Timestamps in progress: 0:00 introduction 0:58 -3:05 (around that is when it stops) unrelated to Figure skating but I’m assuming that Jonathan is at Disney. Dave can correct me if I’m wrong. Dave’s experiences at Disney.

@shomaunofan8486

2 жыл бұрын

3:30-7:13 team tuberiza pyramids (yay back!) 3:43 kamila 4:07 Anna 4:24 Tarasova and morozov 5:05 The Georgia guy (Morisi) 5:35 Trusova 7:18 Comment on European / 4cc at Estonia 7:57 European before olympics 12:52-18:08 Dave being stress after us national 18:10 European : pairs 18:20 tarasova/morozov 27:10 mishina/galliamov (27:25-29:25 on Euler/half loop) 37:42 dance 37:35 smart/diaz 38:43 hurtado/khaliavin 43:38 Allison Reed/Ambrulevicius 45:28 back to smart/diaz 48:46 Nikita yelling Marco to take off mask at podium 49:40 Italian team 54:32 stepanova/Bukin (also discuss on US dance teams ) 1:08:01 fear and gibson 1:11:11 next wave 1:12:46 russia team event 1:12:50 kamila want to do short (or one event) LP between Anna and Sasha 1:15:45 men team selection 1:16:46 dance selection (Kinda merge to men in European 😅) 1:17:47 mark kondratiuk 1:19:12 evengi samenenko 1:22:29 other men 1:22:31 Daniel Grassl 1:26:08 Kevin amoz

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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@shantarakelian1998

2 жыл бұрын

Oh no I wasn’t ready sorry

@shantarakelian1998

2 жыл бұрын

Timestamps continued: 3:30-7:13 the infamous Eteri Pyramid is back and rightfully so. This event was all about Eteri keeping it real. Ladies (Europeans): 3:43 Kamila Valieva, insanely solid in the short program so much so that I did not expect the mistakes she made in the free, albeit minor there were a few costly errors but she was so above everyone else that it didn’t matter. Better here than imploding at the Olympics (remember the free program at the 2018 Worlds post Olympics Alina Zagitova). 4:07 Anna Shcherbakova, missed the “cascade” in the short program which was a costly error but in the end it didn’t matter she did her job in the free. The free program is growing on me immensely. I didn’t expect the quad to be done as well. I watched the entire ladies event and the last two groups of Ice Dance. 4:24 jumped to pairs for a hot second, Tarasova and Morozov beating one of the Moskvina teams but could not beat Mishina/Galliamov. 5:05 jumped to mens with either Georgian men coached by Eteri. Most notably with I forgot his name lol. I’ll come back in revision lol 5:35 back to ladies with Trusova, I expected some mistakes but she missed BOTH quad lutz combos. Costly. Downgraded 4Lz. Missed trixel in short. I felt underwhelmed by her performances here. Better to have a rough event here than at the Olympics where it REALLY counts. Eteri wants 1,2,3 she didn’t have it last time because she only had 2 ladies and Sotskova was the third and not coached by Eteri

@shomaunofan8486

2 жыл бұрын

FYI I’m just adding to ur timestamps since I’m watching it 🙂 I hope i didn’t cross the line.

I really miss Alyona Kostornaya at the competitions

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@pgk3052

2 жыл бұрын

It makes me want to weep.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, i have had this thought way too many times and think I actually preferred Aliona at her best to even Kamila. That might be bc I don’t like the Bolero program… but I definitely miss Aliona 💔

@ileana823100

2 жыл бұрын

Me too .

@yohanes2034

2 жыл бұрын

@@1chienandalou at her best Aliona is superior to Kamila except for spins. Even then Aliona spins are nice to look at too, Kamila is jist more flexible so she can make more interesting positions (interesting does not mean always good or better than your standard positions). Aliona skating skills, jumps' height and springiness, and her character on ice are things that I missed the most

Dave! Angelochka Shcherbakova literally came through in the exhibition program 😍 in all seriousness Anna's mental strength is UNREAL!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@msmo2060

2 жыл бұрын

That exhibition performance was beautiful , esp with that glow in the dark dress…. I feel really bad for Anna, with all the hate that she has gotten this season. I’m really rooting for her to get an Olympic medal!

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I finally got the time to watch the exhibition. Anna was like an angel! ⛸⛸⛸

@feyanormorfol2457

2 жыл бұрын

@Yoana Balcheva there is no "textbook technics" because there is NO "text" ans no "book". Prerotation is unlimited, there is no such a stupid koolatrash thing as "fullblade assist" in rules and so-said "minimal prerotation" worth nothing. Or prove me wrong with link to the REAL rules.

@ThisIsBritt

2 жыл бұрын

@Yoana Balcheva The PCS situation has simply changed. They are judging what they see. If a younger skater has better PCS than an older skater, their age should not be held against them. Kamila Valieva and Anna Shcherbakova's artistry and technical abilities are superior to skaters who are older than them. Why should they be held back because they are younger? Their points should theoretically be even higher since they are doing this younger, and have had less time to reach the level they are at. Older skaters have less excuses for why their PCS scores are not there. They have had more time to perfect them.

The men's event overall was the highlight for me. I had kind of come to accept that Deniss would never have a free skate like that, and then not only did he, it earned him a championship medal.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@trylogic4084

2 жыл бұрын

I was so happy about that! 🎊 He came into the season like a beast. I never would have thought he could do this, either. Also, he doesn't skate like a carbon copy of Stephane anymore. And I like his hair the way it is. When he has it cut shorter, he looks too boyish to me. His hair is thick, and he has the bone structure, so he gets away with it. I enjoyed watching a bunch of the skaters that had scored ahead of him in the SP, lose their placement one by one, until he sat in bronze position. That's actually one of my favorite things to watch in a competition, as long as it benefits me. Like at Worlds when I was so angry that Bradie got 9th, and then I watched the girls drop like flies until Karen was in 4th 😁.

When Dave pulled out that pyramid and had everyone but Kamilla on that bottom row I fell out laughing.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@jenniferandrews7592

2 жыл бұрын

That toss of the pyramid at the end 🤣

@liceous

2 жыл бұрын

It’s an open faced sandwich with an olive at the top

Daniel indeed comes across as a lovely guy in interviews. Unfortunately he developed a concerning heart condition following a covid infection last year, and said he has had a difficult time getting his programmes and stamina back after being away from the ice for a while. He also said he has to take extra care as his heart issues make him vulnerable to covid. Proud of what he has accomplished at these Europeans despite all these worries, I believe in him and hope he will stay healthy and keep going :)

I know Jonathan saw S/B live and thought they were slow. No doubt, I see that K/S are wicked fast it's not close BUT S/B have been improving a LOT. For example, just look at how much bigger their pattern is at Euros versus on the grand prix. They have great material and clearly work very hard. I wouldn't write them off.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I haven’t seen either live but even on video it’s clear to me StepBuk improved so much this season. Their rhythm dance in earlier Grand Prix vs RusNats and Europeans seems both faster and more precise. And their free too and like you say, their patterns are bigger as well. SinKats are great but their programs don’t engage me as much this season. I agree with you to not write off StepBuk. I find the two pairs very very close in technical and presentation overall.

I have never known an athlete in any sport with the mental grit and strength of Anna Shcherbakova. I thought she was done for and we were seeing the true end to her career but nope! She pulled it out the bag and being there was incredible. The energy and charisma of her skating is incredible and I’m shocked at just how good she is everytime I watch her live. Watching Kamila after was weirdly disappointing, which gave me this weird feeling that she’s peaked at the wrong time. She was so good at RusNats, while here, not so good, in training too. I just wonder if they’ve got the timing wrong. Edit: not sure if anyone is interested but my Russian team event line up is: Women’s - Valieva short, Shcherbakova free Men’s - Kondratuik Ice dance - S/K rhythm dance, S/B free Pairs - M/G

@kirstenneville1934

2 жыл бұрын

I just finally feel so validated that queen POLINA shamelessly yet tastefully brought to light just how unsightly Anya’s turned in feet are. She made it clear that it’s hideous and hard to watch and i couldn’t agree more. I can’t enjoy her good qualities because of how ugly that turned down foot is.

@juanantoniomoreno3409

2 жыл бұрын

I know of one: Michelle Kwan.

@mkp158

2 жыл бұрын

Anna is a warrior, that's for sure...

@hannibaljustincase9985

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirstenneville1934 No skater is perfect tho

@fw7103

2 жыл бұрын

@@kirstenneville1934 not what I was saying at all but good for you I guess… Enjoy your validation from the Queen of Mediocreness.

StepBuk in person are really really engaging to me It's not the IJS System in itself that is the problem, it's the judges/judging.

@MrChaseBlue

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not the issue. They were referring to their skating, and overall ice coverage and speed, which could be seriously lacking in person.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrChaseBlue I’m not in person but I found those aspects to have improved greatly compared to the Grand Prix (where they were seen live in this context). Making a non-live to non-live comparison it’s clear to me they increased both speed and pattern size (ice covers age)

Mark has a very lovable personally, he's a great performer and the chaos enhances the performance. His team did a great job with music.

@Rachel-rs7jn

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Even with his lines not being the cleanest, I really enjoy watching him and always root for him.

YES! I've been waiting for this for the whole week! This is the highlight of my weekend!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

I think what the ice dance situation tells us is that USFS needs to put both ice dance teams in the team event, not just because it's what is fair, but because it gives them chance to go up against the Russians and Canadians and see how things pan out and what little adjustments they can make before the dance competition.

@etherealtb6021

2 жыл бұрын

Neither American team with win an individual bronze with those terrible Free Dances. Piper & Paul can walk through that door. Not sure why Marie France allowed these programs. I like the concept of Chock & Bates FD, but the music is garbage fir skating & goes nowhere. If they'd used Major Tom, it might've worked.

@maryspitzmueller669

2 жыл бұрын

I wonder what what would happen if Chock and Bates went back to the snake charmer performance and Hubbell and Donahue went back to the Beth Hart. Just for the Olympics! IMO their best programs.

@trylogic4084

2 жыл бұрын

@@maryspitzmueller669 I agree about the program changes, and I would have advocated strongly for the Beth Hart, but they used it at the last Olympics. Had it been any other year I would have been all over it, campaigning like an idiot.

@trylogic4084

2 жыл бұрын

I think that it's the fair thing to do to have both teams skate, but I'm hearing that they give the higher-ranked team the chance to decide whether they will skate one or both programs. I do know that they did that with the Shibutanis, who chose to skate both programs themselves.

@trylogic4084

2 жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 I think with teams as senior as H/D and C/B, Marie France is not in a position to deny a program that they want to do, unless it was something completely insane, then I can see her telling them that she won't assist them. I believe that she threatened Virtue and Moir with that when she didn't want to do Moulin Rouge at first. She told them to get another choreographer. Obviously they brought her around.

Dave and Jonathan - you are amazing for posting so early! Perfect ending for the Euros-Weekend on Sunday evening in Austria 🥰

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

How adorable is Anastasia Mishina? I don’t think it’s because they aren’t artistic, I think it’s because they skate like brother and sister.

@MrKaraal

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree with you

@il654

2 жыл бұрын

nah they perform a ballet piece like it’s the addams family

@yenlik5165

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this is exactly how they treat each other in their daily lifes. Like brother and sister. And I think it really plays a huge part in their consistency. It's better to keep it this way rather than getting personal issues into skating.

European was amazing!! Hugs from Hungary!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

watching Ladies FS and feeling nothing, I would never expect that. Actually, found myself rooting for Shcherbakova.

my favorite thing about sundays is to always wake up to a new episode of this and that :) thanks for contributing so much to the skating world :)

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

Am I the only North American that thought that the judging of the 2002 Olympic long program really could have gone either way between Russians Berezhnya and Sikhuralize and Canadians Sale and Pelltier, and had no problem with the original result of 5 judges to 4 in favor of the Russian team? And that gets a little cringy while watching Meddling and reliving Scott Hamilton’s crusade? And when the docudrama spends a large chunk of time to erect a sob story around Jamie Sale growing up with divorced parents? Not that I don’t give her credit for her fierce determination, but placed next to Berezhnya’s life, this move to gain sympathy comes across as extraordinarily petulant. And I don’t know who’s idea it was to dramatize certain parts of the story, but, to me, it really detracts from the level of credibility we usually associate with something billed as a documentary,.

@leonieshapiro8349

2 жыл бұрын

You are not alone, I am North American and I felt the same way as you did about the result, and I agree with you regarding Meddling as well.👍

@thesupremediva

2 жыл бұрын

I feel the EXACT same way. So tired of the Canadians bitching 20 years later. You got your gold. Please stop griping. Their program was old and easy, and I think Elena and Anton deserved a solo win.

@lisastiles1408

2 жыл бұрын

@@thesupremediva And forcing Elena and Anton to attend the second medal ceremony in all good cheer was simply cruel. Not our countries’ best moment.

@ThisIsBritt

2 жыл бұрын

You are not alone. Am from the US and feel the same way. Will not watch Meddling because of it. The 1-hour Netflix doc "Bad Sport" gave me my fill. The judges' choice for the Russians to get gold was not nearly as controversial as they made it. Not a good look for those involved (S/P) to keep pushing this narrative.

Such an exciting week of skating! My hot takes: - Mark Kondratiuk is the most entertaining skater and deserves his crazy PCS because he commits 110% to every program and performs the hell out of it, even if he cannot hit a nice position or point a toe to save his life. I enjoy that his coach reposts fan art of him as Jesus with a whip. What's not to love!? - M/G should do both segments in the team event, none for T/M. They cannot be trusted, even Eteri throwing death stares from the boards can't scare them into doing clean programs. - Daniel Grassl should get negative GOE for having his mouth open during his jumps and making his face look like the terrifying ghostkiller mask from 'SCREAM'

@stuckin2003

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed on Kondratiuk. In a perfect world, I'd have him in the mid 7s for SS; but definitely over 9 for PE/IN

@kellymoran7001

2 жыл бұрын

@@stuckin2003 totally agree! I wish judges weren't so conservative in their point ranges for PCS, most skaters aren't equally strong in all categories but the PCS scores rarely ever reflect the disparity. It's so common to see a skater get all 8s and 9s but never 7s in some and 9/10s in others!

@kellymoran7001

2 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Walker that’s taking what i said to an extreme but ok! don’t think anyone here would argue with you

@dkeinow

2 жыл бұрын

I loved how Mark was cheering for Andrei during the free

@redutlegalized9586

2 жыл бұрын

Eteri is the owner of provided ice for Tarasova/Morozov. Everithing in their ability in scating and performance is from Marina Zueva's training in US.

Eteri rlly need to hire a therapist for trusova, rmb the old man that always follow hanyu to every competition back then? I feel like she’s just lacking in her mental game because her sal and flip are 🤯

I thought it is worth mentioning....that Nikolaj Memola the Italian guy....I've never thought that I will see a guy who is 194cm( 6"5ish) doing a clean triple axel WOW....

@hoizgmischt

2 жыл бұрын

Hearing his height made my jaw drop!

@ariannabinaghi5222

2 жыл бұрын

I lost him the moment he said in an interview that he looks up to Trusova and Nathan Chen. Understood, you love jumping only I guess. To be fair, I didn’t watch him skate and I should probably do that before judging, but yeah, impressive for someone that tall

In fairness to Eteri as well this was the best T/M have skated in a very long time. She is clearly good at 1. Preparing her skaters. 2. Learning the rule book. 3. Politicking. I can see why Trusova and Aliona went back to her. I don’t care for badmouthing students and their parents. Encouraging skating with broken hands whatever is going on with food. I felt people were unfair blaming her for not being in the Kiss and Cry in the short with Anna and Trusova . That’s common with multiple skates and while Vallieva is the favorite people forget she is a first year senior

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I agree when tarasova and morozov are clean they are Russia’s best chance to try and beat the Chinese because sorry but mishina and Galliamov are nowhere near the Chinese level so I think even if they weren’t skating with eteri they would have gotten a little push because as much they seem to let us down, when they are on they are really on. However I don’t think them skating clean had anything to do with eteri. They have been with her for so long and have not been able to get their act together, it was just a good day for them I think. Also have you noticed how much friendlier and warmer Vladimir is being to evgenia. Since like late 2019 I noticed he was so cold to her and many people were saying that’s why she was always making mistakes because it’s hard to skate with someone who is not supporting you but now he actually looks at her at the end of their program and seems to be much nicer, maybe that’s why her skating is improving😭

@rahelhorvat1471

2 жыл бұрын

she can't be at the same time in two places, she had 3 girls compete, someone needs to prepare the next, and someone in the cry section, so it's not like she didn't want to.

@hajime6908

2 жыл бұрын

yep, Trusova and Aliona went back to her, for exactly the reasons you wrote. They knew without her they won't win at Russian Championship, European Championship and won't participate at the Olympics

@marikafasola8771

2 жыл бұрын

TM are so cold, they skate with no emotions...like two corpses..and they were in toxic and abusive relationship, glad it ended

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

@@marikafasola8771 were they actually in an abusive relationship? How do you know? No wonder why they look so depressed when they skate. But if I recall they dated for like 6-7 years

Loved Deniss FP and the chaotic mens competition ❤️

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for being so productive pumping out all of these wonderful videos. You guys simply rock!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

You're late with the comments. It is noted.

@johnseals1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson like Kamila, I can't be perfect every time 😉

I always liked Alena and Sasha, but Anna is such a fighter; talented, an excellent student and deserves Olympic success (but like others, I’m still disappointed that Liza and Alena won’t be there)…

We appreciate all the work you do and content you put out there Dave! Hope you have a good week and feel better :)

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, you too!

OMG the comment about Kirill being the pole and Sara dancing around him was hilarious!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Lolll

Europeans was a fun distraction this week. My moments were Loena in the SP and Deniss winning bronze with Stephane's excitement. With Russia winning nine medals here, there were some nice surprises. Also Kurakova was a joy all around.

@mumacc9254

2 жыл бұрын

Kurakova's free program was very emotional

@neuroscienxe9266

2 жыл бұрын

Kurakova was my highlight! Benoit choreography aside, her joy for performing is always my favorite to watch.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Agree re Kurakova! Really enjoyed her skates

@louisehancock324

2 жыл бұрын

Kurakova programs were lovely. Loena cannot compete technically, but her musicality and artistry was the best for me. I felt emotional watching her.

@MrKaraal

2 жыл бұрын

Kurakova is also russian girl)

Trusova Grassl side by side quad lutzes into their most challenging element, the side by side back crossovers

@hoizgmischt

2 жыл бұрын

I just guffawed 😂

It is so unfortunate that Trusova is not at 100% due to injuries and very unlikely to get the gold at this point, but don’t we all hope for a miracle to happen? There is no fun watching the Olympic fully knowing who will win and I cannot be the only one who hopes that a dark horse will surprise us all.

"Who do you think have better crossover, Trusova or Daniel?" I laughed so hard 🤣😂

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Anna's face when she saw Trusova's dress is my moment of the week. Such a meme

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@TayTayT

2 жыл бұрын

That was so rude. And people call her an angel 🤦🏿‍♀️

Anna’s gala program was amazing.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Finally got a chance to watch and agree, it was lovely!

@PeiwenTanbassoon821

2 жыл бұрын

I thought it was a good idea wasted by DannyG again…too many leg grabbing blocking the LED wings instead of showcasing them with beautiful extensions

Sorry, but Eteri Tutberidze not mentioned, like you said - if Tuktamysheva was with me should be doing quads all the time. She just told : "There is was a time when I was wondering, why she doesn't jump quads. I saw she's able to. No, I wouldn't invite her. And not because she's not interesting to me, but simply due to the ethical reasons, there is such things as a trainer's ethics". There is a big difference. And very shallow judgment, when you even don't understand, what she was talking about...

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

OK, I think that the issue isn’t that they didn’t understand but that you are taking a joke as though they meant some serious factual statement like in a scientific paper or something. They were laughing as they were saying it. Maybe that should be a clue for you. Honestly every time that Russian media/fans take this channel in full seriousness when they’re being humorous it ends up being more comedy gold. I love the whole Russian intensity and I’m even a quarter Russian but sometimes you guys need to have a bit of a sense of humor and figurative speech. Much love!

And why the heck cant danny g let anna hopd a damm spiral for a bit longer as she showed in her exhibition that she can do a beautiful spiral . Why ? Are the girls forced to skate to such a choreography?

@PeiwenTanbassoon821

2 жыл бұрын

and all the leg-grabbings blocking the wings...🤦‍♀️

Dave, the relating I feel is real. With work and now all this skating, ncaa and cheer has the nerve to come out… it’s difficulty being this passionate about these things. 🥰

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

Dave's interview with Angelina Nikitina was possibly the best thing I have ever read/listened to. The commitment to truth and character is _real_

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Every freaking time someone does the half loop combo whoever is watching skating with me gasps and says "oh they messed up!" and I have to explain that it's intentional. Ug.

Those 2 days between the women's SP and FP were the happiest in Dave's life, but it didn't last for too long 😏

Being live in the Arena at all events. Denis was stunning in the FP and SP! His programs seperated themselves out. He should have won Gold under fair PCS judging.

@yohanes2034

2 жыл бұрын

If I might comment and compared Dennis with Jason since both are having almost the same tech contents, IMO Dennis did not get the same level as Jason's appreciation for GOE and PCS. I felt Dennis GOE for his well executed jumps, spins and steps were small and PCS were not enough compared to what he delivered and gave in both SP and FP. That's how things are because he's coming from smaller fed and that is sad thing.

I was totally thinking about G&G’s jump sequence with that includes a half loop. The pass has a distinct rhythm to it that many people performing similar sequences today lack. ANd their synchronicity when they hit it was other-worldly…siiiiigggghhhh.

@laurielynne2006

2 жыл бұрын

I could watch that sequence on a loop for hours😂😂

Did anyone else see Danny G. close his eyes and let out a colossal sigh when Anna’s score came up? Dave and Jonathan, I’m curious how long you think this Eteri bonus will continue. You talk about Marie France being in danger of losing favor with the judges, but what about Eteri? The pendulum has to swing back the other way at some point doesn’t it? Thanks for the interesting discussion as always!

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

did he do that in the sp? Also to be fair at least marie france has the french who are obviously leagues ahead and to the general skating fans, ice dance is much harder to understand than any other discipline. So even if those who know ice dance can see that marie france has a hold on the judges, to a lot of people, they dont know. Unlike the ladies where even the lesser educated ones on skating can see when someone falls, when someone's spins travel, when someone's goe is too high, when their technique is wrong. I know its nothing big but with the top ice dance teams, its much harder to tell who is really not good and whos deserving of their scores compared to ladies. So i actually dont think this can go on for much longer. All was going well for her until russian nationals where people just had enough. I was so suprised to see diana in 8th after the sp, seems like the judges arent protecting her as much anymore. What im trying to say is more people know about the eteri bonus now, and its glaring how much its infected skating, so to protect the sport they are going to need to do something about it I hope that after these olympics she will be no more

@embeth446

2 жыл бұрын

@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 He did the sigh after her score came up in the free program. Very much looked like a sigh of relief. I agree with you about protecting the sport. The judging is becoming a joke. This can’t continue if they want the sport to survive.

Also, last thing: totally with Jonathan on Disneyworld. Went for the first time in my 20s, babysitting the bf's friends kid, and it was a most hideous experience. Longest 12 hours of my life.

I’m dying 🤣🤣 Dave’s having too much fun with that pyramid 😂😂

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

The pyramids are awesome! Love that he actually makes them and the delivery 👌

@zytolda

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson you should get ISU award for best Program Education and Entertainmet

Whenever I need a pick-me-up, I'll just go back to a freeze frame of Jonathan doing the Daniel Grassl Pez mouth open pose. I'm crying over here. 😂

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Ha!!!

My moment of the week was Smart and Diaz and I don’t even follow dance usually, but I loved them. Especially her.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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Ladies discussion starts at 1:32:26

I adore Kevin the same way I adore Shomo. There is just so endearing, heart-on-the-sleeve about them. You can't not root for them. And Kevin just FEELS and BELIEVES in his work - you just buy in and go with him, especially this year's FS.

I wanted to clear to everyone that I love doing timestamps as I have been a supporter of this channel since the very very beginning

@dee98

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your hardworks!

Yesss I can't wait to finish my euros weekend with new This & That!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Dave must be a proud dad this week

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes

guys you should activate english subtitles for who isn’t a native english speaker:( please!!

@mainaalmeida4246

2 жыл бұрын

I am watching with subtitles. I think they become available few hours after the video is uploaded

Love the sweater, Dave! You LOOK great. Any swollen gland is not visible. And may Jonathan make it through Disney in one piece. Thank you for another wonderful episode. Always a highlight on me week :)

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Fingers crossed!

@TheLkell00

2 жыл бұрын

Very Patrick Chan Dust in the Wind.

I don't know how you guys do it. I am emotionally exhausted after watching US nationals, Canada and Korean Nationals, then Europeans. I can't bring myself to watch Meddling yet! But got to watch before the Olympics

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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Trusova is now the Evel Knievel of quads. Time to lean in. Attempt 10 quads in the long, land 4. Win gold.

@rheinnon

2 жыл бұрын

I hate that this is a scenario that could actually play out.

@BmcC102

2 жыл бұрын

You are too right!

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh don’t give her any more ideas!

@redutlegalized9586

2 жыл бұрын

Its a pity for this girl, she is really unique skate jumper. And she doesnt undetstand her wrong direction which Tutberidze pushes her onto - still a 17 y.o. child.

@saraehtor7753

2 жыл бұрын

@@redutlegalized9586 Eteri destroyed every single quality Sasha ever had

Ah yes, Mr. Grassl beginning his long program by executing 3 amazing loops in succession.

I loved Anna’s free skate really ❤️

@pgk3052

2 жыл бұрын

She was storming the ice and taking no prisoners. I was never counting her out. I told my husband she is like A Knight Who Says " Ni "-She would have skated on one leg with bloody stumps for arms.

I have difficulty supporting skaters that are helped by the judges. Your honest skaters are such hard workers and don't get to see the fruits of their labour.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

I always root for accurate judging.

@youarestronger

2 жыл бұрын

Agree. It is not the skaters' fault but it is hard to root for anyone who benefits from cheating or biased judging. Also depends how they handle it. Patrick Chan was arguably better than his peers but when people criticized his wins over people who skated clean like Ten or Takahashi, it was the lack of humility or acknowledgement that others skated well that was so off-putting. Still one of my favourite skaters but made me like Ten and Takahashi even more lol And Nathan getting such high PCS when Yuzuru or Jason have better skating skills makes me not want Nathan to win. I dont want him to skate bad just want fairness

@louisehancock324

2 жыл бұрын

@@youarestronger Nathan does not get over scored compared to Jason or Hanyu. Jason is one of my favorite skaters, but unfortunately, Jason does not have the high technical content like Hanyu and Nathan. In comparison, Hanyu and Nathan both have high technical content but Hanyu has become his own worst enemy the last few years. He leaves a lot on the ice when in competition against Nathan, otherwise he is scored highly when competing.

@youarestronger

2 жыл бұрын

@@louisehancock324 Nathan's transitions vanish from programs. What Yuzuru does in and out of jumps is substantially more difficult and requires so much more control and clean landings. Nathan hops out of his jumps before you even get to see a running edge. What Jason does, no one else can do. He should always be far ahead of Nathan in PCS. And there is ji rule saying if you jump more quads you get free pcs points. If Jason's PCS is so much better, shouldn't he be getting free quad points. Nathan gets high GOE on elements others do better. Sorry not fair.

@louisehancock324

2 жыл бұрын

@@youarestronger All three of the mentioned skaters have specific good skills. Hanyu has good transitions but does not cover the ice as well as Nathan or Jason and his energy depletes as his program goes on.Nathan does not have the level of artistry as Hanyu or Jason. We cannot ignore the reality that this is sport and technical scores usually determine the winners in this scoring system. No matter how great Jason or any other skaters component scores are, skaters that perform multiple higher level jumps will win. I am not saying this is right, but a current reality.

Just a note. It is 39 lashes. I listened to the album constantly when it came out as a kid. I think JCS was my main source of religious education as a kid, because those sermons and confirmation classes weren’t doing the job, lol. Also Paul in second Corinthians 11:24 says “forty lashes less one”.

@nataliedaniels5621

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same thing. And, definitely, everything I know about the new testament is from JC Superstar.

I agree with Dave about Meddling. I’m really loving it❤️

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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@louisehancock324

2 жыл бұрын

The actress playing the French judge is so good. Don’t know if she is portraying her as someone drunk, on drugs or with dementia.😀.

My thoughts listening to this: Let's have a moment of appreciation and celebration for skaters (for example, Yuzuru, Jason, Liza with her jump quality) who ignore the out of whack judging and still aim to judge themselves by their own standards and develop to meet them. Skaters shouldn't need to be their own judging system to this extent, but it's still just appreciated. This also for coaches as well that aren't going for the cheated tricks. I'm just genuinely putting hope out into the universe for skaters like these to continue to exist against the current.

David, what happened to Anna being "your daughter"? Is you dislike for Etery so strong that it outweighs all the positive feelings you had for Anna? You used to be happy for her when she did such miracles in the past. She rose from the ashes again, performing another miracle and you didn't really mention it (Jonothan brought it up), you weren't happy for her at all. She wasn't even one of your moments of the week. And it sounds like you're hopeful she won't be able to do that again at the Olympics. How can you do that to someone you used to call "your daughter"?

@annakozlova2546

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, Luba, that's my feeling, too! I am so upset for Anna I start disliking this channel! Whatever there is for Eteri (I mostly agree with Dave here) Anna is a miracle, such a nice person and unique skater, I absolutely adore her!

@redutlegalized9586

2 жыл бұрын

What the hell feelings about Anna or anybody else have to do with bribing of judgement, cruelty in training children, at least 5-times higher percentage of physical injuries children obtain in Tutberidze's training compared to any other places? Anna is not guilty about that, the other girls also are not to be blamed, they just work obediently every day and want to win. But I am not to be expected to admire that Anna is brought to continue to win via doping stimulations, and if it works, the other children will follow the raw. Trainer's team should not use illegal methods in their work, and no reason to applaud if they DO use.

@marycoyne1889

2 жыл бұрын

Anna brought it in this event. Any gossip about her being left off the team have been put to rest. The fire and spark in the freeskate got me out of my seat. Sorry I think she deserves the spot on the pyramid just under Kamila

THANKS DAVID AND JONATHAN! You are such intelligent and knowledgeable people. I love David's sass and physical experience and Jonathan's ability to see to quality and to express it in words. At the end of the video you really were engaged and so honest. I love your posts more and more. I don't expect you to read through all these comments... but thanks anyway from a 66 year old figure skating fan from Scandinavia

Thank God for Sunday and another This and That!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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To me Ekaterina Kurakova is the most adorable and likable skater I've seen in a long time. She may well have had the event of her lifetime. I wouldn't expect she will be in the top 5 regularly. But a needed bit of fun and happiness when watching a 5 hour live feed with dozens of bland programs and disappointed competitors. I hope she keeps skating for a long time. She is one of the highlights if you are going to watch the 2nd tier group of women.

@PeiwenTanbassoon821

2 жыл бұрын

She reminds me of Kaetlyn Osmond. Always so genuinely joyful and makes me enjoy their skating no matter how they did.

@nenavujicin7882

2 жыл бұрын

Do U think that Kurakova ( or Loena) will be able to beat Wakaba or Kaori ( at Olympics) ? Well, i'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Wakaba finished at Olympics podium. Who knows.

Oh I've been looking forward to this!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

You guys made me go back and watch the Judy Blumberg & Michael Seibert 1984 Olympics FD as I had forgotten about it. They were fantastic and always judged as "North Americans".

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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The womens' podium was obvious. Valieva can have two falls in the Free (and even in the Short!) and still win at the Olympics. Too bad for Trusova; she had three falls in her programs. If only she'd stick to the 2A in the Short, go 3 quads and 3-3 combo, she'd be gold or silver. She has what it takes to be champion, but concentrating on just her jumps isn't helping her much in competitions. Scherbakova was going to be part of the Olympic team no matter what. Glad for Smart/Diaz on getting the spot for Spain; that Zorro FP is Olympic. Didn't bother with watching Pairs or Ice-dance, since this was an all-Russian event.

@sabitras3725

2 жыл бұрын

Trusova has everything to be battling the gold medal with Kamila, but sadly that train already left, it’s known from a very long time that she does not care about PCS, it’s has been mentioned before, I think eteri said once that she does not want to improve on those and even Yana, Plushenko’s wife said one time something along the lines that, if she had listened to plushenko she would have won worlds but she just wanted to do all these quads, so I think Trusova’s goal is to land all these quads and then hope for the best, but I feel like even if she does, they will give kamila the gold medal anyways based just on PCS

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think Trusova has much potential for gold but sure for silver. I do wish that she would take out the triple axel from her short - she just can’t land it at the moment in competition- and maybe go for 2-3 quads and not phone in the rest. I have seen her put more effort into her PCS. So she has it in her, but when she tries to go for the Axel or five quads, understandably, she just doesn’t have much else left. If the jumps don’t go well, she’s struggling to podium (and does so because she’s so generously scored). If she just would be a bit less ambitious with her programs and skated cleaner she would podium anyway Imo.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad you didn’t watch ice dance. It was really good. It wasn’t just Russians. Both the Spanish teams, the Italians and the UK were there and great, even if the French were not. I really enjoyed it. I look forward to the ice dance at the Olympics just as much as I’m looking forward to be individual competitions.

If I were RusFed, I would have split men's participation in team's event as SP - Mark Kondratyuk and FS - Misha Kolyada. I think it's too much pressure for either of them to perform two programs in team event.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

What is your lineup for the other disciplines?

@redutlegalized9586

2 жыл бұрын

Rus trainers board just published that Kolyada won't compete in team event.

@maximamaxima8718

2 жыл бұрын

@@redutlegalized9586 это решение не окончательное. Был опрос у специалистов, они действительно большинством голосов не поддержали его участие в командных соревнованиях. Мое мнение другое : Коляда - SP, Марк- FP. Коляда -« человек настроения» с неустойчивым спортивным настроем. Парень обладает уникальными физическими возможностями, которые никогда не использует в полной мере.

@yohanes2034

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Dave you should make separate video discussing team event participants from US, Russia, and Japan. I think those 3 would make the podium in any order depending on how other teams perform, like Georgia for example. It would be fun to analyze the chances like what if Morisi 4 saltoes cause Russia to finish 4th in men? Lol

@mkp158

2 жыл бұрын

@@redutlegalized9586 No, RusFed announced that "Матч TV channel" provided a false information and no final decision has been made so far. Furthermore, RusFed said that such voting on Kolyada didn't take place.

I will not stand for any Eva Lotta Kiibus costume slander! 😂 I love both her dresses. Sorry I have taste.

@patrickneedham3363

2 жыл бұрын

Especially her short program. She looks like a stained glass window

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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@stuckin2003

2 жыл бұрын

@@patrickneedham3363 Definitely. The LP dress is trashy, but I still love it. I do think the SP dress is legit stunning!

@strawberrylime33

2 жыл бұрын

I have to say, I don't mind her costumes either. It's better than the sweetheart- neckline-bedazzler collection from Brad griffies or those Olga dresses with a white slip peeking out of the bottom!

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t mind her costumes either

Dave being Eteri with the Eteri pyramid is something i never knew i needed until now. It is incredible and so accurate.

I have to say, team StepBuk really convinced me with this outing. They just looked a bit faster, stronger, and smoother. Sasha, and her long legs especially, just looks so floaty and dynamic when she's controlled. I love the mum opening piece but still dislike the R&J vocal edit. Still, the music is better than most of the other top teams this season, IMO. The judging in the Women's event is just....I can't even. It's such a hot mess. Obviously the judges haven't read the judging book for this quad and it's most noticeable in this discipline. Moment of the week: Deniss! Short Deniss, long Deniss, medal Deniss, gala Deniss....so happy for him! Edit: The Eteri Storyboard this week was a 10....with a +5 GOE!

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I’m also liking StepBuk. SinKats programs are not as compelling to me. They are very close IMO but SinKats gets scored better.

@redutlegalized9586

2 жыл бұрын

Sasha is a really beautiful girl!

I need to watch that video about valieva's short programs :) someone send me the link, please

I’M DYING!!!🤣 love your show!!! The impersonations!!🤣🥳🥳🥳

Okay but how about Sasha Fear? This was the first time I watched this team, but I actually enjoyed the Nutcracker far more than the Lion King. I find Sasha to be a stronger skater than Lilah. And George is the Waddell brother of the Canadian junior national champ? It will be interesting to see them compete against each other in the future.

Thank you for sharing my thoughts on Eulers lol. I thought I was alone.

I agree with you about the Euler comment. And the way that so many skaters take off on two feet for their salchow after an Euler-which does not seem to generate the negative GOE it should.

Anna's ability to deal with pressure is something I admire, others would have had a total meltdown in the free facing the same pressure, wow! The PCS for all the Russian ladies were just ridiculous -- I swear there's a rule somewhere that you shouldn't get a 9 PCS if you fall, and in any event none of them should be getting 9s. Anna maybe 8, Trusova solid 7, Kamila 8.5, something like that. Also, just chuck the GOE guide out the window, clearly it's just moral guidance at this point :P

@specialj67

2 жыл бұрын

ITA. As a competitor, she is one of the best. As a skater, I just don’t see how her high scores are warranted. If what Anna does qualifies as worthy of 9s for skating skills, then what the eff do skating skills even mean anymore 🥴

@Chastaken

2 жыл бұрын

It's easy to deal with pressure when you know the judges are going to give you high scores no matter what. Anna started being consistent when Aliona and sasha left eteri and she was the only one with eteri bonus, suddenly her pcs were around 9. And kamila started being consistent since she saw her scores in finlandia. Yes, magic.

the tea that is about to be spilled......

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

100%

Benoit's choreography has been shocking this season. I don't care if Grassl wants to get his choreography from there, but Kaori getting a program from him is disappointing, and even Kurakova, I don't think shows off her personality and style

Dave’s daughter comes through when it counts🙃🙃😱

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

A perfect cure for Sunday evening anxiety. Thank you!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree about M&G's music. I think they're great but the music is so wrong for them. (Plus the cut will never make sense for me.) I remember feeling like when I first heard it that Moskvina didn't want them to win.

@nenavujicin7882

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, yes, agree !!!!!!

@maximamaxima8718

2 жыл бұрын

Вы не правы. Москвина фанатичный тренер. Эта музыка- история её жизни , жизнь во времени и в развитии.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. B&K free program is so Olympic compared to M&G

@Rachel-rs7jn

2 жыл бұрын

@@1chienandalou Yes, totally! I greatly prefer M&G's skating, but B&K's program is the one I actually want to watch this year.

I love Machina and Galiamov. I soooo hope they can win the Olympics. Boikova and Kovloski were clearly in a strop at the press conference - taking off the medals and him sat with his arms crossed and in a huff.

@nenavujicin7882

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget Sui-Han, a serious candidate for Olympics gold .

@trylogic4084

2 жыл бұрын

Are you kidding me? What's up with people that do that? It's so unprofessional and unsportsmanlike. I've seen people do that with Olympic medals, as well. Like one of the Canadian women on the hockey team when they lost to the US after 20 something years of winning. She took off her silver medal as soon as the lady that gave it to her walked away. It became a bit of a scandal. As it should have.

@sabitras3725

2 жыл бұрын

B/K are always super rude if they don’t win, it looks like they think they deserve to win all the time but honestly they have been judge fairly recently, I want to like them and they are really good but I feel their attitude is going to be the doom of them

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhah am I not allowed to have my opinion? I just said I liked her outfit so what? Plus it was a joke you. I don’t like any of these pairs more than the other as pairs isn’t my area of interest at the moment but wow… you guys need a bit of sense of humor to to chill. Downvote away like I care… I wish you all the best anyhow.

@janetwatkinson745

2 жыл бұрын

@@sabitras3725 B/K seem like bad loosers Bad attitude .I really like them though.Perhaps it would be better for them to not have the same coach as their team mates and rivals?

Solidarity on the Disney struggle! I grew up in an anti-Disney household cuz my mom had worked DisneyLAND giving Japanese tours & hated it.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

I've been thinking. Maybe Jason Brown should employ the Trusova Method to move up in the rankings. Just make all the jumps "quads" and that way the falls won't really matter.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Ha!

@TC-kl6kb

2 жыл бұрын

Quad with fall is less points than a good triple. Maybe use a calculator next time…….

Thank you for the video :) kisses and hugs from Perú :)

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Great analysis as always! Please provide a TSL coverage of the NCAA women’s gymnastics!!!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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So grateful for the “Meddling” recommendation as I wasn’t too excited about rehashing this thing again, especially after “Second Mark” and “Bad Sport”, but you’re right… it is on point!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

You're so welcome!

@maryspitzmueller669

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson give me all the St. Petersburg fluff

Some of the judges in the women's were actually so entertaining. The French judge opening her eyes and giving accurate GOEs, what I assume was a Russian judge giving +5 and 10.00 to the Eteri girls regardless of performance and +1 and 8.00 to everyone else regardless of performance, the 5 point variations on these protocols. OOF the drama the politics the possible bribes

@natalievangilder4688

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-pz5yx4pb3e Absolutely agree - miss Veronique is an icon of the whole event

I love this Aly Raisman honestly! Because of her inner beauty, fans are rarely honest about her gymnastics. And this comes from someone who was also an Aly Raisman gymnast! I know I was not the prettiest, I had a classical Brestyan’s sort of neckline (asI I have a thicc a$& neck) but gosh darn it, I got the job DONE! And also, just the fact that you are not the most best on your gymnastics team, does not mean that you are not in the top 1% of beautiful people in real life. so that’s just my 2¢ ❤️

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

She is one of my favorite gymnasts to watch!

Fave moment is when the nepokids got pulled back down to Earth with their scores. Then again, if I was a different skating federation, I would have overscored them to the moon so I could loosen Russia's hold on that gold medal team position.

I'm with ya Jonathan, not a fan of Dismal World either. WAY, WAY, WAY TOO crowded for me. There should be a limit to how many people can be in the park at one time, and OMG the frigging price to get in. Not for me and I'm a roller coaster fanatic, but I ain't paying that much to maybe get to ride three coasters in 10 hours at the part, due to the waiting times.

Watching this on a long car ride because I can’t wait until I get home to hear your take on the Europeans! And Jonathan I agree with you 100% on Disney World! Took my kids once, and never again!

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

@fbueller

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t imagine to going to Disney right now with Omicron. Hope you make it back safely.

I will do timestamps today! I will need a few hours to do so so I will most likely be done by end of day today! Sorry for the inconvenience everyone!

@thewaitisogre

2 жыл бұрын

if you’re trapped in the skating lesson basement blink twice

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Ha!!

@shantarakelian1998

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewaitisogre second comment like this haha

@shantarakelian1998

2 жыл бұрын

@@thewaitisogre I love doing this! It makes my day

lol Jonathan is my imaginary best friend/twin from ice dance taste, to that demurring laugh on the … Nutella joke! But in a still here for it way, you know. And David, your Russian accented English - with the accompanying faces and gestures - always impresses, but feels like it’s getting even more natural lately! Thanks guys! ⛸❤️⛸

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

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Are you guys watching Jr Rusnats? Can't wait for the Eteri vs Plushenko showdown. Do you think Plush gonna have better results now that Etei has her hands full with the Olympics. Also waiting for Kagapol (Kaganovskaya/Angelopol) they will save us from Diana Davis in the future.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I do cause plushenko skaters seem to actually have good technique. I think he has seen the mistakes eteri is making and will not be teaching the same technique to his skaters

@nenavujicin7882

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a big fan of my Beloved King Plu; and he's on the way to become a promising coach; but don't forget Davidov's students ( especially 14yo Samodelkina who landed 3 quadruple jumps + 3Axel.)

btw Deniss actually landed a quad salchow for the first time (and the last until now) at 2020 nebelhorn

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

I totally agree with the half loop discussion. Many, many times I'm watching and think they've messed the jump only to see it show as a half loop on the score box. It often looks like a way to "save" a bad landing. I kind of hate them most of the time as they look so terrible.

Nah, I don't agree re: Euler's I don't think it's b/c ppl are overthinking, I think it looks bad b/c people are falling out of their jumps and then add a F or S to give the illusion of it being an Euler when it was just them falling out of a jump then slapping on the second with zero speed.

@TheSkatingLesson

2 жыл бұрын

Have you ever done one?

@corgeousgeorge

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson LOL, TONS! Soooo Many, it's all over my instagram as well as my Midori Ito esque 3a. Jonathan was correct about how it seems that when the first jump is bad and they step out of it they go up for a second to make a Eu+ combo instead of losing GOE on the first jump that they stepped out of.

@1chienandalou

2 жыл бұрын

But if they did that you could know as it would not be in their program. And almost all jumps with eulers are in the planned programs. I think this can and sometimes may happen but could not be as often as you imply.

@corgeousgeorge

2 жыл бұрын

@@1chienandalou oooh, good point, didn't think of it that way but c'mon tho, a LOT of those look so much like step outs. I miss my Surya 3T Eu 3S combos LOL

@yohanes2034

2 жыл бұрын

@@corgeousgeorge in my opinion they should punish bad looking euler. Like even if they don't mean to mask a step out from the jump. Many good example of euler like Yuzuru, Nathan, Misha, etc. Should be gold standard. Aliona even how much I love her can't do good euler and Mishina is one example of the most egregious one.