I bet you'll find an empty ether can in the cab somewhere.

A few months ago I replaced an ISX with a broken crank. Engine had like 40k miles on it. Shockingly the engine actually ran fine. The only reason we found the issue was because it was having clutch release problems and that's when we found the flywheel could move front and back like a whole inch.

@MrMan-ol4ic

Жыл бұрын

My crank went 9m ago in my Cummins isx 425. 2013 KWT660. It was under warranty. Got a whole nother engine. Guess what happened 3 week's ago. The crank is going in this engine. Now it's getting a complete out of frame rebuild! These newer Cummins engines suck!

@Roger_Rabbit_Adventures

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMan-ol4ic that's terrible, but Thank God it was covered under warranty!!

@iwouldrathernot4274

Жыл бұрын

Ive replaced engines in trucks with less than 500 miles on them. One was a brand new volvo d13 that the bull gear dropped out on. That started a very fun campaign. The most recent was a dd13 in a brand new freightliner with a car hauler build, sent the rod out the side so hard that it blew the rods out of the compressor. Trying to pull that out in a car hauler frame involved a lot of swear words.

@nathan7627

Жыл бұрын

@@MrMan-ol4ic weird because ive never heard of such severe failure on the new cummins

@Joseph-C

Жыл бұрын

@the Chevy guy Thicker oil reduces efficiency and makes cold starts even worse for your engine. You need the oil to be thin when the engine is cold in order for it to flow. You are not a petroleum engineer. Stop spreading misinformation.

It would be cool to see the crank pulled out of the motor, and see just how it broke.

Awesome video., Back in 2010 I overhauled my 3406EK5 engine due to taking on water in the oil. While tearing it down the shop where I had it called & said my deck was out of spec & the engine would have to taken out to build back up. As long as he had ity out he said he would have my crankshaft ex-ray ed to make sure for no cracks. Well a day or so later he called & said my crankshaft had some small cracks & needed to be replaced. No a Good deal but if my deck hadn't had to been built bad up, I would have overhauled a engine with a faulty crankshaft & most certainly been in the very same shoes as the truck.the new crank cost me $4800.00 which I hated but I couldn't have wasted the other $30,000 for the overhaul so I guess in long run I was very lucky.Thanks for the video.

@iaial0

11 ай бұрын

They say best time to find a fault is when you're already in the shop!

That really was an entire video of destruction of the week! 👍

I drove trucks from the age of 19 until I was 63. I've seen it all (almost). Once a leased truck we had started knocking. I took to the lease garage to let them hear it, "they" said it was minor and not to worry. At that point it sounded like a little guy with a hammer was inside the block. I took it back 3 more times and received the same answer. When the engine finally seized we learned 1 injector had gone "full rich" and washed that cylinder clear of oil. Now this went on for months and I got to ask the mechanic if it was a tough fix as he hammered the sleeve out. My point is almost anything can and will happen eventually. Oh well it was leased and we got another to drive another as they fixed it.

Josh, you should try and get your bosses to send you to AFA1 and AFA2. Personally I found the courses gives you so much understanding that then took my diagnostic ability through the roof when using the 7 steps of problem diagnostics. It’s very rare for a CAT crank to break. in 15years as an Aussie CAT dealer plant mechanic I’ve seen 3 failed cranks and all from incorrect maintenance or repair processes. It would be interesting to see photos of the crankshaft cracks to see why it broke. The origin of the crack is the most important point. The FLS at 127 is off the planet! Did it also have 5232 Injector trim codes? Cheap ways to get power always fail in the end. Would have been better off converting it to a marine setup or making it an 18 or 16 internals.

That's definitely a good one. I had a truck come into my shop (a Mack CXU with an MP8, I am a Mack dealer tech) for an oil leak. The tech working on it discovered a hole in the oil pan. The hole turned out to have been made by a main bolt that came loose and was vibrating against the bottom of the pan. I believe we replaced all the main bolts and bearings. The main cap and bearing that the bolt came loose from were in good shape. Good thing too because the main cap could only have been replaced by replacing the engine.

@adco

Жыл бұрын

Wow 😮

Seen a few cranks fail in the main journal (3406E’s) that drove in slight miss was the only complaint and the rods and mains had just been done on everyone of them.

@sstevocamaro

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s what happened to my truck

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@dillonduty8084

Жыл бұрын

I was hoping I was close to right I'm no mechanic by any means but I knew what sound was right off by first hand experience and I'm an ok parts changer

@operationscomputer1478

Жыл бұрын

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@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

@@operationscomputer1478 I need to get the link up for those, thanks for asking.

Hats off to the guys that called the main bolt failure. Main cap bolt failure was the cause of the broken crank have noticed that cats Are notorious for bolt fracturing at the head, Deere also seems to be plagued with the same issue on head and rod bolts. Just for shits and giggles I've noticed that there is no radius Between the head and shaft on all the bolts that I had seen fail in this manner Might be a good place to start watching. We always watch when working with steel be it a crank radius or an axle I think all these new engineers have not been tought what we've learned over the years.

Wow, this takes me back to the late 1960s. I was driving an original Austin Mini - 848 cc of mighty British power. It was a car that you could drive at its limits all the time without attracting much attention but it was a lot of fun. Halfway through a 3 mile trip I was hitting high revs and a loud metallic knocking noise started. Drove the rest of the way home and began a tear down. Problem was a crack halfway across a crank throw. Noise was the crack opening and closing with each revolution of the crank. Lucky it didn’t break since the gearbox was right below in the sump! Put in new crank and it was on its way again, at high revs.

@RohanSanjith

Жыл бұрын

It was a oil burner?

@nevinkuser9892

Жыл бұрын

Yikes. I did a similar thing to my 2002 land Rover discovery. Driving from Colorado to Arizona at high speed. I pushed it beyond it's limits and slipped a cylinder sleeve out of place. Coolant mixed with fuel and it smelled awful. Coolant reservoir went dry in minutes. No bueno. Had to buy a used block from a junk yard in Los Angeles and use the old heads. It ran like a charm after that. I wish I didn't drive it like a sports car but that AWD feel so good at speed.

This is the third engine I've seen with a broken crank at #6 in the past 6 years.

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Excellent video, thank you for sharing. Very very educational!

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@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

Maybe I should.

Thanks for sharing that’s crazy I’ve seen a crank break before kinda like that but it didn’t take out any bolts just had a knock it was in a dozer

I have a friend stuck out in the I think New Mexico desert with a broken motor on his skoolie. He showed a picture of one of his pistons that looks like a hockey puck. I don't think this is good news. Keep the good stuff coming buddy.

Would be awesome to see a teardown and rebuild video but I'll bet he opts for a reman. Either way, a video on it coming out and going back in would be cool. Had a good destruction of the week the other day...magnet came out of the fill plug in a D8 final. Did 40k worth of damage lol

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

40k for a magnet? Oh man.

@SuperSecretSquirell

Жыл бұрын

Yup. The only salvageable parts is the spindle, hub, inner carrier and ring gear. When the magnet fell out it blew a chunk off of the sun gear and split the outer carrier then proceeded to eat up everything else.

@adco

Жыл бұрын

Totally 😢

@wazza33racer

Жыл бұрын

how does an actual magnet, fall out of a steel plug?!?!

Other than the obvious damage the internals looked really clean. As black as the oil gets it's still doing its job.

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@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

Have to thank Western States Cat for that, they are very generous with the giveaways.

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I, like the best three guessers, believe the number six main cap bolts broke first. The resulting loss of crankshaft support overloaded main bearing number seven, causing it to fail, and also overloaded the crankshaft itself, fracturing it.

We had a guy come in with a 3406E with a knock. We could float the sampler but the clutch wasn’t moving. We told him his crank was broken but refused to believe us. So I showed him . He was dumbfounded.

Had a Mack crank snap from a dead missing cylinder created torsional vibration snapped same way. Front damper issues also cause cracked cranks .

@sstevocamaro

Жыл бұрын

I think that’s what happened to my truck

Thought for sure the broken crank would have sent something out to daylight. Guess they shut it down pretty quick.

@johngoldsmith6629

Жыл бұрын

I have a good picture of a 1LW with the rod hanging out of the cylinder block, with the crankshaft still attached.

@leejohnson6173

Жыл бұрын

Lots of cats have had broken cranks and ran fine

Hi. What makes you conclude the crank broke first then causing the main bolts to break instead of the bolts coming loose and causing the crank to break then causing the heads to snap off?

I believe that the bottom line of why the crank broke is the dampener hardening internally at the front of the crankshaft.

My guess is that the dampner or crankshaft balancer has never be changed. Sure the bolts were broken but what caused them to break. Add in a past due balancer change and you add in a lot of vibration this you get fatigue thru out the engine and drive train.

I thought the oil samples were done in a different way for cat dealers, with a long clear plastic hose with a suction device through the oil dipstick. Good video.

I’ve been in a car when the crank snapped across the first web from the flywheel. Was one hell of a bang ! water and oil all over the road !

Boat anchor, when I take the oil pan off, while it is still under the engine. I take the four bolts out of the rear of the oil pump. That way it drops most of the oil in the pump and the pressure tube. I then remove psi tube and dump remaining oil out. Remove remaining parts and drop in oil pan. Most crankshaft breakage I see is on front or rear in the rod fillet radius. Grinder burn or inclusion in the metal. Very odd that the main cap bolts broke. I can see part of the shear lip on the bolt heads. I have seen head bolts do this as corrosion gets under it and causes a stress riser. ET0911, the warranty death tool.

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Just wanted to shed some light on the failure mode of those bolts; it looks to me like a brittle failure in a combination of tension and bending. The diagonal area of the fracture surface is where the internal stresses changed from tensile to compressive from the bending force. This seems about right from a massive impact to the main cap, and once one bolt has failed the remaining one will experience a massive bending moment causing it to fail too

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Wow!!! I've heard of crank shafts snapping in half but never seen on still in the block. What surprised me was the head of the bolt for the main cap broke off like that. Am wondering if those two bolts where compromised on installation on last rebuild.....

@mrln247

Жыл бұрын

I imagine a several hundred horse power 1500rpm hammer could wreck stuff pretty quick, hell of a lot of inertia spinning around and hitting metal on metal.

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

That's a very interesting way of thinking about it.

@mrln247

Жыл бұрын

@@AdeptApe A bit like an impact wrench but everything massive.

@charlesrodriguez7984

Жыл бұрын

@@mrln247 that’s a powerful hammer

@charlesrodriguez7984

Жыл бұрын

@@mrln247 😂

Use to see broken cranks in the 3408 all the time back in the eighties .

Had the rod cap bolts fall out in my Nissan. Crazy part is that they where not broken. Slightly bent from the rotation. The blue factory thread locker was still clearly visible as well as all the thread's being intact. They literally fall out and where laying on the windage tray.

awesome video.. i am thinking when you start looking really close that block is going to need a lot of work if it is not junked. i thinking the main caps moved around and have torn in to the block witch is going to allow new ones to rock around.

@therealrobertbirchall

Жыл бұрын

Green locktite

I watched you start this truck yesterday, then finding a coolant leak in a highway department truck. 😳 I had ideas, but not this bad.

Wild! I only get to play with isb 6.7s and trashforce7’s.. pretty cool to see something much larger fubar itself.

Used to be front crank dampener was a major cause of crank breakage. Is that still a issue?

I love seeing the carnage. It's my favorite part of a major engine destruction

@christopherburnham1612

Жыл бұрын

How do you crack a crank

I like to see the clutch and input to the transmission looks like Back in the early SDP CAT they had a adapter housings that had been machining that was off center line with crank shaft and taking out transmission left and right also the Torsional dampening cause from that created created crankshaft's bosting between those 2 spots between 6 and 7 mains I had one first hand on king of the hill 600hp do it at 67,000 miles in that time frame I had 5 transmission failure to my housing was off .235 thousands off as looking the truck look to be an old MIDWEST SPECIALIZE From Rochester MN Chris loved his trucks there but as for my self these engine had a lot short comings back 2008 2009 2010 were the worst years for PACCAR KW AND PETERBILT.

another broken crank shalf i had was in the old leyand hipo which was a water truck after doing some fact finding that was caused by the sims pump that they used and the engine bolted the owner at the time sold it and it looks like the crankshaft ended up with a slight bend and after a long time flexing it finaly broke

I’m going to guess it was shock loading that caused the crank to break. Driver probably likes to release the clutch too fast when starting off especially on hills. It takes an amazing amount of force to do that kind of damage. I’m also going to say that the block should be replaced. There might be micro stress cracks near or around that area. Better to be safe and replace everything than to chancing it and keeping the block. Stress to the customer to NOT screw with any settings because of the new warranty. So many guy out there think that they need more horsepower. A good driver can operate a truck with less horsepower than a guy operating it with high horsepower.

@2nickles647

6 ай бұрын

I think you got it right Sir. Shock loading. Broke the crank first and then the mains bolts broke. Diaminio effect. Like when people smoke their tires. They are shock loading the rear diff or other parts. Something has got to give. Seen to many smoked rear differentials.

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The main bolts have failed due to cyclic bending fatigue at the head radius which is one of the highest stressed areas of a bolt, final fracture is tensile not shear. Multipel ratchet marks at the fracture inetiation site indicate high cyclic stress rather then a bolt flaw or load. would be interesting to see the CS fracture faces but I suspect also a fatigue element is involved, I would suspect the dampener if there are no vissible material or manufacturing defects in the CS. Bolts are placed in tension (pre load) to generate sufeciant clamping force (friction) so as to reduce the shear stress on them. Typicaly the shear stength of steel is less then its tensile strength so a bolts strength is used to protect it from its weakness.👍

@2nickles647

6 ай бұрын

Cyclic beating fatigue 😅😅😅

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@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Nick!

I was in a buddies motor coach (2006 Country Coach) when the Cat in that snapped the crank. Whole 20 ton rig jumped a foot and it sounded like a b0mb went off. Cat warranted the crank but the labor was 10K.

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

That's a very cool story, must have been..... Exciting.

Those boltheads were hammered over and over until they fattigued and started to crack from one side. crack progressing untill it snaps.

Love to see the rebuild of this motor.

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

It's still just sitting there waiting on approval for someone.

@johngoldsmith6629

Жыл бұрын

No rebuild, replacement. Also if it is illegal your are require by law to make it legal, fine is $37,500.00.

@Roger_Rabbit_Adventures

Жыл бұрын

Chopra Motors does some amazing CAT rebuilds

@jimmyt4356

Жыл бұрын

@@johngoldsmith6629what are you talking about

I got a 6nz factory reman in a glider about to hit 100k miles When would you recommend running the overhead

@cargotoolshop5319

Жыл бұрын

When it makes noise, when you notice fuel mileage decrease or a power decrease, but in all reality it's really a personal choice, a Cummins ISX could go 500K before a overhead where a N14 I would recommend 200K miles max on them, again it's all personally what you feel comfortable with

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

I would say it's a good idea to check it at 100,000 miles. You'll probably get the most wear in the first 100,000 miles so it would be good to check it. Hopefully it won't need much adjustment.

@C_CEQUIPMENT

Жыл бұрын

@@AdeptApe thanks for the reply

Wow..,. information life is good 👍

Thanks!

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Ken.

Dis is amazing

I was thinking operator abuse might have broken the crank, but with 850K on the clock, it’s probably just a failed crank. Time for a complete overhaul.

It looks like fatigue was also involved in the bolts snapping off. Can see areas that have a satin appearance indicating they didn't break right away. Id bet it just sort of sounded funny at first until they gave way completely from the bending forces they were subjected to, at which point the sections of the crank moved out of alignment and then it started to come a knockin'.

@iaial0

11 ай бұрын

Overtorqued bolts maybe? I don't think they can snap this bad if they're torqued properly

@2nickles647

6 ай бұрын

Crank broke. Started beating on the mains. Broke the main bolts.

I'm wondering if someone did rods and mains and then over torqued the main bolts.

@johngoldsmith6629

Жыл бұрын

You would stretch the bolt and the weakest point is where the threads meet the shank. Or it would have locked up the engine.

For got to tell you, we had in our shop a new content long block. Been running two years, took the cylinder head off and all water ferrules was missing.

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

They were just gone? I guess I shouldn't triple check them when I install a head then.

@johngoldsmith6629

Жыл бұрын

@@AdeptApe Yes Sir, Cat forgot to install them. Amazing it did not leak coolant. The spacer plate gasket had the aviation sealer on it.

That's incredible. How many miles were on this engine? 850k... thanks!

@markm0000

Жыл бұрын

Listen @10:15

Damn Cat bolts are generally pretty big bolts for the mains to snap one of them definitely destruction of the week on that

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Called it. BTW, love the videos

Hey alright! Thank you for the mention @AdeptApe . Love the content!

@AdeptApe

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting.

@Adept Ape not sure what your doing for repair, but I would be skeptical of re using injectors the dampener or clutch and flywheel. Most of the time when I've seen broken cranks it's been because of a poorly balanced rotating assembly or cylender contribution is way out to lunch

i had a simular problem with a hino motor and when you look at the bolt and the head you will find that there was a very tiny defect in the bolt and the flexing waves will coinside with the power stroke of the engine so after a long time the flexing continues then after that time the bolt snap off i was the service manager for hino at the time and hino replaced thecrankskalf and repaird the moter but the customer had to pay for the gasket set

That block is going to need a lot of repair, if it can be repaired, might even need line bored, in all reality I don't I would use it at all.

I emailed you Josh, I included my info. That was a cool contest lol

I assume that crank is forged steel, but the grain in the crack looks a bit odd like it is cast

Wow!!

Darn, I hate it when the sponsored ad is interrupted by a KZread inserted ad.

LOL at (3:40). Wow. Very rare experience.

the bolt that lost the head looked like it had vertical cracks?

Im curious when the vibration damper was last replaced. In my experience that is overlooked a lot and can cause a crank to snap.

@Roger_Rabbit_Adventures

Жыл бұрын

True. Some people say it doesn't matter. Had mine replaced by Pittsburgh Power on an ISX several years ago. Replaced the Damper and also added the liquid mercury balancer behind it. It truly smoothed out the engine

@rapidrabbit898

Жыл бұрын

I think in the "Serp. belt retrofit" video, he said 600k is recommended. So this one is only 200k over.

@wazza33racer

Жыл бұрын

thats a good call, the fluid filled dampers are known to go hard over time.........easy way to destroy a crankshaft.

@johnjubie7144

Жыл бұрын

@@Roger_Rabbit_Adventures Very good point, dampeners seem to be a part that nobody wants to spend money on.

@DirkDigglerbig1

Жыл бұрын

I have the same engine, I was told mine was permanent. Don't know what that means. But mine is not filled or nothing. I have an SDP engine.

How much well it costs for the rebuild?

The strength of bolts or studs are in tension, not shear. If the crank cracked it would introduce shear forces on the main bolts and it looks like they were partially sheared before the heads snapped off. Could be wrong of course as just looking at video.

@johngoldsmith6629

Жыл бұрын

Could have two failures, I agree about the bolt head failure.

While we took a minute to hear about the sponsor, I couldn't help but hope that the poor fella who owns that truck also has a sponsor or two. 🤣

It seems that you gonna be doing little bit of welding 😂

@2nickles647

6 ай бұрын

Call out the Pakistan crew. They can weld anything anywhere. I guarantee it😅😅😅

I had a Toyota HDJ81 Landcruiser, 4.2 Turbo diesel. I rebuilt the motor, and in hindsight I should have crack tested the crank because in about 5 thousand k's the bastard thing broke right at the flywheel end. In NZ nothing is cheap and rebuilding this motor cost a fortune, i wasn't going through that again so I repowered it with a v8. Live and learn eh.

Well that's an Inframe. DIdn't see, but did the block take any whacks?

Are factory cranks magafluxed at the factory?

Isn’t the tq spec like 90ftlb and two flats?

People guessed the broken crank location since they have seen it before, and its a known failure mode........... Certain engines have a "broken crank" issue. A good example was the late 1970's V8 Mack engine........375hp rating, they were well known crank snappers. By the mid 1980's, the 400-V8 Mack was super reliable, do a million miles no problem.

Hi I have questions I bay front cat dealer in pa in the past year cat 2ws 550 install in my 2000 w900. So the problem I have is in the summer in altitude of 7or 8000 feet of altitude temperatures going up to 217 218 . Bo went are in pa the altitude is no to much the are work ok I replease the thermostat for 5513 this one open a 180 Instead 190 the engine have before, and replease atmospheric sensor the radiator for one custom make 5 channels. This engines work like this ? Thanks in advance

When is part two coming out

When you posting the tear down?

So how much will it cost to repair this engine?

can spun bearings be polished and used

@kcbob8004

7 ай бұрын

Absolutely not. The locking tabs are broke off and they have lost their crush fit. And that is aside from the obvious damage to the surface area.

To my complete embarrassment, I did this to a brand new Freightliner Cummins Formula 290 in 1977. I let it over rev going down a grade on US 60 in Missouri. Stupid to the max, a terrible lesson to learn.

as pertains to the force required to share what the Peterbilt parts website says the size of a Caterpillar C15 engine main bearing cap bolt: τ = Ƒ / π𝘥𝘩 τ = 150,000 psi / 3.14159265 × 0.875" × 0.0625" (my estimate of the area sheared from watching the video is roughly 1/16" long.) τ = 25,777 psi Higher than the safe combustion gasses pressure allowed by Cummins® according to a KZreadr describing the STC systems in Cummins® heavy duty engines (20,000 psi).

Whether this is true or not is up for debate. I’ve heard if a crank breaks in the rear, it was a vibration from the front. And if they break up front, it’s a vibration from behind coming up the driveline. Do you think it was the damper?

I called that one lol You could tell by the sound it was the crank

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