Battles start at 2:25:10

It says its a "Goblin Hewer" It never specifies which one. Clearly it was made to kill specifically Grom the Paunch.

The Goblin Hewer seems to suffer the same curse as all the other things Malakai has namned. He namned a ship ”Unsinkable” which sunk. An airship ”Undestructable” which got destroyed and now he has the Goblin Hewer which excels against large targets…

Come, Mr Tally man, tally my deseases!

@CallioNyx

19 күн бұрын

He'd get a pretty good number on me. I'm his favourite guy. :/

On my KZread homepage the visible title was "Multiplayer Anal" with the rest of the letters obscured by the time stamp. I thought it meant the video was mostly Slaanesh, with maybe a little Morathi for variety...

@keithjames1879

17 күн бұрын

I was going to say this too 😅

Please CA keep this level of quality for the rest of your DLC's, Empire and Dwarfs feel like really scary factions now.

Correction with the directional missile block attribute. It only counts for the base missile block chance. I.e. if you have 70% block chance from the gold shield in the armour stat bar, it will be 100% of that 70%

Hey turin, here is a little tip you might find helpful when you are unit testing. If you don't want the enemy lord to get involved in the fight give them a flying lord and use your flying units to keep them off the ground while you test the units on the ground.

@looming_

19 күн бұрын

I just take a bare caster lord and he usually stays outta it.

Sad to hear that toad dragons are in fact turd dragons but I'm still more hyped about this DLC than I've been for a long time.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

Huh? They are infantry lawnmowers

@adriankoch964

19 күн бұрын

Imrik: "Doesn't matter, would..."

Theres is going to be a lot of Grudges getting settled with this DLC.

Hey Turin. Just a thought for domination against factions that do not excel in ranged. Tamurkan on foot, Chaos War Shrine/Hero on one, one Bile Troll and one marauder on a point. Second point, whatever works for you to hold. Marauders have substantial more models and will burst up the passive on the shrine when dying. Tamurkan will chunk anything big, shrine will stream of corruption all Infantry. The trolls are generalists so they are ready for all. They will regenerate from the beginning, until the shrine scales up. Plus the mele def aoe will get more casualties for the shrine. When reinforcing, you got nurglings and Pestigors from vanguard. Nurglings usually die off but they have like 45 models on ultra or something like that, so the regen on them works incredibly well. Also the problem with them getting bursted and then gettin disintegrated won't work since the leadership is now so high thanks to the shrine buff. Pestigors got high hp per model but you would bring them in for ap, cap weight and the spread of tears. And at the end of this, if the Trolls are still there, now the leadership buff from the shrine, along with the stacked regen will make them almost impossible to uproot. Conclusion. You hold 2 points. You prosper. LET THE NURGLINGS FEAST!!!!

I have the Goblinhewer tabletop model for 7th edition Warhammer Fantasy. If I recall correctly it did 1d6 S4 attack per rank of the target. So it was definitely anti-infantry. I also have some Doomseeker models from my 7th edition army. Great models.

@lich109

20 күн бұрын

That's slightly off, if it hit (and you only rolled once) it did D3 hits per rank of the target. Also both the Hewer and Doomseekers were from 6th edition, but they were both so late in it that nobody's going to fault you for thinking it was 7th.

Some big questions that weren't answered during the stream: do Tears of Nurgle from Pestigors spread to non-fleeing units after they're triggered by a fleeing unit? This is important because Tears of Nurgle is going to build up the army ability, which makes Pestigors better than they already are, and draining the entire front line of vigour is also very big. Does Alith Anar's artillery bow ignore the missile block chance of the Steam Tank? I'd asked in a super chat but it was unfortunately missed. As far as I'm aware, Alith Anar has the only unblockable bow in the game, it ignores shields entirely, it gains a damage to war machines such as chariots (unless they patched it out since I last looked), and I was curious if the Steam Tank could block his otherwise unblockable bow. Does Shieldbreaker lower the tank's missile block chance? Does Elspeth's laser make good contact on flying wyverns/manticores? They're probably going to be used a lot against her. How well do Dwarf Doomseekers hold up against Death Runners? Those are still a problem for the Dwarfs and it would be nice if they had one unit to scare them away. Does the Wonder of the Age have Terror? Regular Land Ships don't, but in the first land battle game it looked like it Terror routed the Marauder Horsemen. My only real complaints are that I really don't like what they did with Brimstone guns, those new ones are just terrible, though Pestigors do have scaly skin (missile resist) so hopefully their damage is better than it really looks. It also feels weird seeing the Goblin Hewer work on SEM's since the tabletop version is very definitely anti-infantry, but I guess this one does that job just fine. For whatever reason it looked like the Outriders did less damage than War Wagons, maybe it was the angle or shooting the edge of the formation. I am glad the Rotbeasts don't just dunk on Skullcrushers. The Skullcrushers crushed them on the tabletop, however Rotbeasts cost less, so they made up for it that way.

@user-sd9dk5ir7v

19 күн бұрын

The brimstone gyros are really sad. They somehow made them worse than before, maybe they were being overly careful with the damage since they increased the unit count so much

@MrAgentIncognito

18 күн бұрын

The Wonder of the Age does have Terror on its unit card.

I sort of like the Thunderbarge being a world destroyer but leaving you with only a small supporting force giving the opponent the option of killing everything else and having it rout off the field. In land battle they can spread out, surround and kill all the land units. In Domination they can capture all the points and ignore it (pretty much like all Dwarf lords. The only issues I see are the cost (up it to 5k) and the speed boost being spammable. If the Dwarfs no longer can play both tall and wide it should help balance it for mp.

You are much appreciated good sir!

So interesting. Thanks for doing this. Lots of cool changes

Video was amazing as ever man. Certainly will be coming back to WH3 once the patch hits.

I cant wait to finally get my VH achi on dwarfs. The rework and new units look like so much fun.

wow, we need more such analytic videos. Maybe monthly videos about current meta, new builds etc

The gyrocopter test kinda makes me wish the pre-patch brimstone gun gyros were kept/re-added as an RoR (I guess the grudge settler Trollhammer Gyro is basically that) ; similarly I think the Skyhammer is more interesting as a single entity rather getting the same entity increase as regular gyrobombers

@adriankoch964

19 күн бұрын

Yep, i really liked the single entity gyrobomber since you didn't lose entire entities to random crap like with the gyrocopters. Plus they were fantastic to snipe anything single entity or artllery while they approached your corner camp.

As a drawf player I’m so ready for this expansion. May the thunder barge bring death to those with grudges!!

Hi, I saw most of the dwarf testing against factions, they don't have trouble with. I would like to see how their new stuff fares against skaven or dark elves or empire, who gave them the most trouble in the past. I mean their problem are not melee factions, but the fast ones or those who have good range too. That the thunderbarge can destroy an army when its not opposed is obvious. But how does it hold its own against dragons, flyers, skaven ranged or else. 2800 invested and seen it just shot out of the air by jezzails or sisters of averlon. How do the dwarfs react to that? Love you're content Turin, but can you show some testing, wich are more challenging for the dwarfs?

How does Missile mirror interact with the thunderbarge?

I think they should not change elspeths breath attack. It is (unless you can really position yourself good) shit against infantry and it only is good against big single entities. It should be, it is a beam of death magic. You should not want to get targeted by such a strong beam of pure death. Otherwise it becomes worse against infantry than a high elf dragon, and bad against single entities as well.

Oh god the slayer artillery reminds me of the modded battle extraveganza you had a while ago why the unsuspecting manticore charged the organ gun(?) and the slayer crew obliterated it. The flying carpets man... it was worse than 'nam.

Any news on new official dom maps?

Are war wagons really changed? Their stats and shooting look identical to the current version.

Would Thunderbarges be doable for multiplayer if the player HAS to tell their opponent that they’re going to use it?

Doomseekers have 280 health per model! Will definitely mow through chaff. That Barge is insane... can't wait to see what they change about it xD

Why is no one showing the Thunderer Grudge Rakers???

really wanted to see why the grudgeraker ror has such low missile strength

Garragrim seems kind of bugged to me, he just takes so much damage even with 50 md, it's kind of weird.

@klarthkoken1925

20 күн бұрын

He got deleted with surprising suddenness in a battle Indypride showed as well.

@chrisspink8873

20 күн бұрын

0 armour though. He’s negating like no damage that does go through.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

@@chrisspink8873 even then. It's exceptionally quick

@jobvermuyen5382

17 күн бұрын

​@@klarthkoken1925 yeah it probably is when he spins he takes many hits or is susceptible to many hits.

Even for campaign the thunderbarge is cancer. Have to autoresolve battles against dwarves to beat it and dwarves have the best auto resolve

@alfarabi73

19 күн бұрын

Exactly; I will probably mod it out - and I am a Dwarf main.

@KorsAir1987

19 күн бұрын

Against ranged armies I don't think it will be an issue. Melee-heavy factions on the other hand... poor Slaanesh...

@Digitward

19 күн бұрын

@@KorsAir1987 It is an issue against ranged armies too. Saw cathay get destroyed by it even with focus fire because dwarven arty gets buffs from the master engineer. They had to choose to die to the barge or the bolt throwers

The dwarf grudge rakers have higher missile strength than blunderbusses and cost 50 less. Why CA?

@turinRTS I want to see the absolute comedy that is missile mirror cast onto the thunderbarge

"Nerf the dwarwes" something that no one said before😅😅😅 Sounds like is time to return to multiplayer with my dwarves.

Is there a link to the dude's channel you have played against? Wanna support him by subbing

Empire bring landships, Dawi bring airships, and Nurgle brings Seasicks

Turin, please tell me Wild Riders got some love this patch!

every time you say unga bunga it makes me think of the game Chuck Rock from 1991. Also the year I started my first Empire army. Man those metal Reiksguard on foot figures were awesome.

@Turin how slaanesh would handle thunderbarge ? all races got enough ranged or flyers, but slaanesh got none of this to handle thunderbarge right ?

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

Furries to tie it up/force it away, while your ground forces sweep the dawi lines.

@Wvk5zc

19 күн бұрын

​@@animewarrior3won't work

@animewarrior3

18 күн бұрын

@@Wvk5zc wonder how a steam tank would fair vs the barge

In tabletop the Goblin Hewer did more damage the bigger the unit was, so not really 1:1 to how it works in game.

i'd love an edited version of this, not very accessible at almost 4 hours

Yep, the flying battleship aught to be fixed like a pet at the vet.

@Turin the Landship RoR causes terror

afterburner should not increase agility, thats fucking stupid. Personally, i think it would be better if afterburner was like 100% speed, 25% acceleration, and like 50% more dps. Also the goblin hewer is REALLY interesting, its only 100g more than normal slayers and you get the giant AXE SHOTGUN combined with most of a slayer unit

i know thunderbarge wins, but i do want to see landship vs. skyship: who has the superior ship in a place it doesn't belong?

When he tries to pick a lord that doesn't have flaming attacks and his selection is: Taurox

Been missing the dom games lately!

Oh man Dawi are going to be so busted, Empire looking top tier too.

but you are countering a specialized as expensive as a full geared midtier lord; with 3 marauder axe throwers. no suprice they died; still the barge lost 70% hp. what if you bring 2500 gold off anti-air specific; isn't it screwed then? also dwarfs been weak for a long time, would be nice to see more off them

Not gonna lie, wyvern might be a more relevant unit for greenskins than most expect. Till now azhag was their only air unit.

I'd love to see a test of how much you need to kill the thunderbarge consistently. It is somewhat short ranged (at least the shotgunners) - two anti-large artillery, and a ranged firearms unit or two to keep them honest. Stuff that would be reasonable against any army. WoC, Khorne, VC would have problems, obviously. As for the test of goblin hewer... why, oh why, did you not test it against goblins?!?!?

@worstprofessor895

19 күн бұрын

But he did! 1:03:00 mark.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

Bats and furries to tie it up/force it away from the main fight long enough for their ground forces to sweep the dawi. Or at least deal a large blow. Just makes the anti flying spells better

@joeyawiki3315

19 күн бұрын

​@animewarrior3 Not much since thunder barge can still fire while in melee, and it has high enough weapon strength to beat 3 - 4 bat/furies stack by itself due to their low leadership

Dawi feel so OP now

As expected. Dwarfs who literally needed nothing got the most broken shit ever.

Thundebarge is lore friendly power level I see no problem lmao

Kirov reporting...

The design philosophy between the base game and the dlcs have diverged so much its ridiculous. Why does flamers get only 10 shots and bad accuracy but thunderbarge is okay

Should thunderbarge be locked to extended roster in multi? As opposed to nerf them and ruin them in campaign?

@frankehfightaz

20 күн бұрын

Just massively up the cost, recruitment cost isn’t usually a factor in campaign

@alfarabi73

19 күн бұрын

It's not going to be fun to play in campaign either; and I say as a Dwarf main.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

​@alfarabi73 yeah. No. Hard disagree. Its going to be a blast. You must be from the inventor guild trash talking malakai.

@fruitloops1481

19 күн бұрын

That thing won’t be fun in campaign. The campaign would be over as soon as you get it because you cannot be beat

If they just nerf the speed boost a little to 150%, it should be fine

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

No. Stop nerfing abilities. Just remove them in mp

@phocion507

19 күн бұрын

@@animewarrior3I don’t want to play an overpowered unit in campaign either lol. Just not fun. Balance exists for both.

@fruitloops1481

19 күн бұрын

Needs to be nerfed more than that

@ThaLedg

19 күн бұрын

@@fruitloops1481 it Puts it at 75 max speed, it increases the DOT- per-distance-moved . Start that way, then tweak it. If you net it and focus fire it, it can go down. And if they don't want to nerf it, just ban it in MP. But right now, we still need to learn how to deal with it

@Wvk5zc

19 күн бұрын

50%

I am 99% sure Ulrika is staying for Dwarfs, just because of her lore with Malakai. But I'm assuming it'll be a campaign only thing.

@sandercohen9712

20 күн бұрын

She probably gets added to the extended roster so she can't be used in QB, but yeah other than that she'll stay

Thunderbarge cannot be "fun" in SP either.

We are back to goofy, mega-powerful badass units... going to be a good DLC cycle: kzread.info/dash/bejne/paCqqa2OZ6usZrA.html

think thubderbarge just needs a rework. thunderers are fine, but bombs could just be an activated abillity you can use 3x, and front cannons need less ammo. get rid of speed ability and reduce its health to 8k and its probably balanced at 2800

He just looks like your average tabletop player😂

Units in mp are rarely broken; Usually just improperly priced. Thunderbarge now costs 7500 gold. Problem solved.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

Thats ridiculous. Funny, but ridiculous. Just remove the boost in MP. See how it sits. Or add it as an upgrade you can pay for that bumps it to 3400.

I dont think Thinderbarge needs many nerfs, just make thunderburner deal more damage to it, and make it move slower and ta da. Cause it HAS to be good, its like only thing dwarves have that is not straight up countered by any other faction.

Man nuln irosides without repeater sucks

I hope the thunder barge is nerfed before the dlc releases

Please do not nerf thunderbarge.

One thought regarding the Thunderbarge. If it gets banned in various tourneys there should be 1 exception where you can take it. The Skaven. That fight has been so oppressive for so long its only fair.

@toxlequa

20 күн бұрын

Was thinking about that match up

@lich109

20 күн бұрын

The other Slayer units might make that matchup a little more even, Slayer Pirates and Doomseekers should help a lot.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

I honestly am beginning to despise the MP community. Just ruins fun stuff. I am looking forward to testing out 3 cannons vs the barge. See what happens.

@williammitchell6254

19 күн бұрын

@@animewarrior3 then they use dwarf cannons to fucking rail the enemy cannons

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

@@williammitchell6254 tbh good. Enemies should have to approach dwarfs.

I don't know, Turin. I'm not convinced the thunderbarge is OP. Needs some more testing...

@alfarabi73

19 күн бұрын

You've honestly got to be blind. I am a Dwarf main player, but I will probably mod it out or severely nerf it in campaign.

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

​@@alfarabi73you're not a true dawi then. Its the best damn part of the update. (Outside of getting gotrex and felix as LH)

@trainheartnet5657

19 күн бұрын

@@alfarabi73 And over the head it goes

@ahmedkeremsayar

19 күн бұрын

@@trainheartnet5657 it is a fucking blimp with cannons. Of course it is going to be op

@alfarabi73

19 күн бұрын

@@trainheartnet5657 If you were being sarcastic, then it not only flew over my poor old head - but that of the one who apparently agrees with you. Intent is rather elusive sometimes online where we cannot observe things like delivery, tone, facial expression, etc.

It is a sad day when the long awaited Nurgle DLC adds useless, expensive units and a trash tier Legendary Lord for Nurgle itself. CA will not be getting my money on this one!

@animewarrior3

19 күн бұрын

Nurgle is shit anyways. Empire and dwarfs were the real pulls this xpack

Dwarfs: need help, some of lowest win rates in MP. Dwarfs: get thunderbarge Turin: its too good! Nerf it! Do you have more than like, 5 games in it? The thunderbarge will get rekt by artillery.

@archthrone5815

20 күн бұрын

Rip factions without artillery. What’s Vampire counts gonna do? Flying units can’t catch up to it

@Wvk5zc

20 күн бұрын

same lame excuse by dwarf fans

@camel348

20 күн бұрын

Factions without artillery are doomed and factions with artillery are also doomed because not only artillery is not enough, you can see the videos of Humanboy, artillery does not enough damage and misses when it goes fast and also artillery aiming the zeppeling means that is not shooting the dwarf artillery (that now has buffs and can outrange anything)

@west-vf7qj

20 күн бұрын

If you play dwarfs in quick battle you better hope it is banned from multiplayer or nerfed to like 4200 gold cost or you will never be allowed to play a game. Not a single soul will stay in a lobby against a dwarf player

@residentfacehead3465

20 күн бұрын

Fuck is a grand canon or a Helstorm or a fuckin ironblaster gonna do to a unit that can float directly above it? Also THIRTEEN THOUSAND HP. that isnt being shredded by jack shit