Thoroughbred Won’t Stay on the Trailer

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  • @tracyjohnson5023
    @tracyjohnson50232 жыл бұрын

    An old cowboy once told me years ago that trailer loading issues are really halter broke or not issues. His take was that a truly halter broke horse should be able to be led anywhere. Lots of truth to that imo.

  • @sherryw-ponyluv-er2394
    @sherryw-ponyluv-er23942 жыл бұрын

    Fresh eyes on a problem can be so helpful. Love your videos Ryan.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @sseeback6754
    @sseeback67542 жыл бұрын

    That was a good analogy about the ramp being a gray area.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @rivert3dove254
    @rivert3dove2542 жыл бұрын

    Worked on race tracks and have seen some track trainers use heeler dogs to snit at the heels so stuborn horses will load fast. This horse reminds me of a horse tgat was treated that way

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow, I’ve heard a lot of stories from the track but that’s the first for that.

  • @rivert3dove254

    @rivert3dove254

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ryanrosehorsemanship worked on tracks frpm Texas Colotado washington State. The wores was California and New Mexico. When I saw these thing I reported to the track aurthities. You are a lot younger than I am and when we stop these practices we did.

  • @kristinemiller3185
    @kristinemiller31852 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for showing us the moments where things got a tiny bit "ugly." Also, I always get into a big rush when correcting or redirecting my horse, and you reminded me that sometimes we need to give them a minute for the lesson to sink in before continuing the task at hand.

  • @user-in9cq9qr3u
    @user-in9cq9qr3u6 ай бұрын

    Horses really love you Ryan, you can really see that with ALL the horses,( just like we do! ) I Appreciate your videos so much, they really help me in every way! God,bless you!!

  • @devenjones7231
    @devenjones72312 жыл бұрын

    I feel like it's also important to take them to fun places more frequently too, so they don't only associate the trailer with work and training. Imagine if we only used our cars to go to work, we'd have less of a reason to enjoy driving.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Definitely

  • @Matthewstu

    @Matthewstu

    2 жыл бұрын

    100%

  • @DS-ky9dl

    @DS-ky9dl

    2 жыл бұрын

    excellent point

  • @delishme2

    @delishme2

    2 жыл бұрын

    I had the same thought. I wonder if trailer time was training time, and he is done with the early morning training 😆🤷🏼‍♀️

  • @devenjones7231

    @devenjones7231

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@delishme2 As an off the trackie, it's going to take a lot of unconditioning and reprogramming to get him to feel comfortable trailering again. I bet it's borderline traumatizing for him, but this is how the industry destroys good horses. I'm just glad his owner didn't resort to abuse and got help from Ryan instead. It's quite sad to think about actually. These horses deserve a permanent vacation in my opinion.

  • @horsemom6421
    @horsemom64212 жыл бұрын

    Also remember the starting gates are similar to a trailer. I train racehorses & often time people don't take the time to get them comfortable going in the starting gates. So they get crammed in the gates & the rear door gets slammed quickly. Very scary for a lot of horses to go through that. I just starting the video 2:27 in so I just thought of that as I'm watching. Sorry if you address that further in.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    You bet

  • @audreygregis8721

    @audreygregis8721

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's a really good point! Totally makes sense. I worked at a racetrack when I was 22yo, many, many years ago.

  • @kidstuff44555
    @kidstuff445552 жыл бұрын

    Lots of OTTB have pull back issues, they're tied in cross ties, "leading" is just a person walking at their shoulder controlling them with an anti-rearing bit while they march around following the other horses. They're not taught to give to direct poll pressure from a halter really

  • @Matthewstu
    @Matthewstu2 жыл бұрын

    Totally love this guy and his approach to horses, thanks for the great videos and he is so right about the ramp

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍

  • @oaktreecottageequestrian5252
    @oaktreecottageequestrian52522 жыл бұрын

    Nice tutorial Ryan. I Great that you discuss pros/cons of step up vs ramp. Personally prefer step up. Remember OTTBs have done starting gates which is good experience... however there are an army of professionals dealing with horses on the track. I live in CA where fire danger is part of life so ita crucial we train them to load easily and effortlessly. Repetition is key. Also, placing the trailer so that the light shines IN to the trailer box makes it more inviting in the beginning stages.

  • @clairebutler5508

    @clairebutler5508

    2 жыл бұрын

    this was a great comment; i agree wholeheartedly, and am guilty of not training my horse to different types of trailers. I prefer step ups too as i've seen horses get hurt sliding off the side of a ramp.

  • @kathirice2058

    @kathirice2058

    Жыл бұрын

    Starting gates could also be a bad thing. You don't know.

  • @cadencefarm7005
    @cadencefarm70052 жыл бұрын

    Good job! There is timing, feel and engagement in abundance in this video.

  • @dreaming-of-spots6805
    @dreaming-of-spots68052 жыл бұрын

    I don't bribe my horses in with food, though I always have a few treats waiting for them in the manger area once they're on. More or less instant gratification + positive reinforcement for getting on lol. Also (not for all horses but for some, works wonders) gets their minds off immediately trying to back out if they're the type to do that.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship
    @ryanrosehorsemanship2 жыл бұрын

    To watch the full uncut version go to www.Patreon.com/ryanrosehorsemanship

  • @maggie2759
    @maggie27592 жыл бұрын

    Although, I don't know much about horses, I really enjoy your videos.. greetings from london, England..

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    thanks, Cheers!

  • @Matthewstu
    @Matthewstu2 жыл бұрын

    Everyone needs to realize how important the size of the trailer is, a 19 yr old horse that has always been in a big trailer simply won't like a 2 horse bumper pull, even after training.

  • @tracyjohnson5023

    @tracyjohnson5023

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. When I work with horses that have trailer issues, I always start out with my old stock trailer. It's much safer for the handler as well. Once all of the issues are worked out with my stock trailer, including teaching the horse to self load, we then progress to the owners trailer. With my own horses and the rescues, I train to self load on stock, slant and a 2 horse trailer as it just sets them up for success in life.

  • @richardharrold4357
    @richardharrold4357 Жыл бұрын

    You make a very good use of finding small but important behaviors that need to be addressed as applied to the entire process to reach sucess. Good job.

  • @chrisp7548
    @chrisp75482 жыл бұрын

    Very good video! I liked the full-length video on your Patreon page also. A good reminder that "slower is faster." Thank you!!

  • @jerrymaestas4942
    @jerrymaestas49422 жыл бұрын

    Great content 👌 Mr Rose!!!

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @fish4smb
    @fish4smb Жыл бұрын

    Amazing... Ypu figuring out the REAL issue behind refusals is such a huge deal... Kudos to you Ryan Rose - my favorite of all time trainer......THANK you so much for giving me tools to better communicate with my horse and developing a better partnership.... I hope i can attend one if your clinics someday.. 🥰🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😊😊

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 🙏

  • @SharonStar62
    @SharonStar622 жыл бұрын

    O Wow!! Another beautiful horse..🐴🐴🐴 Gorgeous they both are, I realy admired the patience you have...💝💝💝🐴🐴🐴

  • @evyrichard3610
    @evyrichard36102 жыл бұрын

    You are an incredible horseman and thank you so much for all you are doing. I imagine it can be tough to put a smile and a happy face everyday, life can be a handful sometimes. So keep heart please😊 All the very best wishes from ireland💚

  • @KingsMom831
    @KingsMom8312 жыл бұрын

    Thank for another video!

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    You bet 👌

  • @juliemills1695
    @juliemills169511 ай бұрын

    Great video - very useful - many thanks!

  • @lindarose9402
    @lindarose9402 Жыл бұрын

    You are soooo amazing training horses!! My Dad was awesome at breaking horses and showing cutting horses!! I barrel raced for years and my brother n law is a farrier for 35yrs. Plus my oldest son is named Travis Ryan Rose!!!! 👍♥️ Linda from Missouri 👍🥰♥️💖

  • @melanies.6030
    @melanies.60302 жыл бұрын

    Well done Ryan. I bet it will be a relief for the horse and owner when the pull-back issue is resolved.

  • @valeriehudson7276
    @valeriehudson72762 жыл бұрын

    Great identifying - the pull back is where he really go t worried and your timing in giving relief really made a difference -- he could let go

  • @jarjar0653
    @jarjar06532 жыл бұрын

    Use a stock trailer? Oh l made that comment before seeing whole video. I would use a stock trailer. I don’t like ramps either. 🙄 I like how you notice the small issues and work on them.great job Ryan as usual

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks 👍

  • @biddybella1354

    @biddybella1354

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol my horses actually trailered 9 hours in a stock trailer and won both of their races. So even though ppl giggled seeing the steel grey rattle box pull up at the track the horses clearly thought differently .... Of course they win and we upgrade the trailer and issues arose. Who knew? 🤦‍♀️ I'm currently selling my "fancy" trailer to go back to a stock.

  • @lindajayneclark767
    @lindajayneclark767 Жыл бұрын

    ❤ That was absolutely wonderful and exactly my thoroughbred mare’s problem… So I am going to apply pressure when she flies back and get her going forward and do the ramp walk with her. Thank you so much!

  • @meretefrandsen9340
    @meretefrandsen93402 жыл бұрын

    👍 love to watch you’r work with horses.

  • @donnakinsey2053
    @donnakinsey20532 жыл бұрын

    I have a 20 ft. stock trailer and no issues hauling any of mine…. But…. I rode with two of them at Christmas because one was colicky. Trailer rides are vet recommended to get things moving. My trailer is SO loud! Metal on metal is deafening! I have taken an old heavy cowhide that we had and anywhere metal touched metal on gates and latches I glued a piece of that leather. It helped a bunch!

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice 👍

  • @tracyjohnson5023
    @tracyjohnson50232 жыл бұрын

    I'm old enough to remember when people hauled horses in beds of pickups with racks on the side. They really had to step up then. I also remember the only ramp trailers were the horse vans. Great thing with those is that the ramps had sides on them which was great. Ramp on back and side so horses walked on and off with no backing up.

  • @Buckwheat916

    @Buckwheat916

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey Tracy I have used a stock rack and my horses usually really liked to ride in them one would even jump in on flat ground, a mustang I had didn’t like going under stop lights or over passes but didn’t have much choice while riding in it. The metal in these newer trucks didn’t hold up to a horse either lots of dents.

  • @daniel_moretti
    @daniel_moretti2 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful horse!

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    He is

  • @auggiedoggiesmommy1734
    @auggiedoggiesmommy1734 Жыл бұрын

    “I’m loving this moment, can we stay here forever?” Loved the placement of that song.

  • @ryans639
    @ryans6392 жыл бұрын

    Good stuff!

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks

  • @mrs.c5471
    @mrs.c54712 жыл бұрын

    Nice trailer, but a “open” stock would work better for this horse.

  • @tracyjohnson5023

    @tracyjohnson5023

    2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. I always start with a stock trailer when trainjng to load, safer tor all. Then we graduate to slant and 2 horse. I train self loading on stock trailer first too.

  • @breencullen1872
    @breencullen18722 жыл бұрын

    That was awesome

  • @Alex-horsman
    @Alex-horsman2 жыл бұрын

    Perfect!!!

  • @tracywilson1356
    @tracywilson1356 Жыл бұрын

    As a former race horse, maybe he’s used to being hauled in the big semi trailers, and this little trailer is not in his comfort zone, his I know this zone.

  • @tripleransom
    @tripleransom Жыл бұрын

    I've found that the full divider to the floor is a huge problem for many horses, because they find it hard to keep their balance without bring able to spread their feet. Many trailers now have 1/2 dividers, which makes it much easier. I think this horse must have had a bad experience in a trailer at some point and that Brenderup is very narrow for him. I've probably loaded 100's of OTTBs and seen many more and most of them are used to going on just about anything, cattle trucks, vans, whatever, because they get hauled around so much. What I'm saying is that he may have a valid reason for not wanting to stay on. One thing about ramp vs step up - if they can turn around and walk off a step up, it's fine, but I saw a horse who had to back out of a step up, slipped on the pavement, his hind feet went under the trailer, and he broke his leg, just that quick. At least that doesnt happen with a ramp. But then, i dont like slant loads either, so I guess it's all according to what you're used to. :)

  • @KingsMom831
    @KingsMom8312 жыл бұрын

    Great video Ryan. Will we get to see video of you guys at Jakes?

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Definitely

  • @KingsMom831

    @KingsMom831

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ryanrosehorsemanship awesome!

  • @nightoutforyou
    @nightoutforyou2 жыл бұрын

    Hello, I am looking for a video where you used a feed bag to help desensitize the horse and a standing at the post video. I’m not sure if it in Patreon or on here.

  • @rideontarget
    @rideontarget3 ай бұрын

    It's a Brenderup. No wonder why he doesn't like it. Lots of folks say that their horses would trailer fine until they bought a Brenderup then they became difficult to load. Most of these horses were a little more sensitive disposition wise. Try taking a ride in it yourself and see how different it hauls than a heavier, more sturdy trailer.

  • @ingridblohm-hyde805
    @ingridblohm-hyde8052 жыл бұрын

    Great to see that a BrenderUp can transport a thoroughbred and a draft horse.

  • @danw6014

    @danw6014

    2 жыл бұрын

    Buy an aluminum trailer. And haul with a pickup. If you get in a wreck with one of those trailers they are made of fiberglas and plastic. Small SUVs and cars plus small trailer won't have the braking capacity.

  • @topolinofarm9343
    @topolinofarm93434 ай бұрын

    my mare also has a pull back issue and will absolutely rear. We've worked on that BUT it never occurred to me that it is also THE problem with trailer loading more so than the actual trailer loading is. Haha. She will go in but doesn't like to stay in. Also an OTTB so it makes so much sense.

  • @lisafraser7446
    @lisafraser74462 жыл бұрын

    Oh my god 🤗. I have a 17 HH DWB does the exact same thing with the pull back ! And loading/Not ! Amazing 😁

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    😀👍

  • @Franklin-pc3xd
    @Franklin-pc3xd10 ай бұрын

    That looks more like an Appendix QH than a straight TBH.

  • @MH3GL
    @MH3GL2 жыл бұрын

    I've been watching you for the past 3 days. You have quite a gift, Mr. Rose. You really have something very special to offer. May I suggest investing in some additional production/equipment... It would really help your presentation and product overall. But that's just a passing thought. I'm here for what you bring to the table in your knowledge and experience, not how you dress it up. It's been a pleasure to discover you. Keep up the good work. 👍

  • @CrimeVid
    @CrimeVid2 жыл бұрын

    A lot of race horses don’t like to travel without their friend, could be a goat, a donkey, a cat( that’s a pain, you can’t lose it !) and to the embarrassment of a friend of mine, the oldest ,ugliest ,scabbiest old pony that there ever was, to turn up at a swanky racecourse !

  • @missvwilliams10
    @missvwilliams102 жыл бұрын

    Oh cool. Citra is like 5 miles from where I live. Never thought when I started watching your videos you would be in a tiny town in Fl in the middle of nowhere. 😂😂

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Lol awesome!

  • @SharonStar62
    @SharonStar622 жыл бұрын

    Woo!! What a beauty, O my he would catch my heart doing that,, i would of being letting him have his way.. I see such sweetness in him...💝💝💝

  • @SestraVixen
    @SestraVixen2 жыл бұрын

    Florida sounds so nice right about now - Says me from Wyoming 😆

  • @krismarsiglia9095
    @krismarsiglia90952 жыл бұрын

    Louder would be better, thank you. We have a horse that's weird and quirky, will self load. Have a chill gelding everyone wants to use...started with terrible trailering and went years fine...he now won't load to leave unless he knows there's a second person...he just needs to know there's a second person...we laugh because all someone has to do is drive up the drive and leave, never get out or even put the vehicle in park.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Will do, thanks

  • @witchhazel8583
    @witchhazel85832 жыл бұрын

    I had two crazy arabian mixes ,that were crazy to load. I then tried Monty Roberts way to do it. Pressure and release and back wards . The horses became so easy to load.

  • @noahchasinguitar5831
    @noahchasinguitar58313 ай бұрын

    Once the horse goes in the trailer and is relaxed… How do you know as soon as he starts moving, he won’t freak out and get hurt?

  • @Dallas6101
    @Dallas61012 жыл бұрын

    Seems like this makes a lot of work out of something simple. If the horse has done any kind of ground work and has been asked to move off pressure- both shoulders and hindquarters- you can teach them to self load without any of this drama. I typically start with presenting them to the horse trailer and tap them lightly on the shoulder with a dressage whip (whip is used as a cue to move) and when they take a step forward release and if you like you can offer a food reward. Keep tapping with the whip until they take a step and then release. My horse (unraced TB) used to take 45+ minutes to load in a trailer. Within 10 minutes of doing this he now self loads into the trailer within seconds.

  • @jessjones8592
    @jessjones85922 жыл бұрын

    Come to my barn and whip my horsey into shape!!! Im in FL. Lol.

  • @juliejenkins2376
    @juliejenkins23762 жыл бұрын

    As usual Ryan... Amazing job! Love your videos! I'm Sorry, I have to add, IF Dave was level 4 Parelli, he would've easily been able to sort this out himself. Unless we missed a lot of drama in this video, then it was a relatively simple process for a Parelli level four! So it's highly unlikely that old mate is actually level 4. This is why so many people are anti Parelli or "Natural horsemanship" in general. There are so many people out there who have watched a few videos or been to a few clinics and have decided that they're far more experienced and educated than they actually are. Worse still, they sometimes set themselves up as "trainers" and go around "training" horses using their half arsed methods and just making a total mess of things. That's when and why you get people saying that Parelli or natural horsemanship itself, doesn't work or that it ruined their horses etc. Not that I'm saying this is what Dave is doing, but people claiming accolades they're not entitled to, are a big part of the problem. This is also the reason the phrase "Natural horsemanship" has such negative connotations now. We all know it's not really "natural" it's just a buzz word. Natural would be not touching horses at all lol. But it's a phrase to explain a less brutal, more gentle and in tune with the horse, type of training. It's not new and even Pat Parelli will tell you that its not new and it wasn't invented by him or any one person in particular, he just coined the phrase, (I think??). That's why it's great that a lot of trainers these days just use the word "Horsemanship" and have removed the "natural" part. Horsemanship is just another name for horse handling and I think it's great. Anyhow, I'll get off my soap box now. This ended up being a LOT longer than expected, so I apologise. Lol

  • @kathrynmurphy-ug5qf
    @kathrynmurphy-ug5qf2 ай бұрын

    Ps EXACTLY LIKE SOMEBODY FORCING YOU INTO A DEEP DARK CAVE, TIDE COMING IN NO ESCAPE, JUST PRAYING ITS NOT A FULL MOON EXTRA HIGH TIDE, SO YOU ARE TRAPPED, AND MAY DROWN.

  • @WilliamFiler
    @WilliamFiler Жыл бұрын

    He just wants Daddy spend more money on a new trailer.

  • @eryngenievievedesable8592
    @eryngenievievedesable85922 жыл бұрын

    That bumper trailer may be reminding him of a starting gate. Think of a horse being shoved into a starting gate and having a door being locked down behind them.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Exactly

  • @leaannsavage2231
    @leaannsavage2231 Жыл бұрын

    ??? "A few moments later"??? Those were the critical few moments! What happened during that time?

  • @StormyNightWish
    @StormyNightWish2 жыл бұрын

    My yougest loves the trailer, she gets mad if she doesn't get to go and she the other horses going. When she does get to go she's so silly! She gets so excited. She'll practically drag you on the trailer. I do have to say she's never been on a ramp before but she has literally went up and down our wooden deck on her own, it wouldn't surprise me if I asked her or someone she got to trust she'd have no problem with it. When she was a foal I left it open and she played in it on her own. I didn't do anything special. Her mother loads fantastic so she had a great role model. I've had horses try and drag me away from trailers. Or just be so lazy they don't feel like riding home in the trailer they lean on the people encouraging from behind scooting them in. I have to say that particular horse hated ramps and the trailer we had at the time had a ramp. After I got the step up I never had a problem with him.

  • @michaelogden5093
    @michaelogden50932 жыл бұрын

    Can you train a horse to pick oranges?

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    🤔

  • @michaelogden5093

    @michaelogden5093

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ryanrosehorsemanship Florida specific.

  • @michaelogden5093

    @michaelogden5093

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ryanrosehorsemanship Using some of your techniques on my mule. All good. Thanks-

  • @PONYHEAVEN
    @PONYHEAVEN2 жыл бұрын

    Wow

  • @nunya8843
    @nunya88432 жыл бұрын

    Maybe the human needs to walk part way in. He's not being asked to go in.

  • @dreamweaverhorserescueange8638
    @dreamweaverhorserescueange86382 жыл бұрын

    john lyons and clinton anderson teach to allow them to back out and then reload over and over so they dont panic they loose the fear of being trapped if you dont "trap" them. they panic if you dont allow them to practice "not panicking". repitition repitition repitition

  • @trickedouttech321
    @trickedouttech321 Жыл бұрын

    The first thing you should have done is some groundwork and had that horse respect yoru space and understand your body language IMHO, he was nipping and up on you IMPOV

  • @trickedouttech321
    @trickedouttech321 Жыл бұрын

    you should have taken him out and put him on like 10 more time IMHO

  • @williamneely8366
    @williamneely83662 жыл бұрын

    He looks a little like the biscuit.

  • @linemeldgaardandersen3370
    @linemeldgaardandersen33702 жыл бұрын

    thats not a tap... when you can hear it on the video recording... - it is very possible to teach a horse to walk into a trailer without hitting them with sticks.. or tapping as you call it

  • @bordeauxfr1574

    @bordeauxfr1574

    2 жыл бұрын

    His voice in the video is really loud too even though he's far so.... I doubt he tapped that hard.

  • @linemeldgaardandersen3370

    @linemeldgaardandersen3370

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@bordeauxfr1574 again, when you can hear it in the video, its not a tap, if he was to tap a human like that, i´m quite sure they wouldnt call it a tap either ;)

  • @mrs.c5471

    @mrs.c5471

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@linemeldgaardandersen3370 that did not hurt that horse. Stop already

  • @carolynstewart8465
    @carolynstewart84653 күн бұрын

    And parelli level4 is supposed to be a good thing? Apparently not!

  • @jesaparron1289
    @jesaparron12892 жыл бұрын

    So my horse loads nice ( sometimes rushed ) but refuses to back out and starts quivering all over , he's completely calm inside , just refuses to back out

  • @tracyjohnson5023

    @tracyjohnson5023

    2 жыл бұрын

    How do you get him off the trailer? I had one like that. First I got him truly halter broke then I Loaded him at home drove around block and came back home. Then I opened back of trailer up, took his halter off and walked away. He finally backed off on his own

  • @jesaparron1289

    @jesaparron1289

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@tracyjohnson5023 Sally the horses completely halter broken saddle broke and it's a slant load so he just turns around and comes out face first if left alone

  • @tracyjohnson5023

    @tracyjohnson5023

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jesaparron1289 my horses all turn around to come out if they can. Might be worth a try to put him in a 2 horse with partition that goes to the floor and leave him loose to back out on his own. Still, it's one of those things that if you're fine with him turning around to come off your slant, have to weigh risk of him getting hurt trying to fix a minor issue.

  • @kathirice2058
    @kathirice2058 Жыл бұрын

    Oh poo! "A FEW MINUTES LATER." There's a lot of work in betwee. A lot of desinsitizing inside. I would never sneak around. That's asking for a bomb.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    Жыл бұрын

    Your welcome to watch the full video on my patreon page…… just sayin

  • @kathirice2058

    @kathirice2058

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ryanrosehorsemanship I may. Sorry for the poo. You know theres another hour or more of getting them right.

  • @williamneely8366
    @williamneely83662 жыл бұрын

    You know I love horses but we have large brains not so with 1000 lb babies ez solution- peppermints in great moderation bad tummy colic and laminitis!

  • @nogames8982
    @nogames89822 жыл бұрын

    He's not given a horse any direction there at the beginning. He's just standing there. The hell does he expect the horse to do

  • @sharonburgess9488
    @sharonburgess94884 ай бұрын

    Lost me at Perelli level 4.

  • @sseeback6754
    @sseeback67542 жыл бұрын

    I am having the issue of my horse going on fine but then rushing off.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    Watch the full video on my Patreon page and you’ll see a couple ways to fix that.

  • @stevischermi6409
    @stevischermi6409 Жыл бұрын

    Off the track....an abused race horse....yes... ABUSED...that's what racing IS!!! Anybody x-ray those feet and legs??

  • @tracyjohnson5023
    @tracyjohnson50232 жыл бұрын

    Yet another reason I don't like the parelli method lol

  • @j.walker3498
    @j.walker34982 жыл бұрын

    After seeing pros do this, watching this was difficult.

  • @Kimberlyk12
    @Kimberlyk122 жыл бұрын

    I'm not super against using negative reinforcement like you did, but I disagree with adding punishment when he crowds you. You instigate learned helplessness, for example he was scared to go over the ramp but he couldn't crowd you so it was obey or else, which causes stress and anxiety and then a horse that doesn't actually trust the trailer, but has accepted that it's obey or else. Does it work, yes, but I'd actually avoid the positive punishment aspect of this technique. We've used just the negative reinforcement aspect part of this demonstration and you can keep them below threshold and it always works without positive punishment. You could set it up like hunt the jump, where you gave them more space to avoid the ramp without crowding you and keep him going around until he chose the ramp and release the pressure and then advance it. I wouldnt set them up for something hard, that they can hardly do, and then punish when they don't feel comfortable on the ramp yet, but you've only left them room to crowd you.

  • @Goldenhawk583

    @Goldenhawk583

    2 жыл бұрын

    what if your trailer is parked ( ar an event or whatnot) in such a way that there is no space for being "nice". a horse that is more comfy trampling people than following the lead, will crowd and trample in other situations as well.

  • @Kimberlyk12

    @Kimberlyk12

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Goldenhawk583 this is training scenario, you should set it up for confidence and success. You would establish good loading skills and confidence before you made it harder without space. Plus I'd never punish crowding I'd teach that crowding isn't the right answer. So I wouldn't add punishment to get crowding to stop, I'd either reward "not crowding", or use negative reinforcement(pressure and release) to show crowding doesn't get the release of pressure, I wouldn't cause crowding and then get after them for it. You can teach horses crowding isn't something they can do without adding punishment

  • @Goldenhawk583

    @Goldenhawk583

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Kimberlyk12 i never once saw him beat up and scare the horse.. I am beginning to think you and I see " punishment" differently. I saw a horse being corrected in a way that is very understandable to a horse.. not a horse being punished. Setting it up to being able to find the right answer, absolutely, but it will fail a few times before finding that answer, thats how learning happens. I may be reading you wrong, but.. you would move further away to avoid crowding, giving the horse space to avoid the ramp, and avoid crowding. By you stepping out of the way, the horse is not having to work out that crowding is a bad idea, and at the same time, you may be too far away to give enough pressure to encourage going on the ramp. Not saying you cant, just saying i dont see anything wrong here. He did use pressure/release consistently.. so, that was not missing. I know this, a horse crowding a higher horse will be told off brutally if it fails to yeild to the first signal, a little waving with a flag, and a few taps, is not punishment for a horse ( when done at the right time, and not too much ofc). Als giving instant release once the horse gives any sign of being on the right track.

  • @Kimberlyk12

    @Kimberlyk12

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Goldenhawk583 I know Ryan has most likely used the concept of "hunt the jump," It's a negative reinforcement strategy to help the horse FIND the object you want them to work out themselves. You don't tell the horse to get on the ramp, you give them room to decide to pick the ramp or not, when THEY choose the ramp you release the pressure(pressure=exercise circles around it) You can reach them because you are holding a stick. Scientifically anytime you add a reinforcement to get a behavior to stop you have added punishment, it is called positive punishment in science, it is what it is. Is it abusive, not necessarily, can it be yes, but it did in this demonstration, cause unneeded fear, stress and anxiety in the training. And you absolutely can avoid causing any outburst like the type he got by using that reinforcement. Horses doing that to each other doesn't mean WE have to use it to teach complex training ideas to them. If it can be done without it, which it can, I'd avoid it.

  • @Goldenhawk583

    @Goldenhawk583

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Kimberlyk12 Well, I will agree we should not exactly copy the horse way, much too brutal, we could learn what they see as just respinse, and what they see and unjust response though. And I get what you are saying, and it seems to me it just a difference of degree more than method here. Thank you for a nice chat:)

  • @YOYO-ew8mp
    @YOYO-ew8mp Жыл бұрын

    ah this is a shame 😞 ive been really enjoying how you work with horses but not with you here, ben hart at harts horsemanship is better or kelly marks . be interesting to listen to what you think of their methods?

  • @DougHinVA
    @DougHinVA6 ай бұрын

    a bad country-pop record plays to ruin it

  • @noninoni9962
    @noninoni99622 жыл бұрын

    LOL... ". . . won't stay ON the trailer." Don't you hate it when they FLY up on top of the trailer and jumps around, putting lots of dents and holes in it and breaks the skylight?!? Seriously though... can you turn your sound up before uploading for us ex-military with ears blown out like a bunch of ex-cowboys who get bored and target practice too much?? Thanks.

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @carolynraley4047

    @carolynraley4047

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your service and sacrifices.

  • @carlosmartin4127
    @carlosmartin41272 жыл бұрын

    Early

  • @ryanrosehorsemanship

    @ryanrosehorsemanship

    2 жыл бұрын

    It was!

  • @Amanda-pb9ry
    @Amanda-pb9ry2 жыл бұрын

    When you get to the point that you've created an intense reaction, hide the video until you get him on, and quietly trap him in trying not to set him off, you've really not done this horse service nor their owner. That horse wasn't ready and if he freaked out, which you seem so aptly ready for, this would've been a disaster and you've would've been liable. That trailer was way too small to train that thoroughbred to get on, much less actually transport him. Whacking a horse while he is in that heightened state of mind only makes it worse for him, which is why he freaked out when you tried bringing him in to the trailer before you cut the video. You can really screw up a horse this way and I've seen it happen. Its a quick fix but you've done some longer term damage that will need to be dealt with. You've also lost the trust of that horse. I thought you were a half way decent trainer but the more videos I watch, the more I see you unnecessarily add pressure and pain to an animal, the more I realize you are just taking short cuts. That isn't training. That's a one trick pony because it doesn't work every time and you cut video to make it look like it works. Dishonest and bad training. I hope you fix the path you're on.

  • @rachelalmondstorm1625

    @rachelalmondstorm1625

    2 жыл бұрын

    Supposably you can see the cut out part on his patreon page

  • @DragonHeart5150
    @DragonHeart51502 жыл бұрын

    It would better if you stopped talking and focused your attention on working with the horse, then afterwards, narrate. Working with a horse should always take 100% of your attention not the camera.

  • @kathrynmurphy-ug5qf
    @kathrynmurphy-ug5qf2 ай бұрын

    SO WRONG TRAILER FAR TO SMALL, AND WHY DID YOU NOT I REPEAT NOT,,,,,, PUT TRAILER INTO LIGHT?????? PITCH BLACK HOLE TO A HORSE, NO BAD VIDEO,,,,,, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST PUT IT INTO THE LIGHT. PITCH BLACK. ALSO, I THOUGHT YOU WOULD KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES HORSES TO ADJUST LIGHT TO DARK, MANY MINUTES.

  • @9796906584
    @97969065847 ай бұрын

    My mare will fight until she drops on the ground from exhaustion. A 6'4" cowboy with a big stick had her in the trailer in less than 2 minutes. I just don't have that stature and strength to control the situation. She bolts backwards once she gets in the trailer. So dangerous!

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