the lutheransatire video was the most reddit thing possible. glad someone's finally saying something about it

@MeanBeanComedy

2 ай бұрын

Oof! He got branded as "Reddit." The stamp of death... 😳😱💀☠️

@marvalice3455

2 ай бұрын

I have a vice of trying to apply reddit brain to Christian apologetics. It really hurts charity, because there is no love in that mind set. I think we need to remember the bell curve meme. There is value wisdom dedicated to God, and there is value in being a simple man, but there is no value in pride

@alonsoACR

2 ай бұрын

​@@marvalice3455 Being particularly clever can be very dangerous, as it can very quickly turn into being proud of your intellect. This is the path that leads many to commit Lucifer's sin, or rather Adam's: "To be like God, knowing good and evil" And indeed they try, and think they do. You rebel against the Supreme, putting yourself as King, redefining some things, recreating others, and murdering your own soul. Therefore you make up your own morality, and right after that making it into the absolute rule of the Universe. When you realize you don't truly know good and evil, you may hopefully humble your intellect as you conclude you're absolutely clueless (as you are); or you could keep your pride and doubt whether good and evil even exists, which is an unnatural state for the mind to be in, even more so than atheism. You shall always feel there's something quite wrong about skinning cats for entertainment. If you had any heart, you'll hold on to some semblance of morality, but founded by faith in man and not God. It shall be twisted, made by minds that cut themselves off from the Logos that is the bulwark of all that is actually rational and sane. God have mercy on you then. This path leads to the gradual loss of your soul and sanity, as is obviously freaking natural. I just wrote a small snippet of how it may look like, but I could write a book on this. Not recommended.

@neoplatonicrelationship

2 ай бұрын

​@@MeanBeanComedy the video was a case of widespread brainrot, consisting of a bunch of unfunny jokes for an audience of people who wanna front about knowing theology. in other words, it's reddit.

Please pray for me to overcome lust. 🙏

@Jack-uo7gz

2 ай бұрын

I'll pray for you. Please pray for me.

@Jake-ek2le

2 ай бұрын

Pray for me too.

@jcers

2 ай бұрын

Omnipotens sempiterne Deus, qui amandi desiderium ad humani generis propagationem nobis praestitisti et matrimonii sacramentum, ut idem desiderium perficiendo sanctificemur, instauravisti: da nobis in via semper ambulare castitatis, ut consortes fieri mereamur tuae Deitatis. Per Dominum nostrum Jesum Christum Filium tuum, qui tecum vivit et regnat in unitate Spiritus Sancti Deus: per omnia saecula saeculorum. Amen.

@exerciserelax8719

2 ай бұрын

@@Jack-uo7gz Thank you. Praying for you. 🙏

@exerciserelax8719

2 ай бұрын

@@Jake-ek2le Praying for you. 🙏

Hey man, I just watched the debate you had with David Erhan as a inquirer into Orthodoxy for roughly three years you raised some good points, you seen like the only real charitable Catholic in debates most of the time, I stepped out of RCIA to run to Orthodoxy because it was just so amazing compared to the lacking novus ordo parish near me in my city here in Tennessee but you started to help me open up and be open minded again and try to push back my personal bias for the pursue of truth in Jesus Christ, thank you my man

The river analogy is not just patristic, it's straight out of Scripture: "And he shewed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb." Revelation 22:1

The video of the Psuedo intellectual Lutherans mocking St. Patrick really did ruin how people see analogies of the Trinity. The point of an analogy is to be analogous not to be 1 on 1.

@apologiaromana4123

2 ай бұрын

Glad to see you here

@user-zi7gd9pn3l

2 ай бұрын

Lutherans ruin everything.

@hap1678

2 ай бұрын

@@apologiaromana4123 God bless you!

@apologiaromana4123

2 ай бұрын

@@hap1678and you!!

@hweiktomeyto

2 ай бұрын

He did say that the intention was to show the errors of each analogy, not to label St Patrick as a heretic, to be fair.

I've met plenty of children who understand how analogies work, but Ive yet to meet a child who understands the distinction between essence and person

But what about the implied Trinitarian heresies of those analogies? I think that should be taken seriously.

@reeldisconnect2590

2 ай бұрын

Just be sure to point out the parts where the analogy stops working if or when you ever use them

@Dilley_G45

2 ай бұрын

The whole point of Lutheran Satire is teaching disguised as humor. It is a good channel

Christian your updated content style and new thumbnails are great, keep it up, it immediately gives your channel a massive boost visually and looks a lot more professional

God bless you. 🙏

I was planning to explain the Trinity, so I watched that video, then I decided not to make any video cuz now I dont know how to explain the trinity.

@holyromanemperor420

2 ай бұрын

Hey man, good to see another Indian Catholic here.

@ThatIndianCatholic

2 ай бұрын

@@holyromanemperor420 Yes! Awesome Where are you from?

@holyromanemperor420

2 ай бұрын

@@ThatIndianCatholic Kerala, you?

@ThatIndianCatholic

2 ай бұрын

@@holyromanemperor420 Mumbai

15:09 - Interestingly, Matt's experience using analogies in children's catechesis, according to him, did not go so well, which is why he does not use them much.

It's a funny video, but it ignores the fact that we can just qualify the analogies we make

@MilitantThomist

2 ай бұрын

It’s not funny.

@MeanBeanComedy

2 ай бұрын

​@@MilitantThomistYou didn't laugh once? Freaking Germans... 🙄🙄🙄

@thomasthellamas9886

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitantThomistit’s funny

@CMVBrielman

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitantThomistC’mon Patrick

@animalcart4128

2 ай бұрын

​@@MilitantThomist🙄

When the jesuits came here to brazil to evangelize the natives they used passionfruit threes leafs as an trinitarian analogy, very similar to the use St Patrick did of the clovers.

Amen. I remember when it first came out, analogies treated as the analogies they are are analogies!

Someone needs to show this video to Redeemed Zoomer. He quotes this video mannnnyyyyy times that I’ve seen on his channel and on others in dialogues and such. Like, to the point that if you make an analogy about the Trinity, he will literally immediately reference that video every single time that I’ve ever seen, maybe unless it’s just an inappropriate context, but it’s clearly deeply affected him and he continues to propagate it.

Isn't the whole focus of defining heresies to frame which things are out of orthodoxy? Surely the conflation "is like" and "is exactly like" thing of the Lutheran Satire video is, well... satirical. It still does point out a key issue: stay aware to not project the analogy back onto theology, keep in mind that the analogy falls short.

@littlefishbigmountain

Күн бұрын

If interpreted this way, the point of that video could be taken to be in harmony with this one, so long as you assume they weren’t outright saying not to use analogies. The only problem is I’m pretty sure they did? I would need to rewatch it, it’s been a while. Plus once he recites a theologically dense definition they say “Why didn’t you just say that?” which is obviously the punchline, but it does seem to put them at odds as it seems to be saying to just stick to theological formulations rather than analogies because analogies can be misinterpreted (because we forget the dissimilitude)

That video annoys me for some reason. I can't stand reading comments that say, "That's Modalism Patrick."

@thomasthellamas9886

2 ай бұрын

“That’s modalism Patrick!”

@Sicilianus

2 ай бұрын

because its Catholic Inc/pop apologetics humor

Dudes taking a satire piece waaaaaaaaay too seriously. Loosen up a little

interesting, would you be able to explain the theology of confirmation through analogy to Gods little ones

Can I still use the Athanasian Creed when explaining the trinity tho?

@bengoolie5197

2 ай бұрын

Vatican II Catholics and all Prots. do not go anywhere NEAR the Athanasian Creed!

@nicholasshaler7442

Ай бұрын

Absolutely.

While there is no analogy that can explain the Trinity as a whole - because explaining the trinity as a whole is impossible, is it possible to say that various analogies can explain aspects of the Trinity? I'll often explain the Father's begetting of the Son with how mass results in gravity. The gravity never exists without the mass, and the mass never without the gravity. There is a clear causal relationship between mass and gravity, yet the gravity is not created by the mass, and never once existed without the gravity. Gravity is a necessary result of mass, mass cannot exist without gravity and vice versa, despite it being clear that mass causes gravity. Does it explain anything else about the Trinity? No, but it can explain a part.

@MilitantThomist

2 ай бұрын

You should watch the video :)

@telstraRobs5

2 ай бұрын

I suppose I should 😂

@telstraRobs5

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitantThomist Just finished, I should probably watch videos before commenting. FWIW I wouldn't say you were harsh either. This is a very serious topic and it was handled charitably.

C'mon, Patrick, don't be a Patrick.

@MilitantThomist

2 ай бұрын

You do realize they're mocking St. Patrick, right?

@SancteCuthberteOraProNobis

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitantThomist How are they mocking St. Patrick? Sure they use language that might be irreverant and the video has a comedic attitude but I don't see how it is mocking St. Patrick. It portrays him as a good Bishop trying to explain the Trinity in a simple way to the heathen irish.

@MeanBeanComedy

2 ай бұрын

​@@MilitantThomistBut that's not actually St. Patrick.

@Jiujitsuspecialist

2 ай бұрын

​@@SancteCuthberteOraProNobis Sure sure.

@RevancedBurner

Ай бұрын

​@@MilitantThomistHans is not mocking Saint Patrick. It's satire meant to point out how poorly catechized the average person his and how little they know of the nature of the Trinity. It is against a shallow faith that never gets past tutorial mode

I'll laugh at it, but good points raised.👍🏻

The only thing Hans gets wrong there is that while all analogies are wrong, some are useful in some respect.

i love trinitarian analogies, i love thinking about them at work. i love thinking about the proper negations for them. i HATE Catholic Inc!

This is a good pushback against those who go overboard in describing how our analogies are dissimilar to God in fundamental ways. But I think the best way to make the Trinity real to kids is to use the words of Christ. To get kids to understand that it is only through Christ that we know God as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. That Jesus is the son who is the word of the father. And that he and the Father are one. When you have established that Jesus is the source of this knowledge about God ... the you can start talking about how they are one. And here it is important that we define what we mean when we say that God is like anything. Kids can understand notions of degree, of similarity and dissimilarity. But once that is established, then yeah, use the clover. Use the three states of water.

But that’s real theology, Patrick. Yeah Patrick, real theology takes effort, thought, and precision.

Matt Fradd? What does he have to do with a Lutheran satire site?

@tiagoviana5161

2 ай бұрын

He wrote an article saying that analogies are bad

@carolinafine8050

2 ай бұрын

@@tiagoviana5161thanks for the explanation

I find it interesting that Luther could use an analogy for justification being like " a iron rod united with fire ,which then becomes a glowing rod" which is an analogy that seems to totally contradict his own theology of extra nos, imputation only justification. This video came at a perfect time though. I was invited to speak to a group of non denominational Christians in a few weeks. The topic is the holy Trinity. These are young adults. Had I not watched this video, i probably would have mocked all analogies of the Trinity instead of showing the similarities vs dissimilarites of the analogies.

@yeetoburrito9972

Ай бұрын

Hi! I think the iron rod bit was actually imagery the Reformers and some Church Fathers used to talk about the Eucharist, I could be wrong though, cheers!

@nickynolfi833

Ай бұрын

@yeetoburrito9972 I believe luther used it in both justification a d the eucharist

🔥 Had to be said. Lutheran Satire is the same one who attacks our based Holy Father and present him as a hippy. That channel can't stop making dangerous coal

@pavelthefabulous5675

2 ай бұрын

It's all gems, and you know it.

@lordbendtner9328

Ай бұрын

​@@pavelthefabulous5675 tuberculosis

I think it would be a good example to your followers if you wore a suit, for a number of reasons.

@VACatholic

2 ай бұрын

@torchanddog it's only a larp if you're acting my dude.

@MeanBeanComedy

2 ай бұрын

​@torchanddogNo, just a suit. It's not a larp. It's dressing nice. Don't you wear one every week to Church?

@thomasthellamas9886

2 ай бұрын

@torchanddog”one of the least important things ever.” I know it’s hyperbole but dang dude. That’s some absurd levels of over emphasizing.

@MilitantThomist

2 ай бұрын

I’ll hear you out

@VACatholic

2 ай бұрын

@@MilitantThomist I wrote a long reply. Please let me know if KZread deleted it.