3 Season use is just that, 3 seasons not just the hot summer. In the UK and Europe a non-full mesh tent is almost essential in spring and autumn still. So while I agree the full fabric inner is not useable in summer, tents that have half and half are needed in a lot of countries most of the year.

@easternmenace

10 ай бұрын

Yeah the yellow tent would probably be fine in all but the hottest days here in UK and even then in Scotland it might be fine even on the hot days.

@alisonb4898

10 ай бұрын

So true here in the uk you can have heat, rain and frost all in the same day. I’d rather be a little bit hot than too cold to sleep and it’s not practical to carry two tents about.

@dorislyons6223

10 ай бұрын

Yep MSR had to reduce the mesh when they first came into the UK with the Hubba(s) range.

@Mal3ficarum

10 ай бұрын

@@dorislyons6223 Sierra Designs did the same with the introduction of their '3000' line of tents.

@couchcamperTM

10 ай бұрын

that's true but Luke is an American which means he doesn't have to know anything. US tents are very different, they are all made for weather where you actually don't need a tent at all. But how could he know? I would always go for a 3 season (World, not just USA) tent and add some reflective foil in winter. It took me years and 100s of bucks to learn it.

Especially so for parts of Australia. I’ve set up a tent at night, and woken up in the morning, sun on tent, gasping for air! You feel like you’ve been a frog in a pot of water on the stove, unknowingly being slowly cooked. Versatility in tents helps, knowing where your going and weather predicted helps, and being able to adapt is a must.

@RichardEnglander

4 ай бұрын

If it is warm out a tarp is better, I know exactly what you mean about waking up in hot sweaty mess... If there are trees then hammock for the win.

Thanks for your "NO B.S" candor/honesty when it comes to these products, Luke. Strength and honor!

Luke I think the country or area you are using them in makes a difference about what is a 3 season tent. In UK what you call a 3 season tent is really only a 1 season I.e. summer tent. Huge mesh areas mean you get cold quick in a breeze in spring or autumn. I take your point that knowledge is power but you can’t simply call a tent an X season tent really

@jamesellsworth9673

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate your viewpoint. We spent a bit of time and money chasing the right balance for our needs in the Northeastern United States. We looked to mesh for insect protection. Ventilation was almost secondary. Later in the season, we depended on the insulation in our sleeping bags and pads for comfort.

@katherinelangford981

10 ай бұрын

Canada too. By end of August we can have 4C nights and that can get cold. I have an MSR Elxir 2, it's about half mesh half fabric and I still can get cold then in technically still summer time. I bring the long John's, winter bag, and 2 mattresses one closed cell and one inflatable with an R4.4. 8:13

@HKFromAbove

10 ай бұрын

Yes same experience in NZ.

@ajolillen

10 ай бұрын

I'm in Sweden, and this idea that a four season tent is a "fourth season tent" is entirely alien to me as well. That mindset, at least such a black and white version of it, would not work here. As Luke himself says, it could even be dangerous.

@chrisrobillard7515

10 ай бұрын

In Canada we just take the fly off during our 1 warm week

So perfect that you uploaded this today! Because today as I cleaned and prepped my first ever bought tent for resale, it just came to me, it’s not mesh! I’ve known this the whole time but never really realized it. It was always bad with condensation and I blamed it on the weak and small ventilation. But today it totally dawned on me.

I used to camp a lot when I was younger. In fact, my first wife enjoyed it as much as I did. My second wife thought roughing it was Motel 6. But in central Oklahoma where I am from, we can have subzero wind chill in the winter, 100°+ in the summer, and in between we can have all 4 seasons in the same week at any time. It makes it almost impossible to only have 1 tent.

For tent camping, my vote for the season to avoid the most.... is Summer. I can not sleep in 88 degrees. I guess I am too old to get there, but I ain't doing it. If it is pretty cold outside, you can seal off a tent and if you have an air mattress, you will normally be OKAY. But if you are camping in Summer, and crawl in a tent when it is still hot at night? That is a prescription for MISERY.

@Im_With_Stupid

10 ай бұрын

I'm with you on this. I don't backpack at all in the summer or even very late spring or very early fall. I will backpack right through winter, though, because you can always get warm, but there's nothing you can do about the heat... except sweat.

@jhaas68865

10 ай бұрын

Been to week long summer scout camps the last three years. First year hot as hades in the canvas tents. Sucked. Second head temp dropped enough at night to be ok. Third one it actually got somewhat chilly on one night. That was the best night sleep out of all of them.

@danielmeans9539

10 ай бұрын

Agreed I live in Missouri and it's been over 100° this week! I've been camping on my couch in the AC haha! I really only camp in the Fall months anyways.

@Xeno-M.

10 ай бұрын

I can’t blame you if you can’t take the heat. Try lugging an 80’s external frame pack with all the gear they had back then (about 65 lbs worth) for a three day trip at the end of June !! I will Never do that again !!

@TannerSwizel

10 ай бұрын

I've done a few July 4th tent camps, and two of them happened to have nights that never got below 94 and 92 respectively. Absolutely sucked! I took the rainfly off and slept naked on top of my bag hoping the RVers wouldn't look to close through my whole mesh tent 😓

I was watching a British KZreadr doing some water craft camping, some of the people with him had tents with lots of mesh. He described them as "American style tents", and that rung true. I've used Hilleberg and Terra Nova four season tents in all four seasons in British mountains and never been too hot. Although climate is changing, so that may not be a forever thing. You just have to take your local conditions in to account too. I've recently bought my first three season tent, now that I live in the USA.

@barryfletcher7136

10 ай бұрын

The climate is changing only in the delusional minds of the leftists.

@barryfletcher7136

10 ай бұрын

@@Dp1v You are correct that NO climate change is happening.

This is one of the important videos for me in learning vicariously about having mesh all-around for camping in warmer months, and the mesh versus fabric and what capabilities they have. Thank you for your time and efforts in creating and posting this video.

I am glad I have listened to you from before. We bought two nature hike mongars for our family and it is totally worth it! In the heat and in winter time here in Texas. We have found out ourselves. We set our tent out at 105 degrees at the lake had great airflow. But when it was 28 degrees in the mountains the tent was warm! I slept outside my sleeping bag! Very happy with my purchase and it has a ground cover!!! Best purchase ever!!! You are awesome!

Thanks to your previous reviews I ordered a, TETON Sports Mountain Ultra Tents - 3 Person Backpacking Tent & the MU 3 footprint Waterproof tarp. To take in my Motorcycle trailer when camping.

Best explanation I’ve heard of the different season tents! Thanks for making this episode. It has helped me understand what I need to look for in a tent, because I am a fair weather type camper.

On point Luke. The one thing I see more of, are the big backpacking channels using 3 season tents in the winter. Then they do a gear review and wonder why they slept cold, with quality pads and sleeping bags. I dont quite understand it and it’s bad info for the newb.

I don't tent camp in winter, so I went with as much mesh in a tent I could find, with a removable shell too. Had mine for 2+ years now and am quite happy with it. I do carry a Aqua Defender tarp though, so I can make it quite comfortable in most weather.

Thanks Luke. These reviews really help. I purchased a tent having no idea what to look for. It had a lot of fabric on the inner and it was stifling hot! Now I know what to look for. Blessings to you.

Great video. I finally bought a "4th season" tent last year. It was cheap on Amazon but with the double fabric wall and flaps that extend to the ground it really does make a difference. Even closed up it has a bit of mesh at the bottom and top to circulate some air and avoid condensation. It actually seems to work. For warm weather give me a tent with plenty of mesh though.

I remember the days of cotton canvass tent camping, interesting times. With the choices today, a person can have a tent for every season. Thanks Luke👍👍

@jeffccr3620

10 ай бұрын

The good Ole pup tents

@bernielamont825

10 ай бұрын

So do I, BSA, They had built in alarm clocks (sunup) LOL

@HubertDuijzer

10 ай бұрын

Apart from being heavy and not that waterproof, i find them pretty comfortable in summer. Dark and cool.

@kmbbmj5857

10 ай бұрын

@@bernielamont825 That, and the Scoutmaster trying to sing his get up song. Anyone within a hundred yard radius would get up just to make him stop.:)

Yup: there are nuances. In the New England States, where I did most of my camping, a three-season tent would work for all but the warmest times. Stability and condensation were among the most important issues to manage. My lesson here was how to look at fabrics in terms of breathability.

Excellent informative video! Thank you !!! I went with the Lone Rider ADV Tent for my motorcycle trips. Pricey, however now I understand even better as to why.

I always want to get a good look at the tent inner to see what it's made of. Many hours watching gear videos...love it! Cheers Luke!

You're speaking of the seasons you have in North Carolina but that's very different from the seasons I have in Northern Ontario. I can't justify buying a mesh tent because it's only useful for July and part of June and August. It gets cold at nights where you don't want one of those tents. I camp below rapids which create 100% RH condensing at night when the air temperature drops. That cloud will go right up under your fly and leave everything in your tent saturated. Then you're in big trouble if you're on a week long canoe trip. I also camp in September where it can dip below freezing at night and I've seen 5ºC at night in mid to late August. You need to pick your gear based on climate, location, use, trip duration, distance from help, among others. What I'd take car camping is not what I'd take in a backpack or canoe trip and I have very different tents and sleep systems for these very different activities.

Thank you for the teaching episodes. I enjoy them a lot and they bring a lot of value to me.

This was great for those who didn't know! Well done Luke!

Thanks for the reviews , points make sence to me are the rain and wind proof .

There's a bit of over-generalization going on here. We spent a week camping in Death Valley National Park at the end of January 2020, including 4 days/3 nights backpacking the Cottonwood Canyon/Marble Canyon loop. Technically, we should have been using a traditional 3-season tent like the BA Copper Spur with a 100% mesh interior. I'm glad instead that we had our TarpTent Stratospire 2 with 1/2 solid inner. There is a LOT of fine sand that gets blown around when you're camping in the desert. If you don't have a partial solid inner, that sand will get everywhere, just like spindrift can get blown into your tent in the winter. A partial-solid inner can really improve things when there's blown desert sand to contend with. Even with our partial-solid inner on our TarpTent, we ended up having zipper issues on the inner doors. That fine sand gets into zippers and can really do a number on them.

@roughas100

3 ай бұрын

It's amazing how wind blown sand gets through fine mesh , not very nice ...... Just on the BA Copper spur , the 1 person model I bought last year is roughly 65% mesh , 35% breathable nylon , definitely not 100% mesh , also the coated nylon bathtub floor goes up a few inches to protect from drip splashing. Haven't used the copper spur in windy conditions yet , but for the mainly warm/ hot conditions I'll be using it in i would have prefered more mesh and less " breathable " nylon .

Good time to be covering this with massive heat waves going through the country.

I watch a lot of your videos and I get a lot of Expert advice on how you do things because you've done it for a long time. I really appreciate this video because I did not know the difference and now I do thank you so much

Thanks for a valuable video. Didn’t know that difference. I’ve been using 4-season tents in summer, but that has been high up in the mountains, when it’s cold in the night and I really need the warmth it provides. For more lowlands, I will now probably buy an additional mesh inner tent to switch into.

Thank you, Luke, for your honest, real-hearted videos. ❤ Hoping for a big success for your channel. Keep up the good work!😀

LOL, I needed this video 3 summers ago...I bought a tent designed for colder weather (only about 1/3 mesh), I love it in the fall.....tough to put that rain cover on in the summertime....whew!

Felt the main point mesh vs fabric is primary concern for a summer tent. However, other features would have been good to also discuss: 2 doors, roof vents, etc.

Big fan of your channel. Love this kind of educational videos. Knowledge probably hard won but freely shared. Thanks ❤

Great video. Really like these kind of tips.

Absolutely Awesome Information and on point. Thanks

“Stuff” and what to buy, particularly tents can be a minefield. I just went Hilleberg straight off the bat. I had to save for the tents I have admittedly, but it has ultimately been worth it 👊👊👊💥💥💥👊👊👊

Wish I knew this 4 years ago, bought a rather pricy tent that was a 3 season tent according to the sales man....2 wall tent with ventilation holes. Not anymore, now I have a new one with inner tent of mesh. Great guide !

Some extra knowledge I did no know, thankyou.👍😉

Thank you so much for this wonderful video, you are awesome and amazing 👏.

I think that the idea of a mesh walled, three season tent seems to be a relatively recent thing. People who didn't grow up with them may not even know they exist. When I started as a scout, we still carried those canvas pup tents on our backs. Heavy, hot, and cramped. Sure, there was ripstop tents with flys available, but no one could afford them. I remember when I first saw the Eureka tents, what a step up. In fact my son's troop was still using old Eureka tents in the 2010s when he joined. I think he was one of the first in the troop to have a mesh 3 season tent. Several of us adults began a drive to buy 3 season tents for the troop and save the Eureka's for winter camping.

Thank you! Now I know that the tent was the reason. This is why I hate camping in the warmer months.

Thanks again! I Very much appreciate your guides!

Mesh Caveat!! They suck in dust storms! Wind blown dust will penetrate through the mesh and cover all your stuff. If you camp in the desert (or in volcanic areas) even light winds can carry dust along the ground (easy not to notice when standing up). When the mesh walls go all the way down to the bathtub floor the dust will blow under the rain fly, through the mesh and right into the tent. In such cases a fabric walled tent can help a lot; until it gets sunny and turns into and oven. I find tents that have fabric walls at least half way up and mesh uppers to be a good middle ground, but I’m out West and don’t generally camp in humid places. Love to hear more about how your local weather and environment affect your tent performance.

Hi, greetins from Mexico. This was a real great tent information. Thanks a lot, Luke.

I have that exact Big Agnes tent (Happy Hooligan) - it's great for 3-season camping (here in the US at least). It has good ventilation and well built.

That’s why I got the Litefighter… I can use it year round! And I love it!

@Xeno-M.

10 ай бұрын

Plus one on that tent !! I have one and want another for emergencies. Somewhat heavy but Bombproof w/ the aluminum poles and ground breaking w/ the winter conversion kit !!!

Thanks for the advice. I would not have known to check for mesh vs fabric.

@CountrysideMan15

10 ай бұрын

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This past week reminded me of this recently posted video. I was camping while working out of town. My only tent of size is a Teton Mountain Ultra 3. Plenty of room for me and a comfortable week's worth of things. It's a 3 season tent. I experienced a few 34 f degree mornings along with 2 strong rain storms! The tent was folded down during the night by the winds lol! Rain was coming in under the rain fly at times too. My jacket and some clothes was the sponge! Not by choice but convenient. Luckily I staked it very well because of the forecasted weather. Definitely a great experience pushing gear limits! The tent and poles did hold up though. This was the first night of weather. On the second night I took the time to open up my truck roof top tent. Winds and rain were even better. Hammered the Tepui rtt for 3 hours straight. I think the Teton ground tent would not of held together the second night and soaked me. Or the inch of water running through camp could have found its way in. Thanks Luke for putting out solid info!

Great advice Luke. I’ve been very happy with my 3 season Big Agnes Copper Spur 2 person tent. It has great ventilation, 2 vestibules, and two side entrances. I also appreciate that it is a double wall tent. It is worth the price for a nylon tent.

Tysm for this IMPORTANT information!! 👍 😃

Awesome video again Luke. Very sound advice! Thanks for sharing. All the best my friend 🙂👍

I just bought an ICS for winter, I'll use my tarp the rest of the time

Thanks for the high-level information bro

This is possibly the most valuable video I've ever seen you do. I really didn't know any of this. Thank you. Strength and honor back to you ✊️

I have two tents. First was a 4 person Ozark trail from wal mart and second a 3 person Coleman. Since I am camping with cub scouts they both work for the correct season. Summer that giant open mesh of the ozark is great and can stand up in it. When it gets colder three of us in the Coleman stay nice and warm. Now my boys just want to hammock camp.

Thank you! Would you consider doing a video on selecting tents, and securing them, for high winds/rain? I bought a non-dome tent that got crushed in 45 mph gusts and appreciate any perspective you have on tent camping in high wind situations.

Very informative, cheers 👍🏼

Very informative. Thanks.

Thank You Luke Very Informative ❤I Love Watching your Channel Please Dont Leave KZread You And Suzie Bring So Much Joy For Me To Watch❤❤❤

All this is good advice if you're camping at 4-5,000 feet, where heat and humidity are a big concern. But if I had to pick which tent I'd take up to 10,000 or 11,000 feet, I'd go with the solid fabric one. Just as an example, the top of Berthoud Pass can easily drop below freezing in the middle of July, and rainstorms turning to snow overnight are not uncommon up there.

That was very informative.

What you call a 4th season tent is what I call a 3 season tent, spring, fall, and winter. I don’t camp in the summer unless I know it will be in the low 60’s at night.

Great information. Thanks for sharing.

Thank you Luke😺

Thanks for the info Luke.

Arrgghhh. The first camping tent I bought last year is definitely not meant for 3 season use, very little mesh. I've since purchased one that is all mesh and the rainfly to use in summer. Wish I'd found videos like this in 2022, but I'm educated now. Thanks Luke!

Hi Luke always very good information , what would you recommand for a 3 to 4 pers tent , 3 and 4 season , for 5c to -10c or more cold and some snow thx

Learned something today :) thank you!

Great info thank you

From what I was taught and understand. a 3 SEASON tent does Not necessarily have anything to do with temperature or venting or being cooler for summer. Although a tent made with mostly/ or a lot of mesh ventilation will "Only be a 3 Season tent." Because it is "not as structurally sound". A "3 season tent" may have good ventilation or not. A 3 season tent is "does not have to be that sturdy." It will generally be made of "lighter weight/not as strong of cloth/materials. The poles for it may be Thinner and Weaker, There also may not be much in the way /amount of tent poles. A FOUR SEASON TENT probably "CANT have to much venting/mesh/weak cloth." (And you don't need much in the winter.) It will be designed to handle more weight/SNOW and wind/storms. A 3 season tent will not be as strong, (and hopefully better vented and LIGHTER WEIGHT than a 4 season tent). Which is great if you don't camp in hard core storms/snow storms. A 4 SEASON TENT should be able to stand up and hold the weight of some snow on it. a 3 Season Tent will Not. I AM STILL PRETTY SURE that the quality of venting/"coolness of the tent" is NOT WHAT MAKES A TENT a 3 season tent. It is the seasons that it is capable of standing up to. A 3 season tent will not stand up to being snowed on, it will "collapse" and maybe quite possibly break the tent poles, maybe even tear seams and cloth. a 4 SEASON TENT is supposed to be able to stand up to getting snowed on or get caught in "WINDY blizzardy condition (Within reason.) A 3 season tent Will NOT. That is the difference between 3 season and 4 season tents. The fac that the 3 season tent does Not have to stand up to the WEIGHT OF SNOW or EXTREMELY Windy conditions is what makes it a 3 season tent. Not how good or how much ventilation/screen cloth that it has. BUT NOT having to be "as structurally sound" gives them the ability to make them lighter weight, "cheaper" and with better /more ventilation. Of course of once you put the rainfly on your are NOTICEABLY REDUCING its ability to 'breath/vent". Never use the rainfly if you don't need it. Oh and Always Make sure that your tent has "NO SEE UM" screen and NOT just Mosquito screening. Most/many? theses day will have "NO SEE UM" mesh. but make sure. "NO SEE UM's" are nasty more painful biting bugs, and they are small enough to go through Mosquito netting/screening.

Great video as always, informative and educational. I learned a lot from your videos and I got myself a tent from a company called Grand Canyon. The tent in question is Grand Canyon cardova 1 and I am really happy with it so far. I believe the company is from Germany (not sure) and they are not well known but they seem to have good quality products for very good prices. I would love it if you made a review of one of their products because they are pretty affordable and seem to be of decent quality.

Very educational - sharing the FACTS

Great video! Thanks

Thanks Luke for your content on tents. I got a hilleberg 4 season tent and I thought you could use it for all 4 season I was wrong. They get so hot you can’t be in them AT ALL when it gets hot. And I made another mistake and had my tent up for 6 months in the direct sun and it dried out the outer shell. My tent ripped so bad I lost 2,000 on that tent.

@righteousred723

10 ай бұрын

Linen tarp has been calling my name just foe the durability

Great episod !! There is so many different materials to keep track of

I own a summer tent only.. lots of mesh, strong rainfly for those south eastern USA thunder storms... I'd take this as a "one tent" over any 4th season tent, with my sleep system, [got a few depending on hot/cold/snow] that's what keeps me warm. Plus having a lighter tent, allows me to reinforce the floor, so I can run my UL cot without tearing holes in the floor, and can't live without my UL cot system, camp off a motorcycle, so weight isn't a huge deal.. but its nice to keep things COMPACT. instead. I actually am looking for a replacement tent, but I'm going back to a Bivy, just need something slightly taller so I fit with my cot.... LOL LOVE THIS THING.

Ty Luke!! Love your content you are so much help ! Glad your eyes and ears and mind are looking out for all of us!!

a tip a local homeless person gave me, for that fourth season (winter) you can always combine certain sleeping systems. eg: bivy bag set up within a one person "3 season" tent, with both a footprint and an overhead tarp, slung low, the edges preferably touching the ground.

Thanks Luke

Yes great points, It does however depends on the climate. In NZ we tend to avoid mesh tents as they are too cold in most of year. Yes I mad the mistake of purchasing a tent based on my NZ experience. In places that tend to have hot summers above 24deg cel then maybe more mesh. Great explaining!

This is the kind of video that helps people who are new to the outdoors lifestyle. I've preached this same thing myself (without producing a video). I should have started my own channel years ago. lol This is a valuable service to the "newbs", no doubt.

coming from singapore, it doesn't matter if its fabric or mesh around the year; so long as there is an inner, it'll be a sauna in any tent.. for me, i either use my naturehike knight3 w/o its inner, or teton vista1 wif 3x3 lean-to wif lip combo.. 🤣😅😝

Thanks Arnold..! 😁

Luke you always do awesome review every time in your videos thank you for sharing this with me my friend

@CountrysideMan15

10 ай бұрын

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To add to that, pay attention to how tall the fabric walls are. This restricts airflow, and companies like Big Agnes are not immune to this design "feature". To give an example, the Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2...super light weight, well that's because some of the weight cuts came at the expense of mesh. The fabric walls are around 40% of the ceiling height which limits the amount of air able to pass through. Compared to the BA Fly Ceek HV UL2 Solution-Dyed...it literally just has a bath tub of floor material that transitions to 100% mesh. It is possible to work around this buy adjusting the guy-outs to promote more airflow, and air flow is the enemy of condensation, but that's just an example of two models even w/ the same brand and their design choices.

Great bideo, cheers, keep up the good work and well done

I wonder how many other British people when he said there’s a time & a place for 4th season tents, were saying, “most of the time here” 😂😂😂

@CountrysideMan15

10 ай бұрын

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Thanks Luke.

Great video ❤

I see where you’re coming from. Literally. I would suggest to add some differentiation about the region you’re talking about. Having just completed the Cape Wrath trail - a solid inner tent is the best option by far. 50mph winds in the hauling rain on the Forcan and ridge are no joke.

Good breakdown.

Glad I saw this. I might have made a mistake.

A "Pro" is a Professional defined as 1. A member of a profession (which is defined by a number of characteristics, including self-regulation and a governing body). 2. a person who engages in an activity for compensation (someone who is paid to do something. - Think professional vs. amateur athletes). Someone who camps a lot regardless of experience is not a "pro". That said, all good info which people should pay attention to if they want to have a positive camping experience.

in the mountains a 4 season tent is definitely good for spring and fall, in the summer a cheap meshy tent with a good tarp placed above is my go-to in monsoon country, for clear weather stargazing obviously ditch tarpp.

Great video thanks

Great video Luke , should educate some begginers to camping .

Already have a lightweight 3 season 1 person tent that i haven’t yet used in warm/ hot weather, mesh covers roughly 60% of the inner tent , hopefully it won't be too hot inside..... Been searching for a roomy 3 season car camping tent that is light ( under 7kg ) , min 170cm head height inside , aluminium poles , full mesh / fabric panels on 2 doors for good air flow in warm/ hot weather but also the ability to zip up the bottom half with a fabric panel to block the wind and wind blown rain in crappy weather. Couldn't find a tent that meeted those demands, settled on ordering a BA Spicer peak 4 , has more fabric than I'd prefer and no flexibility with the 2 inner tent doors . In my search i saw a comment on the BA Bunkhouse, the new 2023 model has a fair bit less mesh compared with the previous Bunkhouse, so yeah looks like cost cutting by Big agnes ........ Oh yeah i really get annoyed with sales pics showing the doors open !! In the areas i camp there is always something that will bite you !! I virtually never sit around in a tent with door/s wide open ....... marketing BS ....

Good analysis of the material

that's good to know. thank you.

I always believed that the season related to a tent is actually to do with height and not the time of year, but I could be wrong and a four season tent is designed to be above tree level and used on mountain's.

I suspect whoever makes the tent on the left also made my Eddie Bauer Stargazer, because apart from colour it looks identical. I found it good enough in summer(all tents suck in summer), and great in cooler weather.