This truck needs to do the Ike Gauntlet towing 30,000 lbs.

@eldridge201

Жыл бұрын

30k for this truck would be considered medium to heavy as far as weight so it shouldn't be a problem. I believe these trucks are rated at about 36k or maybe a little more for towing capacity. (I haven't verified that so it may be more but I believe last year's models were about that)

@cesargallardo943

Жыл бұрын

Just whatever the max is on that bad boy "Super ike gauntlet"!

@benskatesforgirl101

Жыл бұрын

@@eldridge201I thought I heard it was like 40-45k towing.

@Summitpavingcontractors

Жыл бұрын

it will be a dog going up it!

@JenxTech

Жыл бұрын

Depending on config they go up to 40k towing.

My 2020 F450 always blew my mind with power and turning radius. They are faster now with 1200 lbs feet...

@qwoozy

Жыл бұрын

The 550s are pretty commonly used as Type 6 wildland fire engines. They do indeed have a great turning radius. Definitely tighter than my short bed F150. Tons of problems with the transfer cases though, at least in the 2016-2018-ish ones I used to run.

@germanomora6345

Жыл бұрын

Love it ❤❤️ 😊😮😮

Andre, you’re the truck guy! “High Country?” 😂😂😂 I forgive you this time!😊

@TFLtruck

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@DoubleTap1115

2 ай бұрын

That was my comment!! 😂

Andre you and Mr. TRUCK need to Run this baby up the mountain on Saturday!

good thing they don't have a high country because GM would probably sue the hell out of them lol

@richfarfugnuven6308

Жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing...

@leoarellano95

Жыл бұрын

When I heard that I was shook lol

@aricegana2382

Жыл бұрын

I was shocked too.

@troydennis8561

Жыл бұрын

I'm positive it's nothing like a chevy!!! And in case nobody has noticed chevy has been coping every one else's ideas for years! "New" corvette is knock off cheap Ferrari, and they copy ford's best truck ideas then make sure they are comfy cozy for little bitch boy chevy guys.

@evankaiser6588

Жыл бұрын

He meant king ranch

My 2012 F550 with the 6.7 went over 600,000km on original powertrain before i sold it. My 2015 is stilla beast. These trucks are hp limited out of the factory for longevity. It used to be 300 and 330hp. Most are geared at 4.88 tho some at 4.30 ratio. 0-60 in these will never be great.

@samgford

Жыл бұрын

They may not be great 0-60 but they'll be consistent... With or without a load.

@KyleJewell

Жыл бұрын

@@samgford exactly. They just go. I used to pull 30,000+ daily with mine. Never let me down

@KyleJewell

Жыл бұрын

@@Rollochrome longevity. They dont have the same hp as the f350s.

@duramaxadventures5832

Жыл бұрын

@@Rollochrome these can run WOT for literally hours. f350 cannot without pulling power. same with why the power builds and becomes available at higher speeds. longevity for their intended use.

@jimmyaber5920

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Rollochrome it is a few things. Emissions at wide open high load would be tough and have risk of catalyst and DPF meltdown. The SCR and DPF are in swapped positions. Class 4 and 5 are purchased by businesses for emplyees to use. Fast and high speed is not on the list of needs. More HP=more fueling=worse mpg.

I've always had a pipe dream of owning an F550 like this.

@shoutingatclouds1050

Жыл бұрын

No you don't

@BrandonLeech

Жыл бұрын

They ride like crap without any weight on them and usually have gearing that’s too slow

@carguy0389

7 ай бұрын

@@BrandonLeechoh no!!! You just described a damn truck!🤡

Just changed oil on my 2012 F450. Has 352k and still running strong.

4L axle code is a 4.30 limited slip axle. The chassis trucks have an industry standard frame size, and width for all the different options that can be put on them, anything from the utility bed you mentioned, to an ambulance body, wrecker body, etc. If you look at the frame of a standard pickup, the frame has several bends and dips in it making it a pain to try and install any aftermarket type bed options. I wish on the F250/F350 that Ford would offer them with dual tanks like they used to.

We need a Super Ike with this...

@TFLtruck

Жыл бұрын

That is coming next month!

A coworker was just mentioning this tighter turn radius and ordering an f450 because of him needing the tighter turn radius that his f350 can't do

In the commercial truck world, this would be classified as Medium Duty.

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

Yes, everything in the SuperDuty line is a medium-duty truck... except the heavy-duty F-750. Andre uses the common but confusing term "heavy-duty pickup", which means heavy-duty compared to other pickups, even though compared to trucks of all kinds it is still only medium-duty.

@OhioPalmTrees

Жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 wrong, 350 and below are considered light duty

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

@JustaKidTrying2MakeIT you can put any label you want on anything. US federal regulators have definitions, in which an F-350 is not light-duty.

Please do more videos on Liquid Spring

Cool to see a look at commercial truck platforms. I know BigTruckBigRV is big on the F450's and up for that wide track front axle setup. The turning radius is probably the biggest selling point on the F-450 over the F-350. The commercial tires are also another factor, over the F-350.

@skoffco

Жыл бұрын

Also, larger brakes, and larger, half shafts in the axle.

@aroundthegroundlandscaping7107

Жыл бұрын

Be ready to pony up for the tires though more expensive when replacing down the road

Andre excellent video on a very capable truck! An interesting impact of Ohio regulation on landscaper and small business demand for these vehicles is that even though those businesses would operate more safely with this truck they pick an F350 instead and potentially run overloaded more often. The reason is that the combined weight of a trailer hauling a skid steer and the GVWR of a F450 or F550 puts them in CDL territory and thus makes worker recruiting much more difficult. So a safety regulation pushes some operations towards less safe practices via running around with overloaded trucks.

@Cloud30000

Жыл бұрын

Wait, the state is requiring commercial drivers to have commercial licenses to prove they are trained to safely tow the skid steer? The nerve!

@matthewanderson9912

Жыл бұрын

The F350 with a 14,000 GVWR trailer would also exceed 26,001 pound federal class A cdl requirements. A SRW might come in lower but I’m not sure. I know a GM 3500 SRW diesel has a 12,100 GVWR and so even it towing a 14,000 GVWR trailer would require a class A CDL if it’s being used for commercial use. Non commercial use would of course be dependent on state laws.

@briandavis8064

Жыл бұрын

Class 4 and 5 trucks are not CDL territory at all. Neither are most class 6. You have to have a GVWR (Weight of just the truck, payload and passengers)of 26,001 or more. Class 5 tops out at 19,500 and class 6 tops out at 23,500. Not even close. Gross combined weight rating (truck + trailer) is completely irrelevant when it comes to CDL.

@matthewanderson9912

Жыл бұрын

@@briandavis8064 you’re incorrect. Class A CDL requirements are this: any combination vehicles that exceed 26,001 GCWR and the trailer has a GVWR of 10,000 or more. So a 26,000 GVWR truck towing a 9950 GVWR trailer would not require a Class A cdl. But a 12,100 GVWR truck towing a 14,000 GVWR trailer would because the GCWR is 26,100 and the trailer GVWR is over 10,000.

@slmjake

Жыл бұрын

@@briandavis8064 sir not in ohio. Weight of truck and trailer are part of the equation

It would be great if the F550 came with the option to have the High Output engine in it and then have Elevation Off-Grid do what they do with it!

@carguy0389

7 ай бұрын

Delete and tune+ intake and you’ll blow by a stock HO

Great video as always! I’m hoping y’all go off road! Hopefully it fits on some of the trails lol

The funny thing is that I have seen more F450/550 chassis cab trucks on the road than the pickup truck version of the new generation.

Andre, you should get an engineer to talk about duty cycle and how its different from f350 (commercial is rated for 100% continuous power vs the pickups) maybe get them to bring 1/2 tons into teh discussion as well.

If you're going to test commercial cab-and-chassis regularly you'll need a test weight to bolt onto the chassis. That also means a forklift to transfer it between trucks and into/out of storage. All and all a big investment but I'd love be a fly on the wall at the equipment dealer: "What sort of business do you need the forklift for?" "Our KZread channel..."

I’d love to see a 1999-2003 7.3 2001-2003 6.6 1997-2001 5.9 Vs 7.3,6.4,and 6.2 gas in an Ike gauntlet. Use a 14k load on all.

@CoyoteFTW

Жыл бұрын

Ford wins

@grantmcclelland9920

Жыл бұрын

I have owned almost everything on your list (along with a few Dodge diesel dually) the 2023 F550 as far as “Workhorse” has them all beat! The f450 is my favourite, it's solid and not d-tuned like F550

F450-600 should be required for Towing anything over 20,000 lbs.. The 19.5 wheels fit a much larger rotor/ brake.. And heavier overall for better control

@duramaxadventures5832

Жыл бұрын

dually brakes have been maxxed out for YEARS its crazy teh capacities kept raising. i believe teh New HD FINALLY have bigger wheels and brakes

Please please please do an Ike Gauntlet MAX towing with an F550 !! :)

So how many amps is the alternator in this chassis cab truck? I would hope 200-plus.

Wouldn't mind seeing the build on this truck by EOG. Great review, Sir! Can't wait to see the F350/450 EOG Black review!

I’m going to pick mine up next week, having a Martin aluminum flatbed installed with a gooseneck hitch

Be aware that any tire size above 37” is going to throw codes when making sharp turns, to erase them you just have turn the truck off and restart them to clear the codes

Love the Super Duties baby!! But as usual the price is craaaazy! it’s really attractive looking but old grille was better. Can’t wait to be able to afford one that’s dream car/truck number 3😂

The upfitter switch location is nice. So is the interior. I see they are trying to compete w the Ram limited

Pretty sure the Upfit Integration removal is due to constraint. Was supposed to be standard on C&C

If you mount a "standard" (designed for a production pickup) pickup bed on it, you don't just need to modify it to mount on the frame - you also need to fill in the extra 100 mm (4 inches) or so gap between the cab and the front of the box resulting from the cab-to-axle (CA) dimension not matching the pickup. A pickup with an 8-foot box typically has about 56" CA, and chassis-cabs come in industry-standard CA of 60" and longer (84", 108" with shorter cab). It's not intended to be a pickup truck.

well no one buys a f550 and uses it without a bed or trailer. 😂

Does you back driver side rim get gritty feeling black specks on it? All three of our new 2023 superdutys has this same issue ?

Some years ago I was shopping pickup trucks & was pleasantly surprised to find an F350 SRW was only $600 more than the F250. So thats what I bought. Not long ago I was curious how much more An F550 is that an F450. WHOA!!!!!!!! $20,000.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy Crap!!!! I guess there must be more to an F550 than a couple of more spring leafs. !

What’s taking so long to get a max Ike with a new 6.7 HO F350? I keep checking the channel expecting it to be up already. I mean normal people have had these trucks for over a month now. I expected TFL to have the video up on day 1.

It's missing a PTO.

@kylebutler7142

Жыл бұрын

Can't one be fitted aftermarket? It has all those auxiliary switches too.

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

PTO is factory-available. Since the one shown here was ordered for motorhome use, it has no need for a PTO and would not be equipped with one.

Glad to see your cameraman is a Minnesota Vikings fan at 12:13

I've been stuck on 2 in of snow because you cannot fully shut off TCS and or stability control in a GMC all I had to do was spin the tire enough to get to pavement so I could push myself out of the hole which I've done on the 90s vehicles cars many many times

I want a 550 with a flat gooseneck body for towing my toy hauler. It has a GVWR of 20k.

I like these a lot! I work on them but with the godzilla in it. They handle loads so good!

3:01 Is this the truck where they have to take the cab off if the cylinder head gaskets blow or for any cylinder head work?

@freethinkingamerican80

Жыл бұрын

They have been doing that for a long time now, nothing new with trucks and cars.

I never really considered F-250s to be "Heavy Duty" trucks, but I'm getting old. I guess the new ones now technically are with a GVWR of over 10,000 lbs.

@SurelyYewJest

Жыл бұрын

The adjective before "duty" is what makes it all confusing. They are Ford "Super Duty" trucks that are "heavy duty" compared to what most consumers do with a pickup, but in terms of commercial classification they are "light duty" based on the lack of certain features (19.5" wheels, increased-width front track and turning radius) and their lower GVWR. The F450 makes it 1 MORE level of confusing because the consumer pickup version is "light duty" (GVWR of 14,000 lbs) but the commercial chassis cab version is "medium duty'" (GVWR up to 16,500 lbs).

It should be mentioned that getting insurance for a F550 which the insurance industry considers a “ Commerical truck” is very expensive and not insurable for personal use by the far majority of auto insurance companies … I know this first hand. Depending on how the underwriters feel on any given day Progressive one of two companies that insure commercial truck (a F550) for personal use can drop without notice. The other company that can you can use is State Farm. Of coarse if you have a business or LLC and have it registered as such you get insurance for a Commerical truck for commercial use… but for personal like I have it super singled with a truck camper and custom flatbed is an issue … so check with your insurance before you drop a ton of money for personal use

There are many reasons why I push people from F-350 DRW to the F-450 in pickups - turning radius is one of them due to the Dana front end instead of a Ford Sterling (same as an F-250 4×4/F-350 SRW), 19.5" wheels instead of 17", and higher gross combination weight rating. The only bad thing is that they are not offered in SuperCab - only Regular & SuperCrew (Chassis-Cab is fair game). The Cab & Chassis just take the pickups and change the portion behind the cab and the front springs after the F-450.

The F550 & Ram 5500 chassis make amazing tow truck chassis.. however... when these cab chassis are built into either a wrecker or a flatbed, the large rear fuel tank must be Deleted to make room for the tow truck wheel lift equipment & hydraulics!... the chassis must be ordered with the "auxiliary tank" which is midship between the frame where the DEF tank is.... the problem is they're only like 22 gallons! so you get stuck with a large Heavy chassis, 90+ percent of the time operating at max capacity with vehicles on.... and you only get a little 22 gallon tank. The Gasoline chassis are the same way, however... there is NO DEF tank, so there's plenty of room for a bigger gasoline tank.. but neither brand offers a larger gasoline tank. some aftermarket companies make bigger Diesel tanks... but we're still waiting for larger gasoline tanks. (Yes, gas is actually getting MORE popular in the Towing industry because of the cheaper cost to purchase, cheaper to refuel & No Turbo issues or DEF or EGR emission problems..... Someone needs to make aftermarket Larger Midship gasoline tanks for the F550 & Ram 5500 chassis....there's 10's of thousands of chassis running around wanting bigger tanks...

It would be interesting to see a short version of the process of building a commercial platform on this chassis. Then a test drive.

Our newest f550 dump we went with the 7.3l gasser. Plenty of power and there is no business case for diesels anymore unless you’re running highways all day long. Between the cost of the diesel engine and the fact that the manufactures don’t stand behind their products (think 6.5. 6.0 and everything with an egr) when things go wrong there is no point getting the oil burner.

@jebsdaddy141

Жыл бұрын

our EPA is doing everything they can to kill the diesel engine. Our regulations are more stringent than Europe and that is saying something. Nixon gave us these pests.

@TheWilliam1122

7 ай бұрын

🤔😂 🤣

For some reason they don’t put the HO’s in the CC’s. You have to get a 3500 to get the HO.

I have a Ram 5500 with a ~50 gallon tank and that is about right for regional CDL deliveries. Every night I fill up with 20 to 40 gallons. I would be exceptionally annoyed having to fill up twice a day with a 40 gallon tank with 37 gal of usable capacity.

So is the Godzilla 7.3 derated in these too ? If so by how much and does it impact drivability

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

Yes, to 335 HP @ 3750 rpm and 468 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm.

@leewaite789

Жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 Jeez that’s quite a power drop 😳

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

@Lee Waite it's normal. Check the rated output of the Cummins 6.7 L Ram pickup engine, compared to the Cummins B6.7 output for heavier truck applications.

I'm surprised they don't have air ride seats with such a stiff suspension.

@volvo09

Жыл бұрын

It's going to be stiff with nothing over the back.

Can we get some of the military issue ones that come from the factory without DPF’s? That’s the first thing to go when I buy new trucks. Nothing but problems and costs.

I've seen alot of farmers upgrading to this chassis.

@eliasgutierrez6789

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we recently got one in xl trim and its still just as nice and comfortable. Put a steel 16 ft flatbed

@Danzilly

Жыл бұрын

@@eliasgutierrez6789 my neighbor farms and pulls his fuel carts and seed carts with no problems. He wants to upgrade the tires though.

I think everyone would like to see a Super Ike with this beast!

I’d like to see ford find a way to put that wide-track front axle in the short bed f250/f350 SRW. It would make the truck much more maneuverable, and a better daily driver.

@TaigaTurf

Жыл бұрын

Ditto

@jimmysuperduty1484

Жыл бұрын

It would be weird to see because the front tires would be wider than the rears...unless they spaced the back ones out too. I personally am glad they dont, if would make working and parking in the city pretty tough to be wider

@BabyfaceChase

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmysuperduty1484 you have a good point, but it would still be slimmer than a dually. That’s a trade-off I’d be willing to make if it means a turning radius tighter than some passenger cars.

@SurelyYewJest

Жыл бұрын

OMG yes. My F350 is impossible to park even with all-around view cameras. I'm lucky if I only have to do a 2-point turn.

The 2023 Super Duty Power Stroke is a force to be reckoned with! ⭐

my 2019 company wt has a crane body in back like most f550 ,, its not the best in diesel mpg but then again its a wt .. but you can put some weight in back it dont even feel it. hard ride but again wt..

That's actually really cheap for what it is. I bet you'd be looking at closer to $100k for a comparable F350. Kind of shows how overpriced their 250s and 350s are. I found that with my '22 2500. I could have gotten a 3500 dually for virtually the same price. Had I known then what I know now about my 2500, I would have done that. It's got all of the "drawbacks" of a dually 3500 without the benefits of a dually 3500.

@Hybris51129

Жыл бұрын

I tell anyone considering a F250 to just pay that extra ~$1000 and get a 350. A F250 is when you are either in a state with very specific titling requirements or you just really want a crew cab F150 with a 8ft bed.

I think you meant King Ranch, Platinum, or Limited Andre not High Country 😂

@volvo09

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, wrong brand! Haha😂

@TFLtruck

Жыл бұрын

Oops.

@fresnokidsr

Жыл бұрын

He is just showing his human side lol

Alex trying to sneak in a better results for your personal truck? 😂

I just bought an f600 with the 7.3 gas and i cant wait to put it to work

I hope it's getting a tow body with lots of storage so this could be the new Marvelous tow rig for the Marvelous⚡ ⚡ Voltage 3895. I also want to see it challenge Ike.

Hey Andre, you know that you don't need to keep your finger on the start button until the engine fires up right? You can push and let go right away, the starter will stay engaged until the engine fires up. Fords even with the keyed start system are like this. Just flick it and it starts by it's self. Even my old keyed '09 Flex, you didn't need to hold the key. Technically they have the same technology, just different buttons.

2:25 it is called king ranch not a high country

I know it doesnt have a bed, but honestly 8100 seems light for that truck. I was guessing over 9k

@eldridge201

Жыл бұрын

Although a bed will add "some" weight to the overall truck regardless of whether it's just a small 1/2 to (F-150) or a larger F-250, 350, or 450, the truck itself without the bed just doesn't weigh that much even though the frame is a little thicker and the brake rotors, rear and front axles, rims and tires, and a few other components are just a little bit larger for better handling and braking. The additional weight that all of these "larger" components adds is just not that much. Now, add a steel flatbed to this like a lot of famers do and boom, you're over 10k and maybe even close to or over 11k.

@gregbrooks3577

Жыл бұрын

It's aluminum. Saves a bit of weight.

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

@@gregbrooks3577 Just the cab is aluminum, which might save a couple hundred pounds compared to steel.

@gregbrooks3577

Жыл бұрын

@@brianb-p6586 Nope. Bed and and cab aluminum. Google it.

I drive a 2016 F-550 4X4 single cab long wheel base The turning radius is excellent but the 2WD is even better Our company has 2 F-350’s and a GMC 3500 2WD short wheel base trucks that can’t turn as good as these do

High country is on an Other level my Friend 😂😂😂😂

I'd like to know where exactly the line is drawn between a consumer and commercial truck. Can an F550 be driven without a CDL? What about an F450

@johncarboni8944

Жыл бұрын

Both f550 and f450 don't require CDL's to drive because their GVWR is under 26k

@yissibiiyte

Жыл бұрын

@@johncarboni8944 alright, but that means you can drive a (trailer-less) Peterbilt without a CDL?

@Hybris51129

Жыл бұрын

@@yissibiiyte The truck is technically under 26K however with it having air brakes your state may require that you get a air brake endorsement. Again it may vary from state to state and trying to find a answer will not be easy due to its unusalness.

@jayrichards3672

Жыл бұрын

Anything over 10k requires some kind of endorsement to legally drive like RV class

@jeepindave5464

Жыл бұрын

​@@yissibiiyte a lot has to do how it's titled for use. A lot of older people sell their house and buy a class 8 volvo and tow a fifth wheel across the country. No cdl because it's titled as an rv. Most states have farm exemption.

Those trucks are used for wrecker beds or roll backs, crane bodies, service bodies etc. Some also become box trucks.

@aron6998

Жыл бұрын

Yes but definitely not exclusively, my service truck is a F550 with tool bed and crane

@markisb3585

Жыл бұрын

@@aron6998 True

I build custom truck beds for those and pretty much any other truck that somebody may want to pay for.

Your TCS stability control is still you cannot fully shut it off unless flash the ECU and or get a stand-alone ECU

I have a 2019 F250 4x4 373 rear end. It will not take the punishment a RAM 250 will. The front ends are not very good 😕 😐 😢

I drive a 2016 F-550 for work with a service body on it with a crane (John Deere field service tech). They certainly ride better with weight on the axles. They are not quick by any means.

So what rear axle are they using in the 550 these days. Thought it was always the Dana 130. That’s definitely not as heavy a rear as the big Dana

@davidstaniszewski6785

Жыл бұрын

Dana M300

@thenarrowgate6995

Жыл бұрын

Shame they did away with the third member axle. Always seemed like the stouter setup for carrying weight. The old Dana they used looked like just a smaller version of what we had under our road tractors. Probably more axle than a Ford could handle anyway 😏

With a flat bed and 5th wheel it would be awesome with the biggest rv trailer .

I like how I didn’t have to calculate 11500 pounds, and just imagined the hummer EV 😅😅😂

I want a white one with an aluminum flatbed

It would be cool to have the commercial chassis but fit a pick-up box on it.

Can we pause for a second, for the radio antenna in 2023.

We all need to see a H.O f350 crew Cab pulling the Ike!

Very nice truck

Buy this truck if you want a sore back! I’d love to see a super Ike on it!

That is a REAL TRUCK! Great video!

High country! Wash your mouth!!! 😂

I see more super duties on the road than any other brand.

What? No box frame like they use on f250’s that they CLAIM is better? The box frame that rots out because it gets full of salt and road debris. If boxed is stronger and better then why not use it on f550’s?

@brianb-p6586

Жыл бұрын

Fully boxed frames are lighter and stiffer in torsion. Those factors don't matter for the applications of medium-duty trucks, so these heavier vehicles use open C-channel frames. There is not one design which is better for all applications.

I've been asking Ford GMC and Dodge on their social media websites to put air ride cab / air!!!!! seat !!! our roads are more dilapidated than ever and we use these for work every day like semis for the past 30 years there has been nothing but bad backs because of these vehicles we could use this same technology in the F-150s that people use for hauling all kinds of things around all day for their jobs not just driving it back and forth this is coming from a towing operator who has experience not another soccer dad asking for another cup holder

My favorite truck put a aluminum body with a rack and a gooseneck and a three car carrier and I can make money!!!

We have 4 2022s at my job , all needed new oil pan gaskets before 5000 miles, truck makers just don't care anymore

You mean besides the self-grenading CP4 fuel pump? Hehe.

What's the one bad thing Andre? Price?

Wow that’s a heavy build

What took so long, now tow something!!!

Venting exhaust heat right next to the fuel tank.....well done Ford 😆

It's good to see that Ford is finally trimming those plastic "cab corners" at the bottom rear of the cab to match the character line of the back panel of the cab......They used to stick out past the character line all zig zagged out of line.....It looked cheap as Hell for as much money they want you to drop on one....This was always a peev with me.....Unless this is a pre-production unit and the production vehicles will still be built with the oversized cab corners?

Where are the temporary mud flaps? Naughty!

At least ford made the higher end trim trucks look good.

It’s not the coolest. By any stretch. But it’s nice and I do like it. But id be looking at a Ram limited if I were looking for a loaded CC.

Ford I think is the only one making a truck in every size from Ford maverick to Ford F750 they use to make the Ford CL9000 SEMI

80k isnt that bad for that much capability...