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I’d just like to point out that it’s equally unsafe and worrisome for patients. We need safer staffing ratios. The overworked and understaffed healthcare system is going to break!

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@gloriabridges6235

2 жыл бұрын

ThruthelookingGlass, just a reminder. The Nurse said herself, it was a slow day. She wasn't over worked or over tired. I understand some Nurses are over burdened with high patient ratios and long hours. That wasn't the case.

One thing I respect about RaDonda is she didn't try to hide what she had done, but confessed her mistake immediately. Now that's integrity and courage!

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

And if jail time is the result of that, nobody will want to do that going forward

Pulling everything through override and not waiting for pharmacy order entry seems the norm at Vanderbilt. How a nurse that got promoted off the floor didn't find it odd to have to reconstitute midazolam is scary. I still don't know why they didn't just give here an Ativan drip. Keeping vecuronium in a common pyxis/omnicell is just asking for trouble.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

I could be wrong but I’m more than sure versed as well as vecuronium as both liquids. Yes versed is a sedative and has never in my practice has been used as a paralytic. there’s a BIG difference between sedative and paralytic. What’s perplexing to me is that she was able to override a medication and have access to multiple meds at one time. If this is true that’s a big no no! Paralytics are normally stored separately even within the Pyxis system and is under (RSII) meaning RAPID sequence induction intubation. Meaning this medication is a high alert and should be used in certain situations ( NOT sedation). I do feel sorry for her, however not sure how long she has been a nurse but some medication errors just shouldn’t happen and this is one of them.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

She obviously made a mistake however her system seems to be very flawed to allow these types of mistakes to happen

@angelmay7898

2 жыл бұрын

This is true

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

@@angelmay7898 I was looking at the case more and the vecuronium was indeed a powder that had to be reconstituted.

@angelmay7898

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nursejanx I see. That’s unfortunate. It amazes that at no point and time during this (reconstitution) did anyone question it. Especially if the intended med doesn’t require it.

@formerfundienowfree4235

2 жыл бұрын

Read what happened to Drew Hughes the 13-year-old skateboarder. He was mismanaged from beginning to end and nobody went to jail for that. He died

Yeah and if you make a mistake it could be the end of the patient’s life as well. Incompetent engineers, truckers, etc go to jail when they mess us and so should nurses

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

Can you point to examples of engineers going to jail for mistakes?

@JourneyDestination

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nursejanx Brandon Bostian! Why didn't you ask me about truckers, or bus drivers?

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

@@JourneyDestination looks like Brandon Bostian was found not guilty of all charges.

@JourneyDestination

2 жыл бұрын

@@NursejanxBeing found not guilty doesn't mean he wasn't arrested and charged. If a jury finds a person not guilty, so be it, but when someone causes the death through gross negligence, then going in front of one is fair game. If my driver falls asleep on the road and causes the death of a bystander he will be charged. Many professions have been unfairly protected and that needs to end

Holy cow

Do you think the main issue was the year that she and the hospital covered it up ( or that’s what they are saying )

Sad, yes! she made a huge error. Charged with negligence homicide. Criminally negligence behavior causing the death of another. Yes she made a huge mistake but Criminally negligence I don't agree with. I would think a Criminal act must be voluntary. She did not wake up that day saying, I'm going to kill a patient today. I don't agree with a homicide charge. Hope she has a good attorney.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

Homicide only means the killing of another human being. Murder is when there is intent.

The ability to override vecuronium saves lives! If you have an emergency intubation you will need to override paralytic as there is no time for the order to go in. In order to understand the nuances you need to have experience in dealing with such agents!

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

Why not have a separate code med box for even faster response in a true emergency?

@LisaCapron

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nursejanx it’s stored in the code med area where I’ve worked.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

@@LisaCapron I've always seen code meds be in the code cart, not in the pyxis machine. Or if there is an ICU nurse responding to a rapid response, they may bring a box of ACLS meds.

@gloriabridges6235

2 жыл бұрын

Lyss L, as a Nurse, you can still follow protocols. Have a second Nurse recheck. Also, you have to monitor the patient after giving the med. She did neither. Tell me another one. I'm ready. The Nurse was reckless and negligent over and over. 15 to 18 times she ignored safety measures. Come on, hit me with it. There is NO excuse for her behavior. I'm not afraid to speak up. I've been a Nurse longer than most of you have been alive. Heard every excuse in the book. This was a preventable death.

It was not an accident. She ignored the label. She ignored the warning on the bottle. Those were her CHOICES. Someone compared it to driving with your eyes closed and that struck a chord with me. It’s Ludicrous to say it was a accident when there was no reason she couldn’t have double checked the medication after noticing it was a powder and not a liquid. If you subscribe to the Hippocratic oath you should be appalled by her lack of care and happy that she is being held legally responsible

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

There is a difference between saying someone should not be allowed to practice anymore for an awful mistake, and saying they should be charged for homicide. If that’s how things work, I hope everyone will be able to be their own nurse because nobody is going to want that job

@gloriabridges6235

2 жыл бұрын

Nursejanx, a consequence of homicide is prison. The party girl Nurse killed a person. Run a red light, kill someone or a family when you run the red light. No, you may not have killed on purpose but your reckless driving caused death. The Nurse ran not one red light but 15 to 18 red lights. How many red lights ( safety measures) was she going to run before stopping? No amount of red lights would've stopped her. She was negligent. Egregious, gross negligence. Follow the rules. She didnt. Go to jail. A good Nurse gives good care, trys doing best for the patient, we don't bypass rules, cut c o r n e r s, and run red lights so we can go back to the all important social time and chat with friends. Yeah, dig deeper sweetie. This Nurse was not who she wants you to believe she is. You look foolish taking up for her. Dig deeper. Learn the truth about her. By the way, she lied when trying to purchase AK 47 rifles. Just a hint of what I know of this Nurse you want to praise.

If the death certificate mentions " died of natural causes" why is she on trial !. This is a valid point and should be raised and the hospital and doctors should be held accountable too. If I were RaDonda, I would turn around and sue the hospital for setting me up to fail, with staffing shortages and faulty equipment.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

The natural causes is indeed concerning. How can you say she killed someone through medication admin if that is not what officially killed them?

@LisaCapron

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nursejanx additionally, the dose given was a dose we would have given a pediatric patient who weighed about 10 kg. There’s a lot of questions here and there was no autopsy because Vanderbilt tried to cover this up.

We are human. We make errors but...we are taught the 05 rights. Right patient, right med, right dose, right route, right site. We double check and we chart everything. I obviously don't have all the facts of the case but she's sure smiling and cursing a lot and presenting herself as a victim, a scapegoat, a martyr but she does so in a way that makes her seem like she's wanting to be held accountable. I don't buy it. Not sincere. I pray I never make a med error. 😢💙🙏 There's something off about her.We are human. We make errors but...we are taught the 05 rights. Right patient, right med, right dose, right route, right site. We double check and we chart everything. I obviously don't have all the facts of the case but she's sure smiling and cursing a lot and presenting herself as a victim, a scapegoat, a martyr but she does so in a way that makes her seem like she's wanting to be held accountable. I don't buy it. Not sincere. I pray I never make a med error. I'll never forget one of my colleagues making a med error in 1995. I worked float pool so some days I worked pediatrics, some days I worked in the lab drawing blood and taking urine and other samples. That particular day, I was working internal medicine. The doc gave my colleague a verbal order to inject a patient with delestrogen but the medical assistant thought the doc said estrogen. She injected estrogen IM. When she realized her error, she started crying and felt terrible. We were both 21 years old and fresh out of school. That day, I purposed to request a written order whenever possible and to double check the 05 rights of medication administration, and to examine the vial, ampule or package containing the drugs very carefully. I've never made a med error and I hope I never do but I have drawn the wrong color tube with blood once and one time I was anesthetizing a patient before a biopsy or minor surgery with which I'd been asked to assist and I grabbed a needle, a syringe and drew up about 05 cc of lidocaine with epinephrine. Before injecting him, I double checked to make sure I had the correct patient, drug, route, site, and dose. All correct but I asked him also if he had any drug allergies and he denied having any. I looked at his chart and he couldn't have epinephrine. Thank God I read his chart. When I chart drug allergies or other super important information, I use a red pen and I chart everything else in black so my colleagues find it easier to find allergies or if the patient is a minor, etc.

@HRU-ou3vi

2 жыл бұрын

How long you been a nurse?

@AlphaMom55

2 жыл бұрын

@@HRU-ou3vi I don't have a nursing license in the USA. In the US, I attained my license as a phlebotomist level 03 and a medical assistant specializing in pediatrics, internal medicine, and Surgical Dermatology and Cosmetics. My daddy is a physician and he has the utmost respect for nurses.

@HRU-ou3vi

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlphaMom55 please stay out of nursing business and thank you! You have no idea and your comment is irreverent! Thank you

@HRU-ou3vi

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlphaMom55 also your dad is not a nurse either! Medicine and Nursing are two different professions….thanks

@AlphaMom55

2 жыл бұрын

@@HRU-ou3vi irreverent? English isn't my first language but I think you're using the wrong word and yes, I practiced nursing, just not here in the US. 🙄

Stop making excuses for this nurse. I feel for her but she did not just make a mistake but was extremely negligent. She should have thought, oh if I am giving a paralytic agent, is this patient intubated or about to be intubated? She not only gave this horrifically wrong medicine but she gave it and then walked away from the patient, what ever happened to monitoring a patient after giving something as drastic as a paralytic agent? Yes we are responsible for what we do.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not making excuses for her, I just think locking her up in jail is not going to do any good

@lindaturner9806

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nursejanx if she gets locked up which I hope whe does, would be the justice in this awful situation. After she serves her time she will be set free to live her life, something the patient does not get to do.

I still believe that the error had no malicious intent. The verdict has single handedly contributed to the nursing shortage and the fear of being honest towards one's mistake. She already lost her license and she will carry the guilt for the rest of her life. Those are life sentences on their own. Putting her in jail will reinforce the flaws in the system and the idea that all the blame can be pointed at nurses.

So let me get this straight, they're going to pay us less compared to our counterpart in engineering or IT with similar degree, give us should little responsibility and liability, put us under tremendous amount of stress for their profit, ignore end and remind us and now they went to trial us for criminal charges for a medication mistake?? obviously was very unfortunate that it led to the dead of that lady I mean literally who would go into nursing now. if I had to do it all over again I don't think I would. This nursing shortage is about to get a hundred times worse in the upcoming years they keep treating us like this.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

The liability in this career is insanely high, and I believe compensation should ideally align with liability. I agree that many other professions do not face this level of liability, and yet due to economics of supply and demand, they may make more money than nurses. Healthcare is a unique business that deals with literal life and death on a daily basis at almost every interaction. Perhaps the trend of travel nursing demanding increased compensation is a reflection on the worth of nurses moving forward.

@BB-pg5kl

2 жыл бұрын

If she did not have to reconstitute the VEC I'd say you have a good point and a more understandable mistake, but alas she did and I can't wrap my head around being able to make that bad of a med mistake.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

@@BB-pg5kl She definitely messed up in a huge way. But Vanderbilt is at fault here too and where is that trial?

@BB-pg5kl

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nursejanx completely agree with that. Vanderbilt and the upper management there need charges brought on them as well for trying to cover it up. Read the TBI report with the nurses statements. Just wow I can't believe how many times she could have prevented herself from doing this. She even had a trainee with her that she could've had verify the med as a training moment...

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

@@BB-pg5kl I'm not saying she's innocent. I think an error like that is grounds for losing your license. It looks like homicide charges are new in this case, and that extra layer of punishment is going to deter people from entering nursing. Also, it feels political.

Bravo for a great breakdown of these events. So sad, and on a clinical level, was the charge nurse or risk management ever notified about the multiple over-rides from PYXIS?? Especially for the SAME PATIENT?? That becomes the horror of the story.

@Nursejanx

2 жыл бұрын

That’s definitely an issue. Thanks for the comment