This Might Be The Perfect Mini PC

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Timestamps:
0:00 This is all I've ever wanted
0:33 Sponsor - Aranet
1:55 The MS-01 Specs
5:00 The U.2 Situation
6:11 Some benchmarks and power draw
8:01 Video editing and gaming
9:22 Power draw with Linux
9:35 Transcoding with Jellyfin
10:00 Proxmox and 10Gb Performance
11:10 vPRO / AMT
12:39 Some complaints and suggestions
15:33 Pricing and Value Proposition

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  • @AG-qr9sy
    @AG-qr9sy4 ай бұрын

    Just want to say thanks for adding what I assume was voice corrections ("280") rather than popup graphics. For those hard of sight it makes for an easier experience. Thank you good sir. 👍

  • @RoozenB

    @RoozenB

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed! I tend to listen to these video's mostly and don't look at the screen all the time. A subtle sound effenct when a correction graphic is displayed might be a good alternative, without reshooting the whole shot. Thanks for the content!

  • @TheQuickSilver101
    @TheQuickSilver1014 ай бұрын

    I really appreciate your personal, practical take on this and the in depth look. It may be in a different class than some of the systems that you often review but it can also do a lot more. Thank you!

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @Larslegos
    @Larslegos2 ай бұрын

    This is the second video I've watched of yours and I really like how you edit the audio for mistakes instead of just showing it on screen. I like to play BeamNG when I'm watching KZread and I'll miss the on screen corrections on channels like LTT and GN and etc.

  • @jburnash
    @jburnash4 ай бұрын

    Another excellent video. Interesting product, and seemingly pretty well targeted. I always enjoy your videos - in a world of shouty tech vids, your quiet and calm approach is a pleasant change. Keep up the good work!

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @mzimmerman1988
    @mzimmerman19884 ай бұрын

    Taking 2u when in a rack is rough. Adjusting the case to take 1u and possibly some airflow adjustments would be great. Could market it as a bastion/utility server.

  • @seethruhead7119

    @seethruhead7119

    4 ай бұрын

    maybe it could be transplanted into 1u? i was thinking about running 3 of them vertically, next to some other > 1u machine i already have on a shelf

  • @Soupie62

    @Soupie62

    23 күн бұрын

    Unless racks have gone through recent drastic change, you could double (or even TRIPLE) the depth of this case. That might even make it easier to fit a rear mounting bracket, to hold the weight. Plus, if you place it on a sliding tray, the tray takes up another 1U of rack space anyway.

  • @viewer-of-content

    @viewer-of-content

    13 күн бұрын

    double 2 u is more realistic. Mikrotik has a range of 2u half width that can snap together into the same 2u mounting brackets

  • @morsikpl

    @morsikpl

    6 күн бұрын

    I bought 3d printed rack mount - 3U for 4 units. Sure you still loose some space, but less is lost and it's actually hold pretty nice! Found it at Hive Tech Solutions from Australia which they sent me to Poland... took a while and actually cost a lot. I don't think I'll ever buy from them again - they (both "they" as people and "they" as device) were great but it's too expensive. With price being 1/6 of 3D printer, I would rather buy a printer and learn how to use it because it'll be useful later in my life.

  • @Angel-dc1xs
    @Angel-dc1xsАй бұрын

    I like that you included the comparison with the N100 since this gives me a good idea of the performance difference to expect for devices with a similar form factor.

  • @hydroponicgard
    @hydroponicgard4 ай бұрын

    My big problem with this kind of design is that it only supports 1 slot half height PCIe cards. If it was 2 slot, I'd be more than willing to pay that price for one. Bonus being I could turn it into a multi-task server, with max TDP of just an enterprise CPU.

  • @Daxiongmao87

    @Daxiongmao87

    4 ай бұрын

    There are other options for SFF that contain 2-slot configurations. single slot or half-height single slots are so rare now adays especially for those that are looking for an extremely compact system that still allows for PCI-E options.

  • @wojtek-33

    @wojtek-33

    4 ай бұрын

    If it were 2 slots it would be a desktop. Sounds like you want an HP 600 G9 SFF.

  • @hydroponicgard

    @hydroponicgard

    4 ай бұрын

    @@Daxiongmao87 Eh, fair point. I did look into SFF cases in general out of boredom, but 3L/4L w/ GPU are either not restocked or hard to find... It seems. Oh well. I'm not in rush.

  • @hydroponicgard

    @hydroponicgard

    4 ай бұрын

    ​@@wojtek-33Cheers on directing me towards that one, I'll keep it in mind

  • @wojtek-33

    @wojtek-33

    4 ай бұрын

    @@hydroponicgard it's a bit pricey but it's HP enterprise so it will be supported for a long time. If you don't need that CPU, the older 600 and 800 SFF have 2 slots as well and much cheaper.

  • @r_firefly4292
    @r_firefly42924 ай бұрын

    Important note for anyone who considering putting a U.2 drive in this system: The height of the U.2 drive must not exceed 7mm, which excludes some of the most popular U.2 drives on the market, such as Kioxia CD6, WD SN640, or Samsung PM1733/1735, which are all 15mm drives. I saw this machine but still got myself a Think Station P3 tiny. I chose an ES motherboard so that I got 3 M.2 slots. I paired the P3 tint with the i5-12400 and it was 1/3 cheaper than the MS-01 with the 12900H option. There seemed to be an i5-12450h option with the MS-01, but it is not available and we don't know when they will start selling this option. I don't really like the i9 CPU that MS-01 provides right now because I don't want to stretch the cooling system too far. I did see the appeal of the dual 10G NIC but for someone who doesn't really need it, it is a piece of hardware that consumes power and does nothing. On the other hand, I can add USB type A, DP, HDMI, or TypeC with video and charging to the Tiny via expansion modules, which makes it very flexible. However, doing this does sacrifice the PCIE cutout. It is also more difficult to install PCIE cards sideways compared to Tiny's riser approach. At least it doesn't require a special PCIE bracket though. All in all, I think both MS-01 and P3 Tiny are both nice SFF machines. It really comes down to whether you prefer the dual 10G SFP port and the USB4 port, (Yes, it is USB4 rather than Thunderbolt, although they are functionally the same.) or more flexibility. I will also provide a quick technical comparison here for anyone interested: P3 Tiny |VS| MS-01 form factor: Standard size |VS| A bit larger than Standard size. (Matters if you want to put it in a server rack.) CPU: Any CPU from Intel 12,13 and 14GEN |VS| 13900H,12900H, or 12450H. (12450H not available yet.) iGPU: MS-01 is always better as mobile chips always get better iGPU compared to their desktop counterpart. NIC: i219-LM 1Gx1 |VS| i226v 2.5G + i226LM 2.5G +x710 10Gx2. (Both machines can support vPRO.) PCIE: Gen4/5 x8 |VS| Gen4/5 x8. (Gen5 is available on 13th Gen CPUs.) PCIE specific: Need custom PCIE bracket |VS| Difficult to install and uninstall. USB Expansion: 4x10G type A + 2x5G type A + 1x10G type C |VS| 3x10G type A + 2x 480 M(2.0) type A + 2x40G USB4. (Tiny can expend 4x 5G type A or 1x10G type C with Video and charging expansion module, by giving up the PCIE cutout.) Video Expansion: DP1.4 + HDMI 2.0 |VS| HDMI 2.0 + 2xUSB4. (Tiny can expend 2xDP, 2xHDMI, or 2xTypeC DPalt via the expansion module, by giving up the PCIE cutout.) Storage Expansion: 2xM.2 |VS| 2xM.2 + 1x M.2/U.2. (Tiny get 3xM.2 on the ES motherboard)

  • @weakbruteforce
    @weakbruteforce4 ай бұрын

    He said "I don't mind burning bridges with companies that send me bad products!" 😂 +1

  • @Diesel_69
    @Diesel_694 ай бұрын

    Great professional review, I gained alot of info. Thank you!

  • @SiRTazman1834
    @SiRTazman18349 күн бұрын

    This is a great idea for a home lab server, small and has the connections you would want. I wanted a few more cores, so I went with the MinisForum BD790i and a Mellanox 10G SFP+ card and two NVMe's for storage. I like this mini itx board and using it's 16core/32thread CPU for Virtual Machine host. Good video as well! Thanks!

  • 2 ай бұрын

    Your custom sound tracks are my one of favorite parts of your videos. Hoping we can get a mixtape on Spotify to add to my playlist.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    2 ай бұрын

    Maybe one day!

  • @HaydonRyan
    @HaydonRyan4 ай бұрын

    Great point on the height. Would love to see a rackmount version of this

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Fortunately it wouldn’t be too hard to just mount them to a rack shelf. I imagine making a front plate would be fairly doable as well if you need it enclosed for airflow

  • @edfx

    @edfx

    3 ай бұрын

    Can you even rack mount top vented cases? Lenovos seem better for this, can tightly pack those in rack as it only draws air from the front and exhaust from the back

  • @rat_world
    @rat_world4 ай бұрын

    I love my Aranet! Unexpected but nice to see that they’ve sponsored you, first time I’ve seen them do a sponsorship

  • @broodjenoodles

    @broodjenoodles

    22 күн бұрын

    Theyre very expensive though...

  • @MarkConstable
    @MarkConstable4 ай бұрын

    I would love to see someone get iGPU passthrough to work to a Proxmox VM (Linux guest) so the PCIe slot could be used for extra M.2 storage.

  • @recoveryguru
    @recoveryguru4 ай бұрын

    I'm interested in Aranet's cloudless design. According to some info I googled, they support SNMP in their Pro series. I would love to see how to set it up for self hosted environment monitoring. Linking it to Grafana or something would be awesome.

  • @Space_Reptile
    @Space_Reptile4 ай бұрын

    Reminds me of the Thinkstation Tiny's from Lenovo, those also have a PCIe slot in a 1L package

  • @accesser
    @accesser4 ай бұрын

    Really hope they do a few more models similar to this, perhaps with i7 or lower power CPU

  • @AccidentalMisfire09

    @AccidentalMisfire09

    4 ай бұрын

    There's currently an option with the Intel i5-12450H for $419 with the early bird special, so it seems like they're open to testing different hardware in this model.

  • @fwiler
    @fwiler4 ай бұрын

    Were you able to test with powertop by chance? As I understand it, most Miniforum computers don't have the bios settings necessary to reach low power states. Perhaps that's why it idled at 14w.

  • @amessman
    @amessman4 ай бұрын

    I wouldn't mind 4 of these, in a cluster for ESXi or Proxmox. Dual 10G means having a separate NAS, ah it would be the perfect setup.

  • @et_phonehome_2822
    @et_phonehome_28223 ай бұрын

    Thanks for giving your personal thoughts on the MS-01. I wonder if Minisforum will come out with some enhancements soon. I’m in need of a new PC.

  • @camerontgore
    @camerontgore4 ай бұрын

    I actually bought this air quality sensor a few months ago and immediately integrated it into home assistant. It's great for letting me know when the CO2 levels are getting to high.

  • @nickgames1892

    @nickgames1892

    4 ай бұрын

    wich air sensor?

  • @windowsfan95

    @windowsfan95

    4 ай бұрын

    @@nickgames1892the one he talked about in the beginning of the video

  • @camerontgore

    @camerontgore

    4 ай бұрын

    @@nickgames1892 Tell me you didn't watch the ad spot with saying you didn't watch the ad spot.

  • @nickgames1892

    @nickgames1892

    4 ай бұрын

    @@camerontgore yeah you right.

  • @UKCG_2
    @UKCG_23 ай бұрын

    Well, I ordered one of Miniforum’s barebone MS-01 systems (based on the i9-12900H) on January 13, 2024. Given the website’s very clear warning, I thought it wouldn’t ship until March 29th. To my very pleasant surprise, however, it arrived today (January 24, 2024)! Now I have to scramble to pick up some memory and NVMEs!

  • @nadtz
    @nadtz4 ай бұрын

    While this particular device doesn't tick all the boxes for me it's pretty cool that minisforum is listening to all the people who have been asking for a device like this. I agree that making it that size is kind of a miss, but it's honestly not a bad first effort to iterate from for an 02 in the future.

  • @destronger5313
    @destronger53134 ай бұрын

    wish they’d make a PCB that could be in a typical PC case and a rack mount enviroment so it could be used as a NAS.

  • @scooterjes
    @scooterjes4 ай бұрын

    Not practical for actual use but if you want to really stress/test Plex transcoding get a 4k HDR file and transcode it down to 240p or lower it will look like garbage but will stress the heck out of your GPU/APU.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    I’m planning to move to a more standardized benchmark process when I can make the time to. In which case I want to test more practical and “synthetic” transcodes. Thanks for the input!

  • @morsikpl
    @morsikpl6 күн бұрын

    Finanly got 3 of them today! I ordered lowest tier with i5-12600H and I tried to fill it with 96GB which as docs says should only works with highest i9-13600H. 96GB Worked flawlessly on that lowest tier! Also, SFP+ ports are based on Intel X710 and has SR-IOV which allows to create up to 64 virtual network interfaces - great for virtualization - I think noone mentioned that ever! Apparently SR-IOV for Xe Graphics should also work but I haven't got it working. It looks like Alma Linux has older kernel which doesn't have drivers latest enough, so I'll be trying later with other distros or maybe just kernel recompiling. With all of that found, the deal is getting better and better each minute... 16-threads of pretty great processing power, 2x SFP+, 2x RJ45 2.5G, 500GB SSD and 96FB RAM for 4000zł (about 1000 USD / 930 EUR) is GREAT DEAL! I found X710 PCIe network cards for 1/4 of that! Unbelievable great deal! I'm supper happy and I got 3 of them :D This wll be great Kubernetes cluster (or maybe even OpenStack?)!

  • @RC-1290
    @RC-12903 ай бұрын

    0:40 I DO! Great little sensor.

  • @skaltura
    @skaltura4 ай бұрын

    model with a bunch of M.2 on x2, 1x SFP+, 1x RJ45 NIC, no PCI-E slot, slimmed down, maximizing the number of NVMe drives would be super cool as well.

  • @lurkerrekrul
    @lurkerrekrul4 ай бұрын

    The thing I hate about small form factor systems is the severe lack of expandability. I have one of those Lenovo systems that I had hoped to transfer to a bigger case and add a better power supply so that I could put in a decent graphics card. Of course they used a proprietary front panel connector that sits right behind the PCI-x16 slot, so if the card is too long, it will block that connector.

  • @onestandhand
    @onestandhand15 күн бұрын

    Best add i saw in 2 decades that Aranet is mind blowing i did not knew something like this exist

  • @maximustitan8171
    @maximustitan81714 ай бұрын

    I'll wait for this to release on amazon and will use Affirm of course ;)

  • @BenReese
    @BenReese4 ай бұрын

    First, great video and great analysis! I agree with your conclusions. This is a bit expensive at almost $1k, but you're getting a lot of bang for your buck! Having 3x M.2 slots and a PCIe slot to add more, it would make a good home server with a small virtualized high-speed NAS. Second, I didn't realize you had a video production background. BlackMagic should definitely make a half-height DeckLink card! It would make these mini PCs a fantastic option for churches or other small video production teams.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks! And it’s primarily on the audio side, but I worked some with broadcast video. My previous job was overseeing church production, so that’s exactly what my brain went to haha

  • @BenReese

    @BenReese

    4 ай бұрын

    @@HardwareHaven oh, that's awesome!! Our church is a bit the smaller and more traditional, but I'm responsible for almost all IT-related parts. Sound, presentation, cameras, stream, Internet/network, security cameras..... Probably half of my "home lab" thoughts are about what I could use it for at church 😁

  • @jamesmcmahonii8433

    @jamesmcmahonii8433

    4 ай бұрын

    This is basically a server. For me, it's a Supermicro E300 comparison at half the cost. You can get 96 GB of DDR5 SODIMM for $250+ and a 2 TB WD Black M.2 for $130. If you buy the barebone i912, you can build a more powerful server for $1200, fully loaded, over a bare Supermicro E300 at $1700. The downside here is you get 6 real cores and 8 hybrid vs 8Cx16T. I'd pay the extra $200 for a Xeon in this thing. The network and M.2 make it worth it.

  • @f.d.castel2821
    @f.d.castel28214 ай бұрын

    Every. Fcking. Day. 140 new videos like this are uploaded to KZread. Each one Telling how THIS mini pc is the best perfect marvelous wonderful server.

  • @0xKruzr

    @0xKruzr

    2 ай бұрын

    the market moves incredibly fast, but *this* one literally is a fantastic lab machine. it's like Minisforum actually listened to people, bizarre as that sounds.

  • @betag24cn

    @betag24cn

    20 күн бұрын

    and have you bougth the fking 140 mini pcs to put them as servers? that would be a great topic for a channel, this dammmm server, ir this fking mini server i would subscribe expecting to see those reviews

  • @piloht4923
    @piloht49235 күн бұрын

    I'm surprised this doesn't have rack mount capabilities, I could see 2 on a 1U shelf or 1 with a special rackmount adapter being pretty useful

  • @MirelRC
    @MirelRC4 ай бұрын

    Nice video. Now what I am gonna say is not related to the subject of the video. You could rotate the DELL monitor so the logo is on the left side. It will look much better in your setup.

  • @plexnbrown760
    @plexnbrown7604 ай бұрын

    External sas card and your golden for jelly fin. This is a neat mini

  • @sourcilavise3788
    @sourcilavise37884 ай бұрын

    It could be interesting to check if there's any arc A310 that could fit in hit so you could do AV1 encoding in a very small home server.

  • @DigitalJedi

    @DigitalJedi

    4 ай бұрын

    Sparkle has an A310 Eco that should fit. Encode on those cards is a beast but don't count on them for lots of render power.

  • @OskarHersch

    @OskarHersch

    4 ай бұрын

    You ALREADY PAYED royalties for CODECS inside of a CPU. So why not use them ? AV1 is only pushed because silicon valley does not want to pay royalties to europe for HEVC....

  • @DigitalJedi

    @DigitalJedi

    4 ай бұрын

    @@OskarHersch Or maybe they just want to use that codec. I've noticed that it provides the best image quality for my recordings compared to hevc and has quite good performance.

  • @Scarsuna

    @Scarsuna

    4 ай бұрын

    @@OskarHersch I don't want to pay royalties to Europe, either!

  • @OskarHersch

    @OskarHersch

    4 ай бұрын

    @@DigitalJedi Netflix is not doing what youre doing.

  • @EternalSaber
    @EternalSaber2 ай бұрын

    Did you try and test one of the USB4 ports for an external graphics card?

  • @RaidOwl
    @RaidOwl4 ай бұрын

    I know what to get your for Christmas now 😁

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Another Netgear NAS???

  • @Ballebek01
    @Ballebek01Ай бұрын

    I am missing the PCIe4 M2 slots (so can use the U2 AND 2x M2 with PCIe4 x4), for the rest it is a perfect box (and yes, I want 4 of them). And you can get about 6 of them in a 2U rackspace; I don't need to see the frontplate so you can use a sliding shelve.

  • @treehugger1640
    @treehugger16404 ай бұрын

    I've cut my case so my double slot GPU heat sink and fans stick out. Looks like a super charged V8. But the motherboard wasn't gaming capable and burnt up. Now I have a msi trident x plus.. now that is a sff power house! All OEM and silent air cooling design

  • @YASUYO369
    @YASUYO36914 күн бұрын

    I just got this the cooling leaves something to be desired but being to able to use a server ssd card and 3x m.2 is great

  • @JMassengill
    @JMassengill4 ай бұрын

    that is an interesting Mini PC as usual, your videos are well produced and its a great video. If you need someone to do independent testing on that device, i would be happy to help.. lol

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks Johnny! And you'll have to ask REALLY nicely. lol

  • @Shinare73
    @Shinare734 ай бұрын

    Since the internals slide out easily maybe you could just 3D print a taller shell for a double height card.

  • @OskarHersch

    @OskarHersch

    4 ай бұрын

    Exactly, or you can just use 90 d angle riser card or just ribbon type extender...

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Or they could just build a taller case.. lol I DO want to get into 3D printing for exactly this type of thing though. A far as using a riser goes, at that point you clearly don't need the form factor so just build something you want.

  • @oscarfiala2104
    @oscarfiala21044 ай бұрын

    Perfect add, thank you I’ll probably buy one. I’ve been getting sick recently. For real maybe it’s the air.

  • @funbucket09

    @funbucket09

    2 ай бұрын

    True. New mini computer should 100% stop you getting sick for sure. Hope you bought it (for the sake of your health) and that you are feeling much better after a month. All the best :).

  • @xybersurfer

    @xybersurfer

    25 күн бұрын

    @@funbucket09 lmao!

  • @k01db100d
    @k01db100dАй бұрын

    Nice thing for diy-router. With DPDK it could route 10GE at wire speed with NAT, I think.

  • @cliftonchurch6039
    @cliftonchurch60394 ай бұрын

    I almost wish the U.2 carrier board forced the switch to be in one position just by design. Then have a spring loaded switch so that it defaults to M.2 voltage unless the carriage is in place.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    I think that’s roughly what they did in the final design

  • @VenefictusMage
    @VenefictusMage4 ай бұрын

    With the diversity in the network connectivity embedded and unless you really need the PCIE for graphics, I'd use the PCIS to add 2 additional NVMe drives.

  • @JamesTenniswood
    @JamesTenniswood4 ай бұрын

    Nice machine. I would like to see a cheaper version that drops the sfp, and adds a forth m.2. Im using ssds for everything moving forward

  • @tompointdll
    @tompointdll4 ай бұрын

    I would have loved to have a machine like this with an I3, or even a pentium, to serve as a router, with the 2 10Gig SFP and 2.5G Base-T network ports Sadly, they only are I9 versions

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah I also wish there were some lower end versions. Maybe down the road... For what you're looking for, maybe something like this? kzread.info/dash/bejne/c3-JttyjcZTNoqg.htmlsi=UrrHqaY8mUNKj4Y6

  • @rob90230
    @rob902303 ай бұрын

    Does the front minis forum ms-01 audio jack require a trs or trrs connector?

  • @EnterpriseKnight
    @EnterpriseKnight4 ай бұрын

    If you have a graphics card lying around and a PCI-E Riser, how about you test a high end graphics card with it? could be interesting to see that 8x pci slot performance.

  • @scarecrow5848
    @scarecrow5848Ай бұрын

    I want something just like this but as a computer for just handling streaming/recording. would be awesome.

  • @Bareego
    @Bareego7 күн бұрын

    Yeah still prefer my N100 machine with 16GB ram and 512GB SSD that cost me $143. now that's bang/buck. Personally I don't see the point of high performance small computers, if you want performance you'll get more performance with a regular sized machine for the same money. Small performance systems will always be limited by the cooling solution. It's different at the lower end. The form factor really suits the N100, it's just SO good. I'm happy I bought one. The SFP ports are pretty rad though, quite unexpected in such a machine. with all those cores and using a M.2 to SATA adapter it would make for a sweet file server and/or proxmox box. BUT, if I wanted to build something like this I'd just buy some 2nd hand rack server dirt cheap, as you mentioned it's too big/heavy for VESA mounting. It just looks like a really odd hodge podge mix of features, more like a machine you'd use for industrial use.

  • @samgraham6355
    @samgraham6355Ай бұрын

    Low that you post current draw, amazing. Looking at that for amateur radio use cases.

  • @Xeros08
    @Xeros083 ай бұрын

    I want to see this PC with a full graphics card. You could slot in the Gen4 x8 slot a PCIe to OCuLink adaptor card, and a OCuLink external GPU (they sell the boards for OCuLink, tho you also need another power suply :/

  • @arudanel5542
    @arudanel55424 ай бұрын

    I wonder if Gigabyte's half height 4060 would work in this system. The slot on that is only a x8 anyhow, so it should do fine. it IS a 2 slot card though, so closing the case is out of the question, you'd have to make a custom box or something for it. That, or maybe using a dremel to make an opening for the cooler t5o pop out of the side of it. But a tiny box for light gaming would be interesting, and with 3 NVME slots.. Fast one for the games, middle for the OS, and slow for data and videos, would be interesting to try for sure.

  • @BrunodeSouzaLino

    @BrunodeSouzaLino

    4 ай бұрын

    The PCIe standard is latency and delay tolerant, so nothing prevents you from plugging cards from any speed into any slot. Granted they'll run slower with less lanes available.

  • @ninthjake
    @ninthjake4 ай бұрын

    I really want one. I'll probably wait a few years though until the price has come down a few hundred bucks and then use it as an awesome little server PC.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah these will be awesome a few years down the road

  • @GundamExia88
    @GundamExia884 ай бұрын

    You should try running Thunderbolt or USB4 to PCIe and run the same GPU with Davinci... that should be interesting to compare the performance. Or using a Magma/Onestop systems PCIe to external chassis to test the same GPU with DaVinci.

  • @funbucket09
    @funbucket092 ай бұрын

    What does Bono and hus band of merry men (U.2) have to do with computa at all??

  • @4ytonly
    @4ytonly4 ай бұрын

    All these mini pc's are great but what if you want to build a NAS with them and you have multiple HDD's. Is there some kind of enclosure for them just for these cases?

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    There are options, but you're better off just building a NAS

  • @4ytonly

    @4ytonly

    4 ай бұрын

    @@HardwareHavenI have an old pc with a SSD and 3x HDD that I turned into media server, but it is too big. I was planing on getting a small PC but it cannot hold my HDD's. Thats why i was asking if there were some sort of enclosure just for HDD's.

  • @hitechfl
    @hitechfl18 күн бұрын

    I need several of these.. I'll figure out why later. 😂

  • @wallyrogers2371
    @wallyrogers23714 ай бұрын

    So maybe wait for the MS-02? I would love to see someone put it through it's paces as an AIO Proxmox server. virtualized pfsense/opnsense firewall, virtualized TruNAS with a passthrough 4 slot pcie nvme card. graphics passthrough for a Plex server. Maxed out with 96gb RAM. I want to be able to sell around 3 hardware devices in my house and replace it with this one...then, it would be worth it. If it can't be done, please let us know!

  • @jimholloway1785
    @jimholloway1785Ай бұрын

    If you still have this MS-01, what are you doing with it? Running some VM's? or something else. I really want one of these but I really don't need one of these but I can get rid of a full size desktop computer is 6 years old and I am sure not power efficient.

  • @GabrieleTroscia
    @GabrieleTroscia4 ай бұрын

    I have bought an U.2 to NVME adapter by mistake, if the shipping costs weren't high I would send it to you :) Any advice how to use it, or i do i have to resell it?

  • @Teksers
    @Teksers3 ай бұрын

    Man if they made a little bigger to fit the A2000 or A4000(Ada version) sff versions and made the PCIE slot to be x16 instead of x8 that would've been awesome. It would've been a little worstation beast.

  • @radioideaxp

    @radioideaxp

    13 күн бұрын

    It support A2000, but you need to change cooler for 1 slot. There are conversion kits for $80

  • @ppBizU
    @ppBizU4 ай бұрын

    I've seen it in LTT. Immediately, I've started to wonder if it's possible to slap more SATA through PCI-E card and make NAS server from it. What's your take on this?

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    I more so had the thought to use an external HBA to connect it to a JBOD. Or you could use something like the QNAP SAS JBODs. Patrick at STH did that with an 8 bay unit. Pretty sick for an AIO home-server/NAS. Personally, I’m a fan of running NAS independently from other services. You can use a much lower powered system and not risk data loss when tinkering with stuff.

  • @nadtz

    @nadtz

    4 ай бұрын

    Normally I'm all for out of the box uses but this is one of those times I'd have to ask why? For the price of this unit you could build a machine that could do the job adequately, by the time you add in the cost of an enclosure for disks why not just go with something better fit for purpose from the start?

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I don’t think this makes sense for a NAS. But it’s a possibility

  • @0xKruzr

    @0xKruzr

    2 ай бұрын

    I'll be able to let you know, as I'm setting up Proxmox on it with Ceph and a bunch of NVMe for OSDs.@@HardwareHaven

  • @ottermanuk
    @ottermanuk3 ай бұрын

    Honestly if they made this full width and a proper 1U short depth, it'd fly off the shelves (pardon the pun). If they made that deeper and 4LFF drives it would be the perfect homelab. 2xSPF+, Quicksync, 4LFF + 3 M.2 would be crazy in 1U

  • @claytonyoung1351
    @claytonyoung13514 ай бұрын

    Could you just run a full-size graphics card on an adapter that connects to one of the m.2 slots?

  • @nothingtoseehere93
    @nothingtoseehere933 ай бұрын

    You can build your own 2u rack mount case with similar specs for basically the same price without being tied to proprietary case, fan, etc.

  • @0xKruzr
    @0xKruzr2 ай бұрын

    just a heads up for those interested: there's now an i5 version available barebones for $419(!). I have three on order.

  • @bilange
    @bilange4 ай бұрын

    Love the inclusion of a Rocket League benchmark. That is my go-to game (yes, i'm a simple man :P) As for Meshcommander/Meshcentral, one thing to note is that the main developer of this project has been laidoff in late 2022 at Intel, and maintaining Meshcentral WAS his main duty at Intel. Now he was hired at Microsoft shortly after, but Meshcentral is in maintenance mode (there has been a few bugfixes over the last year) but is still in control by that same developer.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Hmmm... is there any word on when/if there will be a download available again?

  • @bilange

    @bilange

    4 ай бұрын

    @@HardwareHaven I couldn't say about MeshCOMMANDER specifically, as I don't use this part. However, for MeshCENTRAL, there are two "competing" meshcentral docker images made by the community, that are still maintained, with a corresponding github project page each (under the name "meshcentral-docker" for both). One is made by Github user gurucomputing (that produces automatically a new docker image when the upstream releases a new build), another by Github user Typhonragewind (which, it looks like, is a wrapper around the the original NPM project from meshcentral). Hope it helps!

  • @bilange

    @bilange

    4 ай бұрын

    I just thought, however, that specifying that Intel axed the main Meshcentral developer should give you an unofficial reason why things has been more slow for the last year or so. :|

  • @ericneo2
    @ericneo24 ай бұрын

    How are people getting these through customs without an importer?

  • @EnterpriseKnight
    @EnterpriseKnight4 ай бұрын

    4:56 bridge status: BURNED

  • @UKCG_2
    @UKCG_24 ай бұрын

    I ordered a barebone unit (i9-12900h) last week. My goal, once I outfit it with 64GB of memory and two 2TB NVME drives (Raid 1) and hook it to my Trendnet 10 port switch (which includes two SPF+ ports & eight 2.5Gb ports), is to use it to teach me about Windows server management.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    Good luck with it!

  • @UKCG_2

    @UKCG_2

    4 ай бұрын

    @@HardwareHaven Thanks. I’m hoping to pair it with an Asustor Flashstor 12 Pro (since it also comes equipped with a SPF+ port) and a new roll of CAT6 cable.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    That sounds like a pretty sick setup!

  • @UKCG_2

    @UKCG_2

    4 ай бұрын

    @@HardwareHaven Thanks! I was pleasantly surprised I was able to establish 2.5Gbps connection speeds using my existing CAT5E cabling and an inexpensive TP-Link NIC, although I still plan on upgrading to CAT6.

  • @WarHeadinc1
    @WarHeadinc14 ай бұрын

    I wonder if this would work for streaming

  • @rjframe4410
    @rjframe44103 ай бұрын

    Question, how would this do with an external graphics card?

  • @FranzCritchlow
    @FranzCritchlow4 ай бұрын

    I reconized that 4 port NIC. its the NIC! I returned mine.

  • @gustersongusterson4120
    @gustersongusterson41204 ай бұрын

    It doesn't ship until March 15th if you take their word for it. I'm trying very hard to find a compact chassis or mini pc that can fit a single slot full height pcie card. This could work for that with a riser cable and some improvised mounting, but I'd rather have a high core count ryzen with a better igpu and I don't need all the networking. That coupled with the March ship date and that this isn't the final revision of the product makes this a pass for, especially at a higher price.

  • @plexnbrown760
    @plexnbrown7604 ай бұрын

    Wolfgang has good video on c states and older cards a lot of the cheap options on eBay lack c state support

  • @weedgacoo8070
    @weedgacoo80702 ай бұрын

    helloo canu help me i got hp 260 g1 dm business mini pc i look videoson youtube and pc yust turn off it is been soo hot i yust turn off from elektric because every time i get power to pc its hot on dc power jack port and pc didnt turn on

  • @luiisi8
    @luiisi84 ай бұрын

    Can you please make a video on how to make a NAS with Casa OS if it is possible

  • @InsaiyanTech
    @InsaiyanTechАй бұрын

    can you make a video on how to lower tdp like c states and stuff basically every route you can go to lower tdp bios anything

  • @FTLN
    @FTLN4 ай бұрын

    Can you do share how IOMMU is setup please :) Loved the video

  • @eric-seastrand
    @eric-seastrand4 ай бұрын

    The DaVinci resolve disparity is likely because the free version does not support hardware codec. So, the quicksync capability was not being used in that test (but nvenc was). Would love to see a transcode speed battle between the two. Also, your color grading is CUDA accelerated (no Intel equivalent). So nvidia wins here no doubt.

  • @MrSparkefrostie
    @MrSparkefrostie4 ай бұрын

    That basshunter thumbnail...

  • @GizmoTheGreen
    @GizmoTheGreen4 ай бұрын

    I guess you could use an angled adapter/riser to put a better GPU in

  • @DigitalJedi

    @DigitalJedi

    4 ай бұрын

    I was thinking of making a larger shroud with a 3d printer to fit the 4060LP.

  • @fredreed2001
    @fredreed20013 ай бұрын

    I’m looking at buying this for my mini pC would It work Protable 2.5inch Mobile Hard Drive Disk 6TB Mobile Storage Drive? Please let me know ASAP.

  • @cszulu2000
    @cszulu20002 ай бұрын

    Can you fit a 3.5 inch hdd?

  • @imark7777777
    @imark77777773 ай бұрын

    Oh shucks just put a down payment on a framework as I needed an OBS system as my 2019 MacBook Pro isn't cutting it anymore. I'm running for cameras over NDI so no capture card needed just good networking and I tried to use my Lenovo I7 but that didn't have encoding power. Unfortunately moving the windows because MAC has a stupid full screen mode that blank so all of your monitors works great for full screening multiview to an external touchscreen and blinking out everything else. I love the mini PC form factor, I've been using the Lenovo with a touchscreen almost like an audio Consol, well also using it as a playback system with OBS. So having some thing in a similar form factor that's more powerful would be neat. Although maybe the next generation when Price comes down.

  • @kevinhu196
    @kevinhu1964 ай бұрын

    While n100 is definitely weak while the the i9 in that Mini PC is probably way overkill for home server. I feel like the sweet spot would be i3-N305, best balance between power and performance. Now if only the Aliexpress sellers could change the JMB585 in their i3 N305 mobo with AsMedia card so it can reach better C state, I would buy that board. This mini PC would definitely be a great candidate for All In One, a very popular method mostly in Asian countries where people use a single PC and run Proxmox and PC serve as NAS, soft router, media server and sometimes even HTPC combined.

  • @HardwareHaven

    @HardwareHaven

    4 ай бұрын

    You realize the N305 only has 9 lanes of PCIe Gen 3 right? It wouldn't be able to have the 3 NVMe slots, not to mention the multitude of NICs, TB, etc.. I do wish they had this in a lower spec and hope they do down the road. If not that's a bummer.

  • @kevinhu196

    @kevinhu196

    4 ай бұрын

    @@HardwareHaven oops I did not take PCIe lanes into consideration, there are definitely gaps to be filled between low power N100 and this mini PC

  • @nbrown5907
    @nbrown59072 ай бұрын

    Hey that Arenet device is 20$ cheaper on Amazon.

  • @james2749
    @james27494 ай бұрын

    I'm assuming it doesn't support ecc ram right?

  • @elijahmalik9365
    @elijahmalik9365Ай бұрын

    His settings are for installing network cards or hard disk expansion cards rather than high-power GPUs.

  • @nbrown5907
    @nbrown59072 ай бұрын

    I wish the ARM processors were as powerful. I have a 1200 Watt power supply and do not want to go bigger!

  • @mangotree5027
    @mangotree50274 ай бұрын

    idea: put it in a suitcase with a monitor, keyboard and some kind of mouse

  • @Aliaseios
    @Aliaseios4 ай бұрын

    Can you do a very budget server Like in many places in the world we can't find affordable used pc parts or they over priced I'm currently using an old android phone as , dns server using adgurd And torent client + and download manger using wget and tmux , and ftp server You should spot the light on these kinda things and maybe find further uses for such old cheep hardware

  • @jamesmcmahonii8433
    @jamesmcmahonii84334 ай бұрын

    Note: The MS-01 does not come with memory and HD. You do have to choose the option to include it at an additional cost.

  • @agentcrm
    @agentcrm3 ай бұрын

    Minisforum do some really interesting and unusual products.

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