This Commodore 1541 hides a terrible secret.

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Ticking time bombs: 1541 floppy disk drives with Newtronics mechanisms. How to identify them and test for a failed read/write head!
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  • @SianaGearz
    @SianaGearz Жыл бұрын

    Short? Wait where? O.L is open. I do wonder what repair methods we may be able to devise nowadays. You can SLA print precision parts and we can build precision coil winding machines at home. I do have a drive somewhere in a box stored under low humidity that may potentially be affected, i should check it out.

  • @slobodanjovanovic8166

    @slobodanjovanovic8166

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, OL is indicating open line, not shorted one.

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for pointing that out! I carelessly saw a 0 instead of O and stopped there. My bad. Clearly I need to be more observant. That's twice in two videos where I've missed obviously things that were right in front of me. I disassembled the drive and checked continuity of pin1 from the connector all the way to the PCB on the head just to ensure it was not a wire break and that tested out fine, so the break is somewhere inside the potting/coil. That would be nice. I don't think I'm up to the task, but I'd love it if someone built a jig to re-wind a 1084 deflection yoke. At least that's big and bulky. The r/w head coil is so tiny and I'm all thumbs when it comes to delicate work.

  • @djmips

    @djmips

    Жыл бұрын

    @@retrobitstv Maybe there's a market for someone to make a run of new compatible heads for the Newtronics 1541? - and have them stock them at Console5 or similar.

  • @ovalwingnut

    @ovalwingnut

    Жыл бұрын

    O.L. = "Open Loop"... a throw back to Telco. More specifically the "battery" circuit between the central office and your home (wired) phone.

  • @MD_il_microcanale

    @MD_il_microcanale

    Жыл бұрын

    hi, great informative video. I thought it would take someone to start producing new cartridges free of this insidious defect. I have a classic 1541 with the lever (and therefore it could fail, but it still works well) I have a 1541 II with this cartridge too and finally a 1541 II with a good cartridge, but whose mechanics make a deadly noise (it is the model with recessed lever and with the disc ejection mechanism when the lever opens)

  • @Ozzy3333333
    @Ozzy3333333 Жыл бұрын

    I worked for Mitsubishi electronics from 84 to 90, 8", 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives, I was the resident expert at perfect radial and azimuth alignment that had tight screws, as shipping in trucks are bumpy and misaligns heads with not so tight screws. The good ol Brikon FDD tester/exerciser, I knew that equipment like the back of my hand. Good ol memories.

  • @vliegerik
    @vliegerik Жыл бұрын

    it is not shorted but open. They can be "repared" if one of the two coils is working you can bridge the other coil with a resistor. It will be slower, but will work.

  • @ricardocruz1168

    @ricardocruz1168

    Жыл бұрын

    Hey thank you is there any tutorial or forum post about that? Just in case?

  • @claudioquintanilla1471

    @claudioquintanilla1471

    Жыл бұрын

    that "reparation" gives as a result of unreliable reading, I mean a lot of reading errors, doesn't work well, don't waste your time doing that stupidity...

  • @MrRobarino

    @MrRobarino

    Жыл бұрын

    Bypassing one of the coils with a resistor is an absolutely stupid idea. Who the heck told you that would ever work?

  • @BasicBitesCA
    @BasicBitesCA Жыл бұрын

    My 1541-II drives with Chinon mechanisms are still going strong 30 years later. I was aware of the Newtronics issues, but did not know that the Mark IIs had a direct correlation between the external case design and the internal mechanism. That is a brilliant tip for buyers! -- JC

  • @stefanegger

    @stefanegger

    Жыл бұрын

    is not true what he says in the video, typical youtube guy who has no clue... The one with the flush case can have a D500 or JPN DS-50F, the one with the indent (recession) has a F501M. And there is another version (no recession at all, 1571 style) where I only know one picture on the internet, but never saw that version ever again. The DS50F has in my opinion no difference from the case/looks, but when you have one its easy to find out: The lever on the DS50F is very light any you only have a small click on the down position and it springu up very freely and without much resistence. The D500 has a hard CLICK when you close it and a bit more tension or resistence. If you have those two, its very obvious if you can compare them directly.

  • @donaldblakley6796

    @donaldblakley6796

    Жыл бұрын

    I also have one of these that sat for 20 years. Cleaned up. Works like a charm. Little noisey due to oxidation.. but Works perfectly:)

  • @retrohaxblog
    @retrohaxblog Жыл бұрын

    Wow! I didn't realize that someone actually read my blog posts from 2017! btw. I still didn't say the last word on this topic and want to sort this case out. I am slowly gathering knowledge ... like really slowly as I am kinda overwhelmed by other projects lol. As usual, this was an EXCELLENT VIDEO!

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    Haha I've come across your post multiple times over the years! Thanks for sharing what you discovered. I'm sure the world would be very interested if there were a workable solution to the problem some day so please keep us posted of any new developments! I know the feeling about being overwhelmed by projects :)

  • @UltimatePerfection

    @UltimatePerfection

    Жыл бұрын

    @@retrobitstv Shooting in the dark, but since the moisture seems to cause the issue, wouldn't drying the head completely, in a desert-like conditioning, fix it?

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    @@UltimatePerfection Disclaimer: I haven't extracted the coil from my bad drive or examined it under a microscope. That said, I believe the issues to be a result of oxidation, not the presence of moisture itself. Over time, oxidation of the delicate wires either causes a short where there shouldn't be, or in my case, a complete break in one or more of the coils. It one were able to extract the coil from the potting, find the break or short with a microscope, and repair the damage, it could conceivably be fixed, but I have neither to tools nor the skill to work with something that small myself and I am not aware of anyone who has successfully repaired one yet and shared info about it :(

  • @rapiqui

    @rapiqui

    Жыл бұрын

    Come on! Your posts are gold. I recall the internal SD2IEC one, which encouraged me to start making some :)

  • @retrohaxblog

    @retrohaxblog

    Жыл бұрын

    @@rapiqui Thank you for warm words sir ;)

  • @fixitalex
    @fixitalex Жыл бұрын

    I never worked with Commodere drives but back in the days I repaired lots of FDDs. You can use any head coil from drive with similar geometry. The hardest part is to glue it properly. After you'll need a special disk where zeros are written on track 0 and 1 on other track according to your geometry. Then you have to position head on each track with low level commands and control the alignment with oscilloscope connected to head preamp.

  • @robertmiles9942

    @robertmiles9942

    8 ай бұрын

    Azimuth needs to be set as well before you glue it. It needs to be inside of about 1/5th of a degree. Is that reasonably achievable or testable prior to gluing? I've never tried to do this.

  • @electronicengineer
    @electronicengineer Жыл бұрын

    There is an "open" on pin 1 of the bad drive, not a "short". The DMM reads infinite ohms on the pin 1 measurements. Pin 1 = OPEN.

  • @Pulverrostmannen

    @Pulverrostmannen

    Жыл бұрын

    Exactly! The day I would get a shorted open circuit I would freak out ha ha

  • @Roboto129

    @Roboto129

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup. Noticed that right away. He just miss spoke.

  • @AS-ly3jp
    @AS-ly3jp Жыл бұрын

    Wow, the prices went up insane! In Germany you can buy 1541 drives for 30-50 Bucks in working condition.

  • @3vi1J
    @3vi1J Жыл бұрын

    This is great info! Thanks for sharing. I'm an OG 64 guy who only had the older Alps mechanisms... I did have my days of fighting alignment issues, and had to teach myself how to re-align them. Now I know that if I ever do want to recreate my original setup I should beware the caveats with the later models even more. Thanks again.

  • @dougjohnson4266
    @dougjohnson4266 Жыл бұрын

    Never heard about the bad drive head issue before. Thank you for making the video.

  • @Mclaneinc
    @Mclaneinc Жыл бұрын

    I literally just purchased a 1541 MKII 2 days ago, thankfully the condition of the drive was stated and it was fully working, serviced and head aligned and for 67.00UK ie a really good price. But when I heard you say that they can just go with fault my heart sank, BUT when I looked at the drive it had the recessed lever, cue a big smile. I was lucky, I got a proper retro commodore seller and the product was fully documented before sale. As you say, the little games that some sellers use, ie the powers on or untested is just annoying and usually deliberate, trying to get money for their old dead crap......Thanks Matt, great short video..

  • @captainkanji1
    @captainkanji1 Жыл бұрын

    I had the 1541-C model I believe. I also bought the C-64-C with cash from my part time job. Somewhere around $400 I think. I remember playing a ton of Ultima IV.

  • @boardsort
    @boardsort Жыл бұрын

    THANK YOU! Great information. I did not know this tip. As soon as you mentioned the recessed lever, I hit pause, turned my head to look at my 1541-II sitting to my left and cheered when I saw that my drive lever was not flush!

  • @Otakunopodcast
    @Otakunopodcast Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the great tips! Been thinking of picking up a 1541, since I always like to have a drive available to read physical media "just in case" and/or to be able to make physical media for friends/people in need. I knew there were some "bad" 1541s out there, but didn't really know the details. Until now. :)

  • @neo-YoutubeStoleMyHandle
    @neo-YoutubeStoleMyHandle2 ай бұрын

    Never had a problem with my 1541. Also purchased broken 1541's and repaired them myself. Great drive...

  • @michaelcarey
    @michaelcarey Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the informative video! I recall wishing my original 1541 had the lever operated mechanism. I thought the push down ALPS 1541 drive lever was weird and clunky. Some friends had the Newtronics version and they felt a lot nicer to use... but here we are 40 years later and my 1541 is still going strong! Both of my 1541-II drives are Chinon based and work perfectly!

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome, glad your drives are still all working! I've only had the one fail so far myself, but I'm going to have to keep an eye open for a Chinon 1541-II I think :)

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Жыл бұрын

    This was a very well done video. Thank you for making it.

  • @DrDavesDiversions
    @DrDavesDiversions Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for all the research - and sharing this, Matt! Best explanation I've seen yet. :) Mine from '84 Newtronics 1541 is currently working great, but now I am forewarned that I should probably backup all those disks to another medium.

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    YW! I think I am going to keep an eye open for a Chinon 1541-II just to have something for the long haul. Of course my 1571s are all fine so far so there's that option too :)

  • @mark12358

    @mark12358

    Жыл бұрын

    @@retrobitstv well, after this video, prices for those NOT Newtronics will go spice up! I had lot of ALPS and Chinon, just one Nwtx, as I knew the flaw.

  • @CubicleNate
    @CubicleNate Жыл бұрын

    So... what about those crazy people that just want the 1541 case? I'll give you $20 for your broken drive! 😁

  • @Ho1yhe11

    @Ho1yhe11

    Жыл бұрын

    Putting a greaseweazel and shugart drive in it to connect to pc?

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    Some other options: stick a pi1541 inside the case or build an automated floppy disk cleaner that walks the carriage assembly while applying isopropyl alcohol to a microfiber cloth where the r/w head used to be!

  • @parrottm76262
    @parrottm76262 Жыл бұрын

    Perfect vid! So, so helpful to us retro-nuts!

  • @yucelbilik
    @yucelbilik Жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot for the great information.

  • @motherofallemails
    @motherofallemails Жыл бұрын

    Seems like yesterday when I was lusting after these drives for my C16 in the 80's. Never was able to get one. This brings amazing memories, still feels like living in sci-fi paradise. So amazing!

  • @JustinEmlay
    @JustinEmlay Жыл бұрын

    One of the most useful videos on the internet!

  • @lajosszel
    @lajosszel Жыл бұрын

    We could afford a C64 in the 80's but never a diskette drive. Some of my friends had one but I kept using tapes till the end. It felt like being a secondary citizen of the C64 universe. Even today when I see a 1541 I feel the same desire to finally have one.

  • @ilovemyhonda250ex
    @ilovemyhonda250ex Жыл бұрын

    Glad I have an Alps model! Working great after some chip replacements.

  • @kevinroberts1888
    @kevinroberts1888 Жыл бұрын

    Good video. I remember going through two 1541-2 drives in the late eighties before I got fed up and bought a third party, FSD-2 drive. These things are built like a tank and never seem to wear out or go out of alignment and I've only ever came across a couple games that had issues with it. It's still the drive I prefer today. Though I actually have two of the original pull down tab drives in my collection that I got from a yard sale in the mid 90's that still work but they do get hot. I don't really use them much unless I need an extra drive to copy disks with.

  • @sergiogabbiani1614
    @sergiogabbiani1614 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you , really interesting!

  • @horusfalcon
    @horusfalcon Жыл бұрын

    An interesting presentation, concise and to the point, packed with lots of useful information. Well done! (We'll forgive ya for confusing an air gap with a short. Happens all the time.)

  • @overdriver99
    @overdriver99 Жыл бұрын

    thanks for video. this is fantastic as always! without knowing this problem I bought 2 untested 1541 drives. I knew it was not working for sure before I bought it. both of them are powered on with LED lit but that's all. luckily I fixed one of them by replacing IC but the other one never had any improvement even if I did same trouble shooting like other working one. Now I understand that It was not about IC at all... oh well I was lucky to have at least 1 working one :)

  • @WinrichNaujoks
    @WinrichNaujoks Жыл бұрын

    That's so rubbish! Newtronics didn't realise that just a few decades after build there'd be a moisture leak? We should start a class action law suit.

  • @siriokds
    @siriokds Жыл бұрын

    Thant you too to avoid us more headaches 💚

  • @commodoresixfour7478
    @commodoresixfour7478 Жыл бұрын

    I didn't even know about this. Thanks!

  • @krnlg
    @krnlg Жыл бұрын

    The drive head is measuring open, not short.

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    You are right, I totally saw the O and read it as a 0 and stopped there. I need to pay more attention, that's twice in two videos I've missed something obvious. That said, I did disassemble the drive and checked continuity of pin1 from the connector all the way to the PCB on the head just to ensure it was not a wire break and that tested out fine, so the break is somewhere inside the potting/coil.

  • @jussikuusela7345
    @jussikuusela73453 ай бұрын

    Some 23 years ago a friend and I experimented with two 1541's with remarkably different circuit boards, and slightly different mechanisms, with the head and track motor wires coming from different spots but able to reach. We managed to get the mechanism from one (not sure which) to work fully with the other boards, wires carefully routed to avoid snagging. I think both had the "flap" on the front though, so these likely were two revisions of MK1. One appeared completely dead towards the C64, the other had some mechanical issue... it is likely that both were repairable as is, but we managed to Frankenstein one working drive from two non-working ones and we were happy with the result then.

  • @jussikuusela7345

    @jussikuusela7345

    2 ай бұрын

    EDIT: 23 years ago (typo).

  • @lawrencehubbard2985
    @lawrencehubbard2985 Жыл бұрын

    There is third party still making their version of the 1541. Which when it was reviewed got marks high marks for working with the C64 and not eating your floppy.

  • @toxicmule
    @toxicmule17 күн бұрын

    Oh noes....ignorance is bliss. I have been running 4 of these for years and didn't know this. A small realignment here and there, but now that I know this, watch em all bite the dust. Thanks a lot.

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    16 күн бұрын

    Sorry about that. May the odds be ever in your favor!

  • @Kane69022
    @Kane69022 Жыл бұрын

    I have been looking for this for so long, but i didn’t know the name. The reason for my search is because this is what my grandfather had and he used it to teach me how to use a computer. I miss him but seeing this makes my heart feel warm. Thank you

  • @k.b.tidwell

    @k.b.tidwell

    Жыл бұрын

    In 1983 I bought one with money I made over the summer. I was 13, and my C64 was $288 at Kmart. I connected it to an old black and white TV my dad had, but I couldn't afford the 1541 at that time. Had to make more money! But later I was able to buy my own 13" color TV for the monitor and the drive. I had a lot of fun playing games on that machine. I got married in 1990, and I remember one time using it to play a lot of music. The C64 had one of the very best music chips in it of all home computers back then. My wife and I moved to where we live now shortly after that, and the tragedy is that the Commodore disappeared at some point there. I have no idea what happened to it, and I miss it to this day. Now that I have a 2 year old grandson I wish I had it so that I could do what your grandfather did. He loved you very much to want to show you those things because he knew it would help you...and he knew it is fun! You always try to be the man in your family's lives that your grandfather was in yours. I had a grandfather like yours and that how I try to live. Have a great life, Benjamin!

  • @Larry198s
    @Larry198s Жыл бұрын

    its great seeing this video about commodore drives I had 1581 hard drive before,

  • @Frank-bz2ub
    @Frank-bz2ub Жыл бұрын

    i have a bunch of those drive all they are untested but i will test them all because you show us now how to do it ! thx for this video !

  • @cubey
    @cubey Жыл бұрын

    I had one around 2005-2010 and it still worked, even in a humid climate. Sold it off still working around 2012.

  • @JayBlackthorne
    @JayBlackthorne Жыл бұрын

    Great video. I've got my equipment in the attic. I'm hoping all of it still works, but I'll likely have it checked out by a repair guy, before hooking it up. I'm especially hoping all of my floppies are still readable. I've already got a XUM1541 adapter lying around. The guy I bought it from, was able to read all of his!

  • @tjlazer71
    @tjlazer71 Жыл бұрын

    Just checked both of my old 1541-II's and both are the newer ones with the recessed front case! Woot!

  • @robertsissco2439
    @robertsissco24399 ай бұрын

    I actually learned this from Ray Carlsen when he was helping me troubleshoot a faulty 1541 I got. I got a Alps drive mechanism from Germany for cheap listed as working and swapped them out. The DOS ROM was also bad on that drive, but I got that working

  • @peyr0l
    @peyr0l8 ай бұрын

    I've just discovered an O.L. between pin 5 and everything else on my newly acquired newtronics 1541. Boo. Thanks for this great video. Wish I had watched this earlier.

  • @LeftoverBeefcake
    @LeftoverBeefcake Жыл бұрын

    I have an Alps 1541 that marginally works, except the motor sounds like a dying cow... though the 1541-II (with non-recessed lever) I've had since childhood has been working fine, shockingly enough. Thanks to this excellent info I'll have to go check my other drives and see where they stand. I was hoping by now someone could make replacement heads (somehow) so dead drives could be put back into service.

  • @thecorruptedbit5585
    @thecorruptedbit5585 Жыл бұрын

    When I bought my first used C64 (a few years ago) I went mad trying to troubleshoot the 1541 it came with, thinking that there was some sort of logic-board fault. It took a good month of messing with it to realize that it was an unfixable head problem... I went out and bought another one.

  • @jasongomez5344
    @jasongomez53444 ай бұрын

    I had an Enhancer 2000 floppy drive back in the '80s, which was quieter and sleeker. It was probably faster too. I never had any compatibility problems with it.

  • @peterlejon5458
    @peterlejon5458 Жыл бұрын

    I had two original 1541s. Luckily, they always worked like a charm. And I gave them quite a workout in the eighties

  • @Voyager_2
    @Voyager_2 Жыл бұрын

    very useful!

  • @Renville80
    @Renville803 ай бұрын

    I had a 1541 with the Alps mechanism, and at one point I had to take the drive in for alignment and the repairman did the extra step of adding a pin so that it would not lose alignment and that drive worked perfectly after that. The thing still ran hot however.

  • @joecincotta5805
    @joecincotta5805 Жыл бұрын

    Can't thank you enough for this video.

  • @andrewlankford9634
    @andrewlankford9634 Жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for "this 1976 vintage 8 track tape player will DESTROY your 8 track tapes!!!"

  • @MaskHysteria
    @MaskHysteria Жыл бұрын

    My OG 1541 lasted for six years of near constant use. My first MK2 barely lasted a year conveniently out of warranty. Good to see everyone here keeping the old doorstops alive.

  • @mojamb0
    @mojamb0 Жыл бұрын

    Ah memories of the 80s thanks for posting. Way back when I got my Commodore 64 instead of the 1541, I got the Indus GT floppy drive loved it and I still kept it all these years. Yeah I'm hoarder.

  • @ArcadeFan77
    @ArcadeFan773 күн бұрын

    Another terrible secret (in old 1541) is the power filter integrated into the C14 socket. Due to possible sparking and "magic" mass, it may cause a short circuit, lack of electricity, damage to electronics and even fire.

  • @OnMeter
    @OnMeter Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your video! :-)

  • @scality4309
    @scality4309 Жыл бұрын

    The 1571 on the 128D never failed me.

  • @Stoney3K
    @Stoney3K Жыл бұрын

    That's one more reason to go for a 1571 instead. If the drive mechanism ever breaks, you can rip one out of a random PC and be on your way. Or even convert it into a poor man's 1581 if you want.

  • @NeilRoy
    @NeilRoy Жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. I didn't know about this. I have a couple drives, they have been laying around for literally decades... I'm afraid to see if they still work! LOL

  • @mondocommodore
    @mondocommodore Жыл бұрын

    Good video!!

  • @tetsujin_144
    @tetsujin_144 Жыл бұрын

    Good to know, I didn't know the later 1541's were prone to this kind of failure. I got some of my dad's old C64 stuff (fortunately my mom had kept it around) including multiple systems, some old disks, and one older-model 1541 drive... Generally I don't feel I need another 1541 in my life but I have entertained the possibility, especially for the more compact 1541-II version. Wouldn't have been super fun to get another drive that's big and slow and heavy but also irreparably failed.

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    Believe it or not, I've never owned an old style 1541. My first Commodore was a 64C with a 1541-II, so when I got into retro of course I sought out the things I used to have. I've not really had any desire to own an original 1541, but if a nice Alps one comes along for the right price I'd still consider it.

  • @cameramaker
    @cameramaker Жыл бұрын

    @4:20 the Pin 1 is not short - your multimeter shows +inf resistance, which is OPEN circuit. The pin 1 is therefore rotten, eroded, open, disconnected, etc..

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    You are correct; thanks for pointing that out! I disassembled the drive and checked continuity of pin1 from the connector all the way to the PCB on the head just to ensure it was not a wire break and that tested out fine, so the break is somewhere inside the potting/coil.

  • @ArttuTheCat
    @ArttuTheCat Жыл бұрын

    I still have 1541-II for my Commodore 64C, and it still works. I even filmed a video of a gameplay ROAD RUNNER on a disk for KZread. 😺👍🕹️

  • @tommyovesen
    @tommyovesen Жыл бұрын

    Nice video. I have a lot of drives, but none has failed like that. Still, I was not aware about this problem

  • @guymontag2948
    @guymontag2948 Жыл бұрын

    I really wanted one of these. We had the cassette tape drive but my friend had the floppy drive and you could load a game of Spy Vs. Spy in mere minutes!

  • @k.b.tidwell
    @k.b.tidwell Жыл бұрын

    I had the early version, complete with four No 2 pencils in the bottom screw holes to elevate it for ventilation. I never had a problem with it, or the single hole punch I used to turn my floppy disks from one-sided to two-sided. I remember when the 1541-2's came out, but mine still worked so I never got one. I did have the 1571(?), as I bought it when I got my C128.

  • @labnine3362
    @labnine3362 Жыл бұрын

    I have to say, of all my many C64 drives, the 1541 II is my favorite and that includes a 1571 and 1581.

  • @b.o.4492
    @b.o.44926 ай бұрын

    Excellent video. I had the original tab 1541 and never had a problem back when. I emulate now. At some point I’d like to require my old setup. All I’d care about is cosmetics. Wouldn’t care if it functioned just for display. We are entering a time where these will start to consistently fail so anything that says powers on not tested and they can’t even jury rig it to test on a new TV is telling you it’s broken. And like you say even if it works at this instant during shipping something could happen.

  • @fffUUUUUU
    @fffUUUUUU Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the important PSA!

  • @v12alpine
    @v12alpine Жыл бұрын

    I just checked my 1541-II and it's got the recessed lever. I also have the "revised" OG 1541. Both still work, I guess I'm lucky.

  • @resonatic
    @resonaticАй бұрын

    Well that's new to me! I know that some production numbers had some cooling issues but in fact is was one of the better disk drives in those days. 😄I never encountered problems at least, not more than a head cleaning every now and then.

  • @g4z-kb7ct
    @g4z-kb7ct2 ай бұрын

    I got tired of fixing my drives so some years ago I shelved my 9x 1541 drives (3 have Newtronics mechs but are working) and mostly just use an Ultimate1541-II cart but if I want to use a real floppy I use one of my 4x 1581 drives. 6 years ago I reversed the 1581 drive PCB and made an exact 1:1 reproduction (exact to within 0.1mm in every aspect) so now I just use that one drive for everything.

  • @kippie80
    @kippie80 Жыл бұрын

    You may be able to bake in oven at 200F for 12h to drive out moisture of epoxy. Worked for a chainsaw coil of mine.

  • @brianharley6452
    @brianharley6452 Жыл бұрын

    Man I miss my c64. What a great system

  • @NZotyoka81
    @NZotyoka812 ай бұрын

    Had this one and never had problems.

  • @Halloween111
    @Halloween111 Жыл бұрын

    I used to cut pencils off and push 4 of them into the screw holes on the bottom to raise the whole drive up by 3 to 4 inches so more air could get around them. I also made a cylinder with a piece of paper and set it on top of the vent in the back to make a chimney.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Жыл бұрын

    That’s nuts!

  • @larsenmats
    @larsenmats Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video. I just checked my 1541-II now. Sadly, it's a newtronics. The handle is not recessed into the plastic. I got it for free quite a few years ago, so not a loss. And when I tried it a few years ago it was working. Haven't tested it since. I use my Turbo Chameleon 64 V2s for my 1541 needs. Too much hassle to deal with real floppies and a clunky floppy drive that needs it's own PSU.

  • @retrobitstv

    @retrobitstv

    Жыл бұрын

    Hopefully it still works and will continue to do so, like my primary 1541-II. I prefer to use a modern solution (1541UII+ or SD2IEC) for day-to-day usage but it's nice to have a working floppy drive for the occasions you want to use it. The "bad" 1541-II came with the recent auction lot so it's not a big loss since I didn't really pay much of anything for it.

  • @tenmillionvolts
    @tenmillionvolts Жыл бұрын

    OL means overload. It is telling you that the resistance value exceeds the range of the meter. A short circuit is one with a lower than normal resistance. This head has a very high resistance (considered open circuit). There is no short in the head. The corrosion has eaten the enameled wire away

  • @pauldeane8369
    @pauldeane8369 Жыл бұрын

    I have so many of these I have a literal wall of 1541s in my basement. Good for parts and the odd movie shoot. :)

  • @MatroxMillennium
    @MatroxMillennium Жыл бұрын

    I had to replace one of my Newtronics mechanisms last year due to this issue! Luckily I found a decent Alps mechanism to replace it with.

  • @Shmbler
    @Shmbler Жыл бұрын

    I read about failing Mitsumi drives years ago which made me look for alternatives. However both my Mitsumi 1541C still work fine to this day (both came "untested" from ebay). All of my 1541 drives are modded 220V->240V. I had two other 1541 giving me read errors because of defective bridge rectifiers on 5V, and a 1541-II giving me read errors because the cap in the potted PSU had dried up. Just because your Mitsumi 1541 starts giving you read errors, it doesn't have to have a broken head. And I'd still buy them untested if the offer is good.

  • @katho8472

    @katho8472

    Жыл бұрын

    And a 1541C with the opened jumper is so nicely silent :). I modded two of my drives by replacing the transformers according to the video by Adrian Black. So no overheating there anymore. And the drives became so light xD Oh and of course, luckily, no read errors here (all incl. 2x 1541, 1x 1541C, 2x 1541-II)

  • @Shmbler

    @Shmbler

    Жыл бұрын

    @@katho8472 My C models both have a board that doesn't support the track 0 sensor, but one drive has it actually fitted. I was thinking of modding the boards to support the sensor to reduce the risk of damage. I like the weight of the drive and won't mod the transformer out. The drives look and feel, the sound and its weight bring back my childhood memories like it was yesterday ;-)

  • @katho8472

    @katho8472

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Shmbler Well I mainly modded mine to not fry the chips ;)

  • @tetsujin_144
    @tetsujin_144 Жыл бұрын

    7:26 - Yeah "Powers on" usually just means the power LED works. Some sellers will use even more deceptive (or outright false) language like "boots" or "starts up" - indicating that maybe a cooling fan or hard drive might be spinning as well. And "worked last time I tried it" of course, is totally meaningless.

  • @MasterIntubator
    @MasterIntubator Жыл бұрын

    I don't miss the constant realignments. I invested in an Indus GT drive, and was a wonderful upgrade

  • @terosaarela4555
    @terosaarela4555 Жыл бұрын

    Just took a look at my two 1541-IIs. Turns out one of them is a Chinon and the other is a Newtronics. I haven’t really seen other than Alps model 1541s here. Even the C models have Alps mechs, although in those, I’ve seen the Newtronics mechs.

  • @freddaniali
    @freddaniali Жыл бұрын

    I repaired the head on my C128 D. It wasn't easy, but I did it. The wire is very delicate and it took me 2 weeks to do.

  • @KoopaMedia64
    @KoopaMedia64 Жыл бұрын

    This makes me really glad I went with an SD2IEC and completely skipped the disk drive and floppy disks for my C64. I still use floppies with my Apple //e because I already have stacks and stacks of them.

  • @10MARC
    @10MARC Жыл бұрын

    I have 1541's coming out my ears... Luckily about 90% of them I have been able to get working!

  • @RobertPLWitek
    @RobertPLWitek Жыл бұрын

    My 1541 workin to this day. Disk drive from first photo but with diffrent close mechanism beige colour. Two 1541-II units of My friend was break down within a short period of use.

  • @CathySiegert
    @CathySiegert Жыл бұрын

    Such drives can be repaired! It needs another defective drive (the heads still working) to switch over the head assembly. It may be difficult to do this and you have to adjust the drive before using, but the drive is working after the repair. In my workplace (a HP Museum), I have a lot of drives to deal with. The most difficult repair was on a HP Vectra QS/20 with two 5,25" drives. One was defective, the other one works fine. The difficulty was to match up the drive, so data written on drive A was reading on drive B (the defective one) and the other way too.

  • @xlncaustralia3261
    @xlncaustralia3261 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome video, although now I feel gutted as my 1541-II has the Newtronics mechanism inside. Do you know if the 1571 also used the Newtronics?

  • @nilswegner2881

    @nilswegner2881

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think the 1571 has the Same mech, because it's a Double sided Drive. But I might be wrong on this.

  • @stephaneauger1036
    @stephaneauger1036 Жыл бұрын

    i have 10 of those in 80's we are commodore re seller---i have still a lot of commodore stuff

  • @Apple2gs
    @Apple2gs Жыл бұрын

    Good to know! I'm an Apple II guy, but have a collection of C64's and had *no* idea about the Newtronics mechanism. Peeked in my closet and I have two older 1541 drives with push in-levers (a brown and beige) and two Newtronic drives (a 1541 with flip-switch and a 1541-II which I just opened, great!). Also have a third-party Indus GT drive, no idea what's in that but I think it's worth keeping, no? I really should look into that power-protection dongle (between the powersupply) for the C64, if they're still available.

  • @gamedoutgamer

    @gamedoutgamer

    Жыл бұрын

    Keep the indus drive! =)

  • @rasmuswi
    @rasmuswi Жыл бұрын

    If the problem is moisture, my first thought would be to try to find someone with a good vacuum pump and let the head sit in a vacuum for some time. Unless, of course, the problem is that something has corroded away. Another idea: AFAIK there are nutjobs who make audiophile phono cartridges, that hand-wire coils with impossibly thin wires for them. Would it be possible to call any of them into service to make new coils for the head?🙂

  • @andygozzo72
    @andygozzo72 Жыл бұрын

    i have a 3.5 inch pc drive that has an open section on one of the heads so a write off 😢i'm wondering if a fault in the write amplifier/driver blew the coil open, maybe similar issue with these????

  • @patkelley8293
    @patkelley8293 Жыл бұрын

    I'm trying to fix a 1541 right now. I have a bad voltage regulator. But I'm going to check the drive with my multimeter so I don't waste anymore time. Thanks.

  • @DarkHorseSki
    @DarkHorseSki Жыл бұрын

    I had the original 1541 drive, with the long board, and it was the drive that everybody wanted because they failed much less often. Further, we had a program that used to run that would align the drive head by yanking the head back and forth as hard as they could. I got that drive along with my C64 and a Gemini dot matrix printer for $1100 bucks (or I should say that my DAD got me that as I was all of 12 or so at the time.)

  • @mudi2000a
    @mudi2000a Жыл бұрын

    Back in the day I had the OG Alps 1541 and it never failed on me.

  • @delscoville
    @delscoville Жыл бұрын

    Glad my SX-64 and all SX-64s have the Alps drive mechanism. While it does get alignment issues, it's always fixable.

  • @steveschein2619
    @steveschein2619 Жыл бұрын

    It looked like the first measurement indicated an open not a short. A short would read 0.00 not OL. If it is an open it could very well be a broken wire at from constant flexing back and fort. I would make sure that it is not the case before declaring it beyond repair.

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