"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, except in politics, social media, cable news, church services, to deflect blame or to obtain money provided it is in God's name."

@mikereseigh

2 жыл бұрын

Thou shalt not steal , bear false witness or covet thy neighbors wife.....unless you can get away with it. The new faith.

@goobergoob1281

Жыл бұрын

Why won’t these Bulwark grifters ever go after Jizzlam ?

@RevSinkiller

6 ай бұрын

​@@goobergoob1281 17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? (1Pet 4:17-18 KJV)

@HeavyInstinct

6 ай бұрын

​@@goobergoob1281I'll go after any religion. Because they are all the same thing. Completely made up nonsense. However the most immediate domestic threat to the United States is CHRISTIAN nationalism. One only needs to watch a sermon from the likes of people like Kenneth Copeland, Greg Locke, "Kent Christmas" or Shane Vaughn to see how and where extremist groups and domestic terrorists are getting radicalized. It's in their churches.

@robinhood20253

6 ай бұрын

​@@RevSinkillerthe buybull is bs

This was one of my favorite Bulwark podcasts yet. I'm not christian and I have near zero connection to this community, so this was both eye-opening and alarming.

@goobergoob1281

Жыл бұрын

Bulwark sellouts are grifters and frauds

And people wonder why the young are leaving the church in droves....Tax the churches

@pjpredhomme7699

2 жыл бұрын

exactly - they think they are persecuted -and all anyone wants is to get as far away from them as possible

@promomail1768

2 жыл бұрын

History shows when church unites with the power of the state the church become the persecutors. We have a lot to fear from this union.

@paulaarchuleta8684

6 ай бұрын

Yet many churches are helping homeless, feeding the poor and are apart of community. Not everyone who goes to church are MAGA, most see what Drumpf is all about and want nothing to do with “Don the Con”.

I don't see what Evangelicals want as Religious Freedom. I see it as Religious Exceptionalism. They want what they want and they could care less what I want or even NEED!

@mikereseigh

2 жыл бұрын

They want the freedom to oppress others they don't like and any efforts to stop that is an affront to them. You are oppressing them by wanting the same human rights they enjoy.

@americandirt7834

2 жыл бұрын

Give me my abortions up to 5 weeks after birth!

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

"Religious" Imperialism.

@reverendbarker650

Жыл бұрын

You've got to be JUST like them , no room for compromises, or its burning at the stake time.

@justiceforall6412

6 ай бұрын

​@@americandirt7834LMAO!!!!

American capacity for self delusion is boundless. Believing the unbelievable has always been a feature of Christianity but it’s getting harder for young people to buy into it and that’s causing the great fear and insecurity we see today.

The two pastors- one is obviously an attention-seeking grifter who didn’t want to lose his paycheck during Covid, the other a sincere life-long follower of Christ who has integrity and wants to bring people together. It’s a shame the grifter was awarded with fame, notoriety, and riches.

I know evangelicals in the late nineties that were just as convinced that they were being persecuted without any reason. Cults thrive on persecution so they had to invent it.

I hope that church is going to loose it’s tax exemption.

@paulaarchuleta8684

6 ай бұрын

Church’s also feed the poor, clothes the homeless and help others in time of crisis too.

@robinhood20253

6 ай бұрын

​@@paulaarchuleta8684well they can take that off their taxes.

Simultaneously those "religions" claim to be the majority AND persecuted.

Amazing! I have a similar background in the church and I can’t wrap my head around how evangelicals support Trump. I saw the overwhelming power fights and mind bending hypocrisy!

I grew up in a loving Missouri Synod Lutheran church, attended its primary school. I'm close to 70. Four siblings voted for Trump. Since I didn't, you can guess what they think about me. At this point, I never want to step in a church again. Religiously, I don't know what I am. Probably a skeptic, maybe agnostic. Some things you can't stop the practices you learn as a child. I still pray for good to overcome evil. It doesn't appear good is winning.

@yurei8

6 ай бұрын

I was raised in a Missouri Synod Lutheran church, which was an all black church as well. In my adult life around my late thirties, I became a Religious Scientist. One thing that attracted me to them was thier acceptance of other religions, as different paths toward the same goal; enlightenment, or heavenly consciousness. I consider myself as 'fighting for the good'. But, I also consider that some christians might hate me. But I will cite an example of my thinking. Jesus said; "No one can get to the Father except by me." . I take this as meaning, the behaviors, attitudes and actions, that he taught, rather than just saying his name a lot, of even worship, (without actions) and praise. Worship and praise are good things, but one also needs corresponding actions. And others, who are not devout christians might have behaviors that are more Christ-like than some more direct worshippers.

@nebuloushammer8773

6 ай бұрын

I know what that's like. My Mom was shamed by the church when they discovered that she was pro choice, so we left. It still doesn't make any sense to me that a Lutheran church could be so dogmatic and not accepting. I was really surprised when I discovered the existence of ELCA. Seems like that one matches with my faith way better.

@annakingry9157

6 ай бұрын

Yes, easy to understand your siblings, Trump being so Bible believing, moral, Christlike...Trump's the worst person possible!

@harrietharlow9929

5 ай бұрын

Like you, I was raised Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, though eventually found my spiritual home in Eastern Orthodoxy. We certainly were not raised to be as hateful and domineering as many Evangelicals. The thing that frightens me is that they want to dominate and force their version of Christianity on the rest of us. They still don't seem able to "get" (or don't want to "get"--take your pick) Jesus when said "My Church is not of this world". I don't understand the persecution complex amongst them. The simple truth is that Christians in the United States are NOT persecuted. IMO, some Christians seem to feel they are justified in persecuting others. And taking up for Trump is just insane. A man who said he's never asked God for forgiveness because he's never done anything to ask forgiveness for. A man who certainly doesn't live a Christian life. Where Jesus asked God to forgive those who killed Him, they thirst for retribution and revenge. I fear them more than any radical Muslim group because of their numbers. There are hundreds of thousands of these people who have no connection to real Christianity but instead want to force Christijihad on the rest of us.

@harrietharlow9929

5 ай бұрын

@@annakingry9157 He is but he hates all the same people his cult members do.

I read the article last night. This is so scary, but so eye opening.

Well, my experience of evangelicals is that most of them don't really live in the same universe as non believers , so its no surprise that they are easily lead into madness,because in many ways their entire lives have been comprised of being taught they are blessed and different, so they really they are PRIMED to accept any old codswallop from spiritual leaders. Christianity has a long history of persecution, its adherents are either being persecuted or or are busy persecuting non believers or fellow christians who don't believe EXACTLY what they believe. My devout catholic relatives in the US used to go build houses for Mexicans, but are now huge trump supporters and anti vaxxers.

@rossr6616

6 ай бұрын

"Codswallop" 😂 I've always wondered what was inside a Codpiece, now I know!

To understand better the current Evangelical/Fundamentalist movement and their alliance with Trump and other right-wing political allies, I suggest reading Kristin Kobes Du Mez's book, Jesus and John Wayne. Kristin is a historian who teaches at Calvin College. She has taken a deep and historically rooted dive into this movement.

@dawnalawrence6584

6 ай бұрын

This seems to have started with Rondald Reagan's first term. At least that's when I saw it surfacing in the churches in my home town.

@janinelemieux3099

5 ай бұрын

Fundie Friday podcast does good deep dive evangelical fundamentals churches. Even the documentary called shiny people is good too.

They created what they have feared. There was a place for them in the spectrum of religion in this country but the hardline imposition of evangelical culture onto all other people, Essentially denying all other freedoms of religion but their own. They are frightening.

@shaunmcisaac782

2 жыл бұрын

Tyranny of the 5%

@americandirt7834

2 жыл бұрын

Gosh! I spent the last 10 years in a Mainline Protestant church--exactly the type of church that the more conservative wing broke off of decades ago to galvanize and add numeric heft to the Evangelical movement. Somehow, amazingly, this mainline protestant church is still allowed to function amidst Evangelical hegemony. And even though Mainline Protestantism won't be around much longer (their increasingly woke congregations seem incapable of procreating), that will be what finally does them in...not Evangelicals "denying all other freedoms of religion but their own". Exactly the sort of take I expect from the Bulwark. Which why nobody watches it.

@jnagarya519

2 жыл бұрын

@@americandirt7834 Clue: Christ was "woke" -- aware above the muck and mire of earthly materialism. Conversely, your hostility is anti-"Christian".

@gcs7817

2 жыл бұрын

The Sons of Gilead was an evangelical sect... the GOP/evangelicals will install their version of Gilead upon the USA after 2024

@promomail1768

2 жыл бұрын

Narrow is the road to heaven and few will enter. Majority status not the best possible position.

My Episcopal church is nothing like this. It‘s a small and loving church where our congregation and our priest have great respect and concern about one another and the community. It‘s located in a small town North of Seattle, Washington and is a wonderful and supportive church to worship in. ❤

The Catholic Supreme Court is loving it.

@Kakra61

4 ай бұрын

The Supreme Court is not Catholic. It's Republican, and there's a huge difference

@jonmeador8637

4 ай бұрын

@@Kakra61 No difference. They're using their jobs to benefit the Catholic Church. The Founders wept!

Thanks Charlie and Tim This is very Enlightening

The model had always been: stay out of politics and be untaxed. The same thing has been happening with right-wing non-profits.

It was already poison to begin with.

Important topic, great conversation!

Charlie, Wanted to give a shout out, though I will always confess to be late to the current buffet. I'm listening to this show in the Spring of 2023 and am thinking, Holy Smoke, is this country way more f**ked than I imagined? Is it, as I've long suspected, that Christianity no longer has a place in... the religious life of this country? Think about that - is Christianity a pseudo-spirituality, a pretend morality? My sense is that is a rhetorical question at present. I think it captures the current social/political challenges. And it doesn't bode well.

And there shall be a great profit - throughout the land .

Why do they think that a God who is all those "OMNI's" need them? If their God really is all-powerful HE ought to be able to "whip the US into any shape he wants" all on His own, shouldn't he?

@promomail1768

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not God’s mission instead it’s to, preach the gospel to the poor, to bind up the wounds of the broken hearted, to free us from sin and darkness.

@RealityMatters343

Жыл бұрын

@@promomail1768 Yay! He can start with his own people then.

Kristin du Mez has done some good work on the subject, too.. goes a little further back in time, tho.. her interviews are worth checking...

great discussion. I saw a documentary on QANON. some southern evangelical pastors were concerned about losing members to that conspiracy. could be some through line.

Fighting the secular world = fighting reality

This is what Jesus warned about; Jesus said mix with the outcasts, those set aside by common society as worthless and the lowest rung of perceived “sinners” because they may have tragic reasons to be “the dregs of humankind”. Listen to the GOP speak of America’s homeless, poor and isolated ethnic groups and notice how Fundamentalist pastors preach about “us” and”we” as being “special” and “blessed” and exclusive as “the chosen”. I personally believe the Prosperity Gospel changed many of these evangelicals and I have siblings in this category whose behavior changed remarkably with the tone of this particular theory.

@conniegrant939

5 ай бұрын

Their god is racist unlike 👎🏾 the teachings of Jesus Christ.

The greatest contribution that Gen Z can give to the world is to turn their backs on the church and not look back. You don't need an organization to practice selflessness, generosity, and compassion. Churches don't hold the licenses for living a caring life.

@conniegrant939

5 ай бұрын

People did great before the establishment of religion and didn’t destroy themselves We can think for ourselves

I stick to the preaching of John Prine and "try to find jesus on my own".

Didn’t know this podcast was on YT. Been a longtime listener with my podcast app. Charlie is one of those sensible Republicans who hasn’t gone off the rails, like Liz Cheney, and he’s an outspoken critic of Trump, too.

@michaelkurchak5427

Жыл бұрын

All you can ask for is for honesty , thank you Charlie

@afreezaphorogiancossack2194

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, just one thing, I don't see Chaney as being off the rails.

During the late 1960s many "Hippy" acid (LSD) heads became "Jesus Freaks".

It amazes me that evangelicals can be so steeped in revelations and yet gloss over the “For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.” The “elect“ bit means them. Not the electorate.

Radical left?? Give me a break!

@Spock_Rogers

6 ай бұрын

Wanting Americans to be healthy and educated is pretty radical.

@harrietharlow9929

5 ай бұрын

@@Spock_Rogers Actually, I'd consider that a bedrock virtue.

Although I pray in Jesus' name, I believe He would be horrified at what is going on in His name. For instance, one of our local churches recently announced classes for concealed weapons certification at the church on a local Facebook page. When someone commented "Concealed weapons classes at the church!! lol," about 10 other comments came down on her like a ton of bricks for daring to say such a thing!

There was a lot of sheep dogging that went on by the Republican party, conservative groups, and catholic groups like National Right to Life on the evangelical church. For protestants, the life of the mother was paramount over the life of the baby because of the concern for the other children and the family. In the 1980s freshly baptized, as I worked, I would listen to the religious radio station which had at that time good teachers who were pretty much apolitical. Those guys it was the bible as the central part of your spiritual journey. Slowly those stations got bought out and "the programming" got more political with people like Dobson and Randall Terry some I recall. In the background theologically, Francis Schaeffer's theology was being pushed by Roman catholic Paul Weyrich and the reform theology of R.J. Rushdoony. With the latter, his theology is probably why so many Freewill religious groups and ministers have taken on Calvinism. They also took on Dominionism, too, which the speaker of the house Mike Johnson is involved with. From a Republican perspective, this enables them to get votes and proceed with their economic and political agenda of lowering taxes for the rich and taking off protections or regulations that reduce the profitability of their corporations. In a bigger way, it reinforced the political socialization of conservative neoliberalism of Reagan, Thatcher, Bill Clinton, Blair, Friedman, Buchanan, and Larry Summers. All this has been corrosive to the spiritual life of protestants with certain exceptions. TY for the interview.

Religion has become completely political. Religion is man-made and that’s the root of their political beliefs and behavior. Churches are a BUSINESS. If a person follows any religion it’s their personal choice and not to be forced on others.

I think this is a problem that Christians have to solve themselves. Christianity has been broken for a thousand years. Ecumenism with the other religions could heal religion on the planet. And be helpful to Christians. There isn’t only one way to practice religion.

@conniegrant939

5 ай бұрын

The Christian religion is man made for control.

Yes the church needs fix itself within the church. I suggest quality control in order for a teacher to be called a minister or teacher. It exists in most religions. In Buddhism for example, the lineage of teachers holding the teachings goes all the way back to the Buddha. Passed on from teacher to student/ 45:08 teacher. The Buddha stayed around for 40 years to make sure is students got it right and that lineage has existed for thousands of years. Protecting his teaching to make sure they are not corrupted.

@realitywins9020

4 ай бұрын

That's what you get in traditional Christian churches. Catholic and Orthodox have an unbroken line of priests going back to the apostles. Mainline Protestant churches like Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, etc also maintain some structure and standards in their priests/ministers and teachers. But Evangelicals just make everything up as they go along. Any Evangelical can create his own church and preach anything he likes

First you must define what you mean by evangelical. The term is frequently misunderstood. Secondly, does the white evangelical church vote differently than the black evangelical church? Please note that Tim is speaking of American evangelicals, not evangelicals world wide. My Canadian evangelical friends are appalled at what has happened in the USA. It appears to us that so many of them worship America and overestimate its importance in Christian history. While there is a Christian nationalist movement in Canada, it seems quite small. Canadian politicians do not tout their religious beliefs as do many of their American counterparts who prove to be far from Christian in speech and action.

@ezbody

6 ай бұрын

The American Evilgelicals have been cultivated by the Republican Party, it's not a grass roots movement.

An explosion of magical thinking. Frightening but not surprising: that's always been the basis of the program.

The Evangelical church was never poisoned. They were waiting, receptive, ready to be fertilised with the demon seed for all this time. Now that’s irony.

@harrietharlow9929

5 ай бұрын

What blows me away is Christians saying that Jesus Christ's teachings are weak. They're een throwing him aside.

Ecclesia means to come together to discuss politics according to my old Roman Catholic Catechism. It's not surprising religion took over the American government and the other SIX MOUNTAINS. What is surprising is that it took this long.

The memory is in the flesh, that's why it is between difficult and impossible to overcome childhood religious indoctrination.

The main point that is being missed is that Jesus Christ himself was not a Christian and Christianity came out of the Roman Catholic Church what's a Luther breaking away and realizing that there was a lot of wrong within the church and we are repeating history by repeating the conflict within we are essentially experiencing we are experiencing American Christian nationalism form of the Inquisition

@harrietharlow9929

5 ай бұрын

Very apt comparison. An American Inquisition is exactly what they want. If they could they would hold auto da fes.

@conniegrant939

5 ай бұрын

So true, Jesus was against this same religion when he walked the earth, that’s why he was murdered

The war is against YOUR imposition of YOUR notions upon MY practices & beliefs. Especially with no proof.

@Spock_Rogers

6 ай бұрын

Let's keep government and public schools secular.

29:33 Charlie, I have just been thinking about an old book you probably remember called The True Believer by Eric Hoffer. Your talk here about people going from radical right to radical left or vice versa is really harmonizing with my thoughts about that little book lately. The book isn't perfect but does describe what we're seeing, among the MAGA mob as well as in the right-wing fanatics in the House of Reps.

@rcjdeanna5282

6 ай бұрын

You and Eric are too naive....it's all about who butters their bread.

@afreezaphorogiancossack2194

6 ай бұрын

Well thanks for the reply! I think that may be the case with leadership but there are lots of followers who give them the power and they are not in it for the money. They want to believe they are the heroes of an epic story and fascism provides that without them having to make any changes in themselves. Cheap, cheap faith for people incapable of intellectual honesty. @@rcjdeanna5282

Quoth Zappa: "It is easy with the bible to pretend you're in show biz."

Yes Tim...you're right....January 6th was the beginning of the end!

Why aren't more christians tuning into Tim Allen instead of Trump?

Evangelism is not being poisoned; it's being fulfilled. They literally offer Armageddon. This most dangerous of fruits is given of the tree you easily recognize as false prophecy.

Anyone that doesn’t agree with my cult is a cult lol

My issue is that the decline of evangelical Christianity gives all churches/religions a bad name . Buddhism,Hinduism, native religion. Are very different from Christianity. Buddhism is none theistic. Don’t believe in a god.

This is what we get with a book as bad as the Bible