► FREE E-Book - www.lebestark.ch/startseite-english/kettlebell-code-e-book/ «This Should Have Been a Blog-Post!» | AXE Review by Pavel Tstatsouline I've encountered this notion as I was sifting through Amazon reviews for Pavel's new book "AXE." It even popped up in the comments on our KZread channel, albeit worded a little differently. While I can't say that I disagree with this sentiment, I don't agree either. Yes, the workout protocol can be summed up in a few sentences-or in a short video like the one we posted recently. Explaining the system behind it takes more effort though… and here's where things get a little murky…

I’ve been physically training for my entire adult life and exclusively with kettlebells for approximately three years. At age 60, I’ve never felt stronger, faster, or had better mobility. Simple and Sinister was life changing. 👌🏼

Basically, your workout choices aren’t between going full-tilt, all-out or a slow walk in the park. Incorporate as many modalities as time permits and that align with your long-term goals. Great video, and my appreciation for you went up even more with your inclusion of Dr. Layne and Dr. Mike 👍

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! 💪

I'll say this: I use HIIT almost exclusively, with endurance rounds on heavy bags and kettlebells, and it's lead to me being able to spar twenty rounds in a row, at 48😊

Think of it as cluster training with smallest sets and long rests. Approach it from the perspective of fitness and fatigue instead of energy systems. You get lots of first reps, which are powerful and clean because you aren't taxed.

Ok. I just tried it. I did a 24kg bell x5 snatches/cycle. I active rested with inside/outside mills with a 15lb club x3/side I used the 20 minute option. I enjoyed the workout. It wasn’t devastating. And a little different variety than the S&S plan. I did some heavy goblet squats with a 40kg bell and heavy club 360s with a 45lb club with Hindu pushups. Obviously. One session isn’t gonna make or break the hypothesis of the book. I just came across this before training and figured wth. I’ll give it a whirl. Thank you for the video and the ideas as always!

I did an early version of this protocol that was aimed towards the martial arts crowd, minor differences. It worked pretty good. It was a great supplement to hard rolling being basically zone 2 training with kettlebells. If you don't feel like going for long slow runs, this works.

Thanks for this video it really clarifies things for me. It’s a rather confusing book , I’m a kettlebell enthusiast but It seems that this book or protocol it’s not for everyone since it states that if you haven’t achieved the simple as in S&S (which I read) or the snatch test you’re not qualified to follow this program. I did find some valuable information BUT the idea that most of the information and statistics comes from some obscure soviet “ doctors, researchers or whatever he calls them” doesn’t really make it valid. Anyways it was an interesting and confusing read. Honestly, I don’t think I will spend money on another of Pavel’s books.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Glad to be of service!

Thanks for all the work you put into this video! As a newly post menopausal, relatively deconditioned woman just getting back into KB training, this way of exercising seems to be in alignment with the needs of us as we age to not jack up cortisol too much as the loss of progesterone makes it difficult to manage that. Along with 2 super slow strength training session 2X/week for 20 min, I'm going to try this on the other two workout days I am experimenting with per week, but start with 10 min and work up from there, doing rebounding between sets. I'm curious to see what happens. Peace!

Back in the day it was warmup with wall squats, halos. then one set of 20 swings but 2 mins active rest then building up to going into 20 swings with one min of rest for 20 total mins. It worked

@Strider86

4 ай бұрын

That sounds fun!

Thank you for your in-depth analysis. I did not expect this level of journalism when asking about your opinion on Kettlebell AXE a while back. This video also changed my perspective on HIIT and the Pavel approach. Best from Berlin 🎉

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I wanted to give the book the proper review it deserved.

Well thought through and informative video. Well done Gregory!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the feedback, brother!

Love this analysis. It makes the subject very accessible and the differences in training Philosophy are fascinating.. Thnak you for posting.

@lebe-stark

3 ай бұрын

You‘re welcome!

I love kettlebell training but I’ve never done Pavel’s program. Just not a fan of only doing swings or program being swing heavy. Geoff Neupert is my go to guy, but even now your recent video WOW #226, is my favorite workout to do. I even split it up into different days so I can do more volume and go all out on my grinds and ballistics movements. Keep it up, Gregory! Soon your name will be up there with the other kettlebell greats.

much ado about nothing. It is the same old Pavel. You read him for a few chuckles, discount the science, and just follow the protocol and see some gains. If you tweak his program by altering the resistance or rests or periodization, you may see some gains because it is simple and difficult...which translates into results.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! 💪

Can you please tell me what brand of workout clothing she is wearing? Thanks!

Thanks for the interesting and insightful discussion. At 19:30, the guest, Rob Robergs, says something like "we need to go down to maybe a quarter of what this approach is advocating", referring to the 6 to 12 second work intervals. I wonder if he took into account the nature of ballistic exercises like the kettlebell swing. Six to twelve seconds of a kettlebell swing is not the same as six to twelve seconds of sprinting or of a barbell exercise, where you're constantly under tension/load. Kettlebell swings are themselves like mini intervals, with you only being under tension at the beginning launch phase and then again at the end, during the catch. This is why 10 KB swing reps aren't the same as, let's say, 10 deadlifts. With deadlifts I'm under tension the whole time, but for the swing, only for a fraction of the time. And perhaps this accounts for the 4X difference he's talking about.

Love the public drop of your Faith! Love your material. Keep it up!

Very interesting video as usual Gregory - I always feel a little bit smarter by the end of one! On another note, I’ve always been intrigued by the heel lift you perform when doing a single hand swing or snatch. Is it a conscious movement and, if so, what is the thinking behind it?

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

It‘s a technique that‘s been referred to as the „Foot Kick“.

The sience behind the book could be a bit erhh but Pavel's message is not that bad. Most people are not ready for TRUE HIIT training. They usually train nowhere near "High intensity" level or with bad forms or poor recovery or all of them combine which lead to injuries.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Form always takes collateral damage when intensity is high and less recovery isn't bad. Injuries happen because load exceeds capacity.

What a great comments on another idea! I'm always impressed on how you dig deeper and it's always inspiring and motivational to me. Here I my thoughts: What about use AXE idea to create kettlebell aerobic workouts, based on heart rate, similar to runners' aerobic endurance-building sessions? I found out, that choosing pretty heavy KB (about 85-90% of strict press 1 rep max) I may use this protocol for 40-60 minutes, keeping heart beat at aerobic pace. Workouts become pretty relaxing and create surprising muscle fatigue. You can create supersets of any exercises. For example: Session 1: EMOM clean and jerk 4 reps, changing arm each minute Session 2: EMOM push ups 10 reps / ballistic row 20 reps (10 each arm). Choose right weight-to-reps ratio not to exceed aerobic heart rate. Greetings to all Lebe Stark fans from Poland. Stay Strong!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Sounds like a solid EMOM workout; Thanks for sharing! 💪

Naked warrior and S&S are great books. Fair play and thank you for deep diving this new one to share with us.

Do what suits you! When I do conventional training, i do get the result but i can't do much or don't want to throughout the day HERE COMES THE KETTLEBELL! EXPLOSIVE/HEAVY WEIGHTS AND *AMPLE REST FIXED IT SOMEHOW.

Hey Gregory! Thank you for the professional review of Pavel's new book and for your commitment to kettlebell sport. Side question: Do I see a new green Apollo kettlebell from ProKettlebell USA in the video? Unfortunately, I couldn't find any place to buy these innovative Kettlebells in Europe (DACH). Become an importer! Then I might even pick them up personally! Sporty greetings from Germany!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

You can order directly from them; they deliver internationally. Use this for 10% off -> prokettlebell.com/online-store?aff=37

Thank you for your excellent review. When I saw these axe workouts I was sort of meh. However, I am a 60-year old competitive runner and I need strength training. Doing two high intensity running workouts a week I really cannot afford a HIIT kettlebell workout-- when I am injured I do tons of KB snatches and C&P, otherwise I cannot. I have followed for 9 months Dan John's Easy Strength, twice a week, doing 2x5 OHP, trap bar DL, Pullups, Ab wheel and farmer's walk. Fantastic plan, I've never been so strong. However, when competitive season starts next March I already tested that it is hard to fit that plan, so I could try this axe for variety/maintenance (and some power development maybe), then restarting Easy Strength in June.

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

Keep us posted about your progress!

I have to see the whole Rob Robergs interview! Thank you for this. This channel is like one of my college courses its awesome the science you give. Thank you for doing this work for us

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate your feedback! The podcast with Prof. Robergs is really enlightening.

I think the main benefit of such training is that it allows you to do a lot of reps with good technique and effort while keeping your heart rate elevated for a long period of time. It controls fatigue and gives you a high stimulus to fatigue ratio. The main benefit to me as a proponent of high volume training for health is that it allows that high volume in a safe and sustainable way. Therefore, AXE belongs in the same bucket to me as GTG, it is form of volume training with limited fatigue.

Thanks for the review!

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

It’s a lot of snatches with enough rest. It works. Pavels stuff works. And i do sport as well so not hating.

I love Pavel’s A+A protocols. I did 5 weeks recently with snatches and swings. Coupled it with some barbell training and other exercises. Served me very well. I couldn’t recommend Pavel Tsatsouline’s programs enough especially if your goal is to be as healthy as possible at any age. The methodology is Volume without Fatigue. The point is you can build a wide fitness base with “easy” work. Then every 2 weeks you take a glycolitic workout to spice it up to give yourself some gains. If read thoroughly you will see Pavel does recognize the importance of glycolitic workouts but taken sparingly if you are not training to peak for some event. Anyone who has competed for several years at a respectable level will be able to recognize the truth in this methodology. Fires Zahabi who trained George’s St Pierre is someone who highly agrees with this approach. Consistency over Intensity. But I digress.

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! 💪 I enjoy some of Pavel's protocols as well! They're not magic; but a fun way to train. I agree about athletes following periods in their prep (GPP, SPP, Competitive and Post-Competitive). In the competitive phase, they adjust to the compition climate. However, the general population doesn't need that approach but a mix of everything.

@Strider86

4 ай бұрын

@@lebe-starkYes sir I agree. His protocols cover those. It is generally recommended for a beginner to start with Simple and Sinister. Go through that until they become stronger. Then after owning good technique add in weekly times challenges where you attempt 100 swings in five minutes and 10 get up in 10 minutes. After 12 or so weeks on that then switch to something like Axe for 6-12 weeks. Or Quick and Dead for 12 weeks then Axe. No magic but it is pretty comprehensive way to train. There is also the Rite of Passage training where the goal is to press 1/2 body weight with a single kettlebell and achieve 200 snatches in 10 minutes with 24kg.

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

I‘m aware of his programs and while I enjoy some of it, it‘s just his way of training. We follow a completely different approach in our work.

@Strider86

4 ай бұрын

@@lebe-starkI agree

really well put video. it seems that the agenda want us to think that if you do kettlebells you should not train to failure or near failure! great work lebe! greeting from posadas misiones argentina

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

Thanks, brother! Sending love to Argentina; the homeland of Jeronimo Milo!

@LIC.GAMGUT

4 ай бұрын

@@lebe-stark the ultimate professor

The science part is definitely not aligned with other research I've seen or heard about. He also cites a lot of old studies when there are new studies out all the time filling in more of the gaps. Inigo San Millan and Peter Attia have 2 long conversations about lactate and zone 2 that I recommend anyone listen to, who wants to know more about enhancing mitochondrial function and biogenesis.

@Filipp81

2 ай бұрын

That's how you train for endurance. Add heavy weights and you get axe program

The program itself can be one paragraph and the theory behind it can be explained in one page with someone with general knowledge of energy systems.

Another book packed full of long form copy that can be summed up in a page or two. I’ve bought the book and I’m pleased with the results but I skipped the filler.

Solid, thoughtful intro, Coach!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it, brother!

Excellent, in-depth description and analysis....thanks man...

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Thanks for the great summary

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Added WLC book recommendation to my queue. You may also enjoy The Everlasting Man by G.K. Chesterton.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate the book recommendation; just added it to my wishlist! Thank you! PS: 40 pages in WLC's book and I thoroughly enjoy it!

@robertduluth8994

4 ай бұрын

Horrible on Nietzsche 😂 i remember that book in school was so simple to laugh at

Any thoughts on AXE vs Q and D?

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Nope. Evidence suggests, that nothing beats locomotion and true intervall training to boost endurance.

You are a wise man Gregory!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

I'm just putting in the work, brother! Honored!

Great video and thank you. Very wise to challenge and investigate. I'm always learning and this helped. Even wiser however is that you follow Christ!!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing! 💪

On my podcast "Bible over Brews", we've spent a lot of time with great guests, and have covered a lot of Christian topics, including spending full episodes defending the faith live with atheists on the show 😏 Loving the content, kettlebells changed my training last year when I entered the ring again, to fight in Muay Thai at age 48💪

@robertduluth8994

4 ай бұрын

Finally a true believer! So how do we prove the earth is only 6 thousand years old? Or that zombies ate real?

@krujuice

4 ай бұрын

@@robertduluth8994 the sarcasm is rather childish, I'm assuming you're 12?

I felt that Simple and Sinister was also more of a brochure

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Disagree on that one brother; but thanks for sharing! 💪

Pavel is a businessesman, first and foremost.

I've got 3 books on sale from his site. Some have been as short as 10 pages. They all should just be a blog post or a video. Even on sale at $20 it still wasn't worth it.

I actually liked this video. I don't know if you read comments, but I stopped following you a while back as your "quest for truth" seemed to be little more than just gossip. Here you actually did a great job evaluating claims. Hope to see more like this.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Welcome back to the TMZ of kettlebells, friend.

The idea of the "Soviet Sport Machine" may itself be based on a false view of that system, where it's results and foundations came from. For example, the Soviet strength sport athletes (weightlifting, the throwing events) of the 1950s, 60 and well into the 70s, seem to have completely ignored their trainers methods, adopting and adapting advice from throwers like George Frenn, and the lifters at Culver City and York Barbell (Tommy Kono, etc). Even at the peak of the Soviet era, lifters like Alexeyev, Rigert, Taranenko, and others, were allowed to train however they wanted. Even the Bulgarian system, where Abajiev supposedly ruled with an iron fist, some lifters didn't agree with his methods, so did their own thing (Boevski being the prime example).

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Interesting view point! I've heard different accounts on the Soviet Training method… Do you have any sources to share to research further?

Any thoughts that Pavel’s beliefs are built around his own injuries.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

No. Who said that?

@idx1941

5 ай бұрын

​@@lebe-starkl think Steve Maxwell has that opinion.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

In all fairness, Steve Maxwell seems like a bitter Ex-Kettlebell-Practitioner, who has an axe to grind with Pavel. No pun intended. LOL

@egeertem

5 ай бұрын

Most of the coaches are sportsmen/women at the same time. And all of them get injured. It is a coaches responsibility to help his students to stay away from similar injuries that he/she suffered if any. Or the injuries he/she sees himself/ herself.

Woohoo! Loved your shout out for Christ!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

🙏

Just another way of training, I like the idea of training otm/emom though

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

EMOM is a great way to train!

I still think you should name your bells "Kettlebell Aces"

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Great reading you in the comments, Moses!

Great video title 😂 Most of Pavel's books these days are more like blog posts drawn out to a short book. I don't honestly blame him, it's how he makes a living 🤷 The program is fine, I think. I like alactic training with aerobic recovery. It's great for longevity. I've realized over the years how all out glycolytic training breaks you down if you do it all the time. I'm not sure it has anything to do with it being glycolytic though, probably has more to do with it being very intense and demanding lots of recovery and thus working less well when you're older and have more stresses in your life that interferes with your recovery from exercise.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Your last point makes a lot of sense! Thanks for sharing! 💪

❤

What was that rant at 3 min in? That was way off topic.

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

I don’t think it is but thanks for sharing! 💪

dont forget on Elliot Hulse

He's still at it? I thought his 15 minutes ended 15 years ago.

Whether it's Pavel's latest book - or a video like this, the battle needs to be pulled back and chilled out. Physical activity is needed for all - but the constant attempts to either one up somebody elses workout, or poke holes in each others theories and choices is stopping many people from getting active. "Why don't you go to the gym?" - "Because I'm embarrassed to workout around all the fit people". Most people in the gym are not in great shape - they're just trying to stay active. For every 1 ripped, shredded person in the gym, there are 3-4 who are just like you. Stop believing all the crap you see, hear, ready online and just go and get active. Whether it's taking a walk, riding a bike, lifting weights, swinging a kettlebell or hustling through some version of interval training or HIIT (yes there's a difference) - they're all more beneficial than doing nothing while you research which is the best. If you're a high level athlete with a very specific goal, then one will be more beneficial to you than the other. If you're an every day person like most of us - just get active.

i just finished reading it. i liked the book (much better than S&S), but it seems too good to be real... better endurance by a lot of rests? anyway, i probably will give it a chance.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

True Intervall Training can boost endurance. You still need the volume though.

@yosefco3

5 ай бұрын

@@lebe-stark in the book, they don't even call it "intervals" (check page 55), they call it "repeats". they say the difference is that in "intervals" there isn't enough time for "restoration" and in "repeats" there is enough time for it. What interests me, is this kind of training, with enough time for restoration etc. could help me do "snatches competitions" for example, of 10min without a break? in the book (page 86) they claim a kind of "yes" , but i doubt it. anyway i will give it a chance. btw, i saw in "squat university" a KZread with a similar method about pullups, they claim that to repeat 1-2 pullups with a rest, helps you do a lot of pullups without a break later.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

The "Intervall Vs. Repeat" only adds to the confusion. I'm trying to clear it up at 12:00; go re-watch the section if you haven't already. "True" Interval training according to Woldermar Gerschler (who trained world-class track & field athletes) works like this: 1. 100 or 200 m run with an RPE of 8-9 (or if calculated properly, bringing your heart rate up to 180). 2. After completing, rest until your heart rate drops back to 120. In my case, it takes about 4 minutes. 3. Repeat up to 10 sets. 4. According to German Sports Scientist Toni Nef, your training still needs to build the volume for your competition. This training is brutal and I don't think you can achieve the same results with less intensity. Read Dr. Kenneth Jay's book "The Cardio Code" to answer your question, whether you can use strength exercises to build endurance.

@yosefco3

5 ай бұрын

@@lebe-stark wow 😲, thank you for the great detailed answer! i admit that i haven't seen all the video (it's hard for me to see vids longer than 5-10 min), but i will! thank you again, and thank you for all the knowledge you give to ppl! god bless you!

Bro Hitchens humiliated Craig as did all who have debated him 😂

24:29 Sir, you are very young and very fit. You still have a lot of lead way to laugh at the stop signs. However anybody losing the technique of any lift or exercise due to fatigue opens doors for injury. Among everything Pavel says, probably the most important one is classifying strength as a skill hence you need to approach it as any skill building. Instead of continuing your set with improper form, just stop rest a bit and practice again with correct form. You will end up having more sets, reps, TUT whatever name you want to use with better technique. More chance to adapt and learn with less chance of injury.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

In light of our client base bein 48+ average age, these stop signs are still a joke, friend.

HIIT training is the enemy? Then explain the SFG or RKC Snatch Test, which I don’t have a problem with, but ummm, that’s 4:30-5 minutes of well … sucking wind. You are sucking wind from about rep 30 until the end … 😂 If that is the case, why have that test in the cert? 😂

@fbombtehgr3at

4 ай бұрын

I hope you understand the difference between a regular practice and an occasional challenge.

I'm sorry Pavel, but... You did the greatest work by giving us Quick and Dead. The best protocol in entire universe PERIOD. Now please, preach about Q&D for the rest of your life instead trying better... THERE IS NOTHING BETTER AND WILL NEVER BE, but did you know it Pavel, did you know what you give uus? Literally no one is talking about Q&D and that's your job, to do only Q&D for the rest of your life, no more new books. Or is it mine? Why I do not do Q&D now, knowing that it is THE BEST? What a shame, but I'll be back!

@lebe-stark

4 ай бұрын

Appreciate the feedback! I recommend you sharing your thoughts in the StrongFirst forum.

@teodormajewski3566

4 ай бұрын

@@lebe-stark yeah, that would be good, but it will be best if I just return to Q&D... I have tried it in a good way, and I love it, Pavel is wrong in all his next books if they are not exclusively about Q&D again XD

@papasitoman 0 seconds ago I have been doing it for a couple of weeks now because I am so busy and have been doing many miles of walking. I enjoy it but I also pair it with a leg/back day once a week.

This is a matter of message and interpretation. if you’re talking about “throwing the baby out with the bathwater”, don’t throw out Pavel’s message, even if hyperbolic. Dr. Andy Galpin has been a major influence for me in making sure I work some HIIT at least once a week. But guess what, i’m a lifelong athlete… and i felt so bad when I recommended something close to my protocol to a friend training for a 10k. guess what, they injured themselves in week 3 and couldn’t compete. HIIT is a tool, there’s nothing inherently wrong with any tool! It’s how you use it. You don’t use a power saw on a piece of paper… you use scissors… and if you’re not accustomed to HIIT you probably best not start doing it regularly out of the box. It made me realise more than ever, no matter how many fitness podcasts I subscribe to… I. Am. Not. A. Coach. And most people don’t have a personal trainer. If you go the HIIT route without knowing what you’re doing… well… get ready.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Regarldess of intensity, anything new you try out by yourself without proper instructions requires caution.

@indokenmore

5 ай бұрын

@@lebe-starkright, and then magnify with intensity and it’s even worse.

It it is not so unusual training regime is good and produces effects, at the same time its creator gets theory (science) wrong or just partially right or incomplete.....Look,I do believe HIIT can work for that motivated few that are truly gonna train with required intensity and have other factors in place (rest, stress, food, family issues, age....). For the rest of us, a bit less brutal regimes like this one, are the real thing. Know what Pavel is doing? He knows many young males are competitive and do not want to admit that they really do not want to train that hard ("I am not sissy"). So he is giving sort of pyschological exit so now you can say: I am not doing HIIT because secret Soviet science tells me it sucks; not because its just too brutal and unforgiving.

William Lane Craig, awesome!

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

Sure is!

Pavel never states that glycolysis isn't activated by the protocol. He literally repeats the energy systems in timetables. The idea is to increase the mitochondrial respiration period. Your whole video is a strawman based on marketing methods used within the book not data. Pavel is a minimum effective dose longevity guy. If you understand the mindset you'll get the presentation.

your videos are really great. In my life read books, articles from Pavel,Dan, Geoff, etc. Wathching videos from ...., I tried really a lot of excercises-bodyweight, kettlebell, dumbells, barbell, sports as basketball, volleyball, football, rowing, crossfit, karate, etc. Best of all are dumbell with a lot of caution, kettlebells and sprints, walking. You never make statsment about Max Shank Ultimate Athlethizem, Simmons are great and also about Matthew who wrote book Bigger,,Leaner, Stronger. dont forget on Dan John book Easy Strength. pozz

Less work better results. Say less. Off to Amazon I go for my latest hit of Pavel crack.

A lot of your criticisms falls short, even the evidence you provide to counter Pavels work falls short and even supports his argument you just didnt think it through. having said that I would have to give the workout a try and see how i feel. but it seems like another version of grease the grove.

@lebe-stark

5 ай бұрын

I don't see how the evidence concerning Glycolysis and High Intensity in this video falls short and would be in support of Pavel's arguments. That being said, I still enjoy his "low-itensity" approach because it creates balance.

@Crazylalalalala

4 ай бұрын

OK, here is what I got from your video. As i didnt read the book (dont really intend to) I will be relying on your presentation of it. Wall of text below because you asked. Have fun. Per your description it seems that Pavels thinking here can be simplified to dont get sore and dont push to the extreme while working out because he thinks its bad and he has some sources that may or may not be legit. (also trying to re-listen to this.. the intro.. please stop. the fluff on that intro.. your faith.. jfc just get to the point) the quote you took from the book that ends at 8:53 Pavel pretty much said that really high intensity should be reserved for extreme conditions such world class competition. The next sentence is Rob saying yes that's true. Pavel makes the point to not do it all the time not that it should never be done and Rob seems to agree. (see my comments on Rob at the end) (another side note the segment on Selouyanov... you just attacked the guy not a single thing you said was about the work in that segment. That is called an Ad Hominem by the way. This is not a legit way to make an argument. If you have something to say about his points you should argue those not him. That is just just low) Dr Yuri segment: you were saying how he doesn't support the anti-glycolytic approach and then went on on how he agreeing with Pavel by saying that all reps should look more or less the same. That is AGT training. If you cant repeat reps if you are over doing them or not fully rested. the quote you put on the screen "The best way..." that you think contradicts AGT principles. Doesnt. Difficult conditions does not necessary mean high intensity. This often means range of motion, stress (emotional/environmental thou could also mean load but usually pro lifters are not going for PRs in training very often) and the "or in large volume" large volume is exactly what Pavel is recommending, volume broken up by sufficient rest so you can do the volume well. So this quote has two parts one clearly supports Pavels argument the other maybe sometimes doesnt. So generally more pro than against. The quote with the 125 footnote, you just slapped it on the screen and completely ignored it. but also pretty much supports the ATG approach. I mean it literally says the Yuri doesnt think that Vo2 max matters. Vo2 Max is a measure of oxygen utilization during intense or max effort exercises... Almost perfectly supports the approach without flat out spelling it out. That German couch right after that also stated that you need to be fully recovered... The quote with 71 footnote was not Yuris opinion he was just defining the two methods. Did you even read that? Honestly i dont think you poked any holes in AXEs science. The only thing I see here is that you have an issue with the term anti-glycolytic training and are upset that you cant find it in others peoples work. In a quick google search it seems that they all come up to Yuri Verkoshansky or StrongFirst. So it seems that either Yuri or Pavel coined it. (another side note: that Dr Norton segment also completely unnecessary. Cramming more "information" is not needed when the information doesnt add anything, which it really doesnt you are just adding opinion of others to make it sound like there are more people on your side. In this case it wasnt even relevant. its like 'look i have smart friends listen to me' the guy himself made a pointless argument... its like inception up in here. ) Like I said originally, this is just another version of grease the grove which is pretty much what all his books are about (which is way i dont plan on buying another one of his books, its like reading Ayn Rand all here books are the same point made in different context) Its just a new routine to show the same principles. FYI: these are not crazy, its pretty much how most things are trained in the top levels. If you want to get fast you dont just run back and fourth until you are spent. You hit it hardish and wait until you are fully recovered and repeat. When you cant do that no more you stop. Same thing with lifting, throwing, martial arts... HIIT is something you do for fun if you are an fitness junkie and a quick google search will also show you that it does increase injury. jfc you even put up a highlighted section of his book saying to use no less than 80% effort then recovery... on further inspection, you really dropped the ball on this one. This Rob guy is just ball splitting taking it to the extreme which is meaning less. just for your mental masturbation pleasure that is called "reductio ad absurdum" though i think you put him on the spot there. So im not being critical of Rob. His argument seems to be coming from the actual term of AGT which again seems to be a made up term that is not used regularly. Thus Rob is just simplifying it to the words anti and glycolytic and not actually talking about the AGT method but over simplifying it to the literal word. Which again, is meaningless. I stopped at min 20. " I still enjoy his "low-itensity"" its not really low intensity its moderately high intensity (80%) with high recovery. Thats his entire work... come on man. I too have been trying it out with the snatch. I like it so far. Only been a week or two but I felt good on the mats.

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I don’t believe there was full on attempt to completely disagree. This video is thought provoking. If anything we’ve been presented with questions and tempted to look for answers. I personally liked it. It’s refreshing to find someone in fitness industry that wants to have a dialogue as oppose of “I’m right and shut up.”