SC1 inside of SC2 is all we ever really wanted for SC2.

@markmuller7962

Ай бұрын

Yep, from the very beginning

@L3monsta

28 күн бұрын

@@markmuller7962 I mean SC2BW was around in the HotS days but no one noticed. This has the added advantage of facing sc1 races against sc2 though and that's amazing

@markmuller7962

28 күн бұрын

@L3monsta Because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW blowed up in SK?

@markmuller7962

28 күн бұрын

@L3monsta That's because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW blowed up in SK

@markmuller7962

28 күн бұрын

@L3monsta That's because the west has been esport illiterate for 15 years after BW exploded in SK

SC1 Zealot: 🦬 SC2 Zealot: 🐤 Joke aside SC1 sound design still crushes holy

@friskydrinklunkybank1108

Ай бұрын

sc1 sound design in general is amazing. It's on the same tier as wc3 where you can tell whats happening if you dont see it

@thijsjong

Ай бұрын

The sc1 zealot has a higher speed when leg enhancements are researched. I like the sc1 zelot better anyway. The charge mechanic is kind of anti micro

@kirktown2046

Ай бұрын

@@friskydrinklunkybank1108 Totally, everything had such weight and character to it in sc1, sc2 things felt relatively throwaway.

@Amoeby

Ай бұрын

@@kirktown2046 it's just a nostalgia. We were younger and we put that weight into everything.

@kirktown2046

Ай бұрын

​@@Amoeby Nah, listen to the sc1/2 unit voice comparisons yourself, or just go play a game of each. It's impossible for sc2 unit weight to match sc1, the pace is so much faster alone. I love sc2 as well, but the audio doesn't have the same impact. The voice direction, oddly, was kind of flipped from sc1... Sc1 had a less serious atmosphere overall, but the units sounded fairly serious and "cool" (for default lines). Sc2 had a very serious, epic space opera atmosphere all around, but unit dialogue was much less "cool" and more humorous. That really makes a major impact on the vibe. Individual unit sounds and effects are lower in the mix by default, they lack environmental sounds like the radio static or blips from sc1 that placed units more intimately into their environments. They played safer away from the southerner stereotype and made everyone more generic. Now nostalgia is trying to compete with having Mr. Burns as the science vessel vs the Raven. You can't win that.

Awesome to see justice for valkyries. In StarCraft 1, Valkyries were supposed to shine in big battles, but they had a bug where they would instead do little to no DMG due to Sprite limits

@reishiki8682

Ай бұрын

They've been patched in Remastered, so their intended use against mass Mutalisks does make them shine (2 Valks is enough to deter a full Muta ball).

@markmuller7962

Ай бұрын

It was fixed

@zhadez10

19 күн бұрын

With the Valk fix in SC remastered they're also the ultimate anti air unit for any big air battles in the Fastest maps so yes the sprite limit really did hold them back for the longest time. Valks being good now also means any mass wraith strats in TvT (that used to be popular for a while) are dead now

@markmuller7962

19 күн бұрын

@@zhadez10 That's unfortunate, mass wraith is majestic

I still think of Valks as "the new expansion unit"

The nostalgia effect plus the modern graphics, awesome !

I always liked BW models and the 90's SciFi vibe of the unit sounds and responses. Nice to see them in SC2 grfx. Really well done mod

Really refreshing to see different games on the main channel Grubby. The WC3 videos start to blend together when you watch them day after day. (No complaints, your content is amazing), but even having this little change keeps things nice and watchable. I would love to see you play more Brood War with Zerg or Terran, (simply because the graphics were so satisfying.) By the way, have you ever played Dawn of War 2? I really think you'd enjoy Dawn of War: Dark Crusade. It's a really challenging game that gets harder (too hard for me, to be honest), even on the campaign mode against the A.I. The A.I. gets two bases by default on some maps, so you're basically 1v2'ing. I'd love to see how you pilot it as the battles are soooooooooo satisfying in Dawn of War.

Next, Starcraft vs. Warcraft

the models of the old units look amazing

Carbot animations coming into reality :D

What I’m getting out of this BW vs SC2 is that BW has some very powerful options, but SC2 has more total options. BW variants can have quite a bit of trouble dealing with early SC2 units they are not accustomed with like Roaches, Reapers and Blink Stalkers, but their casters have deadly strong spells, some benefiting immensely from SC2 engine casting like Spawn Broodlings

I like this idea of this mod. Keep up more content like this. Love ya Grubby!

Yes this is so fun to watch, hoping for more BW vs SC2 content!

battlecruisers are the one unit that is uncontestably better in sc2. for these reasons: 1- warp 2- can attack while moving that elevates it from a meme unit to a serious game-ending threat.

@Chubbajawa

Ай бұрын

Yamato Gun did 260 damage. From a longer range.

@ThisIsntAYoutuber

Ай бұрын

@@Chubbajawa Yamato Gun also costs a boatload of energy. SC2 BCs have a shorter Yamato cooldown than SC1 BCs can recover enough energy.

@chrisdaignault9845

Ай бұрын

I think in this case we saw one reason why BW BCs aren’t strictly worse; their slower shots are much less affected by, for example, the Thor’s armor.

@reishiki8682

Ай бұрын

Subjective really, they have higher rate of fire but their damage is lower and also penalized by armor more, while BW BC's only fire one slow shots but isn't heavily mitigated by armor upgrades. So its only advantage is mobility with Tac Jumps. Oh and SC2 Missile Turrets are better since they also get Hi-Sec Auto Tracking (range increased for defensive structures).

@GraveUypo

Ай бұрын

@@chrisdaignault9845 thor only has one armor. Hardly an issue for a bc's 9 damage ground attack. Its their air to air attack that struggles a little with armor, cuz it only has 6 base damage. Sc2 bcs have higher air to ground dps than bw bcs on anything other than ultralisks. Old yamato did 360 damage instead of 260 but that hardly makes up for how much worse it is at everything else. Bw battlecruisers can barely beat a scout 1vs1. I think 3 scouts beat 2 bcs without yamato, and bcs are unable to disengage. Bw bcs are memes. They dont counter anything and get countered by half the units in the game. You are all severly underestimating the utility of firering while moving, as well as thr global warp powers of the sc2 bc. These two units arent even in the same league. Its like F tier vs A tier.

WOW those SC1 units were remade in SC2 style graphics perfectly. These guys should have done the Reforged models :(

i never played bw but the voice lines and sounds overall are so cool

Its grubbin time

hell yes glad to see more of this

This is a fun change of pace! Have you also seen the custom scion races mod?

It's a story older than civilization, the tale of two starcrafts...

Glad to see Valkyries dominating on air. I believe Valkyries alone could wreck the whole Skytoss. The older battlecruiser may not be mobile and fast like the new ones but it dose pack a punch.

Battle cruiser operational, so good

for some reason we kinda forgot grub was a SC1 professional player. And we handle this game right back to him.

Very cool. Always interesting to see masters at their craft play other games that are similar to the game they main. I think playing other games help with the creativity and innovations with the main game they are best at. It's like playing multiple sports. Each learning experience from each sport can help in the sport that the person mains. The sounds of the game are neat. From the SCVs to the marines and the research complete

I like that in SC1 they had the insight of making the mines not able to target workers.

@L3monsta

28 күн бұрын

they also don't target other vultures and archons due to them also being tagged as "hover" units

Now we need Zerg and Protoss. And while we are at it, just slap all the Warcraft races into StarCraft engine. 😮

oh how I love thisss

Actually the thumbnail should be vultures vs hellions, arclite vs crucio tanks and goliath vs viking (on land), well great games dude 😁.

The irony when Grubby learns that 2-Starport Wraith builds are a menace against mirror matchups if the opposing Terran doesn't see it coming.

wintergaming has been showing this mod for months now. This is so big in south korea, its got its own ladder.

wow. didn't expect you to cover this. but its cool sc1 units OP

I'd love to see something come out of this event-wise in the West. BW units are fun. It's also pretty funny how the SC2 basically had all the Scans in the world to deal with Wraith and Mines.

Grubby please play this more

This is better balanced and more deep than regular SC2, arguably better than BW... They just need to make the BW/SC2 selection hidden from your enemy and then it's the most balanced RTS ever... where SC2 versions of races are generally less played but the threat of people using the SC2 higher tech playstyle can always be added to a "best of *" to switch things up. It also just so happens that the least powerful SC1 race of Zerg has the best SC2 tech switch-up, and Protoss conversely has the least effective tech switch-up, with Terran being middle of the road. Kind of reminds me of C&C: Zero Hour races with tech options which were super sick.

SC2 terran seems to love cloaked banshee rushing SC1 Terran. I love the fact that I get to make a statement like that. What a world for RTS today!

i miss playing mass Vulture LOL

God... my first PC game was Half-Life and Starcraft Broodwar... I still play Broodwar, this MOD look so nice...

So fun to see how broken some BW units are in modern SC2 environment and vica versa, how OP teleporting BCs that attack while moving can be for a BW toss, reavers etc. Also BW mech terran is just OP as F :D

did they import interface avatars from starcraft1 remaster?

“As a casual RTS fan” -Grubby

what's the difference between evo complete and evo complete crossover edition?

What I really wanted for StarCraft 2 was StarCraft 1.5 . . . (Brood War counts as StarCraft 1.1).

Valkyrie op

Irradiate is BROKEN against SC2 bio comps

I would love to learn more about the meta around this mod. I LOVE BW but I don’t see how its factions could compete with the SC2 units. I’d love to be wrong though.

@Kuubudaraa

Ай бұрын

Honestly on the SC1 side Vultures still seem cracked and way stronger/versatile than Hellions/Hellbats, and Science Vessels vs. Ravens is a very interesting comparison with how different their utility is, but for the most part there are a lot of handicaps for SC1 terran like depots not burrowing, needing CC addons, no reactors, dropship being strictly worse than medivac, etc.

supply depot just needs to be 5 times bigger and clog your base lol

Need Ghosts to lockdown the Thors and valkeryies to absolutely destroy air (10 valk would have absolutely destroyed all his vikings and allow your BC to go to town)

뭐야 외국에서도 인기라니 재밌게 즐기죠!

I think with multiple building select the BW units win every time

Not 36 possible match-ups, if my math is correct, 15. (Because Terran BW player A vs Terran BW player B would have to be different from Terran BW player B vs Terran BW player A for it to be 36 possible combinations, but both are Terran BW mirror-matches.)

@xetanth87

Ай бұрын

T1vX -> 6 matchups Z1vX -> 5 matchups (we exclude the races the first player had above) P1vX -> 4 matchups (final matchups with at least one BW player, so 15 if we have at least 1 BW player) T2vX -> 3 matchups Z2VX -> 2 matchups P2VX -> 1 matchup (final matchup, 6 matchups that only include SC2 races) So in total you have 15 matchups with at least 1 BW race and 21 matchups in total

@MyNameIsDecember

Ай бұрын

? 3 bw races, 3 sc2 races. 6 total. Including mirror matches, that would be 36 possible combinations.

@playlists987

Ай бұрын

For anyone looking at how many matchups, look at the choose function. 6 choose 2 is 15. This does NOT include mirror matchups, so we add those in, giving 15+6= 21 match ups.

@quetzacotls4555

Ай бұрын

Result is: 6+5+4+3+2+1 The first has 6 possible match-up (the same race same edition included) next race/edit. Combo has 1 less, because we counted already the first possible match-up for the last one. The next has 4 and so on.

I don't get why a mirror match when pvt is so good in thia mod

Ye really cool mod but I guess sc bw races are lacking behind macro wise when played on equal skill lvl

This mod will kill all attempts at developing a new RTS. It will just die. SC2 with SC1 is just too strong. I hope they can make a ladder with all 6 races. That would just be totally bonkers.

Dragoons better than stalkers? Not even close. Stalker is probably the best unit in any RTS ever. But I generally prefer BW units.

BW is just the better game than SC2 in nearly all aspects. Better art style, better sound design, better music, better campaign and story, better UMS maps, more entertaining as a spectator sport. I still play and watch it to this day, but I have lost all interest in SC2.

Yo

just play like maru

Sub to the Grub

it's not very accurate. sc1 scvs don't even deliver 8 minerals. theres a ton of other inaccuracies too, like the siege tanks having only the same AOE as the sc2 tanks, the supply depot being the incorrect size, goliath range being too low even with the upgrade

@ripedroxx

Ай бұрын

They are constantly balancing it around The goal is not to be a 100% recreation but to actually make both games races balanced while keeping their identity and playstyle options

The fact that someone would voluntarily pick Brood War terran over SC2 terran is comedy in itself.

@ripedroxx

Ай бұрын

Goliaths and vultures are just way too good, however pretty much everything else is laughably inferior like banshees being infinitely better at harrasing worker lines and defending marines vs wraith tickle damage Hell bw terran air is completely nullified by vikings range and speed

Why were you able to float your building? thats not SC1

@reishiki8682

Ай бұрын

My guy, he's playing BW Terran where the E-Bay can be lifted unlike SC2's.