жыл бұрын

It was a couple days after this interview. I'm sure it will be shown in the trial, probably right at the end of the prosecution's case.

@amyc3579

3 жыл бұрын

@@launderedcotton8070 thank you!

I wonder: he said his wife got up at some point between 1:xx am and 5:30am(The times are mine, but that is when he said she got up at some point after him). Did he say that at 5:xx am he got up, saw the coffee table by the door- he went in his car and went up the road ( like the detective said video showed). To check I suppose… I don’t know anything about his wife and I haven’t seen anything in regards to a trial for her(as it looks like they’re going to be separate? Was she even arrested?). Now I’m beginning to wonder if he may not be SO guilty. At least not the main protagonist

Way too early to say "guilty". I'm taken back to the Riley Fox case (early 2000's), here in my neighborhood. Kevin (father) coerced, confessed, faced death row, exonerated, and the REAL killer caught.

@carlyates5382

3 жыл бұрын

So you keep saying in every video lol

@Jewels_8404

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlyates5382 live and let live. People will comment what they want and 99% of them won’t care what you think.

Mostly mumbling, so distracting!