This and That: The State of the ISU, RUS, UKR and Team Tutberidze with Sports.ru's Maya Bagriantseva
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Today, the International Skating Union announced that the ban of Russian and Belarusian figure skaters will remain in effect. Sports.ru's Maya Bagriantseva joins me to break down with it means for Russian figure skating. We discuss the future of Team Tutberidze, Davis and Smolkin's transition to Georgia, real vs. fake universities for Russian athletes, Eteri Tutberidze's current interest level in figure skating, the state of figure skating, Alina Zagitova, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva, Alena Kostornaia, Anna Shcherbakova and Alexandra Trusova, and what we are looking forward to next season in the latest edition of 'This and That'.
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Dave Lease doing more for skating in an hour long podcast than USFS does all year.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@SecondPlaceYuya
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson I really appreciate you having her as a guest. She navigates Russian politics and Russian skating very delicately and brings a really nice perspective to the skaters as people and not as sports figures or mouthpieces for a country.
@Cooltiger28
Жыл бұрын
so true😄
@ingrid4587
Жыл бұрын
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@shantarakelian1998
Жыл бұрын
I agree! Dave works extremely hard to give us the content we want to see! Very dedicated!
No offense to Jonathan (bc I really like him). But it's really nice to hear Dave chat with someone who brings a different perspective on topics. I don't necessarily agree with Maya (or Dave) on everything. But I like hearing a civil discussion with opposing/differing ideas being shared. *Most importantly, you could still see the respect between Maya and Dave even tho they didn't see eye to eye on everything.* Great discussion! Hope to see Maya on here a lot more.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@maryloureiff6489
Жыл бұрын
In skating and in life in general..people should be able to disagree and be civil about it..
@colleenduffy1139
Жыл бұрын
@@maryloureiff6489 So true!
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
I agree. It was a great show.
Although I missed Jonathan this was a great collaboration. Maya, please join the guys more often. Dave, this was great! Thank you
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
This was great. Maya made the conversation real and transformed Dave into a serious commentator.
Phenomenal interview. I enjoyed Maya’s insights and her relatively tempered approach to the topics discussed. It’s rather refreshing. I’m a big fan of many skaters in Russia and want the best for them. I didn’t suddenly start hating them because of the war or doping scandal. I understand that Russia has a history with doping and that this is a larger issue needing to be addressed, but I also try not indulge endlessly in speculation and rumors, as it often times leads further from the truth and can foster hatred for others. Yes, rumors can also turn out to be true, but I prefer to take a measured approach, be patient and hope for the facts to be revealed in the end. None of us can afford to be naïve and assume that the Russians are playing out of the same rule book, but I will still operate based upon my own principles in the meantime. I agree with Maya that the senior Russian skaters have the most to lose from the ban. International competition and prestige is ultimately what most skaters seek. Without that, motivation to train and compete will likely decrease. I do find it interesting that there is so much sympathy for Sasha or Kamila, but often times Anna seems to be ignored. She in many ways has perhaps been shafted the most, as her position on the Olympic team was questioned, she was not the favorite to win (either over Kamila or Sasha), she won in the midst of great controversy, Russia was immediately banned after her win, and many fans of her teammates still malign her. Yes, she is making the most of things in Russia, but an Olympic gold medal offers more opportunities and she is currently restricted because of her government’s wrongdoing. Maya seems concerned about finding stars or interesting figures within figure skating in order to draw greater attention to our sport, especially given the decline in interest over the years. While, I do think it’s important that we maximize on opportunities to increase interest, I don’t necessarily think doping scandals are the best type of attention. I guess I can’t be surprised though since many current fans of skating, who seemingly hate Russian skaters, still lap up every drop of Russian skating news and gossip. The truth is, the Russian skaters are intriguing. There are some big personalities, risks taken to drive the sport further, and a lot of pageantry in how they execute the sport. So despite the fact that many believe the Russians are destroying women’s singles, they still also can’t seem to stay away. As for Kamila, I think my approach is unpopular. In the same way that Dave believes that Kamila wasn’t the only one doping, that she was just the only one who was caught (not an illogical train of thought, but would still need to be proven) I also very much struggle to believe that the skater favored to win gold at the Olympics just happened to have her test result come out right as things were getting underway at Beijing. Had this happened before, the entire course of events would have been altered, the story would have been big, but not on the scale that it was, and the Olympics would have had much less drama. I just have a very hard time believing that the timing was entirely accidental. If we’re talking about other skaters doping, or potentially all of the skaters doping, I think there is some irrationality to it and it would need to be taken on an individual basis. For the women, it’s assumed they are doping because they’re landing quads, but then it’s also assumed that the only reason they land quads is because of their low body weight and size, so their teams are accused of delaying puberty. Of course, girls like Anna are accused of doping, being malnourished, emaciated, mentally and emotionally abused by her team, and the profiteer of family money and influence. With this much supposedly happening to one single girl, it’s a wonder she was even coherent and able to train. Some of these things might be true, but some of these things are possibly not and damaging to the skater or skaters that critics supposedly care so much about. I also think at this point it would be very difficult and risky for all the athletes to be doping. The chances of being caught are too high. Where Kamila is concerned, we need to be honest. She’s an exceptional talent. I can guarantee this was not lost on Eteri and they probably raised her up like a thoroughbred. Some note her age as a matter of consequence or not. Truth is, she was 15 at the time. In any other situation we’d acknowledge her as a child, but because athletics says she can compete as an adult we throw that rationale out the window, but regardless, she was a child and really still is. And so it’s not that young people can’t compete and that in order to allow them to compete we need to instantly treat them like adults, but that we need to take extra care and precaution to protect them if we are going to allow young people to operate on such a high level, in such a pressure filled, contentious, and political sport. If we want to get to the heart of the matter and correct it, go after the adults in her life. Destroying a talent like Kamila out of spite, misplaced anger, or hatred for the Russian system is completely ridiculous. Finally, noting that Kamila has fallen behind some of her peers, is a bit odd. The accusations against female skaters in Russia, specifically those under Eteri, is that they have no longevity and will not be able to skate on the same level once their bodies change. We saw Kamila go through this change this past season and struggle immensely. She also clawed her way back and can now land quads and a triple axel again. Will her peers be able to make that transition as well? That is to be determined, so comparing them seems pointless. I’m very frustrated. As stated, I’m a fan of a number of Russian skaters. I want these skaters to have long careers. I do not want them to be done at 17 only to have us move onto another 15 year old who won’t last any longer than the girl before. This is a terrible way to approach skating and it needs to change. Lets go after the people responsible.
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
This is a great comment on the whole Kamila situation, my whole house was in trauma over the result and the delay. And even Scherbakova not being given a team spot for SP.
Maya is a great guest. Very interesting to listen to her POV.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@DeserveGold
Жыл бұрын
She is not a journalist but a propagandist. just look at what she and her colleagues are doing. they never wrote about how many Ukrainian athletes died at the hands of the russian 🐷, how many ice palaces and other sports arenas were destroyed by the russians, but they always write about Ukrainian officials said something against the russians. It's like they just said it for no reason. It's not journalism, it's propaganda. 🤮🤮🤮
While Maya replaces Jonathan here, Jonathan has to write an article for SportsRu in return.
I love Maya's passion for ice dance! Would love to see her back to talk competitions.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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What about Sotnikova? WHO? EXACTLY.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@EgW21
Жыл бұрын
Dave pronounced her surname incorrectly. He said “SotnI’kova, but it must be SO’tnikova. So it’s why Maya didn’t understand him at once.
Agree with her about Trusova. That girl is so driven. She’s the type that needed a coach that could hold her back to help prevent injury (& someone to make her work on skating skills more along the way). Her skating skills are terrible, but her focus & drive insane. However, she got mentally broken at the Olympics so I’m not sure she wants to compete in skating anymore. I’m hopeful whatever she decides she wants next that she didn’t lose the ability to drive towards a goal. Agree with both of you about Kostornaia. So insanely talented, probably the most talented girl that ever went to Eteri’s school. But her personality seems a bit more on the flighty side & I could see her being a more high maintenance athlete to coach. I worry that if she & her partner break up in their personal relationship, that could spell disaster for her continuing skating. It would be awesome if she could succeed at pairs, whether in Russia or another federation.
@Lennuci
Жыл бұрын
The point is no coaches could hold Trusova back. All she always wanted was 5 quads in her free skate and she is not interested in the rest of the programme. She says it herself. And sadly that cost her an Olympic gold. I don't think she was "broken" in the Olympics. She just let her emotions out and it was broadcast to the whole world. She is probably not interested in competing just at the national level right now but can return if she wants. She is into making money out of her name at present and Rudkovskaya's money-grabbing attitude and influence don't really help her skating career.
@ColorTheory-ki3rc
Жыл бұрын
@@LennuciI don’t get why people blame the coaches for Trusova not getting gold. Both she and every coach she has ever had said they begged her to focus on the whole program and she never would. Trusova literally says this herself, like you said. In the end she was wrong
Longtime watcher but infrequent commenter. Love the show as always, but I have to say that Maya was an incredible guest! Her knowledge and insights were very informative, but she communicated them in such a delightful and accessible fashion. Would love to see her on the program whenever possible, but especially when the Valieva saga reaches its conclusion.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
I completely agree with you. Dave has an enormous knowledge of skating but he needs to be serious, this lady made all the difference.
I’m glad Maya talked about the university system in Russia. Going back to Soviet times we would hear about all the skaters getting university degrees but yet nothing about them struggling to balance school with training. I always suspected they were given “degrees”.
Sunday is not complete without TSL. Great guest with interesting views. Also great shirt Dave! 😂😊
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
Great interview Dave! Fantastic to hear Russian perspectives!
@TheSkatingLesson
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This is why I pay for the Patreon supporting TSL. We won't get conversations like this in the main steam sports press/media. Thank you!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Thank you so much for explaining why Stepanova/Bukin likely moved to Zhulin. Agree it's extremely unfortunate but at least it's likely that they wouldn't have moved if they'd had a choice.
Maya B. Is the most honest Russian I have ever listened to. I enjoyed her interview and explanations. Hope to see her back.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Thank you for the update! Really can’t wait to enjoy watching. Was interested to see the response with the ISU with Russia. Hopefully with the Valieva case a result will happen sooner rather than later since the medalists it’s been extremely unfair to them from the Team event. They don’t have medals yet. Hopefully a resolution happens quickly before the next Olympics
Wow! What a pleasure it was to listen to this conversation! Such a great guest. Thank you, Dave!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
ISU including Yuzuru as an ambassador/commentator/performer would certainly be beneficial to them for the time being. I don't believe it would benefit Yuzuru in any way though. As a professional skater, he's getting more money, better treatment, and more creative control than he ever did while competing. Maybe, if the ISU implemented some of the positive changes proposed in the financial report, he would see involvement as worthwhile. But as it is, slapping a Yuzuru bandaid over the mess that is the ISU wouldn't do a lot in the long run.
@kuilaychua6265
Жыл бұрын
ISU can't afford to pay Yuzu ....lol
ive been trying to adopt Kostornaia for years
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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" When she starts speaking, it's not her strongest ability." I dont know if that was meant to be shady, but that was shady! 😂
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Dave, I love most fs guests that you have on the show, but legit, Maya is REALLY GOOD and you need her on more often.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Thanks Dave again, you work very hard to give us amazing content all year round! Really looking forward to all the discussions this year!
Great work. 😅we love seeing you. This is not complete without seeing TSL on Sunday
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
😊 thank you
What a great interview. Please have her back!!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I really appreciated this interview because it always feels like people think they are too “above of it all” to talk seriously about all these topics. The same feeling i had when you guys talked with Belinda, she truly pays attention.
So refreshing to listen to a Russian with a common sense. Thank you Dave for a great interview.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
I'm certain most Russians have common sense.
Wow - Dave - thank you again from the UK - and Maya your perspective and insights are wonderful and fascinating - thank you both so grateful
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
Fantastic interview!! Thankyou!!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Timestamps 21:45 Eteri Tutberidze 23:51 Diana Davis & Gleb Smolkin
And I agree, please have Maya on again, she is a great guest.
What wonderful discourse!
I’m ok with second chances for honest mistakes and true regret and contrition. State doping is not an honest mistake. If doping isn’t heavily punished, it’s too tempting to try to get away with it. I don’t care if the person has a great personality and great talent, the rules need to apply equally to all.
What a fantastic guest and what a treat. Thank you!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Fascinating interview!! Thank you Dave & Maya!
Very enjoyable & interesting interview, thanks! Love hearing an intelligent insider’s perspective on the status of current & future Russian figure skating.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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That was a really great show. Calm, well mannered conversation between two people who clearly love figure skating and touched on all the big issues without the cattiness. Without the Russian skaters the competitions suffer, but like last year I'll be watching the Russian competitions. More shows like this please.
Very interesting discussion! Thank you! :)
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great interview!
Very interesting! Thanks for this interview.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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This was really interesting discussion with Russian journalist with a different point of view, insightful, knowledgeable of the sport, and interesting. Really enjoyed it
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Love Maya! Great perspective and insight
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
A very interesting episode indeed, I hope Maya comes over again some other time😊
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Me too!
Great video!! Very interesting and not biased.
Thanks David for always have the important information and details in this sport.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Late to comment but I have to say how much I enjoyed this interview. I agree with the other commenters that you do more for skating than the USFS
I love Maya! Although I question her rationale on what qualifies one to be Georgian 😂 “lives in Moscow”
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
❤❤ It is much harder to move to Manhattan and be considered a New Yorker than it is to switch national teams in figure skating.
@xmyza
Жыл бұрын
I understand why you would think that. But it really is like that in Russia, if a person is Georgian, Armenian, Azerbajanian, etc, he would consider himself Georgian, Armenian, Azerbajanian, etc, living in Russia, even if his ancestors moved to Russia several generations ago. And people in those countries would also consider him a representative of their nation. That to be said, I agree it comes as a very convenient way of thinking if you need to switch national teams.🙂
Oh this is gonna be good...thanks Dave!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Such an insightful interview! This guest is fair and knowledgeable. A Russian perspective is always welcome, setting the record straight and bringing balance to the conversation. Thank you!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Really appreciated these insights
Loved this one!
Love this discussion. Lots of interesting & valid points.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Excellent interview. Maya’s English is really great.
Love seeing guests with different perspectives. Dave, you did a fantastic job of navigating this conversation. This is what journalism should be!
@TheSkatingLesson
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This was excellent, well done, Dave!
Thank you Dave!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I like the way Dave looks at all sides of figure skating and covers everything. He is right on the money with his observations. He can interview anyone and and glean information from them.
Nice interview, without the stupid ads every five seconds. Enjoyed hearing her perspective on Russian skating and skaters. And she is right-Anya, Sasha and Aliona were able to enjoy international competition and fame for an entire Olympic quad, the current seniors have been shut out and will disappear, by the time Russians are allowed back a new generation will be front and center. No matter how you feel about Putin and Russian aggression, it is sad.
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Or Bush and US aggression, or Obama and Russian aggression.
Really enjoyed Maya!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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Thank you Dave!!! As you both said it the interest in the sport is prolly at its all time lows...for example me...I did not watch the Worlds this year only the men...I stopped watching your show on youtube....I thought that this will never happen but here I am suddenly not watching figure skating...
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
I hope we have you interested again.
Loveeeed this!
Only part I disliked was Dave Lease mentioning, again, that my poor Sofia M. is not a star. Like Maya mentioned, it is the Senior girls that are most affected by this ban. Sofia would have been a Worlds medalist, had Russia been allowed to compete. Also, she is a star in my eyes
@xmyza
Жыл бұрын
Who is Sofia M.?
@Chastaken
Жыл бұрын
@@xmyza muravieva, the only watchable skater from russia right now
@xmyza
Жыл бұрын
@@Chastaken Right! There is Muravieva! I just firgot about her for a minute. Yes, she is a good skaters.
@elenabelyanina8952
Жыл бұрын
She is gorgeous skater, i mean her flow, skating skills and presentation
@elenamastiukova2787
Жыл бұрын
@@Chastaken there are many more talented female juniors in Russia, in fact anyone from the top 10 is by far more “watchable “ than anyone from world’s top 10 😂
56:52 Это точно. Заги сама тогда сказала (в 2019): мне кажется я только сейчас начинаю понимать чтО я вообще делаю на льду; начинаю чувствовать свои программы, а не просто шаги считать. Буквально её слова. Она умела выражать мысли пока не попала в телевизор.
@LaLa-ht3rp
Жыл бұрын
Кстати да, в документальное эм фильме rt, где они с Женей маленькие, она очень членораздельно общалась, что случилось потом? Вопрос
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
@@LaLa-ht3rp if you make a mistake in your speech somehow or make a typo on IG.etc.. it is immediately the number one news in sport24 and other crap magazines. yes, that can affect a young person.
@LaLa-ht3rp
Жыл бұрын
@@butterfly6546 it's not about one mistake, it's about her talent to be a tv presenter.Her vocabulary was richer during her early teenage years
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
@@LaLa-ht3rp have you seen the news about Medvedeva's stupid words that she lets out of her mouth, or the pearls of other Moscow girls
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
I agree, I thought thought the Me Voy was exceptional. But the people want the big jumps.
This is first interview i watched till the end
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Amazing. Same here. An engaging and informative interview.
"Thank You Dave" for making TSL part of my Sunday for years!!!🥰 ISU "Good job!"👍
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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The ISU is probably playing a wait and watch game on letting Russia back in. At the earliest, it could be post the Grand Prix season or perhaps next year. But given Bach's performative act of repeating the Olympic Athletes from Russia soap opera trope like a dead character coming back to life again, Russia will surely be back by next year and ready to try and contend for those three spots with the help of magically regurgitated performance enhancing glasses of water.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
I agree about them waiting to avoiding backlash
I enjoyed this interview so much- so informative!. I definitely disagree with the view that “all dopers deserve a second chance. “ And if this is the case, then many many people are owed that second chance - they never got it. Simply, this is not sound legal reasoning . Kamila is to be given a second chance because she is talented? So the rules don’t apply to her? Bottom line: the tragedy is is that she would most likely be quite good without doping, but doping she did. The rules are the rules. Fair is fair. The rules shouldn’t be changed because someone is young and talented. And, yes, the doping helped her. Did it get the quads for her ? No. Did it help her acquire them - yes.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Kamila gets the opportunity because she was a child, the results were delayed to cause maximum chaos. The deliberate destruction of a huge sporting talent.
@amyl6426
Жыл бұрын
@@tadhgcronin175 15 is not a child. She was caught doping . Plain and simple.
I would like Maya to discuss the internal conflicts within FFKKR and RUSADA. I hear the ISU and IOC both want them to clean house before discussing letting Russian athletes back in on international competitions…. Kamila is said to have been cleared of any doping, due to the FFKKR orchestrating a sabotage effort of her urine samples. Dr. Filip Shvetzky is stated as the guilty party carrying out the sabotage of Kamila’s urine samples.
Nathan said he’s taking a 2 year break for college. Because he wants to get his degree. But, in the meantime he’ll continue to skate in shows.
Майя, вот это да!!🔥🔥🔥
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
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I know it’s all complicated now, but in a nutshell: A doping test came back positive - what more is there to investigate????
@strawberrylime33
Жыл бұрын
I could be wrong, but I think the Russians are saying that the Americans infiltrated their lab and put in fake tests in order to blame the poor Russian skaters for doping when they so clearly were not because tarasova said so. And that there's no doping at all because kamila drank her grandpa's juice accidentally. There could be some other reasons but I don't know them.
@noemi5225
Жыл бұрын
@@strawberrylime33 it's comical
@pablogutierrez4968
Жыл бұрын
It has to do with the timing of the results. The doping test was taken from Russian Nationals in December. Why did it take the lab so long to give out the test results? If it had been done in a timely manner, Elizaveta could have replaced Kamila and the Russians would have still won the gold medal in the team event. It is very suspicious that they waited to announce the results when they could make the most splash…. Internationally. Labs should be neutral and unbiased and something just seems off due to the timing of the results.
@nl887
Жыл бұрын
You really dont understand how these things work do you there has to be a investigation as to know who to punish and what really happened expecially as a minor is involved and the adults around her are accountable
@user-bm3cd2vg3c
Жыл бұрын
@@pablogutierrez4968 100%
Bueno, a los que comprobaron un dopaje que simplemente apliquen el reglamento, esto no disminuirá el patinaje de la chicas rusas, existen muchas en cola que son buenísimas y realmente las competencias internacionales sin ellas ISU, son aburridas
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Boring is an understatement. The European Championships were unwatchable.
Never in my life, I expected Maya to be on TSL.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Why? She interviewed me last summer.
@LisaAllyssa
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson i didn’t know that, any plans to be on the Russian FS podcast that Maya is also part of? At least she was for the last couple of episodes, it would be awesome collaboration.
Wow good on the ISU. 👏It's been a while since they've finally made the right decision.
Oh wow what a surprise. I'm curious though, is it ok for her, that she's doing this? Given the supposed reputation of the Russian media landscape...
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
She lives in Latvia!
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Yes you are allowed to express your views on Figure Skating in Russia. In Ireland we have new hate speech laws and can go to jail. Ten times more people get arrested in the United Kingdom for social media posts than Russia.
Whooohoo!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Sotnikova is not remembered even in Russia.
@xmyza
Жыл бұрын
Of course, Maya remembers her. Dave just had some troubles with the pronunciation. I didn't get it either.
Is it a sure thing that there'll be no Russians on the jgp? It sounds like dave said Yes, but i thought they were recently got a maybe. Also, i feel worried for isabeau, i had no idea she's usually lying on the ice crying.
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
You need to join TSL Live. We watched her practice before Worlds.
@strawberrylime33
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson is that a part of your patreon? I'm thinking of giving up a patreon and joining yours instead.
This conversation made me reflect that Russia robbed their own skaters of their futures first, through people like Eteri... So many skaters deserved better than being doped, driven to career ending injuries, lowballed for not having the politics and missing out on national teams, or being in such pain that they are unable to enjoy skating as an adult. ETA: 100% agreed about Aliona!! Can we all agree to give her a federation on the basis of her talent!!
@elenamastiukova2787
Жыл бұрын
I always wonder how based on one and only doping case people can earnestly assume that loads of skaters have been doped. As for national team being banned that’s ISU’s doing. Other federations like tennis for example chose not to make individual players responsible for the government’s actions.
@user-zh7bp5ig8p
Жыл бұрын
@@elenamastiukova2787 Камилла не первая ,у которой был обнаружен допинг
@elenamastiukova2787
Жыл бұрын
@@user-zh7bp5ig8p ну называйте тогда остальных фигуристов, у кого валом обнаружили допинг тогда))
@user-zh7bp5ig8p
Жыл бұрын
@@elenamastiukova2787 Насчёт вала не знаю, но по допингу в ФК ,наша страна занимает лидирующие позиции ,если даже является лидером
@elenamastiukova2787
Жыл бұрын
@@user-zh7bp5ig8p имена, пожалуйста, кто там у нас еще в ФК с допингом?
Calm down there. No one is saying she is the new Michelle Kwan
We all forget that Zagitova is only 21 years old. She wouldn’t be the first clueless journalism intern/grad. Let’s see what Bambi can do after she gets up and off the ice.
@KiffiStinkt
Жыл бұрын
She can’t speak … and she didn’t improve at all after all this years. She’s an athlete and definitely no journalist
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
@@KiffiStinkt The queen of FC doesn't pay attention to the haters! The dogs are barking, the caravan is moving!
@KiffiStinkt
Жыл бұрын
@@butterfly6546 if I read the Russian comments and articles about her it seems to me that the “queen of FS” isnt well respected in her home county … quite a tragedy, if everyone makes fun of you cause you have a speech and the vocabulary of a Kindergartner 🥴
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
@@KiffiStinkt Zagitova, Matytsin, Karyakin and Ksenia Shoigu will speak at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum. go look for mistakes, maybe you'll find them
@KiffiStinkt
Жыл бұрын
@@butterfly6546 bruh should I send you compilation videos of zagitovas incredible speaking ability ? Even the journalist on this video right now made indirectly fun of it 😭😭 I don’t know what you’re trying to prove here
As for Eteri show selling tickets not well, what did you expect? The tickets for Eteri show times more expensive than Plushenko, Navka and Averbukh combined😅😅😅 people doesn't want to support woman whose daughter is having fun in USA while lying about her sports citizenship 😅😅 and people don't want to be robbed by greedy Eteri😅😅 Concerning state funding navka show, Maya is also lying , all shows in Russia are state funded including Plushenko, Averbukh, Navka, Eteri etc. Otherwise they would never started their shows in russia😅😅😅
@leraromanova118
Жыл бұрын
Однако, Навка больше всех получает финансировагия, судя по отчетам
@camilleong1668
Жыл бұрын
Much is the ticket in Eteri show and Navka show?
“Fair game, fair play” come on you’re talking about Eteri!
Poor Maya has some troubles that skaters like Trusova and Zagi want to have a proper education 😅😅 but she has no problem that Boikova is studying the same Uni as Zagi for journalism and many other former skaters are trying to be journalists without any proper education😅😅😅
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Ernest Hemingway, the very fine American novelist was a reporter and journalist who never went to college.
That's a good call idea for ISU to ban both 🇷🇺 and 🇧🇾 from figure skating due to the war in 🇺🇦 that the sports world doesn't allow hated at all, I clapped for ISU for deciding within the peaceful choice. And thinking banned them from the Olympics (summer and winter) is out of the question.
Russia and their manipulation, doping and Eteri bonus! Of course ISU and the judges favored and loved it and Continues to do so even today(2023) and the next season! Russia! 😳🤢🤮🤮🤮👎
She looks so much like Ana De Armas ha ha
Without big star personality’s(Medvedeva, Hanyu) and Ultra Ci elements (which really draw in new fans, see Trusova) the sport is just boring for outsiders and even for those who have been fans for years ….
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
What star is Medvedeva?
@KiffiStinkt
Жыл бұрын
@@butterfly6546 since you watch every TSL video maybe you noticed that even Dave Lease often voiced that she has Star powers/quality’s… 🥴 unless zagitova whos the “pretty&dumb” girl of RFS 🥰
@butterfly6546
Жыл бұрын
@@KiffiStinkt Medvedeva was expelled from the university because she was stupid as a felt boot
@Chastaken
Жыл бұрын
Medvedeva a star??? No way
@skatefan9495
Жыл бұрын
Disagree. Skating gained no new popularity in the US because of Hanyu or Trusova and didn't lose any when they were no longer there.. And skating is still very big in Japan.
Valieva is confident of what ? Doping and lying about it ? Now matter how much she is talented, cheater is a cheater. Should not be allowed to compete.
Lease invited the hater Eteri from Russia to pour a ton of slop on the head of the best coach in the world? I haven't heard it, but I'm assuming it was :)
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
It wasn't.
That's the case if Tuktik, she really doesn't know what to do outside FS that's why she still there and screaming ab her long career. But the only reason why she is there is lack of education, profession, occupation and lack of money outside state funded Figure skating. She got her salary from federation and some money from few shows she participated as a second staff. That's all. Zagi and Medo have their own path and a very successful ones outside FS. Sotnikova,Pogorilaya and Yulia have families and babies, and only tuktik still trying to do smth but haven't done anything at her age😅😅
І правильно зробила, що ISU продовжила бан. Росіянам та бєларусам там робити нічого. Їм не місце а змаганнях міжнародного рівня, а всі, хто має крапельку співчуття до них, мають іти по курсу корабля та відвідати Бахмут, Рубіжне, Маріуполь та затоплену росіянами Нову Каховку та Олешки.
@Iwatchstuff1000
Жыл бұрын
Agree 100%
@tadhgcronin175
Жыл бұрын
Crimea River
I like when they praise Anna for achievements that Zagi has, not Anna 😅😅😅 and mocking Zagi for all of that. 😅😅😅 but Anna's father is paying lots of money to many media in Russia including sports, but Zagi doesn't pay them a single penny. The truth is that sherbakova has no chances , cos rules were change, and all her technique problems is now punished, she is a skater below average who bought her way to the top, and Diana Davis is following her steps, that's all😅😅😅 Sherbakova manage to buy herself gold of worlds and Olympics, that's all. She has no achievements besides of that. And her 3 russian titles were even easier to buy😅😅😅 after anna 's despise Olympics gold, people said enough is enough, even federation refuse to support her anymore at the competitions 😅😅
@ColorTheory-ki3rc
Жыл бұрын
Trusova bots are so delusional
Кто бы мог подумать что ты такая либеральная русофобка, а... Твоя "жалость" к нашей молодежи смешна и убога! Это якобы "весь мир" должен стремиться в Россию - именно там настоящее Фигурное катание! То что происходит на якобы "международном" позоре ISU - яркий пример деградации вида спорта без Великой державы. Про "разочарование" еще смешнее - говори только за себя!
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@karmynch
Жыл бұрын
@@TheSkatingLesson here for the 🫖 Have always wondered about this particular Boss "T" account. 😆
@sayfrites
Жыл бұрын
Разве это не деградация спорта, когда страна не хочет решать проблему допинга? Допинг, который имеет место и в фигурном катании? Какую ценность имеет российский спорт, если он не справедлив?
@wotanworld5504
Жыл бұрын
What happened then? I thought you were reasonable or perhaps my sarcasm-o-meter melted before I read your comment.
@ivanpavlov3614
Жыл бұрын
@@sayfrites сказочку про допинг которую вы сочинили. Лей это в уши наивным простачкам!
Sherbakova is not lucky she and her father made everything to get her medals😅😅😅 she is the most rogue girl in Russian FS, everybody know how her father bribed federation, eteri and russian judges for her 100% changes of her bought medals 😅😅😅 trusova and nobody else had any chance, cos all russian officials' money bets were made for sherbakova's win at oly. No one would be allowed to win that Olympic. The money losses would have been huge😅😅
@user-zh7bp5ig8p
Жыл бұрын
💯 Согласна
@elenamastiukova2787
Жыл бұрын
There’s always someone who’s gonna throw stones at Anna saying her father had it fixed🙄 Just because you try to persuade everyone that he interfered doesn’t mean that he actually did that, stop spreading lies and actually think. If Olympic medals could be bought, could this dude or some oligarchs buy more? Russia is a rich country, but the total of gold medals wasn’t impressive at all. But most importantly, Anna was the only one who skated both programs clean, and she had 2 quads. Seriously, who else could possibly win? Broken Kamila? Sasha who’s quads are impressive but skating not so clean with less components? Knowing all this and still have the audacity to call Anna “rogue”… you must be so full of hate, go get help, girl
@ColorTheory-ki3rc
Жыл бұрын
Trusova bots are so delusional
@ivanpavlov3614
Жыл бұрын
Ещё одна сказочница пишет с кастрюлей на голове
Another boring season of fs without the Russians. Who ever wins will win unfairly. Try to deny it but it’s true
@Chastaken
Жыл бұрын
Nobody forces you to watch it
@user-ic1gj8dn4x
Жыл бұрын
@@Chastaken it’s just a fact I don’t watch them because Russians are not there I already know that it is
@skatefan9495
Жыл бұрын
Another good season of FS without Russian ladies. I do kind of miss Russian pairs but pairs is not the big draw.
@user-ic1gj8dn4x
Жыл бұрын
@@skatefan9495 no one makes FS interesting without Russians being there
@flywings111
Жыл бұрын
The athletes themselves know too that they only won because the Russians were absent. No one will remember them as great champions.
Why would any federation offer something to Kostornaya-if she will change her mind tomorrow 🙈?
Funny -she sticks with their beloved victim Camila 🙈,they are all same :once ruzzian(Georgian,no matter here) -always ruzzian in their heads
@meddena
Жыл бұрын
Watch out, your xenophobia is showing. And very insulting to say that Georgians and Russians are the same nation. I can tell by your comments that you're very young but you should really reconsider your biases and be more mindful of what you say because the negativity will slowly eat you up.
@ingrid4587
Жыл бұрын
@@meddena I am grand ma ,I was born in ruzzia ,raised in Soviet Union ,from military family -all colonels ,fought wars,my father was first liquidator of Chernobyl ,when I say Georgians,Armenians,some Ukrainian are same as ruzzians -means :mentality ,you know nothing ,just as this one who is being interviewed,clearly ,when they scream about Russophobia :they well deserved it an made it with their own hands :the most racist ,antisemitic ,homophobic country on earth :chauvinists ,so you see :don’t careful me
😂:such a lame dancer /Davis 🙈-feel bad for Georgia and her partner 🙈
WHO IS THIS? I love her already! :D
@TheSkatingLesson
Жыл бұрын
Maya is a fantastic journalist
@pablogutierrez4968
Жыл бұрын
Me too. I love journalists that say exactly how they feel. Loved the parts where she didn’t agree with Dave, because it shows she has her point of view and she is not worried about agreeing with Dave or catering to the American audience. Please add her to your future guests list.