As always, the references I used for the video are in the description! I'm worried that I've messed up some minor point of law - and I did gloss over some nuance, you can see that in the description - but I'm as sure as I can be.

@TANNAPON

2 жыл бұрын

1 week ago?

@200kadigade2

2 жыл бұрын

I love ur content keep it up!

@lucky-ro732

2 жыл бұрын

@@TANNAPON it's probably unlisted

@DemirSezer

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucky-ro732 not probably, it WAS unlisted

@victorn7210

2 жыл бұрын

Hi

I just want to reiterate Tom's message about "use it or lose it" and the log book. If you visit a quirky place that has a guestbook, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE sign it. That is often what these tiny organizations will use to justify their continued existence to their investors.

@chelsey8737

2 жыл бұрын

Oh hey thats good to know

@Asummersdaydreamer14

2 жыл бұрын

Commenting to bump up visibility

@pvic6959

2 жыл бұрын

wonder what would happen if I sign in using 5 different names :^)

@sonickrnd

2 жыл бұрын

Никогда бы не подумал что это так работает. О_О

@colourfulyt6697

2 жыл бұрын

Commenting to make it more visible

At the 5p bridge near Oxford I saw a guy hand over £20 note and ask to pay for the next 400 cars. Tollkeeper just said "no change" and charged the next car 5p again 😂

@maguy8133

2 жыл бұрын

How British, for both of them..

@SandTiger42

2 жыл бұрын

I was just thinking this would be the best job ever. Probably make £200,000 a year just pocketing the extras.

@weasdown

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering if anyone else was going to mention that bridge! (The Swinford Toll Bridge for anyone wondering)

@thestudentofficial5483

2 жыл бұрын

Bruh did him dirty

@dragontoothless4351

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, that was probably also so that the tollkeeper wouldn't have to count 399 cars after him before collecting again (as well as the headache of having to explain to that car following the cutoff about why they have to pay when everyone ahead of them was just waved through).

"Water Level to low" code for he's at the pub refilling his water level

@tncorgi92

2 жыл бұрын

If the water level really was too low for THAT boat you could just wade across.

@johnclements6614

2 жыл бұрын

@@tncorgi92 Could be too low at the landing stage but go out a few metres and it is over your head.

@purgruv

2 жыл бұрын

*mainly water

@mattinx

2 жыл бұрын

The pub is two minutes walk from there :)

@SavageGreywolf

2 жыл бұрын

haha yes, the water might have a bit of barley in it though ;)

For anyone curious, the "two shillings and a sixpence" original toll amounts to 1/8 of a pound, which is why following decimalisation the toll changed to 12p and has stayed as such since.

@garethaethwy

2 жыл бұрын

You'll probably find the toll was 12 1/2p up until about 1983/4 when the half-penny was removed from circulation. The logical thing to do in such circumstances would be to round according to established mathematical principles (i.e. up) but I suspect the original act is worded in such a way that it would be illegal to charge more than the 2/6 specified.

@tomg6589

Жыл бұрын

Technically that's wrong because the original pound was 240 so it should be actually 20p.

@hats1642

Жыл бұрын

@@tomg6589 When decimalisation came in the pound stayed static, not the penny.

@matnichol

Жыл бұрын

I remember crossing it 20+ years ago and thinking 12p seems very cheap. What happens when some gives them 15p or 20p? Do they have to declare that as a tip?

@beerbuildings

Жыл бұрын

@@matnichol They usually give change, assuming they have it available. I think this may have stopped for a while during COVID but has gone back to the way it was now. I used to cross it for work many years ago and noticed they always had stacks of 2p coins ready and waiting (to the value of 8p) so they could quickly issue change to people who paid with a 20p coin.

Maybe "water levels too low" is code for "ferryman at his day job for money required to live."

@Sponge1310

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe yup probably :,)

@theaveragepro1749

2 жыл бұрын

beer levels too low

@anyGould

2 жыл бұрын

Does make me wonder how much "obscure ferry rower" makes. (Sounds like a job for a summer/college student.)

@xway2

2 жыл бұрын

You'd hope they're getting paid for full time

@marmite8959

2 жыл бұрын

Just like how "I'll check if we've got it in back" is retail code for "I'm going to take a cursory glance, chat with anybody else in the warehouse and check my phone for a couple minutes because I know full well the item you're looking for is not in back but you'll ask me to check anyway"

Get in quick! These are going to bombarded with Tom Scott tourists soon. I’m sure the rowing one is going to be getting very tired.

@m.b.4165

2 жыл бұрын

A good workout for sure xD

@garethaethwy

2 жыл бұрын

Well at least locals won't have to worry about losing them through lack of use now will they!

@_CARKENT

2 жыл бұрын

Some people scare me ^^

@bt42_howitzer

2 жыл бұрын

bro this bot is freaking out

@dgill441

2 жыл бұрын

@@bt42_howitzer yes which is why I’m trying to report it when I see it! Help Tom out !

I freaking love the pricing for the Thelwall ferry. Passengers: 1/2p. Dogs: 1/2p. Doesn't give a price for cats or ferrets, oddly.

@pavarottiaardvark3431

Жыл бұрын

Foxes, Chickens and Grain 1 shilling, or thruppence if you do your own maths.

@googiegress7459

Жыл бұрын

It's well known and established in common law that a cat is 1/4 of a dog, and ferrets are 1/3 of a cat. Smaller rodents such as mice do not count unless a half-dozen or more are carried, and then you need special ribbons.

@paulmaryon9088

Жыл бұрын

Yea , those could be hidden in a large poachers pocket!!

@TreiPani

Жыл бұрын

@@googiegress7459 🤣

“Whenever required…” the ferry services were imposed as alternative to bridges that had to be removed to make way for the canal. Therefore the purpose of the ferries is to provide a way to cross the canal as with the bridges which were useable 24/7. So that would favour the “whenever somebody needs to cross the canal” interpretation and require a 24 hour permanent service. Of course, a corporate lawyer working for a company with an interest to provide the minimal possible service it can get away with might see things differently.

@KainYusanagi

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all, as if there is no need for such a ferry due to a trickle of demand, then it woud no longer be required at all, much like a bridge that would have been on the spot instead.

@foty8679

2 жыл бұрын

@@KainYusanagi Actually, they should just place a boat there, tie it in with ropes and let people who want to cross it paddle themself..then check everyday if the boat is alright and done.

@clobberelladoesntreadcomme9920

2 жыл бұрын

@@foty8679 You'll need two boats, one to stay on the other side since there's no longer a person rowing the boat from bank to bank. Put two of those paddle boats you operate with your feet!

@protercool8474

2 жыл бұрын

Weird word to be honest. Both these statements can be simultaneously true: The ferry is required to cross the river right here. The ferry is not required to cross the river. The question being, required for what exactly? I think the fair legal answer would be required to cross the canal, which you can usually do via the bridge.

@wyterabitt2149

2 жыл бұрын

@@protercool8474 There was always another bridge even when the original bridge existed at that spot. So this interpretation does not hold at all. Demand does have some ground though.

He's not wrong about Peel group, they own tons of land and property in greater Manchester and beyond too, it's like they are trying to create their own little kingdom in the North West of England

@Croz89

2 жыл бұрын

The Canal is probably one of their smallest moneymakers (though with the potential construction of Port Salford that might change). The vast amount of prime city center land and skyscrapers on the other hand...

@dongster529

2 жыл бұрын

The UK is also probably one of the most if not THE most intricate old-money financial networks in the world, the most famous being the city of London. Not surprised they have tons of hidden agreements by various parties that still hang over from centuries ago, that have been divided by their off-spring into smaller factions like the Peel group today.

@krishacz

2 жыл бұрын

relevant profile pic i guess

@sayhellotovin

2 жыл бұрын

They own most of Liverpool's dockland and Liverpool Airport aswell.

@cbrboy76

2 жыл бұрын

Peel group have all liverpool docks and i was down at sheerness last week, peel own those docks too

So many of those weird idiosyncrasies in British law boil down to "it would take more effort to remove this and also it doesn't bother anyone anyway"

@maguy8133

2 жыл бұрын

Sad

@OnkelJajusBahn

2 жыл бұрын

As a foreigner I find that actually quite interresting.

@m53goldsmith

2 жыл бұрын

@@maguy8133 Why sad? If it bothered someone enough to change it and they couldn't, then *that* would be sad ;-)

@tomblet9359

2 жыл бұрын

Market towns are hit by the same issue. An act of Parliament set them up so it would require another one to amend each individual market charter. That's 100s of tiny towns dotted over the country. Also, their company numbers are so old they aren't accepted by the government website and so can't fill out online tax returns.

@bleddynwolf8463

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomblet9359 oof

4:12 A 67% tip? Ridiculous! It seems Tom is living large...

@tobybartels8426

2 жыл бұрын

If it were a tip, then the operator would get to keep it, which I very much doubt. 🙁

Now I finally understand what anarchy in the UK is! Abiding by centuries-old laws to slightly inconvenience multi-billion dollar companies.

@garethaethwy

2 жыл бұрын

19th century is hardly centuries. But I get your point. And agree.

@StarshadowMelody

2 жыл бұрын

@@garethaethwy I don't know, two still makes a plural. Now, one point five, on the other hand, well, that's where chaos lies.

@DannySullivanMusic

2 жыл бұрын

yes. _100%_ true!!

@zealousdoggo

Жыл бұрын

When your so lawful it integer overflows into being anarchist

@rickybuhl3176

Жыл бұрын

It's honest work..

Live near the Warburton bridge myself, 12 or 25p for the day. They want to rise it to £1 but people are proper mad about it. Problem is, the 12p only pays for painting and staff as well as other minor repairs, £1 is thought within the next 20 years or so to be able to pay for a brand new bridge. The one currently is said to be structurally sound but is slowly decaying. Its a strange situation. Its an incredibly well used bridge as it connects west manchester to warrington, its quite convenient. Great video, its a terrific local quirk.

@tenaciousdean6179

2 жыл бұрын

This is infrastructure that clearly should be for public use, why aren't the government (local or otherwise) doing their job and just funding a new bridge instead of charging locals only to have it paid for after 20 years? We pay exorbitant amounts of taxes and they can't even maintain/build a bridge smh. You bet they're not gonna a reduce or remove the charge once they'd paid for it as well.

@HomoErectusIsAFunnyName

2 жыл бұрын

@@tenaciousdean6179 It's owned by a private company. They agreed to maintain it when they bought the land which came with it. It's their responsibility not the government. They'll have to fix it up eventually either way because the law says so. So there is no reason for government involvement.

@gteaz

2 жыл бұрын

JFI the big bridge is not the toll bridge, the toll bridge is at the booth. Peel own the big one.

@tenaciousdean6179

2 жыл бұрын

@@HomoErectusIsAFunnyName Okay so keep the 12p charge AND improve the bridge then?

@HomoErectusIsAFunnyName

2 жыл бұрын

@@tenaciousdean6179 Why do you ask me? I am not the CEO of Peel. Tell them to not raise the prices. Or better yet, tell that to the local government officials since the price is written in law so only the government can change it. But I don't understand why it is incomprehensible for you that a company doesn't want net loss on an investment.

2 shillings and sixpence: a shilling is 1/20 of a pound (in new money that would be 5 pence, 10 for the pair), and a six pence is 0.025 of a pound (new money 2.5 pence) for a total of 12.5 pence. I'm impressed they kept all the relative values intact through decimalisation.

@seraphina985

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they did same applies to why the toll for the cob in Porthmadog stayed at 5p right up until the Welsh government bought it about 20 years ago. The toll had been capped at a shilling some 200 years earlier and nobody ever got around to pushing for it to be changed.

@benjaminsmith3625

2 жыл бұрын

Decimalisation was also carefully designed to be a smooth transition to help with things like this. So the original 5p coin was exactly the same size and interchangeable with the shilling. There was also a 1/2 p coin originally so 12.5p could be exact.

@MrHack4never

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting that they rounded the price down instead of up, but that's probably legal hell

@mikehiggins4079

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrHack4never the half of a penny 'loss' is more than made up for by those, like Tom, that overpay

@seraphina985

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrHack4never I would guess that the actual text of the law provided a maximum value. Thus rounding down would be legal as it is still bellow the cap but rounding up would not be.

So weird seeing Tom so close to home! Never thought anyone else would take notice of that old 12p Toll road, there’s a bit of confusion around it. Most people believe it collects toll for a bridge a few hundred meters from it, when in fact it actually collects toll for a completely unnoticeable tiny bridge that it sits right next to!

@ms.antithesis

Жыл бұрын

the manchester ship canal should be blown up

@henrywong7607

Жыл бұрын

@@ms.antithesis How exactly do you blow up a canal?

@ms.antithesis

Жыл бұрын

@@henrywong7607 cut off the water supply and then blow up all the major inferstructure related to it

They could build a Schmid's Peoplemover over the canal though :D

@hotlaser

2 жыл бұрын

Laughed out loud!

@Sophiebryson510

2 жыл бұрын

Or a parry people mover?

I live by these crossings. I’ve taken my kids across the hulmes ferry. He’s a very nice bloke. But the toll bridge is always a nightmare. Someone set fire to the toll booth a couple of years ago it is that hated.

@paulspyker3749

2 жыл бұрын

It's hated because you're not paying to go over the big Warburton bridge, that's free to cross. You're paying to 12p to cross a small bricked bridge at the booth.

@gteaz

2 жыл бұрын

​@@paulspyker3749 A small bridge that serves no purpose as the River Mersey that flow under it got filled in, no one realises that bridge exists between Warburton bridge and the paying booth.

@OrangeC7

2 жыл бұрын

For a second I thought you said "I set fire to the toll booth..." and I was only slightly concerned

@gteaz

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbradley318 Peel Group bought the company, both bridges are toll now.

You're a preserver of history, in many senses. England, and the world, owe you a debt of gratitude. Thanks for the content, Tom :)

Ah yes. You'll have difficulty getting Peel Holdings, for an interview. They own most of the land flanking the Manchester Ship Canal area. And a massive number of homes built within a few miles, over the last 40 years are 'leasehold'. Meaning a huge number of people in the most populated parts of the North West have to pay Peel Holdings, every year, to live in a property that they thought they had bought! The notion that Peel Holdings / Peel Group, would have so "save up" for a new bridge at Warburton is absurd. The company is owned by a reclusive billionaire, who lives in a tax haven (IOM). The Manchester Ship Canal is in a shocking state of dis-repair. The company only appears to spend money on it, when it absolutely has to. Preferring to just rake in the cash from the surrounding land. They built & owned the Trafford Centre, until a record breaking sale, a couple of years ago. I guess they also earn a few quid, from their Media City development in Salford. Where they now lovingly provide a home for the UK's biggest television / media corporations. What could possibly be in it for them??? The local councils etc aren't able to do anything about any of this though, because Peel own more of the North West, and have more money, than the government do. Yet they will still ask any motorist. Even someone on a motorbike (unlike any other "toll" system). To stop. Take off gloves etc, and rummage round in pockets, just so they can have another 12 pence in the bank!

@wyterabitt2149

2 жыл бұрын

pmsl Peel don't have more money than the government. Apple and Google combined don't. Although some of these companies are obscene, I think you are massively overestimating them compared to counties the size of the UK or larger (or even slightly smaller).

@Galloway5090

2 жыл бұрын

@@wyterabitt2149 they dont have more money than the gov but £6.6 billion(as of 2011) is still alotta money for a company that doesn't do jack. Charging 12p is silly enough but upping it to £1 is pure cheek. These guys have way more than enough money to fix it themselves but no, they'd rather us pay for it cause they're a bunch of hoarding bastards. Give it time and they'll end up having more than the gov lmao

@theinternetbutler

2 жыл бұрын

An investment group investing to make money and spending as little as possible… I am surprised. Don’t agree with it mind, but not surprised.

@wyterabitt2149

2 жыл бұрын

@@Galloway5090 Sure like I said the money they have is obscene still relatively speaking. The OP was just very much overestimating these companies, or possibly underestimating governments - one or the other.

@Ballistica242

2 жыл бұрын

I dont know about Britian but I assume its very similar property law to New Zealand. Here Leasehold is very common if not the most common form of holding a title of land, its jsut that in 99.9% of cases you hold the lease for 999 years at 1c a year.

I never thought I'd be excited to watch a video about river crossings

@HenrykSzalony

2 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige has a 40 min long essay on the topic titled "The importance of river crossings in the olden days" if that strikes your fancy.

@dave_h_8742

2 жыл бұрын

The Monk's ferry at monksferry was run by monks across the Mersey from medieval times as other ferrys had a tenancy to throw you overboard and steal your belongings when dead.

@jaynutter9273

2 жыл бұрын

xD Ikr

"because it isn't worth the effort" is an analogy for the english gov in it's entirety.

@DyslexicMitochondria

2 жыл бұрын

And welsh

@sterlingarcher8041

2 жыл бұрын

@@DyslexicMitochondria hey bro I watch your videos. Love your channel

@Brian3989

2 жыл бұрын

The request and cost of changing that law would fall to the Pell Group.

@merrymachiavelli2041

2 жыл бұрын

...there is no English gov, but I get your point...

@hyrulesarnian932

2 жыл бұрын

Including the idea of having an English government, which we don't. Because it's not worth the effort.

I realize what I like about Tom. His tones are of an eminent finality. There's closure in the delivery, a tonal testament that gives me a soothing sense of deliberate and sincere appreciation for both the presentation and the content.

As a daily user of this the toll bridge for commuting, if you cross during rush hour you can be delayed for 30 minutes to an hour. If there is a problem on the M6 Thelwall viaduct it can be even longer. It costs me about £65 a year to use it at the moment, if they get their way with the increase it will be over £600 a year. Since you made the video their covid restrictions have been lifted and they are charging both ways and day tickets and change are now available again. The bridge you have shown is not the toll bridge, the toll bridge went over the river Mersey near to the booth and has now been filled in.

Got dangerously close to the Wirral there.

@rc_woshimao957

2 жыл бұрын

I understood that reference

@anch95

2 жыл бұрын

Anybody kindly explain?

@mrlister2000

2 жыл бұрын

Nowhere near the Wirral !

@SymbioteMullet

2 жыл бұрын

@@anch95Tom has stayed in previous videos (i think it was a Park Bench episode) that his least favourite place in the world is The Wirrel.

@supernoodles908

2 жыл бұрын

@@anch95 it's a shithole

I was driving to Dunham Massey from Salford in April during the pandemic but not in a lockdown. Saw the toll bridge sign and started stressing thinking I needed a few pounds but was relieved to see it was only 12p as I had that change. Turns out I didn't need it as the toll booths were closed, and for some strange reason I felt a little cheated.

@odie7764

2 жыл бұрын

I'm local and cross it regularly, it always felt a bit weird not paying it.

@pattheplanter

2 жыл бұрын

Where's my troll? I demand to be threatened with being eaten! Oh, my mistake, 12p, then?

@armadillito

2 жыл бұрын

They'll have a contactless reader by the end of the year I should imagine

@williethomson8353

2 жыл бұрын

Too tru about the guilt. I wanna pay 25 p

@alexandermathar7780

2 жыл бұрын

Could they do ETC ?

The Torpoint ferry is another interesting one as it is two hundred thirty years old. There are 3 of them and they each have a slipway and at peak times there is one every 10 minutes it takes 10 more minutes to cross the river 40p for a motorbike £2 for a car below 3.5t £1 with Tamertag £4.90 for a car over 3.5t £2.45 with Tamertag This also applies to vans, trucks and buses, buses also get a priority and emergency vehicles in an emergency the ferry will also move faster if this is the case. If I were to guess it probably make £2,000,000-£500,000 a year this includes maintenance. This ferry is 24 hours a day 365 days a year it only stops for maintenance then only 2 operate or in Extreme winds and rain at high tide when they can’t land.

@tams805

2 жыл бұрын

There also the Windermere Ferry (Mallard) on Windermere (a lake for those who don't know). It's a cable ferry.

@jonchambers131

2 жыл бұрын

Is it still the case that no matter whether you use the ferry or the Tamar bridge, it's free to get into Cornwall but you have to pay to get out?

@williamdavis7411

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonchambers131 yes that is right

Amazing! After purchasing a house in the 50s, my Grandparents were gifted a 3 piece suite from my Grandad's auntie. My grandad managed to get the sofa and 2 arm chairs in a hand cart and used the Hulmes Ferry to cross the canal and take it to their new home. I'm shocked you didn't visit the swing aqueduct as it's just down the road from the Hulmes ferry; although I feel like you might have covered that already.

@bencoyle1

2 жыл бұрын

Also local rumours tell that the 12p toll is not actually for the warbuton bridge, but a much smaller bridge between it and the toll booth, that crosses a small section of a farmers land.

Tom _peels_ back the curtain on river/canal crossings exposing the minutiae of a large corporations responsibilities involved in getting the people to the other side.

@Kholaslittlespot1

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you did there

@rita25y.o-checkmyvideo26

2 жыл бұрын

I shall still get there in good time🍦🥡🥠🥟🍡🍥🍤

@rita25y.o-checkmyvideo26

2 жыл бұрын

Once upon a time there was 😅😄😃🤣😂😁😀

@jakec4441

2 жыл бұрын

What the heck

Tom, I really appreciate your videos on the quirky bits of historic infrastructure we Brits have. They're so often a really rather lovely insight into our collective identity as a nation - this being a perfect example - "it'd be more annoying to change in that continue putting up with it". How brilliantly British.

@Kholaslittlespot1

2 жыл бұрын

Totally. It makes me sad inside when people want to phase the quirky little things out.

@CursedWheelieBin

2 жыл бұрын

The idea of “how British” is just pride talking. I’m not sure these quirky things say anything about our collective identity tbh. We don’t have a collective identity because we’re an increasingly multi-cultural society. Right or wrong. That’s what we are. National pride has always struck me as weird anyway. Being proud of a patch of earth that you just so happen to be born on, through no participation of your own. It’s good that we’re different I suppose. It means there are those willing to learn about this stuff and share it with the rest of us via KZread videos

@TheOneAndOnlyOuuo

2 жыл бұрын

@@CursedWheelieBin A multi-cultural society leads to a mono-culture based on no culture at all.

This reminds me of my undergraduate degree- the school I attended was legally called “Colorado Seminary” but is known everywhere else as the University of Denver. Why? Well the schools charter predates the state and is incorporated in the Colorado Constitution (despite being a private university) and would require a constitutional amendment to rename it.

Oh Tom, did you really have to give that multi-billion dollar company an extra 8p?

There seem to be so many quirky little things like these in the UK

@harbl99

2 жыл бұрын

Dunno what you mean mate. [ushers geese across London Bridge on his way to pay the rent with a horseshoe and six nails]

@hatemykids1933

2 жыл бұрын

The us have got a lot of stuff too, along the lines of "world's eighth largest spoon" by the side of the road

@artful1967

2 жыл бұрын

That is becuse we have a history

@SymbioteMullet

2 жыл бұрын

It is a country crushed by its own anachronism.

@adenowirus

2 жыл бұрын

@@artful1967 Plus no invasions or major upheavals in recent history.

Why are Tom Scott’s videos always SO entertaining. Keep up the good work 👍

@rita25y.o-checkmyvideo44

2 жыл бұрын

the house, and thought🧗‍♀️🤹‍♀️🤹‍♂️🤺🤾‍♀️🤾‍♂️🤽‍♀️

@rita25y.o-checkmyvideo44

2 жыл бұрын

go into her room, don’t 🤙🤘🖖🤞✌️👇

Exactly the kind of content I look forward to every Monday! These old laws, these things that still run/happen/are maintained after so many years, this is all such interesting stuff.

My favorite weird crossing in the US is the Kinzua Bridge. It's an old railway tressel over a broad valley. It was once the world longest viaduct. After train traffic along that route decreased significantly, the bridge was permanently closed and started to be restored as a tourist attraction. Unfortunately a few years into the project an F1 tornado rolled through the area (an extremely rare event) and toppled the bridge about a quarter of the way across. It would cost a kingly sum of $45 million dollars to fully restore the bridge to it's former glory, so the state just left it as is. It has become a tourist attraction in its own right. And you can walk out onto the shortened span and look down the dizzying 300ft to the valley floor below, or you can hike among the twisted and mangled metal that lays on the ground. I always liked it as it has this odd charm to it. The idea that a broken bridge is still appealing to us. Plus the area surrounding it is one of Pennsylvania hidden outdoor gems.

@suddenfootloss1337

2 жыл бұрын

I’m an Englishman but I’ve been there, is indeed very cool, even the Amish love to wander around it for a day out!

@animesis

Жыл бұрын

just looked it up, its fantastic, heart-breaking it got half destroyed. What an incredible bit of engineering

Not really the point of the video, but the lack of free public information on land ownership in the UK is a scandal. The way that corporations like The Peel Group, and massively wealthy families can practically secretly own and acquire vast swathes of land just seems so wrong. And maybe more people would think it was a problem if the information was freely available

@MozTS

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao you all sandbagged corbyn, you deserve your serfdom

@MrCooll971

2 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to have a detailed map of corporate owned land, buildings and other things. If you added estimated sale value and yearly rent income it would be even better.

@lutherblissett119

2 жыл бұрын

Who Owns England by Shrubshole does a very comprehensive job on land ownership.

@Fragenzeichenplatte

2 жыл бұрын

Also, the idea that you would have to pay 1 pound to cross that small bridge is ludacrious. This is what happens when you let private companies take over. It should be paid by taxes.

@tobybartels8426

2 жыл бұрын

@@MozTS : If more information like this were freely available, then the public night know better than to sandbag Corbyn.

7:25 "The company has noticed it" It's like talking about a gigantic dragon. Uh oh, he's spotted us...

@DannySullivanMusic

2 жыл бұрын

indeed. utterly right!

Warburton Toll Bridge increased the toll from 12p to £1 last week.

About 10 miles north of York, locals can cross the River Ure at Aldwark by car via an old toll bridge, at a cost of 40p per crossing (it went up from 15p in about 2000). The bridge was supposedly originally constructed so that farmers could get animals and produce across the river (I think the limit is now 7 tonnes). There are not many bridges across the River Ouse north of York, so the toll bridge does save a long drive and having to use the congested York outer ring road (built in 1989 and the nearest crossing over the Ouse, some 7 miles downstream). The River Ure becomes the Ouse just downstream of Aldwark Bridge. Books of pre-paid tickets can be purchased at a cheaper rate (to avoid the hassle of change, though I believe you can also pay by card now) and it is free to cross between 7.30pm and around 7am the next morning. Many is the time I have driven a bit slower on my way home after 7pm, just for the joy of a free crossing!

The toll bridge is fairly well known but I've lived in Manchester my whole life and never heard of either of these ferries, interesting!

I live near Warburton bridge and the local people got so annoyed with the toll a couple of years ago that they burned the booth down and there was no fee for a while until it was rebuilt. I also work for the company who operates Hulme ferry and have to drive it when the usual driver isn't there.

@foty8679

2 жыл бұрын

@@chemicalfrankie1030 Maybe rent a bulldozer.

As mentioned already the one way fare is 12.5p but when we lost the 1/2 p it was rounded down to 12p. But the return fare is still 25p (twice 12.5p) so its cheaper to buy two singles. Also the toll isn't for the bridge but the road leading up to the bridge. Amongst their vast portfolio Peel Holdings also owns the Trafford Centre and tons of other land around it. You wouldn't believe the amount of land and property they own all along the length of the Manchester Ship Canal.

The fact that you have quietly converted us into following your full-on journalism - and no one noticed - wow. All glory to the HypnoTom. Standing ovation. Love it.

@wendimunson844

2 жыл бұрын

All glory to Hypno-Tom!

It’s pronounced Thel-wall, same as the viaduct, two of the biggest and busiest bridges in England on the M6. Back 20 years ago when the newest bridge (North bound) was build, they put in the wrong dampeners underneath and they had to shut it for 2 years, there were 2 hour queues for the 12p bridge. Heaven forbid the government ever spend a penny on infrastructure outside of London, that’s why the peel group own everything and build everything for us.

@slackalice4890

2 жыл бұрын

Haven’t you heard of bojo’s levelling up ?? …… just you wait and see, just don’t hold your breath

@DannySullivanMusic

2 жыл бұрын

spot on. 1000% spot on.

boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's why I watch Tom Scott vids on company time

@water8970

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you get fired

@water8970

2 жыл бұрын

that is if you even have a job commie millennial

@ashleybyrd2015

2 жыл бұрын

@@water8970 Lmao

@RevCode

2 жыл бұрын

@@water8970 Angry much? When I was doing inhouse software dev I every now and then also watched a vid or two on youtube to get my mind back again. That often helps in productivity. Of course it shouldn't go out of hand..

@DrZaius3141

2 жыл бұрын

@@water8970 Imagine being pro exploitation. That's a super-weird stance to take, when you think about it.

Another brilliant Tom Scott video. A guiding principle in my life has been "always look for the bigger solution." Don't settle on a quick, cheap, short-term answer when there is a bigger, better long-term answer. But those bridges and ferries? What is the "bigger solution"? Anything "bigger and better" is likely to make it all-but impractical for ramblers and cyclists to cross that canal. Do we still need the Manchester ship canal? Probably yes. But are the users of that canal willing to subsidise ferry and bridge service for cyclists, pedestrians and tourists? Do they have the legal right or political standing to get them out of that obligation? There aren't easy answers here. We cannot easily reshape the world to suit our every desire. But thanks again for illustrating how complicated - and fascinating - the world we live in is.

Thank's for another great video Tom. I love these olden day system's that were put into place and are still kept by the local people till this day. I believe they should be kept indefinitely for the sake of historical purpose and so that people can still use today.

I use the Warburton bridge every so often. My Grandad uses it it about 4 times daily. This was an eerie video to watch

If it wasn't for the needed repairs (or replacement), that £250,000ish a year must be close to a break-ever number for the bridge.

@KainYusanagi

2 жыл бұрын

If it costs 8M to replace the bridge, then it's paid for itself over 32 years of tolls. The bridge has been in use, with said toll, for many more years than that, and those tolls were made when the pound was significantly more expensive, so those funds re-invested would have inflated in value over time, as well. Even if for whatever reason they were just banked... they've more than made the cost to replace the bridge.

@dreed100

2 жыл бұрын

@@KainYusanagi you are forgetting repairs, wages, insurance, accounting fees etc. In the past it probably was making money but 250k is not much these days. So it loses money

@gregor00005

2 жыл бұрын

@@dreed100 Hah, you think any money made was going to maintenance? Nah, just sit and collect. Once the bridge is in such bad condition it has to be replaced you force everyone to pay for it

@dreed100

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregor00005 bridges need regular maintenance or they will rust very easily. This bridge gets a car every 30 seconds so damage to it, to the road, is constant. Hence yes. It needs maintenance, certifications, inspections etc. Which happens as from the video the bridge does not look bad. Maybe the owner is indeed not paying for it, there is some requirement for third party to bear the costs. But based on toms video it does not seem the case Edit Judging from street view tough, not enough is indeed spent.

@namelessguy199

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregor00005 I can taste the salt

Thank you for your ten years! Your videos opened my interest in so many fields and eased me through my hardest times! Park bench, citation needed and two of these people are lying helped me a lot, too! Thank you so much! and hope to see you again!

I really appreciate the subtitles you always add. I know it adds effort / cost to the video, but it really helps!

With so many videos on infrastructure, how hasn't Tom done a video on the Eddystone Lighthouse yet?? It's an amazing story, check it out.

@markjones4704

2 жыл бұрын

or how the canal got finished with help of rate payers of manchester corporation

This has a real parliamentary train vibe about it. Random ferries and things running because it's less effort than killing them off!

Thanks for this video, Tom. I don't live far from the ship canal and in my 57 years I'd never heard of the ferries until now. Our family will be using them in the next week or two, just for fun...

Myself and a colleague got lost on a works do and went through this toll. We were both confused by its existence but laughed it off. The guy let us through without paying as we had no change haha! Thanks for covering Tom

The updated two shilling and sixpence toll was rounded down from 12 1/2 pence, when our halfpenny (said as HAYpnee) was scrapped in 1984. There were 12 pennies in a shilling.

@FroyourHistory

2 жыл бұрын

Literally 1984

@m53goldsmith

2 жыл бұрын

Don't know why they just didn't do away with the toll altogether, ie round it down to 0 pence!

@Candlemancer

2 жыл бұрын

@@m53goldsmith did you... not actually *watch* the video?

@bakerloobadboy

2 жыл бұрын

Just in case anyone is confused old pre-decimal money had 12 pennies to a shilling which became 5 pennies to the shilling after decimalisation. A sixpence coin was equivalent to two and half pennies but didn't survive the UK's switch to decimalisation

@mickavoidant4780

2 жыл бұрын

@@bakerloobadboy The only coins to be kept were the bob and two-bob bits. That's how one- and two-shilling coins were nicknamed and where the saying 'Not short of a Bob or two' came from. I used the saying in a job where we had three of our four engineers called Bob.

This 8 minute Tom Scott video is the definition of "if I had more time, this would have been shorter". Great job though!

I like this. A lot. My audit I did today, is measley and tight by comparison. Thank you for your work and time Tom.

This is one of the best yet, Tom. Thank you.

Oh good lord. Tom Scott in my neighbourhood. Hulmes Ferry was stopped for a year, because the old ferrymaster retired, so Peel had to find a new one, and train them up. Took time.

It's not often corporate indifference creates something nice.

I like the videos for their uniqueness and quirky ness, but what I love about your videos are the way you interweave the great wisdom into them...hats off to you

@larkdavis5730

2 жыл бұрын

📲✚④④⑦⑤②③⑥⑨⑨④③⑦wh𝔞𝔱s𝔞p✅& Thanks for commenting/

I really enjoy the improvised videos you make!

My mum worked on the Thelwall Viaduct for a time as an engineer, many many years ago. It's pronounced as it's spelled: Thelwall. Thankfully, that 'h' decided to be nice this time instead of trying to be a silent ninja and annoying everyone in the process.

ah Peel Group, who are happily allowing the bridges across the canal to rot away

These bits are works of poetry and art. Thank you very much!

Brilliant video. I've used all these crossings at some point and i love how they're maintained due to laws created such a long time ago.

I saw this title in my subscription tab and wondered what it was, then thought, Monday, Tom time.

His videos feel mildly educational so I don't feel guilty about watching them... haha

@maguy8133

2 жыл бұрын

Even a 100% educational videos don't give us an excuse. Since we can't apply it for job/career purposes (most of the time)

@DanS044

2 жыл бұрын

@@maguy8133 why feel guilty for enjoying yourself?

@taylorwarren2000

2 жыл бұрын

@@maguy8133 I don't have an excuse to watch educational videos because they don't directly apply to making money? That should apply to college, not ALL OF life and ALL the content you watch ever. What kind of a boring life would that leave you with? I enjoy learning all sorts of things even if they won't make me money. It's called wonder and curiosity. You might need a little more of that 😂

I really love your videos, they're super informative and fun 👌

This is a fantastic video, I feel like one of your best!!! Thank you!!

Amazing , I like how in depth you went

Local here: 1. you pronounced Thelwall right 2. the warburton toll bridge is going to have a price hike to £1

There's a bridge in Eynsham in Oxfordshire, that's 5p a crossing, it sold recently (2009) for £1,080,000 the owners get the income from it untaxed! It's a very busy bridge!

Amazing to see a story of my home village. I grew up in Thelwall (soft Th like theatre) and moved to Canada 40 years ago. The Pickering Arms pub has writing on it saying “In the year 923 King Edward the Elder founded a cyty here and called it Thelwall”. Thelwall means Wall of Trees (or thels)

Seems like a cool place

I drive over a little toll bridge near Bath every day which costs only 5p each way. The main toll bridge costs £1, and there are insanely long queues for it. It's really annoying to drive in and out of Bath, there's barely any way over the river Avon.

If you're in the area again, you might be interested in the Barton Swing Aqueduct, which carries the Bridgewater Canal across the Manchester Ship Canal. The aqueduct seals off at both ends, and the whole thing - still full of water - swings 90 degrees horizontally around its midpoint so ships can pass on either side. Still completely operational, along with the road swing bridge beside it.

That boat in the thumbnail is the most adorable boat Ive ever seen

an 11p rowing trip over a canal that has existed for 120 years has a very specific charme that is difficult to find outside the british isles

I love that Tom Scott has a thing for river crossings in the same way that Sam from We dover loves logistics and planes

I love all your vids, they are eye openers and brill. Keep going as long as you can please.

Love your videos Tom. Informative and entertaining. When you mentioned the Manchester Ship Canal, I was so hoping you'd include the Barton Swing Aqueduct in the video. What a feat of Victorian engineering, taking the Bridgewater Canal over the Manchester Ship Canal!

You've just written yourself off Peel's Christmas card list by publicising those ferry crossings.

@tncorgi92

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, they had their chance to provide input.

As a local, can confirm the pronunciation of Thelwall is “fell-wall”

@andy.robinson

2 жыл бұрын

Another idiosyncrasy for the video ("th" => "f") 😆

@michaelbrett2760

2 жыл бұрын

My mother is a former resident and has never pronounced it 'f'. Nor did my great uncle who was the ferryman for many years, or any of my relatives who still live in the area.

@phillmcmanus8601

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard it pronounced fell-wall, but only by people who also pronounce the fourth day of the week fursday

@davidearl4022

2 жыл бұрын

Thelwall is in Warrington and it's pronounced Thelwall

@TheNapalmFTW

2 жыл бұрын

That's just people who never had the F beaten out of them

Excellent presentation. Thank you.

Thanks for making great videos that I look forward to everyday. Thank you.

This proves that legal laws are no rigid fixtures, and just negotiations between some parties of people, saved such in some documentation. Their significance lies so long as the agreement between the concerned parties, that changes with time.

He's an excellent speaker. I wish I could borrow his voice for my interview this week. I'd get the job for sure!

Lovely work as always. Quite whimsical

Always love your videos, Tom.

Tom, it is a pity that you had to do your research at short notice because there is another interesting quirk about the Warburton toll bridge. The original toll bridge was over the River Mersey and predates the construction of the canal by some 20 years. When the canal was constructed and the new bridge was built, the toll was applied to it. You still cross the old bridge just after leaving the toll booth, You can see the original stone parapets and below it the original course of the Mersey, now dry and turned into farm land.

The Swinford Toll Bridge, in Eynsham, Oxfordshire charges (pre-Covid anyway) 5p for cars to go over it crossing the river Thames. On bank holidays they allow charities to collect there instead of the toll collectors

@kaitlyn__L

2 жыл бұрын

And they close at 9pm so some folks would pull-up at a siding at 8:55 and wait so they could go over it for free!

I work on the Manchester Ship Canal. It's brilliant to see a slice of my life on KZread. The North West has a good few other tolls as well: Runcorn Bridge x 2 Mersey Tunnels x 2

Gosh I love how subtitles are on all Tom's videos. And I've watched so many now that I can still perfectly hear his inflection and voice.

Tom: "I had a bit of spare time" Me: oh this will be fun

This is brilliant. Keep it up Tom

I don't know who you are, but your enthusiasm is infectious. Subscribed, and looking forward to more content.

@sparkeyjones6261

2 жыл бұрын

@@larkdavis5730 Benifitable advice in something real big and new! How can I turn that down?

Tom, I really love your short informative videos! But I totally would also watch longer films and and documentations made by you.