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Why usb? This is just stupid with 4 nvme slots, even the 4 hdds will fully saturate the 10gbit
using this sleeping mask, you can't precisely find the boob to grab.....that's so sad..
Looks like the perfect way to get much more disk space to my growing Jellyfin Library. I started wit 1TB now i am at 2,8TB within 4 Months (all legal btw). I have about 4 TB left, but i think its just a matter of time i need more space :D Greetings from germany
I used a raspberry pi, mounted the external drive via fstab and now when I unplug the drive to do anything, pi goes into emergency mode and I literally can't get into the console. What's the best way to mount a drive? Just let casaOS automount each time and forget the fstab?
USB storage (any kind, high end or low end) do eventually loose connection and reset themselves, so they are not suitable for VM storage. It disconnects and re-enumerates, which leaves VMs hanging. Run them long enough and they will all disappoint.
No SSD cooling... :|
This is an interesting product. I'm not sure where it would fit in my life, though. I'd have to find a place for it first. Interesting as always, thanks!
I have been having a similar issue with my zfs pool/samba crashing multiple time throughout the transfer alll the time. Dmesg sadly doesn't show any errors when it happens. I have looked all over, but I haven't been able to find what is causing the issue. It was nice to see that I'm not the only one who has these kinds of dropouts.
the real issue i have with these nas designs is the cost - why not just use an older pc for more ram, better cpu etc - at serious savings so diy you get the best of both worlds - value and performance. please do an occulink diy nas project and put in fast networking? maybe make it a das
usb? no thanks
USB on a server can work, I've done it myself.. but for the $300 you'd spend on this, you can have all the hardware minus drives for the NAS you built on a Supermicro X10SLL server board and no USB compromises. Mine with a Quadro P400, 3 of those WD Red 4 TB drives, 3 SSDs and a 2.5 Gb Nic in it draws under 30 watts at idle, and I still have room for an HBA if I need more storage. Mini-PCs have plenty of utility in a home lab, but I wouldn't use one as a NAS if your drive requirements forced you to use USB storage.
If this was made with thunderbolt, it would probably make a lot more homelab sense.
I agree even a $300-350 5-6 Bay HDD plus 2 M.2 Slot would be much better option for homelab as it could allow you to scale up quickly. Not super familiar with options to connect to DAS but would love something a little bit more reliable than a USB C.
NVME is not hotplugable because of pcie so that could be the reason for the errors.
$300 too much for that. We should start seeing more offerings like this from other vendors as the chipsets are main stream now. USB by DESIGN is RELIABLE! The problem is the specific chipsets and old firmware on them (both host and device).
I've had so many problem running a raid with a usb enclosure , had so many problem how it would pass the drives , with the same serial no and model , plus tons of error before it would drop a disk .
What sucks is really, once you get past 2 or 3 drives, you may as well go to a "regular" PC build. Intel makes some very low power current/last gen chips, you can get as many SATA ports as you want, both from the motherboard itself and PCIE boards. It gives you much easier expansion and upgrade paths.
These nas solutions always seem short sighted to me when you can get a Rosewill RSV-L4412U that has 3 times the hot swap sata storage, pair that with a sas card/expander, and you aren't limited to the performance of whatever chipset terramaster puts in them. Yes you end up paying more but being able to swap out hardware as things need updating means you won't need to retire the entire device nearly as quickly.
It sounds good, but I personally would have preferred an NVME DAS
This would be actually pretty cool to have for me, i have been runing an Odroid C4 with 4 USB HDD's connected without all to many issues now for years. Using Openmediavault. This though would solve the risk and issue i found myself in last week, where i had a bunch of power outages and a drive decided to nope out on me.
what lens do you use?
Really wish these enclosures had SAS/SATA connectors to bypass the USB entirely for the HD bays-it would still mean bridge chips for the NVMe to SATA, which would probably increase the cost, but I don't really want to connect via USB if I can help it.
Takes me back to when I made a server as a kid, we all bought mc for like £9 and played for weeks over the summer together with mods on
Replace the USB connection with Oculink and then I might be interested.
This may be secretly a 20/24 HDD "NAS" , buy 4 M.2 to 4/5 Sata adapters
Not bad. I think they should have just stuck with the hard disk bays and brought the price down. Or made the SSD storage a separate device
Yep. It's a dumb product. Do the needful: Buy a bigger case and HBA.
The prices of these external hard disk enclosures are absolutely inflated. There is no way this thing justifies a price of 300$. For 50$ we can talk about it.
The proper answer is to mock them for expecting a mini PC to be anything other than a mini PC. USB connected storage is a bad idea no matter who makes it.
For me, it seems like a waste of money for janky hardware with limitations. I'm not sure who their target audience is for this. But thank you for the comprehensive review!
For a lot less money I've been really impressed by the Syaba 8 bay DAS, which is also over USB. I've had no dropouts that I can perceive, and this is running on a N95 mini PC serving up Jellyfin, SMB, and Hyper-V.
I wish this was just a dumb 4 bay with either a sff-8088 or sff-8644 and sas support.
I have never had good luck with USB storage, and I've never had good luck with lots of USB devices all at once, hanging eight drives off one USB bus is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.
This is the issue the RTL9210 and the RTL9210b are shit chips, i have tried running a pair of usb nvme enclosures with those chips in raid1 and direct and there are issues with random crashes and disconnects(brand makes no difference), Even after updating their firmware not much improves. We are at a stage where usb to sata is rock solid but usb to pcie(nvme) is still shit. Can't find a single non thunderbolt chip that is stable. The day such a chip exists is the day where a usb4 40gb/ usb 20GB dual mode enclosure will be stable and possible.
Das is way too overpriced vs nas.
I wonder if an m.2 to 5x SATA adapter would work with this.
Does this machine connect using UASP. As a lot of USB DASs say they do. Yet it does not work.
The enclosure are crying out for an ethernet port. So you can use it as a NAS or a DAS. The lack of any cooling for the M.2s could be a problem, if you do a massive amount of content ingestion.
The reason I'm looking for SSDs is one, for minimum power draw, and two, because I no longer like the idea of mechanical devices being involved with my storage. In case you're looking for an all-M.2 SSD NAS, I figured out how to stuff 32 M.2s into a single PC using not-so-commonly available (but still consumer) hardware. It would use a few PCIe bridges, but ask me how! :-D
47:33 I already had installed Jellyfin, but I uninstalled (for reasons) it and re-installed it. But now when I try to create a Media Library the drive letter for the mounted smb share from the previous video of this series isn't showing up in the Jellyfin Media Library setup. Any idea on how to fix it?
13:29 I wonder if the higher random read bandwidth vs. sequential might be because the drive can split the load over multiple NAND chips when it's random...
for me its easy with the right sata cables for some of the drives though i need to work on cable management
I'm surprised this doesn't have rack mount capabilities, I could see 2 on a 1U shelf or 1 with a special rackmount adapter being pretty useful
the asmedia chips are a cheap way to turn usb to sata and usb to pcie and not worth as an NAS unless its an external hdd enclosure but then ur DIY nas are much superior for 200$
Do you happen to know how well this works with Proxmox + OpenMediaVault? Do you think that would have any read/write or dropout issues? Alternatively what *is* the answer then for adding additional storage to a mini PC, without making a bulky JBOD, if this DAS isn't it?
Guys be careful with terramaster NAS. During 2 OS updates my NAS lost all data but I have another backup ofc. (Warning about possible loss of data was shown before updating but cmon. I bought NAS to make my life easier not harder.
but why use a NAS when you can put multiple SATA3 drives on a potato. you get the operating system functions by default on the side.
terramaster Sucks!!!
This video came out at the perfect time! I'm looking to use a mini PC as an all-in-one home server for a 2.5gb router, NAS, Plex, etc. Really looking forward to your long term review, especially if things drop out!
Hi, love the videos as always, but I hear a clock in the back ground and it drives me insane, perhaps you can move it somewhere further away, thanks