I've been pointing out the Valles Marinares as a good spot for over a decade. Radiation and meteor strikes will be the biggest dangers for humans on Mars. Being down in these canyons will provide essential natural protection for any base, building into the wall itself might also be possible? Then you have a best spot example for any attempts to propagate plants or experiment with water etc. Nice they found water-ice near these locations, that is a huge bit of good luck 👍

@mervstash3692

12 күн бұрын

You've been pointing it out? Or you are parroting what someone else pointed out? They didn't find ice near it, They speculate there could be small amounts of ice under the crust after recent scans. No where near the volume which could be extracted on mass. The only place they can do that is at the poles. Also, plants won't grow there. Not unless you are going to bring all the soil from Earth too

@djohannsson8268

10 күн бұрын

Hydroponics and vertical plant farming. The only issue is maintaining and controlling temperature and internal atmosphere in the Mars food growing terrariums. That will require electrical power. Being it's a closed system everything is recycled. So you will need a few tons of chemical nutrients and enough water to start with.

@_BLACKSTAR_

8 күн бұрын

Ya too bad the govt is no longer of by and for the people.Its an oligarchy deep state machine that wants to fund endless wars and man made viruses so the companys who produce war machines and vaccines can profit off of tax dollars that are printed out of thin air and added to the ridiculous national debt.

Cloud cities on Venus would be nice too

@johndavidmyself8039

15 күн бұрын

Had them on the planet Mongo, I believe.

@nightlightabcd

15 күн бұрын

Actually, no it wouldn't! The cost would far exceed any benefit that could possibly be gained! Same with the moon and Mars!

@Tarquinthetyrant

15 күн бұрын

@@nightlightabcdtf do you care about the cost, you’re not paying for it

@jusu8961

15 күн бұрын

mars and venus have a magnetosphere and atmosphere that protect people from solar radiation

@GreyDeathVaccine

15 күн бұрын

@@nightlightabcd The thing is... benefit you are talking about is survival of the human race. Costs don't matter.

The best idea is to dig a colony into the valley walls, or look for lava tubes. The area should be rich in minerals as well.

@Preciouspink

13 күн бұрын

I was wondering that too,or specifically where exactly in that God forsaken ditch is most advantageous for surviving a rescue hold out,like when (Shackleton left the boys on that sprig of a rock up in the Arctic)back to the Earthly realm.

@patclark2186

10 күн бұрын

@@Preciouspink Shackleton! I had forgotten that heretic tale of survivable.. That's the kind of people who should be in the first few ships. . Elon Musk should advertise for people of acton who want low pay, great danger, adventure and a high chance of dying .

I'm going to watch the video right now. Just want to say that I love your content. Here and on Tesla Space. Good stuff!!!!

Another thing I find fascinating is the proponderance of methane gas emitted from the surface at night. There just may be life underground.

@the_new_project

4 күн бұрын

Fuel ready to go.

@masteroutlaw100

2 күн бұрын

The real tell tale gas would be hydrogen sulfide, which they've also found there

@moxnix1026

2 күн бұрын

@@masteroutlaw100 Another tell tale gas. Yes. They are two peas in a pod. Methane and H2S. Both produced in anoxic environments.

We are going to need a different term to replace "sea level" when we get to Mars😅

@jerthon1

15 күн бұрын

Surface level, The average level of the whole surface.

@zackmakesstuff

14 күн бұрын

VML (Valles Marineres Level), the lowest point on Mars's surface.

@geradkavanagh8240

14 күн бұрын

I think there is already a scientific agreement on that. Just still mapping and refining the Datum as new missions arrive at Mars.

Those white reflections in the video are very very distracting.

@ryanfurness8943

14 күн бұрын

Yep, totally agree. They're not aesthetically pleasing at all. Just irritating and disruptive.

Would be good to find a section that has a cave or lava tube.

@geradkavanagh8240

14 күн бұрын

I guess you read the Red Mars series as well?

Thanks . Very helpful

Such an amazing goal!

winds on the flat plains blow away all the regolith, leaving a thin veneer behind... while in the deep channels, you have thick dunes of regolith, and regolith is best for 3d printing radiation protection over habitats.

The current video title is kinda misleading.

@aienthusiast618

14 күн бұрын

not really, he said where the best location would be

@NicoA47

14 күн бұрын

@@aienthusiast618 I get that, it is not totally off, but the video title pretty clearly made me expect some actual plans from NASA: "This is where NASA _will_ build the first Mars colony!"

@aaaaa5272

13 күн бұрын

Not "kinda"!! I will say "totally" misleading. NASA has currently no such plans in this region.

@Fuglygo2hellfuck

11 күн бұрын

​@@aaaaa5272hmmmmm bold statement how 🤔 curious 🤔

@Fuglygo2hellfuck

11 күн бұрын

​@@NicoA47you don't really pay much attention or follow space x or nasa news do you does Elon musk ring a bell or are you just deliberately ignoring him so you can put your pointless point across 🤔

wouldn't the deep canyons also offer up protection against cosmic/solar radiation? Like meteors, radiation that hits at and angle would be absorbed by the canyon walls, only radiation hitting close to 90 degrees would get through, which would, in my estimation, be a considerable reduction.

We have to call it Happy Valley (from the show for all mankind)

Lovely vid😊

Valles Marineris has about the same volume as the Mediterranean Sea.

Well it looks like a great place. Can’t wait to go.

Thank you for this educational video. The deep canyons and buried glacier ice on Mars provides the best opportunities for humans first colony.

@geradkavanagh8240

14 күн бұрын

Glacial ice is all speculation. Won't know till actual drill cores are conducted. Possible yes, probable , maybe. Known , totally unknown at the moment.

Great Video !!! Love it! A whole new World to Develop! I have Vizulized A half dozen large bases and rocket ports. A few Huge cities all connected by hyperloops. A gatway space station and a Satellite constellation network around the whole planet .👍

brilliant video. Thanks.

Great video, thanks

Stellar episode man.

One problem with the temperature is that it is 20 degrees at the surface. With the atmosphere so thin the temperature could be 0 degrees at six foot.

@geradkavanagh8240

14 күн бұрын

Once you heat the ground underneath it will basically hold the temperature.

@joeker1013

12 күн бұрын

@@geradkavanagh8240 ?

only concern I might have with settling the noctis labyrinth might be the potential landslides of gigantic proportions, aside from that catastrophic point of failure it looks like a perfect place to settle

The canyon Valles Marineris is very deep and the atmospheric pressure would be increasingly greater as one descends into it. This could allow a lifting body type space vehicle (like the Sierra Space Dream Chaser Spaceplane), to be used as a reusable re-entry vehicle requiring far less fuel for a mission to Mars. The atmosphere over all is quite thin and landing speed would be very high but with a landing strip that could easily exceed 2000 miles in length this wouldn't necessarily be an issue.

FYI, "mesa" is pronounced MAY-sa.

@cacogenicist

15 күн бұрын

You're right that it isn't /’mɛ.sə/ -- but it also isn't quite /ˈmeɪ.sə/. The initial vowel is steady, not a dipthong as in "pay." Not the vowel in "met" and not the vowel(s) in "may." This assumes we're talking about Spanish pronunciation.

@Dead_Kerbal

15 күн бұрын

@@cacogenicist *Nerds* 😂😂

@aienthusiast618

14 күн бұрын

@@Dead_Kerbal he knows his stuff though

@MagicToenail

12 күн бұрын

It's mesa, not may-sa

@salarrue78

12 күн бұрын

wrong, it is a Spanish word. May-sa is how english westerners pronounce it.

Getting excited to explore Mars!

Very enjoyable episode, I had not heard about the water discovery. Just fix the transitions…

Ive always said a canyon with a sheet of some sort of glass material would be better and cheaper then a domed city since I first got into outer space stuff. Be more easy mine right there then having to dig down a lot too.

Interesting. Thanks.

Good one, one of the best, with stunning imagery. I knew about the Mariner probe to Mars so many decades ago but did not know the massive canyon was named after it, a good tid bit of knowledge. Yeah, looks like a good place to go if we do in near or long term. But for me now too old, so it is only an "interesting thing". Sort of like knowing there are tigers and polar bears in wilds of this planet. I will never see them but glad we still have them, for now. Same with Mars, a nice place to visit maybe, plant a flag and get back home. Like the moon was too, decades ago. Good place for adventurous souls who may want to make a quick buck, mining or something to do with space science, and get home to spend it. See the great old sci fi movie "Outland" starring Sean Connery in a non-007 James Bond role for an example of that, on, I think, the Jupiter moon Io, where he was the local "sheriff" in town/colony!! Cheers! :D

The canyon and lava tubes are potentially good places to start a colony. They would provide some protection and some resources that will be needed to survive. Also human activity will create a thicker atmosphere, which would maximize the potential for these locations.

@rais1953

14 күн бұрын

Covered habitats will need their own atmospheres. It's unlikely that there will ever be a planet-wide dense atmosphere since the frozen CO2 covering the polar water ice is only a few metres deep. Vaporising all of it wouldn't double the present atmospheric pressure.

@RGF19651

14 күн бұрын

Even if activities produced gases to. Oldster the thin Martian atmosphere, it would sooner or later be blown away by the solar wind, since Mars does not have a magnetic field.

The best series of books on the colonization of Mars is by Kim Stanley Robinson: _'Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars.'_ Although it's science fiction it uses real science, and still holds up incredibly well thirty years after the first book....(1993)

How deep below the surface is this water ice? Would we need heavy equipment to get to it?

There is in fact a LOT of water ice at mid latitudes also. More papers are coming out on this caldera complex. Fascinating location. Tons of water almost certainly, and probably some really interesting mineralization. I joked to one of the scientists who discovered this that it would be funny if there were enormous epithermal copper/silver/gold deposits around the ring fractures -- because no plate tectonics, so the same area of crust has remained over the hotspot for vastly longer than would be the case on Earth -- and he didn't object to the speculation. Said there's mineralization in the area that hasn't been characterized yet. Elevation is a little high as far as ease of landing while not making a crater.

Given the depth and increased atmospheric pressure, Valles Marinaris is probably the ideal place for a foothold permanent settlement. Air scavenger equipment won't have to work as hard. Pressure suits won't have to be overly engineered. Landing inside the valley may have to wait a bit until landings can be guaranteed within 1 kilometre of expected destination. I wonder what interesting geology will be uncovered then.

What's that rectangle on the top right getting visible for some seconds? Watermark? There ist also other flicker. Is it all watermarks?

Titan video about NASA's Dragonfly would be interesting?

oh thats why i found so many materials in that spot when i was playing a colony game.

Ive read that the valleys occurred from the shrinking of the planet as its mantle and core cooled

OK, I'm sold. What types and what costs are to be had in an acquisition of shares?

Why not save earth insted?

@jjhpor

15 күн бұрын

That is so boring. If you keep your eyes focused on the pointless far away adventure you don't have to address every day reality. Human love to make a mess and move on instead of cleaning up after themselves.

As a Planet Crafter player, I believe they should build on the higher elevations. Just sayin.

Lava tubes would be the go, protection from cosmic rays, meteorites, cheaper to seal sections off to maintain atmospheric pressure

6:35 looks a bit like the alignment of the Belt of Orion or the three big pyramids of Giza..

Have you ever seen the badlands of North Dakota? That could qualify as a chaotic terrain.

Can we just rename the canyon as the "butt crack of mars"?

@RougeCheeseit

15 күн бұрын

Lol

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

15 күн бұрын

looks more like a light saber gash

@ronschlorff7089

15 күн бұрын

@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 Could be!! We have no reference as to the scale of those Star Wars people who lived "a long time ago in a galaxy far away"!!

@paulmichaelfreedman8334

15 күн бұрын

@@ronschlorff7089 "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force"

@MrFranklitalien

15 күн бұрын

mArse Crack

This is one of the best videos you’ve made so far EXCEPT for the very disturbing “slide show“ whiteout transition effect used. It’s almost unwatchable and a real shame. You should re-edit with fade to black or just blend in transitions and re-upload. Seriously!!

We probably stuffed up Mars in the 1st place on the way to Earth then we realized Eatth is a back water planet

Good choice!

Reminds me to go back playing surviving mars game.😁

At 4:31 he says Mars never had plate tectonics, but at 5:16 he says tectonic activity was one of the likely causes of something or other. Either he is inconsistent or I still don't understand plate tectonics.

That canyon is the perfect spot if they can Superdome the top of it. A city of a million people will need to be completely enclosed there. They can create artificial lakes and rivers with fish and birds, forests with animals like deer, sprinkler system rainfall, and nuclear powered UV lights on the dome canopy. A sustainable human civilization will need all of that.

@Bobby-dh9qh

14 күн бұрын

Geoff Lawton students should be among the first settlers. Food forestry experts who also know all about composting and how to link the sewage system to fertile forest soil creation.

42:50 As an American in Japan, this cicada "scare" is hilarious. It's far worse than that in Japan every summer. So hearing that people are contacting 911, I burst out laughing. 😂 I would love to hear their reasons for contacting 911, what threat to life and property they thought was happening, and what they expected emergency services to do about it. Cicadas are actually a great thing for Nature. It a sudden burst of food for pretty much everything bigger than a cicada. I get it that they're extremely loud, and only get louder as the weather gets hotter, but in Japan, just like earthquakes, that's life.

@darylbrown8834

15 күн бұрын

911? Someone's making a lot of noise outside and trying to break into my house! 🤨 😆🤣

@JohnOhkumaThiel

14 күн бұрын

@@darylbrown8834 In NYC, that's 411, and the police don't even bother to show up.

Chaotic terrain look like badlands.

An important issue to resolve, first - is Mars flat like the Earth?

@Dead_Kerbal

15 күн бұрын

Didn't you pay attention? It's egg shaped!

My audio-book 'Tasha Nagorski: Martian Pioneer' is set on Mars in Mariner Valley, Noctis Labyrinthus, and Olympus Mons. You'll find it here on KZread.

Typo - in your other video you said Mariner 9 reached Mars in 1971 and here you say 1972. Wiki says it entered Mars orbit in November 1971. Small error but you already had the right dates in your last video presentation. Write them on your hand before going to bed.

Human settlement Valles Marineris, or Mariner Valley.Looks more like Death Valley Days minus Ronnie Reagan.

If we ever get there...dream on...

@jonesfarm6501

14 күн бұрын

We getting closer

@A-tv366

21 сағат бұрын

Soon when we get old

Need to send up a pair of boring company tunneling machines. Build a circular colony with spinning cars to give 1g so there's no muscle/bone loss. Harvest ice, other minerals. These weigh about 1200 tons now but larger craft made in lunar orbit can manage a lightend version in pieces with a couple of transits. (Would need multiple launches from planet to orbit to get it up to the transport. (Musk envisaged an 18m dia (8x the volume/cargo) Starship. It could be built in lunar orbit.

100% SF Still waiting on a camera on the Moon and those hotels promised 50 fkn years ago.

NASA's plan to colonize Mars?! LMAO That's a good one. NASA can't get out of its own cost plus rut! If anyone at all can colonize mars, it will be Space X !

@ronschlorff7089

15 күн бұрын

Yup, soon as they get to get it to stop blowing up, RUD'ing, and burning up on reentry. Yup they got this, for sure!! That's a good one!!!! LOL LOL LOL :D

@Dead_Kerbal

15 күн бұрын

@@ronschlorff7089 Im sold! Were do i get my 100.000 dollars pre-paid vouchers for dat first X ship landing there? Ticketmasters?

@rodrigooliveiraborges4269

14 күн бұрын

We won't see man set foot on Mars in our lifetime, perhaps in 200 years. I believe that all efforts will be on the moon, especially if China manages to create a colony first.

@mervstash3692

12 күн бұрын

Don't quit your day job at the Urinal cake taste testing factory

@Dead_Kerbal

12 күн бұрын

@@mervstash3692 Sorry i was busy processing your order. Its already in shipping now. You said anything there, buddy?

Hellas Planitia is my favorite

Forget gravity wells, build in space.

So' all day solar power' Right?

Knowing my luck if I was on the crew it'd start raining.

How wonderful it will be when we take over Mars and transform the whole planet into a second Earth--green, breathable, self-sustaining. Something to live for. I'm 66. I've decided to live to 300,. It's what gets me out of bed in the morning. Well, that and my need to pee.

@jaywalker1233

14 күн бұрын

Makes great sci-if. Sadly, one third gravity means that’s all it will be

Can anyone recommend a scientific review of Mars surface development?

all we need tp make it rain on mars is enough atmospheric pressure to keep water liquid in the deepest valleys - once it rains fish can survive mars nature (melt large amounts of ice with reflectors, boiloff be greenhous insulation and atmospheric pressure )

@maxmizer002

15 күн бұрын

We could build thousands of rockets on one side of mars to start the rotation again

@jjhpor

15 күн бұрын

@@maxmizer002 A second law problem.

@maxmizer002

15 күн бұрын

@@jjhpor millions

@replica1052

15 күн бұрын

@@maxmizer002 to collect asteroids before they vanish into the sun is a mission - send solar sails to alter asteroids orbits for a big mars moon for strong tidal forces

So when they get past the international space station they figure out how to get past the Van Allen radiation belt without killing everyone

Is the rock found around this volcano the same as our basalt

Happy Valley

Good video

Imagine doming over, pressurizing and making habitable that huge canyon, could potentially support more than 10 million. Edit, I meant this as a potential future prospect for humanity when we have the luxury, not too soon.

@rodrigooliveiraborges4269

14 күн бұрын

Easier to plant trees on earth and make our planet more habitable.😂

@mervstash3692

12 күн бұрын

Not in the next few hundred years

Mess-a! 😂😂😂

Why did you stop uploading podcast to iheartradio?

Our new home? Yeah let's leave Earth for a planet that has already been through the apocalypse and never recovered.

@detroitjack0325

13 күн бұрын

Where is NASA going to come up with all this money for these Martian projects? As a near bankrupt nation, we don't have the money to take care of the crumbling infrastructure on Earth and we are going to colonize Mars?

@itzamia

13 күн бұрын

@@detroitjack0325 You got that right. The money could fix failing infrastructure, feed the poor, health care etc

@MagicToenail

12 күн бұрын

@@detroitjack0325We aren't the only nation on the entire planet 😂. You don't think Europe won't land there spacecraft on Mars?

@detroitjack0325

12 күн бұрын

@@MagicToenailThe United States is on the verge of bankruptcy. Europe is no better financially. Europe for the last century has depended on the United States for major financial assistance. If and when the United States goes under, so does Europe! If anyone who might colonize Mars it will be China, not the United States! The U.S. can't afford to repair or rebuild our deteriorating major infrastructure, so how are we going to afford to colonize Mars?

@SPotter1973

11 күн бұрын

Just wait they will blame whitey for Mats being barren.

It would be a step forward indeed if the host of this post could fully research statements before erroneously making them e.g; " no tectonic activity i.e; no Mars quakes ...which were clearly detected by the Insight lander in situ on the red planet.🤔

3:00 "Chaos terrain is unique to Mars and other alien worlds." You need to look up the difinition of the word 'unique'. Never mind, I'll save you the trouble, it means 'one of a kind'. There's no such thing as 'very unique' and certainly not 'unique to several different places'. It's not that difficult a word to understand, it's surprising how many people seem to have trouble with it.

I’m watching this 39 minutes after it was uploaded

@Dead_Kerbal

15 күн бұрын

Who cares? - It's the real question.

How big is a kilometer

@Dead_Kerbal

15 күн бұрын

1000 meters and a meter is about 3 feet.

@richardbloemenkamp8532

14 күн бұрын

A bit more than half a mile. (about 62% of a mile)

I wonder where the Mariner satellite got it's name from... Maybe the giant trench on earth.

Way more relevant: Where will SpaceX build the first Mars colony?

@scottmari

15 күн бұрын

The Boring Company is working on automated tunneling equipment. Tesla is working on Optimus. Pretty sure these will be the first passengers.

@travishylton6976

15 күн бұрын

has anything space x said come true yet man on mars by 2024 or 1 million by 2050?

@nickl5658

15 күн бұрын

Somewhere nice and flat... a plain as the tall Starship rockets cannot land without tipping over.

@TalismancerM

15 күн бұрын

Musk won't get what he wants...there's no way the US govt will just let him just build his own independent Mars Epstein Island as the 1st colony on the planet.

@Fatbaddie24

15 күн бұрын

@@travishylton6976well 2050 hasn’t happened yet

you should get some h20 there oxygen is next

Mariana trench is deeper...... just because its got some water on it dont mean it should be forgoten.

How accurate are these dimensions and timescales of these areas. Is the existence of large deposits of water (ice) proven or just hopeful? The area is volcanic, the place proposed for colonisation is volcanic active recently, how recent is that, last year, a 1000 years ago, a million years ago?? Is it a sensible place to establish a settlement? NASA will establish the settlement? NASA may well provide the money but if they are in charge of the project it will never happen.

It is no mystery that the planet is growing. Just like all planets grow. The planet Mars shows perfect growth signs in that they are not worn away by water erosion. Take that into account and the mystery is solved. If there will ever become any civilization there it will need to be far below the surface where there may actually be water and where oxygen can possibly exist.

Can we focus on the moon colony first? We need a springboard, not a hail mary pass

IMO Valles Marineres wasn't formed geologically.

theres gold in them there hills

Hi, I am an American. I live in the USA. Here we use FEET---Miles . Somebody made a mistake and showing the foreign version with KM for distance. Do you hav an AMERICA version I can understand?

@richardbloemenkamp8532

14 күн бұрын

Assuming you survived primary school, I suppose you can convert. While you are at it please discard the nautical mile as it only raises confusion and ensure a round conversion factor between miles and feet. I grant you that inch, foot and mile sound a lot better than centimeter, meter and kilometer. I'm European and I live in France, but I do appreciate the American space program, NASA, SpaceX, Blue Origin, ULA etc. I work in the energy-sector using these conversions so often that both systems are second nature to me now. I guess Google would be in a position to generate a foot-mile version automatically if desired.

Mars is not a "home" but rather a last ditch place to go if we really "F" up our real home earth 🌍

I like the planet i live on thanks

Wawa and 711 opening soon….😂

🌞

Wouldn't it cheaper in our Grand Canyon?

Providing we make mars alive once again, that would not be the best choice for a colony

So let's get this straight, we can't live on this planet, that is already set up for us, with an abundance of everything we need to survive, but we're going to travel millions of kilometres to live on a planet that can't support life? Okay wise guy, what's next?

@keithposter5543

14 күн бұрын

Don't worry, it's not going to happen.

@960456

14 күн бұрын

Way to miss the point. Mars is a contingency against human extinction. Currently, all of our eggs are in one basket. Should an asteroid or other catastrophe befall the Earth, I, for one, would like to have another place to cradle Humanity.

@vaqueroontario

13 күн бұрын

@@keithposter5543 I'm not worried, just about human intellectual decline, lol

good idea ...if we terraform mars and succeed...the first base gonna be under water😮

@jjhpor

15 күн бұрын

I can't wait to see the rocket ship that carries all that water to Mars.

@MrNote-lz7lh

15 күн бұрын

@@jjhpor Won't happen. We'll melt the water that's already on mars instead.

@Dead_Kerbal

15 күн бұрын

@@MrNote-lz7lh And watch it escape into the void...

@lucifercaeleste

6 күн бұрын

You can't even fix the planet you're destroying (right now) as a collective. Let's pump the breaks on discussing terraforming Mars.

@Dead_Kerbal

6 күн бұрын

@@lucifercaeleste It's gonna be super easy, barely an inconvenience! 🤣🤣🤣 Gotta love today's generations fool optimism. All hail Overlord Mush and his fucking white paper... 😒