Tyvek is the best option. It's cheap, light, very strong and very puncture resistant (think holly leaves), highly water resistant and you can cut it to whatever shape you want. If the piece is large enough sometimes I like to leave a flap at the door that I can roll out so my knees and hands don't get dirty getting in and out. Get some Coghlan's tarp grommets and you can add stake or attachment points. Tyvek is very loud when you get it, but that's easy to fix. Use your preferred method to get it all wrinkly and then throw it in the washer on cold/gentle cycle with *no detergent* and let it air dry. Depending on how wrinkly you got it before you put it in the washer you might have to run it through twice, but when it's done it'll be soft and quiet.

@andrewhyduke1974

8 ай бұрын

Luke mentioned that tyvek must be placed the correct side up to keep out the ground moisture. Do you know which side needs to be up?

@Im_With_Stupid

8 ай бұрын

@@andrewhyduke1974 Well, I heard him say it has to be used right, but my assumption is that, as you say, it needs to have the right side up. The most common type is Homewrap and you'd want to put the printed side facing the ground since that's the side designed to be exposed to the elements. That's what I do and it's always fine, never had any leaking, but then I never thought about it and only put it that way because it seemed to make more sense. Would it still work the other way? Possibly. There's several different types of Tyvek, though, and I don't think they're all obviously marked, so the best thing to do to, at least without knowing more about how to identify or use them, is just stick with Homewrap which is easy to identify because it has HOMEWRAP printed all over it. Homewrap also has the highest HH rating.

@billpetersen298

8 ай бұрын

I’m wondering, once it is washed, is it still as waterproof. Going from crinkly to soft, means the structure has changed.

@Im_With_Stupid

8 ай бұрын

@@billpetersen298 I don't actually know, but a ground sheet is primarily for puncture and tear resistance while water resistance is mostly just an added bonus. Homewrap has a 2100mm HH rating, so even if washing it cut it in half you'd still be adding a 1000+mm waterproof barrier to your tent floor and that's nothing to sneeze at. I will say, though, that I've got Tyvek (Homewrap) ground sheets that I've been using for years and I've never had any moisture issues with them. Just the other weekend I rode out tropical storm Ophelia with one that's a good three years old and stayed bone dry throughout an entire night of torrential rain, but then the next day when I packed up the ground under my tent was completely dry, anyway, and that's usually how it is unless you're camped on a slope or in a valley. In those conditions your ground sheet's HH rating is largely irrelevant because the water is going to run over it as much as under it.

@billpetersen298

8 ай бұрын

@@Im_With_Stupid Thanks for the reply. My daughter, myself, and her friends, just got back from a Vancouver area mountain hike yesterday. I did the hammock. She was in my new ultra light Durston tent. I'm laughing at myself, because I brought for her an old garage tarp for a ground sheet. It weighs half as much as the tent. Our gear is all over the map, but we still have a great time.

I’ve always used a ground shield to protect my investment (tent) but I bought a large sheet of gortex, 1000D, and made my own. 6 years later, still using the same sheet.

I remember when tents had tough, thick floors for these reasons. Now they're wafer thin so they can sell the weight statistics, but then recommend a ground sheet anyway. Just build it in!

@StephenMcGregor1986

8 ай бұрын

#swaglife

@duvessa2003

8 ай бұрын

Really! Enough of the marketing games.

@Im_With_Stupid

8 ай бұрын

It's not entirely about the dollar, though. Tent materials have advanced quite a lot and we no longer need thick, heavy material for a tent floor to be strong. 20D nylon is very tough stuff and for polyester to achieve the same strength it has to be thicker and heavier. Sil/sil nylon is even tougher. To someone who doesn't know any better, not that you don't, the assumption is that the thicker, heavier material is stronger than the lighter, flimsier material.... but it's not. Even for me at 50 years old it's sometimes hard to trust these paper thin materials simply because I grew up on the thick polyesters of yore. Even back then ground sheets were commonplace, though. We just didn't use them because the tents themselves with their polyester material and fiberglass poles already weighed a ton.

@jimsheeran4952

4 ай бұрын

In more than 40 years of camping -- I've almost always used some form of ground cloth. It's an added barrier between your tent and the ground and moisture. It helps keep your tent bottom cleaner, and reduces the odds of an unseen stick or stone penetrating your tent floor.

@user-zo8ck6kg1n

3 ай бұрын

Sell weights statistics? lol. There are many reasons why you would want a separate ground sheet and have separation of material between the tent floor and the ground. Here’s something that people continually ignore. When you have two separate sheets of material, they are able to move freely over one and other. So if there is any type of abrasion occurring on either the top, or the bottom, the material incurring the friction and abrasion abrasion will not move, it will simply have the effect of the opposing material sliding over it. This is why it’s still reasonable to have a Dyneema ground sheet under a Dyneema tent floor. They move freely over one another to prevent snagging and abrasion and puncture.

I just started camping so due to budget constraints I am using an old tarp that I already owned. It is so nice to have it not only to protect the tent, but also when packing up it's a nice clean spot to get my tent rolled up and my sleeping bag rolled up (can't afford a stuff bag yet but it's on my list). Then when I get home I can hang the tarp on the clothesline, spray it off, and let it dry. Glad I watched so many videos before camping for the first time; this is one of the things I wouldn't have even known about.

Something to keep in mind about tent-specific footprints is that their gromet placement is often designed to make the difference between being able to set up the fly before the inner or not. This is important for example if setting up in the rain without a tarp overhead, so that the poles will already be correctly locked in and things won't get inside during the process

The Tyvek doesn’t have to be 100% waterproof even though it pretty much is. A ground sheet is really to protect your tent from cuts, and abrasion. I make my own Tyvek ground sheets. They usually last years.

@wolfeadventures

8 ай бұрын

It’s slightly breathable and water resistant enough. Works great.

@neemancallender9092

8 ай бұрын

I use Tyvek from building supply stores or chains Cut them to size, hem them on a sewing machine Put in grommets or plastic grommets by the peg out points Add bungee or shock cord to the grommets I then spray against ticks White so you can spot ticks

@earthprospector

8 ай бұрын

Agree 100% with Tyvek.

@pr0n3

8 ай бұрын

I'm with ya. Tyvek and a few grommets for staking will last many years and trips.

@Im_With_Stupid

8 ай бұрын

@@twhis9843 When I make Tyvek ground sheets I leave a little tab about 1.5"x1.5" at the grommet point so I can fold it back and give the grommet a double layer of material.

4:45 The lightweight plastic material. I have used Polycryo for the last several trips and it has not failed me - keeps the entire tent much cleaner, particularly if you have to pack up a wet tent. You can buy this plastic material at most local hardware stores - the plastic window "shrink wrap" material. You do have to cut it to the size of your tent floor -- and BE CAREFUL. The cut edge must be smooth. No partial cuts or rough edges as the material will tear easily at these locations. If cut properly, this material is pretty durable and low cost as well as very lightweight. Be prepared to weigh it down with small rocks, sticks or your trekking poles when pitching in even a light breeze. Overall, your typical very thorough review. One other point about footprints - thicker material (tyvek, sil nylon, etc) can actually double as a rain fly when it isn't under the tent. For example, this can make lunch in a pouring rain much more comfortable.

@c0rnd0g_19

Ай бұрын

I have been using a Polycryo ground sheet with my tent and kept getting frustrated setting it up in windy conditions. I've since attached it to my bathtub floor, so I don't even have to think about it; when I set up my tent, it's automatically there and in the correct position!

I always use a ground sheet, always. I made two ground sheets from my old waterbed liner, and it worked great and not too heavy.

Great video, especially for those who want to get a nice tent and have it last for many years. I've been using Tyvek footprints for all of my shelters for years now. it's lightweight and inexpensive. I even use Tyvek when I'm sleeping under a tarp - it protects my sleeping pad and gives me space to store items under cover. No matter what you use, I recommend always having a groundsheet or footprint.

I usually just use one of those heavy duty space blankets as a ground sheet, because it provides some extra thermal protection along with some puncture, abrasion & damp resistance. Considering that I have an X-mid 1P these days, it seems comparatively bulky and heavy at 340g. It has some pluses though, such as a complete block out day tarp in summer, then slip it under the tent floor at night, emergency signal sheet, improve sleeping matt warmth etc.

@duvessa2003

8 ай бұрын

This seems like a good idea 😊

Luke, I agree with everything you said. I have always used a ground sheet with all my tents. Thank you for your time and reminding us the importance for using one.

After watching your reviews I improvised groundsheet for my tent and it makes a huge difference.

I use an old poncho that folds into a perfect size. It's waterproof,light and pretty tough. I would never camp without a groundsheet.

@PlayaSinNombre

8 ай бұрын

I use an 8 x 10 blue poly tarp from Walmart.

@PlayaSinNombre

8 ай бұрын

When I first got back into going out into the wild, before I could afford Walmart gear, I used a shower curtain from the dollar-&-a-quarter store…😅

@danos5181

8 ай бұрын

Same here

@micheleaday3902

8 ай бұрын

I Use A Tarp folded Bottom Of Tarp Tent It Keeps All Condensation out And Makes the Bottom of Tent Softer While sleeping in bag. I Love It. And Yes I Tried Your Poncho Method Totaly Awesome❤😂❤😂

@Longshot762x51

8 ай бұрын

I use heavy-duty tarps straight from home depot 😂

When first learning to camp was taught to always put a ground cloth under the tent after checking for obvious rocks, sticks, etc. I use a neat sheet from Costco under my tent.

@jeffclark8555

8 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same. Plastic, tarps, I’ve even used a contractor trash bag. Now it’s like they’ve reinvented and given a fancy name.

@MoonbeameSmith

8 ай бұрын

neat sheet?

@jeffclark8555

8 ай бұрын

@@MoonbeameSmith I’m so old that I grew up knowing it as just a ground cloth or ground sheet. Now “footprints” are all the rage

I use various types of groundsheet, some ultralight (polythene) and some heavy duty nylon, but I use them because I find it makes the tent floor easier to clean and keeps it slug-free.

@Im_With_Stupid

8 ай бұрын

Keeps the pine sap off, too, and that's good because pine sap can really wreck your tent floor.

Your reviews are consistently accurate and concise, Luke. Woe to those who don't follow your advice.

I bought my tunneltent in the nineties, been in a lot of "hostile" places with it. But the first thing I did when I had the tent was ordering an custom made groundsheet (brand is Hilleberg). FYI: They made a distinction between a footprint and a groundsheet! A footprint only covers the surface of the inner tent floor! A groundsheet covers the whole surface, including the "living portal". They had a footprint for my tent, but not a groundsheet so that's why I had to let it be custom made. In that time they had not one for this model. It indeed cost a lot, but I still use it up until this day! I also had Hilleberg made me a second door in it on the opposing side of the original door. This way, when the wind is changing from direction I still have a leeward side where I can (keep) open the door. Together with the groundsheet is makes sure there can accumulate less moist inside the tent.

Love your straight talking, no bullshit presentation Luke. I recently bought a Terra Nova tent. I already had the DD Hammocks Magic carpet. The XL one. 220cm x 140cm and has peg outs on each corner. £22. The Terra Nova proper footprint was £55. The Magic carpet is about 200g max and it's well made. It even gives me an odd ground floor between the fly and inner tent to put my kit off the wet ground and somewhere dry to cook. No brainer. Great video as always mate. 👍

This is a big one for me. I didn't use a ground sheet back in the day (noob) until I saw it as a hack here on the channel and ever since I tried it last year, I am never going without again. In this area its not so much sticks or anything, its the heavy dew in the mornings. So much nicer not having to wipe mud and water off the bottom of the tent and way easier to pack the tent in it's bag if you have to leave early in the morning. I get cheapo plastic from Lowe's, doesn't even weigh an ounce and only a couple bucks at a time, do like Luke said, fold it to the size needed and you are golden. Thanks Luke!

@markcummings6856

8 ай бұрын

It weighs more than an ounce. Weigh it and you will see. Another option is to slit open a larger garbage bag. Also, polycryo which is the stuff for window coverings (used for winterizing) is the latest practice in the Backpacking World.

@darkangelgaming1117

8 ай бұрын

Im talking about the super light plastic stuff kind of like trashbag plastic, not tyvek or anything. I just toss it when I am done@@markcummings6856

@kchizen100

8 ай бұрын

So mud doesn't stick to the groundsheet? You don't clean the groundsheet off if it does get muddy?

@darkangelgaming1117

8 ай бұрын

Its like $2 at Lowe's, I just toss it in the recycle bin when I am done camping because it is wet and muddy. I only get out 2-3x a year though so its not a bother for me to buy a new one each time. This is not one of the official footprints, but cheap plastic. @@kchizen100

Learned about groundsheets as a scout MANY years ago.Wouldnt leave home without it!Last year purchased Nature Hike Cloud Up 2,which comes with one,so pretty inexpensive! Thank you for your constant good camping sense,and enjoyable commentary.Very rare these days.🤠🇺🇲

Great vid and information. One thing about Tyvek is that if you run it through the laundry (by itself) a couple times (no detergent) it becomes very fabric like and it isn't loud at all anymore. The ultralight guys use this as a cheap more durable alternative to the thin plastic groundsheet since you can find it free a lot of times.

Thanks for explaining this to me Luke, we have never used one before whenever camping and I had been wondering why everyone else was using such things. It makes a lot of sense in the long run to use such things if you have them.

Good information you offer here. Thank you. I do use a ground sheet under my tents every time for all the reasons you stated. And when I’m packing up and looking at the underside of it with all the condensation, dirt clumps and scurrying bugs, I’m reminded why spending 17 seconds laying it down first was time well spent. I’m no ultralight camper, so I choose to use an emergency space blanket under my shelters. It’s stout, multi purpose, and the perfect size for me. To your point, I find the extra bit of width creates a convenient kneeling area outside the door. And I can stack spare firewood on on the opposite side, keeping it handy and dry. I have only purchased one footprint marketed for a specific tent. It’s the OneTigris footprint meant to be pared with the Backwoods Bungalow or Outback Retreat (which I have). I believe it cost less than $35 on Amazon. But I’ve never actually used that as a ground sheet. I prefer instead to carry it as a compact, lightweight tarp. And have used it many times as a vestibule type wall to block sun, wind and add additional privacy for my set up. Thanks again for putting this helpful information out there.

When I camped in WI state parks I always used a blue tarp underneath my tent. I put another tarp and a king comforter on the floor inside my tent. Then a 12’x24’ over my tent. A double high queen size bed, a chair with a side table and a porta-potty was placed inside. I was always comfy and dry as a bone. The tent I used was a Coleman instant tent. Did this for many years with my standard poodle. Now I have a Flagstaff A-Frame camper, but I still LOVE tent camping.

I've used a ground tarp for years. Really helps alot. I always enjoy all your videos Luke. I've gotten alot of information from your videos. Keep up the good work.

@earlgrey691

8 ай бұрын

I tend to use a cheap builders tarp with pegs pushed down into them (tight to the ground) plus a secondary one tucked internally.Keeps those invertebrates at bay and Lyme disease agents that might be lurking.Hike camping isn't my bag tbh.I'd be happy with a pack-horse-arrangement for this type of camping though.Strictly bushcraft for this cat.

Hi Luke, I use a ground sheet on my tents all the time, any type of ground sheet is better than nothing, That was a great video I try telling people all the time that I camp with to use a ground sheet and they will be glad they did, but they usually don't think they need one or they forgot to bring on. I have a ground sheet packed up with every tent I own just so I don't forget to bring one. Thanks Luke.

Tysm for the information I'll be using a ground sheet with my tent from now on. Very interesting and informative video. SaH to you all stay safe

Super important backpacking in the late fall/winter,only time i go have snow peak ground sheet it is fantastic with hilleberg tent ,,,

Great video Luke! I always use a ground sheet. I typically buy the one designed for that tent because they usually have gromets in the proper place. I know I could save money but to me it's not worth the time and effort. Either way defiantly use a groundsheet!

Totally agree about using a ground sheet to prptect the tent, or in my case a biwi but i personally prefer ones that are not waterproof. In the mountains the selection of suitable sleeping places can be limited and there are very few things worse than having to set up in a dip and having your groundsheet become a swimming pool for your shelter.

Thank you Luke, I had no idea about these. Will be getting a ground sheet here pretty soon now.

@TheOutdoorGearReview I'd love to see you do a video on how you pack your tent and equipment up in the rain (specifically) or snow. How to keep from carrying a bunch of water with you, getting everything else in your pack soaked and what to do after you're back home, or where ever, to rehab the tent/ground sheet/gear for storage/next adventure preparation.

I use a harbor freight plastic tarp. Their smallest size is perfect for a two person dome tent. The extra material is just right to go under the vestibule as an area to remove shoes before entering.

My camping trip from last week, I just used a 6'x8' tarp. I've used tarps for most of my life when camping. No issues.

I always use a Ground Sheet, learned that back 45 yrs. ago when I started Back Packing, to Me it is a Must.

I use Tyvek and cut custom-sized sheets specific to each of my tents. During a backcountry excursion in Alaska, we were able to repair a busted opening on our rental truck using duct tape and pieces from a spare Tyvek sheet I had in my backpack.

I’m a tarp and hammock guy , or tarp only guy. I carry a polish poncho/ half shelter as well because its also a poncho - but thats great advice for tent folk. Thanks

I’ve been camping since I was a kid and was just taught to use 6mm plastic as a ground sheet under my tent, I never really thought about it much, it was just how my parents taught me to set up my tent, I have three mid grade tents and a snugpak and they are all in perfect condition and I use them a lot and so far no problems with anything, so I will keep using 6mm plastic, my parents used blue Walmart tarps under tent but the plastic they taught me to use works just fine and is 40 a roll but is enough to pitch all three tents with left overs that can be used for multiple applications such as the wall you mentioned

I never knew anything about a ground sheet. We have always used a thick heavy tarp to be clean and warm and to protect the tent..God Bless..we never thought about weight just always brought it.

Great advice luke 👍 I always use a groundsheet, even if it's a cheap 6x4 tarp! 😊

I’m not a ground camper as I like sleeping in a hammock. I like the idea of ground sheets especially water resistant ones as a means to keep the area under the hammock dry after erecting cover to protect you from the elements. All thanks to you I know what not to buy and what to buy. As I live in Japan most of my gear is for emergency shelter dooms day prepping situations.

Great advice to prolong a tent’s life. 👍

Very good review bud,it makes good sense👍

Thanks Luke, this was really interesting to me.

I always use the ground sheet that came with the tent (MSR Elixer). Ground sheet allows me to set up the tent in the rain while keeping the tent body dry.

Great advice. Thank you.

I've had a tyvek ground sheet for well over a decade now, I used the old washer and dryer trick to soften and quiet it down.

One extra reason (depending on the design of the tent,for instance the Naturehike Mongar) can be that it makes it possible to set up a rain-protection layer (ground sheet + rain fly) first and hang your inner tent in a nice and dry environment. This saved my stuff from getting drenched when we arrived at the campsite in some of the worst weather I ever camped in. After the rain cover was set up I could simply wipe the groundsheet dry and comfortably sleep in a nice dry sleeping bag (actually I use an Ice Flame quilt but hey).

Expertise & no BS, that's why I've watched your videos for the past 10 years, Luke!. Strength and honor!

Thank you for the video! ❤

Hi Luke!: Thanks for the informative video on footprints! Learned a lot! Makes LOTS of sense to use one! I hope everyone listens!

I have the ground sheet for the big Agnes and it lets you use the rain fly as a shelter with it and you can dump the tent itself. It’s a neat party trick

Great advice from a true pro!

I always do, for all the reasons you stated, it makes sense to do so.

Thank you so much Luke.. I have to have a ground sheet. 👍👍👍

Only a newby would set a tent up on top of broken glass or sharp sticks. I do agree a ground sheet can help with hidden things and protect against abrasion.

I've always used poly. It can be custom cut to not only fit the tent floor but include the vestibule as well.

I enjoyed this video. This host is great. I learn a lot.

I love Tyvek for a ground sheet. Put it through a wash cycle first to keep the noise down. Super light and packs down small.

Enjoyed. Thank you for the video

My primary tent is DCF and so is my ground sheet. I have always paid up and purchased the ground sheet that is made for the tent. I am sure other options would work fine. UL is very important to me so that is why I use DCF.

Thanks, that's a great idea.

I've read most of the replies B4 composing the following: I use a footprint designed/manufactured by Hilleberg for my Enan for all the reasons you mentioned + the 70D ground side material of the footprint & the tent floor is more protection than I'll ever need for my XTherm air mattress that I don't want punctured. I pitch the tent/fly/footprint all at the same time. The footprint covers the shape of the tent floor + it covers the vestibule ground. Yes, $60.00 is a princely sum to pay, however, 30 years from now the tent floor exterior of my Enan will still be like new. My Boy Scout weekend overnight monthly camping was under a GI Surplus Pup Tent. There was no such thing as a tent floor sewn in with the GI Surplus Pup Tent. I never was warm the next morning inside my sleeping bag even with a groundsheet. Back in those days 70 years ago there was no such thing as an inflatable air mattress. Finally along came those dense rubber roll up backpackers pads which were an improvement in insulating the camper from cold ground & GROUND IS ALWAYS COLD. Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada

Excellent post. Appreciate you taking the time to explain :)> Keep up the good work and reviews.

For 20 some years my wife and I ran a wilderness travel company calledAdventures Unlimited. We ran kayak, canoe, bike and backpack trips. We never provided a footprint with our tents. We never had a problem with punched holes in the tent floors. Several weeks ago, I found a 1982 two person. North Face tents on a back shelf with my outdoor equipment. I figured it was most likely worn out, but before throwing it out I set it up and left it sit through a wind and rainstorm. survived years and no leaks. But I see no reason not to use a footprint.

I use a piece of Tyvek cut just smaller than the floor of my Tarptent Double Rainbow Li. Keeps the bottom of the tent clean. Fold the groundsheet dirty side into itself so it doesn't get the inside of my backpack crusty.

The Savotta FDF mat is a great piece of kit for this , put your hooped bivy or small tent (i.e.Ionosphere ) on top 😉

I use a small tarp which can have multiple usages if needed.

I whole heartedly agree that a foot print should always be a part of anyone's gear. I prefer hammock camping over tent camping & use a foot print to organize my hammock gear as I'm prepping to hang it. Afterwards it remains under the hammock to be utilized as a clean place to place some other gear & my feet as I exit/enter my hammock. After some time I quit buying & save kinda worn bed sheets, coat them in boiled linseed oil, pretty heavily, attach gromets & pack them up to be used as ground cloths or rainflies. Great video Luke! Very informative in detail! Love what ya do brother! Stay safe, God bless, strength & honor! 👍 👍

@kchizen100

8 ай бұрын

So you bring stakes with you hammock setup? Isn't not needing stakes one of the advantages of using a hammock?

@NavigatingwithNafe

8 ай бұрын

Nah, I rarely ever use them. I mostly cut down some sticks to about stake size, or some good sized rocks, or even large logs that have either been broken or cut down, depending on where I'm at.

I use poly tarps as ground sheet a foot larger than tent & tuck under when they get holes or wear I use as covers for equipment around the farm

It Is Very Wise To Use A Ground Sheet Or Use Another tarp Folded Under Tent Floor And A Poncho is Also Great Idea

Had to view this 2 times. First time I notices all the flyes around your head and could for the life of me not stop laughing. Just hillarious. Thank you Luke for this video and info on the groundcovers.

I made one from Tyvek. I set up in town often where there might be glass, I also have a beach mat on top.

Great idea!

If you wash & dry your tyvek, it won't be loud. Some people say not to put it in the dryer but I think it comes softer when machined dried. It also makes it easier to fold. Fyi, printed side should be facing down when using.

I have a ground sheet for my tent and I didn't use it when I set my tent up in my yard for the first time since it was in an area that didn't have any trees or anything else around the area, but I wanted to measure the tent to get the right size foot print for the tent, because the ground sheet I have is really large and I would have to tuck it in if I use it and the tent I have is a bell tent and I needed an octagon ground sheet and the weight doesn't matter to me since I truck camp and not hiking.

Yup a ground sheet is essential I also use them if Im just tarp camping

Hello from Vorarlberg 🇦🇹 This is actually a very useful video 🤔 I'm thinking of using a ground sheet when I next go sleeping outside just because of the dirt😅 Kind regards Leopold 🤗

I wavered many times on the use of a foot print or not. I have determined to not use one. I have seen and had a foot print backfire pooling water. We are adults and careful in the use of our tents. I've had and still have tents that are 15 to 20 years old. The failures of the floors I have experienced are due to age(20 years) not typical wear or abuse. We also use thermo rests. This is key and minimizes the floor wear and grind it goes through. Our packs are outside under the vestibules again minimizing the wear. I think how people use tents is a factor and every application is different. I've had guys say flat out get one or your crazy not to use one. Not my experience. I've been camping to 50+ years and have done many setups and situations. Thanks for the reviews we enjoy your videos. Just got back from the BWCA in MN. I recommend it.

On the more durable ones, I would think they can also help in frigid temps if your sleep system is lagging....concede the fact your tent will be touching the ground, yank it out from underneath and fold it as many times as possible to the width of your sleeping pad and put it underneath, bring the R-value up a bit. I've never had to try it, but in theory it should help some.

I never worry about weight . I carry an extreme duty Tarp for a ground sheet for the extra protection. Dwayne

I always use a ground sheet under my tent but I have a friend who never does I keep telling him how important it is but he just shrugs me off .so I told him to watch this video hopefully you can change his mind great video luke......🤪

In Germany we use the "Elefantenhaut" (Elephant Skin from Bundeswehr). Light Weight and extremly durable. 😊

A heavy shower curtain works for a cheap ground cloth. You can pick one up at any dollar store and it will fit most 2 person tents and some 3 person tents,

On board . Thank you

I usually buy a common landscaping tarp at Walmart, then cut it according to the shape of my tent. Works great. I’ve even seen them cheaper at the dollar store, but I’m guessing they are also a lighter guage.

Ground sheets under the tent are a major plus for wear and tear. However, to keep the inside of my tent dry, I put a cut to fit (bathtub style) tarp on the inside.

@robertknowles2699

8 ай бұрын

I suppose three lightweight tarps, unsure of Tyvek, - under, over, and as you say, inside, even if not exact fit should help. Thanks for the tip !

Hmmmm,I think a paint sheet may even work in a pinch. Thanks for the great info Luke.

I have always used a ground sheet even as a noob and was never more grateful when I pitched my tent in a field and then wandered off to hang with friends. It rained. I went back to my tent and to my horror, an underground spring surfaced right under my tent! My little tent was dancing happily upon the spring, I shone my flashlight inside and everything was dry. I of course had to bunk with someone else but I hate to think what would have happened without that ground cloth.

Actually a lot of pros DON'T use them because they aren't really needed. One example - Dan Durston, the creator of the very popular X-Mid tents. That said, you did make some good points so I guess it's worth having.

@StephenMcGregor1986

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I consider pro's needing the least amount of equipment, certainly not reliance on even more things.

@CombatBanana

8 ай бұрын

@@StephenMcGregor1986 Yeah so like if you're casual backpacking then you might as well bring a plastic footprint for the reasons he gave but if you're trying to come in first in a backpacking race and want every advantage you can get or you're trying to set a time record on a trail then you might as well leave it behind.

Heard about u from ab camping Tony and Bruno. Just subscribed think u and Susie are bit of goobers but love the info and yall make me laugh ❤from Michigan

I use my Sea to Summit 70d nylon poncho. Works great

We never did that I ever remembered. But I think we just never thought about it. Didn't know that the floors had a waterproof coating and I guess we never thought of the possibility of condensation. We usually only camped during summer. But after pointing out the condensation and coating parts i think I might know what happened to our dome tent years ago. One morning at home i woke up and there was a bunch of water in the corner. And if i remember right it didn't really storm that night if only a little. We had used it 2 or 3 years probably without issues and had seam sealed it the first year we got it. But I bet that's probably what had happened to it. I haven't been camping in probably 10+ years now. I miss it. And if we ever go again i'll know there is more to it than just extra protection and keeping it clean. Also I never heard of or knew anyone that ever talked about ground sheets back then either.

Last time I was out I noticed a small hole in my ground sheet and immediately thought to myself "I am glad I actually use a ground sheet and this hole is not on my tent floor!"

That's good advice...

I used a Polycro ground sheet for 7 years before it finally kicked the bucket when I was trying to set up camp and 40 mph winds in the Gobi wiped it so hard it tore to pieces. I then just used my tent as is for the next 2 months without issue or breakage. I also use an REI Bivy without a groundsheet because it's so cheap(Less than $150) that I figure that I'll just buy another when it rips, but I have had the need in the 3 years of use I've put on it. I'm now looking to replace my 8 year old MSR Hubba Hubba and am considering what groundsheet I should use. Maybe I'll try Tyrek..

Spot on

Thank you for the explanation of th footprint tarp, for under the tent. Silly question, whenever you get to this comment, what size, in inches, is your '’garbage’‘ ziptop bags? I just got a box of, 100, 2 gallon ziptop baggies, 13’‘x15’'. Is that what you use? I am thinking of using them for my trash bag, at work mainly. Love all of your videos, always.

Nice! I just produced a video on tent care. I explained the importance of a footprint, though you did it better. Being a pro, I agree, and advise the use of one.

Yup, I too always use a groundsheet/footprint with my tent. In my case one made for the tent and it only cost $20. Here's a tip for the Tyvek users. Tyvek can be quieted down by machine washing your Tyvek and tumble drying on cold.