You're comparing a welded boat (Grizzly) to a riveted boat (Alumacraft), hence the higher price and thicker hull material in the Grizzly. A better comparison would've been the Alumacraft MV1650TL which is a welded Jon boat.

@greygoose117

2 жыл бұрын

True welded vs riveted. That’s why the hull is thicker and double the price. Also the alumacraft has a max hp of 35 but they said they put a 30 on it? Something is confusing and isn’t adding up on the engine for that one

@ScottyBeen1000

2 жыл бұрын

This is douche nozzle doesn't even know what welded or riveted means

@austinwiita7593

2 жыл бұрын

@@greygoose117 Suzuki doesn’t make a 35hp motor. 30 or 40.

A perfect series for the average fella's like me. Great idea Andy

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

We've been getting so many comments on how people wanna see some reviews on rigs that don't cost 70k new. Here ya go and we're glad you are enjoying it.

Through my recent deep dive into these exact boats, lots of stuff like this are popping up. 2 years since you did this, shit is still relevant today, not aged a minute. I've studied and compared everything out there on the market I can come across and the Griz 1648, which is dead nuts on what I want, it wins all day long. Keep building it the same way and don't change. It's perfect in that slot where it fits. And it's built to last. I've had a couple Trackers, currently a Tourney 170 bass boat and I'm looking for my last downsize that I can go anywhere with elec or 9.9 (secretly 20) Suzi on those under 10 lakes. and, still get there on the bigger ones in a blaze. very cool to discover all you cats in the tiny boat craze, super cool and lot of education!

Who ya guys got in this match up? The Tracker or the Alumacraft? What tiny tins do you wanna see square off next?

@Basshole51

3 жыл бұрын

G3, Sea-ark, Triton, all-weld

@lesliebuckley1723

3 жыл бұрын

Havoc

@chrishampton8842

3 жыл бұрын

Much as I hate all things tracker gotta go with the grizzly

@evanshillcoxfishing7929

3 жыл бұрын

Andy why no go with the Tracker Classic xl to me your in that same price range plus your getting a 50hp and carpet storage and stuff?

@leojeidy1143

3 жыл бұрын

Cool series 😎!

I bought a tracker Grizzly 1860 jon with a mercury 60 hp four stroke EFI power trim tiller boat trailer package for $14,500 in 2019. In 2013 I bought a tracker Grizzly 1754 jon with a mercury 25 hp EFI pull start manual trim boat trailer package for $8,500. They gone way up in price these days with the inflation.

Go further down the rabbit hole with some 14/36 Jon Boat stuff with 15 hp and under. The stuff you drag down to the pond with no ramp or haul in your truck bed. Love this new series

for 20k im getting a used 21ft glass already rigged. ive had 2 bass trackers, and loved both of them. had 16 and 19ft. bought both lightly used. 16ft was riveted, $4500, 19 was welded, $8500. both were tanks. currently fishing out of a 07 triton 186tr that i love as well. paid 13k for it

Nice job dude! love this! keep em coming.

Thank you love it.

Tiny tins, lol. I never thought I would see the day that Team Marine Service would do this topic. Thanks guys!

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 Glad your diggin the new series

I like the new series. I have a 2021 bass tracker classic xl. I love the boat easy too handle. Especially since i fish by myself all the time.

I am running a Lowe 1648 MT 1995 and run a 2004 30hp Johnson my Lowe weight was under 300lbs when new. Ideally a .080 hull with a .100 transom would be ideal. I paid $1200 for my Lowe in 1995 and I fish and Duck Hunt out of it and Duck hunting is hard on a boat. Just FYI get one stuck in the mud and you would not want a 600 lbs boat to hand pull out. Yes I have done this several times in my life. I do not abuse my gear because when hunting the Mississippi River around thanksgiving water temp 34F air temp in the teens 17-19F in the morning when launching you want to go out and come home at the end of day.

Great new series Team!! That Alumascrap is a tin can

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! 👍🏻👍🏻

@garywest2250

3 жыл бұрын

Debatable

This is awesome I love my Havoc tin boat thank you for doing this.

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Havoc's are nice, however we have seen some fit and finish issues as of late. Still solid rigs overall

@leaveorlibertyfishing7670

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeamMarineService Completely agree I have owned two the first one fit an finish could’ve been a lot better the one I currently have was put together much better.

I have a 2012 Alumacraft 1648 Mv (console) with 2018 Tohatsu 30 hp. It has served me well so far with no issues. Alumacraft has now been sold out to a marine company in Canada. I personally don't like the Tracker brand because of the lack of customer service / warranty when problems arise with their boats. Thanks for the videos.

Awesome vid, these style boats are massive down in Australia. With so many manufacturers out there a videos like these would have saved me months of homework before I bought my new tinnie last month, sick videos 👍🏻

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joshua and hello from the US. What tin rig did ya end up going with?

@joshkrutli

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeamMarineService I ended up going with a 4.2m Quintrex explorer punt, Married it up with a 40hp Suzuki big tiller, salt water min Kota and a helix sounder. Killer rig

Nice break down of both boats. I have the Alumacraft and I put a mud motor on it and came out way cheaper. I didn't get a new trailer for $1400 but I did get one for $350. I think in all I have about $3000 into my boat with motor and trailer. Yes my boat is used but a good used one. Just have to shop around.

Love it

Was in the market for a tin boat back first of the year. Really liked the Grizzly series. Wanted a slightly bigger one. Side console with a sixty Hp. You don't find many on the used market. If you do they are gold. You are spot on about the resale value. Grizzly may be the best boats Tracker sells. I'm sure they will find a way to screw that up. Ended up with a 2018 175 TF Tracker W/60hp. Got it for a very fair price. Well,,,,, it floats, and I ain't fishing from the hill no mo' !

The grizzly is full of high density foam, which adds a lot of weight.

Great video guys!!! I have listened to all of them. I'm a tracker guy but I know what you mean.

Tiny tins!! For the win!! Keep them coming! Sea Ark, Express, gator trax, etc etc! !!

Awesome! Thanks Andy. Lowe Skorpion 17 vs Tracker Pro 170 I’d like to see you do.

I probably could get 5 years out of the alumicraft but its because im not on the water often

Seaark vs G3

good job

@TeamMarineService

2 ай бұрын

Thanks Tim

I wanna do a tracker build, seems like people are getting 30mph out of them with a 30hp motor. just want something that’s going to be cheap to maintain cheap to tow and easy to fix. Bass boats are just to expensive and you have to worry about so many things on a fiberglass boat. I get that it’s stable and once in the water it’s going to be much more comfortable but I like the thought of having everything new and not having to worry about being broken down on a used boat.

You may want to revise your thoughts when it comes to tracker grizzlies after watching tricked tins rebuild I was shocked I may not consider putting my money into a waterlogged boat

Great boat for the money, I’ve got a 1860 grizzly center console. Handles rough water fine when goin saltwater fishing for reds to fishing shallow for hydrilla Gorillaz in the grass mats on a 🐸. Lol great all around boat.

@hogisretired1

3 жыл бұрын

Cameron, I agree, my 08' Grizzly 1860 CC with 40HP Merc has never failed me since I bought it new. I have filled in area between the console and front deck in for more storage and front deck room and have seriously dented the bottom on stumps but yet to break a weld of punch a hole it it. Bass or Reds it's great for fishing and duck hunting here in Eastern North Carolina is right on track for this boat. Thinking seriously about buying a 2070 and building that for my next boat. Of course I'd keep the 1860 too.

If Tracker can make those 14 and 12-footers with .10thick material, it will sell like hotcakes. People who graduate from Kayaks don't have a decent option yet. Not everybody wants to own a trailer.

My Tracker Griz 1754 was a really nice boat, Tracker Jon boats are really well built boats.

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome!

I had a 1648 grizzley. And I beat that boat till it broke 2 welds on the hull. I took it back to the dealer (almost 4 years old now) they looked at it and had their guys strip it and pull it off the trailer. Put a new one on the trailer, rig it and I was home 3 hours later.

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Kudos to that dealer, who was it and where?

@toddlake8791

2 жыл бұрын

@@TeamMarineService Whit's marine if ft smith Arkansas.

@mriphone1000

2 жыл бұрын

I bought my 1648 tracker used years ago, it oil canned broke like over a dozen hull welds. I just opened the bottom put 9 6061 t6 extruded structural aluminum braces down on the spine and many extra support pieces down. Paid a professional tig welder to weld in the braces etc. The boat won't ever need to be worked on again, it's built like a tank. These early grizzleys have major design flaws, the head engineer of structural design must have been drinking a lot. Glad I didn't give up and just sell my boat or scrap it.

@toddlake8791

2 жыл бұрын

@@mriphone1000 they had in issue with the machine that pushed the braces into the hull. The machine left a gap and it got welded up. It was a 2010 year related issue on mine.

@toddlake8791

2 жыл бұрын

@@mriphone1000 but they actually replaced it before they were aware of the build issue. I was taking to Butch about it at a tournament and he was like " Hey remember when........"

I have a tracker grizzly 1754, fish with it, hunt with it and bang it up and down the Mississippi river and love it!! Perfect for what I use it for.

I’ve caught some monster bass out of Jon boats

How about a compare with the Tracker Grizzly to a comparable SeaArk aluminum boat...you did a great job on this comparison...

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Good idea!

Time for another! Alweld Blazer SS and South Fork. Time for a tiny tins JET episode

I got the alumacraft 1860 alweld with a 115 Yamaha 2 stroke and my boat don’t leak a drop of water and has no broken welds

I have an alumacraft MV1648 and have won multiple Wednesday nighters, by myself, against teams with 250 pro XS' in Ranger/Phoenix boats. I have a 50hp e-tec and an ultrex 80. If you see me flipping undercut banks/bushes on the upper Mississippi river, set a waypoint bc I'm on em!

@whitetrashgarage8110

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 1648MV as well. Built a side console for it and have an older Johnson 50 on it. Run close to 40mph. I'm about to get a new Tohatsu 50 or 60 (lighter than the most current 50 e-tec). I try to take it easy in the rough stuff because it's just hard on everything. Even a welded boat I'd take it just as easy. It is a stiff little boat, even at top speed nothing is flexing. And I don't just fish out of it, it's my duck boat and we get rough on them sometimes. Don't regret my boat at all!

The lighter riveted boat has its place. Specially if your gonna use it on hp restricted lakes. Or electric only lakes Just sayin it's not always a bad thing.... riveted boats aren't bad. I have an 35 yr old riveted Grumman....doesn't leak a drop...doesn't flex. Perfectly balanced

I bought a brand new 1754 grizzly in 2011 the idea of the boat is awesome put a 4 foot deck extension added a rod locker and 2 tackle storage compartments with one sheet of plywood and some sheet aluminum kept it light added a very small simple console and a used 50ph 4 stroke I love the idea, layout and how cheap it is to run but the boat has cracked many times on the hull, the transom, and the stringers in the boat as well. I don’t purposely run the piss out of the boat when it’s rough I slow down. The quality of the welds is absolutely crap. If I could do it over again I’d try to find a better built boat and probably an 1860 for more stability.

@ryanmeyers1773

3 жыл бұрын

I believe the older boats were built better the 04 to -08 ish grizzlys. They had a different structure than the newer boats

But if you go with the grizzly that already has a trailer and motor you come in cheaper. And you get a little side console driving position. Then just add your extras and you'll be about 18.5 to 19

I bought my grizzly 1648 in 2018 for 1,999$ boat only trailer was 999$ Suzuki 30hp was around 4k minn kota 45 lb 12v was about 150$ no spot lock and it doesnt work well on windy days. Got a helix 5 no GPS for around 350$. Prices on the grizzly has doubled the past few years.Good small lake and river boat. I sunk mine on lake Erie. It won't sink but I did fill it up with water. Not good for big waves. Got it very clean back at the boat dock took an hour for all the water to drain out.

You tha best 😎 tell them like it is 🤣😂

I'm in market for some electronics. I'm a kayak angler, I have a pedal drive so I have plenty of room. I'm leaning towards a solix 10gn3 & adding mega 360. Id rather have muti touch & it b worth extra cost over helix. I do like the echomap ultra 106 as well & I could add the Lvs34. But with the Bird I could have 360 then add mega live down the road too.This will b my first graph, though I do have plenty of exsperiance playing with them mostly Lowrance & Garmin's.Any suggestions & why?? Thanks

Please do one on the larger deep v comparison like 185 trophies or something . Single hull verse Alumicrafts double hull ?

I like your videos Sir! I own a 2018 Tracker Grizzly 1448 MXV with a 2018 Evinrude E- tec 25 short shaft. It will do 28mph with two fat guys and over 30 mph with 1 person! The boat is rock solid no flex THE hull is solid. I have about 11 grand invested total. WITH helix 9 & 55 lbs thrust Minn Kota, AND EZ loader galvinzed trailer. The boat is cool also because its 5 feet wide! I would love to hear your thoughts.

Polar Kraft #1. Only thing set it up all tin boats like it was set up like a bass boat. Had 16 foot polar Kraft and 80lbs trolling motor and wouldn't handle Mississippi when river was high water. When i got 110lbs thrust then was i business and spot locked was a different world of fishing. I beat the hell out of my polar kraft between duck hunting and fishing and at the end of the day I knew it wouldn't brake and wasn't scare of rough water. Where I run my gambler in for rough water I would run my polar Kraft. Only different is my ass got kick and gambler has a nice ride.

I had an aluminum Sea Nymph growing up, 14' with a 50hp Johnson on the back and we beat the snot out of that boat. Then as an adult I went Glass, but my last one aggravated me so I bad I haven't bought another boat since. My son wanted a boat so I found a used Lund 16', We are going to build it up for Walleye and Bass. I would appreciate the links to the accessories Thanks.

In your opinion what's the best 1648 out there? or boat around that size.

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Calling Gator Trax and having a custom 16' tin rig made is just about the only one we can 100% stand behind

Funny enough I’m watching this video as I put flex tape over a leaky rivot in my 2013 alumacraft!

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣 How ironic!

Yay! Tracker finally wins!

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

Pop the champagne bottles Trackers on top! Haha

That’s crazy that the 16 foot tracker with that stuff is 19 when they have the 18 foot 150 hp tournament series with Livewell 24 V min Kota compartments consul electronics decks for the same price with trailer everything

Tracker is a much less quality boat than Alumacraft hands down. Get a boat where you can get warranty work done. They all will need it. Just how far you will have to drive for it.

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of truth there. We don't know about the quality comment though. To us they are both fighting for the bottom spot in our opinion

Always compare the boat warranties.

Tiny tin series Havoc vs Edge

Lots of alwelds around here with 40 tohatsu fishing bayous and marshes. Very strong and customizable boat.

I've had an alumacraft 12 foot jon boat since 1993 that I've beat the living shit out of since the day I bought it duck hunting and fishing the Hudson River and lake champlain and it still dont leak a drop around any of the rivets and I haven't punched any holes in it yet

What about the Crestliner?

I would like to see other 0.100 gauge aluminum Jon boats. That tracker grizzley is there top of line Jon boat . So compare with other like weld craft or all weld or Lowe roughneck they are other .100 Guage or .125 Guage . I bought a Lowe 10 ft. It has .56 gauge. I was looking for something light weight I could carry . It weighs 80 pounds . But hears the downside bought it last year already leaks cause I abuse my stuff hit rocks trees drag it on concrete Just beat it up paid 800 for it .

Here is my boat. Alumicraft MV 1648 (new $2100) Suzuki 20 hp motor(new $3100) trailer(used $450) hummingbird fish/depth finder plus gps ($230) Trolling motor and battery new $350) Total $6230. I'm glad this guy is not my accountant Riveted vs welded. Give me riveted every time. Popped rivet. $2.00 fix . Cracked weld. minimum of $200 fix and at least a week down time. This is my second alumicraft and have never had a problem with any of them. You cant do a comparison between 2 totally different boats. Alumicraft does have a welded jon boat that is still $1800 cheaper that the gizzly

Seaark predator vs the SJX boat

How long have you worked for Tracker?

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Johnny would never get us! In reality both rigs are the bottom of the barrel

I have a 07 grizzly1648. Hope you like cracked ribs on a lightly used boat. I dont know about alumacraft. Just talked to neighbor down the cove with new tracker bass boat. Says he has 14 different leaks in it. Just trying to pass along some truth.

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Wow that's terrible! Thank you for spreading the info Stan!

Tracker classic xl is cheaper, longer, carpeted and has a steering wheel for cheaper

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

They can keep that steering wheel, we want a tiller set up for this.

$8700 for a 40 hp motor! Are you serious clark! Is that pandemic pricing or what they always cost.

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

It's the suggested retail price from Suzuki with the small tiller handle. We sell them for less at the shop

How do you really feel Andy? 0.075 is very thin

@TeamMarineService

3 жыл бұрын

Too thin

Having dealt with Tracker's customer service I would warn everyone not to buy a Tracker and I would not buy the thinner aluminum Alumacraft either. Who wins, either manufacturer that cons consumers into buying either of these boats!

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Tell everyone what your customer service experience was like so they know! Thanks buddy

@binkwood

2 жыл бұрын

Back in the late 80's I bought a Tracker TX-17 with a 45hp Mariner. After one season of use the boat started leaking. I took it back to my dealer and replaced a missing rivet and siliconed two loose rivets. The following season I developed a rip in the aluminum. Called the dealer and they said to call Tracker. Tracker said to bring the boat to Missouri (I live in Michigan). I took it to Missouri and they TIG welded the rip and all the leaky rivets which at that time was about six. The following season I developed another rip in the aluminum, called Tracker and they basically told me I was on my own. To sue a company across state lines costs way more money that you could ever recover, no lawyer would take the case on contingency so it became obvious to me I was just fucked! Moral of the story, don't buy on the cheap, and Tracker does NOT stand behind their products and I would highly recommend people avoid their products. As a side note, the local guy I got to TIG weld any issues I had told me the boat did not have enough bracing and the hull was flexing and that was what was making the aluminum rip and the rivets to become stressed.

Hard to believe you used to be able to buy a rigged glass boat for that price. It has become a rich man's game

What going on with the champ

And no one sells a 35 hp outboard so you would still be 5 hp below the max rating😂

I love you so much Andy you damn yankee In a not gay kinda way...

Pretty insane how cheap everything is in murica land… that exact alumacraft is 6000,- in euro’s.. thats about 7000 dollars ish?

Well it’s pretty obvious you’re jot a fan of Alumacraft. Also would have made sense to compare the welded versions.. the Grizzly is the most notorious boat for having horrible craftsmanship. I have had both and prefer an Alumacraft. Tainted review IMO

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Both are garbage in our true opinion

I don’t see the budget…..If this is budget I will sell my 97 all matching 270z hydra sport w/150 hp Johnson (signed by chris janson) and trailer 97 near mint condition. Serviced every year with 1 yr old batteries, 3 bank charger 7ti at console with side and down, 7 ti at bow with down matched up to a 4 mo. Old motorguide pro tour with built in transducer. Both graphs has full navionic for entire us. Replaced trailer wheel bearings and tires last year. Paid 2800 for trolling motor alone, does have spot lock. Beautiful boat. Drafts shallow. Have had it in 18”’of water. $30k and it’s yours. Lol

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

If it was signed by Toby Keith we'd shake on it right now! Hahaha

Alumacrafts don't break. I've never seen an aluminum boat break. Compare the speed and gas mileage. I have an old 16 V Hull StarCraft SS. It's riveted lightweight alum as well. It glides with my 30 HP Suzuki.

@TeamMarineService

Жыл бұрын

Google it James! ;) They all break

@mrwho2118

Жыл бұрын

Google tracker v hulls cracking! On thier tourny boats no less!!

Just remove the foam from the tracker they get water logged bad

Tracker voids warranty on aluminum boats if you use them in salt or briny water. It’s buried in their warranty claims. Alumacraft does not care where you use their boats. I owned an alumacraft V 14 for 30 years with no.issues with salt water, briny water or even fresh water. It’s not the thickness it’s the grade of aluminum used. I used mine on gravel bed and beach on the ocean, rocks in Lakes and rivers all over southern USA. I hit a lot of rocks on rivers and dragged it over gravel and sand on the beach. It bent bottom a little but fixed real easy with a hammer and piece of plywood. It took me all around key west and survived on the hook. You can keep your Trackers cause I ain’t buying one from a manufacturer that hides it’s exclusions. Something is wrong with a boat the mfg does not trust In saltwater…

@solarfry

2 жыл бұрын

Tracker aluminum rusts in salt water.

Man I could get a ranger rt 178 for close to that price, or a half way decent old used glass boat

@royheape6872

3 жыл бұрын

The Tracker 175's are $26,000 to $28,000 now, same boat just not as pretty.

@jasonkeidel7454

2 жыл бұрын

🍎🍊 buy what you can afford and get your kids out on the water.

2022 tracker grizzly 1754 with trailer & regerstering $7200 (including Tax) 2022 mercury 50HP outboard $6350 (including tax) Ghost trolling motor $3250 3x battle born 100ah 12v batteries $2400 Dakota Lithium starting battery $600 lowrance HDS 12 Live 3 in 1 $3000 total $22800 if minnkota had a brushless motor i would have that setup with the humming bird.. but they dont so i went with lowrance..

@TeamMarineService

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thanks for your input on what you got. Where in the country are ya from?

You started off great then went off the reservation for electronics and trolling motor.. 🤦‍♂️😂 average person not gonna buy a graph cost almost what the boat did lol they'll put a $4-500 graph and about the same for a 12V trolling motor. Just being honest bud lol you wanna do a budget tin boat, do a real poor man budget tin boat 🤷

Why are you dogging the Alumacraft with your "scrap" comments? Okay watched the rest of your vid...you just don't like Alumacraft.

Whew. Not a lot of value in this kind of video.