00:37 : Doublelift reacts to caedrel's MSI tier list 14:52 : TheShy 1v1 with rookie, uzi & zz1tai

DL really just says the first thing that comes to his head and makes predictions based off intangibles and memes because he knows if he tried actually analyzing something on stream he would sound absolutely clueless

@joangallegoq

Ай бұрын

It's true that BLG is not a step ahead of T1 and GEN G they should be at the same tier also G2 being at the same tier as TES knowing the amount of teams that TES played and how much they evolved it's pretty clueless to put them in the same tier.

@omarjafar846

Ай бұрын

@@joangallegoqBLG is ahead because they matchup better vs those two teams, T1 is a comeback team and even though comeback wins are impressive it’s better to not be in a deficit in the first place. For gen g peyz is looking extremely shaky while elk is peaking and considering botlane has been the most important role in esports for a while now it makes sense to put BLG above them.

@joangallegoq

Ай бұрын

@@omarjafar846 Making a statement like that is non-sense. T1 did beat every LPL team last year without comebacks and GEN G lost to BLG because yeah Peyz is playing weakside while BLG top is playing weakside. Remember that these teams have not played yet, both are with different players.

@damiester1

Ай бұрын

@@joangallegoq T1's form is not the same throughout 2 years lol. You're on high copium if you think T1 is looking anywhere near as good as 6 months ago. Remember T1 lost 1-3 to BLG last year at MSI.

@oreoyo5639

Ай бұрын

⁠@@damiester1And blg lost to t1 last worlds. Saying playing from deficit isn’t a good way to win is crazy. That what jdg was doing the entirety of last year and how t1 manage to beat jdg. Outteamfight them from behind. Blg is favored currently right now in this meta if they were to do msi but I wouldn’t count on any fixed ranking once meta shift.

Of course DL the great analyst and not the airport speed runner that he is known for have great opinions

@theanonymouschicken169

Ай бұрын

-Caedrel: BLG bet GENG both in Msi and worlds and is going in with 4/5 the same players from last year which means they have prebuilt synergy with an upgrade with the best mid laner in lpl, meanwhile Chovy and Kiin are notorious international chokers and the team has only 3 months of synergy- MEATRIDER CAEDREL! LPL HAS ONLY WON THE LAST 4 MSI/MSC TOURNAMENT! WHY WOULD YOU THINK THEIR LIKELY TO WIN IT AGAIN?? KEWL!!!! THE EARTH IS PROBABLY FLAT!

@alphaaa5754

Ай бұрын

compared to caedrel's 0 international play in his pro career?

@rockdude1122

Ай бұрын

@@alphaaa5754 i forgot you had to play at the highest level to be able to analyze at the highest level. using this logic 90% of coaches for almost every sport including esports shouldn't coach because their players play at a higher level than the coach ever did. 👍

@lunanacomet

Ай бұрын

@@alphaaa5754 compared to caedrel's years of experience as pro player/coach/analyst/caster/streamer/most knowledgeable rat about League out there. DL 100% doesn't know what he's talking about and he knows it too. He also knows how to leech off of whatever's popular in the community to squeeze a bit more juice out of his dying popularity.

@Amin-vm5jf

Ай бұрын

​@@alphaaa5754 Dumb take, no need to be pro to coach. DL is still an airport speedrunner tho, also doesnt watch half what Caedrel has watched in terms of pro matches.

This is why we love you Caedrel. You don't need to overblow drama to have content unlike others we know. 😊

@tarakbelhiba3168

Ай бұрын

i know right ? my dude so fucking grown up and chill

@tipilot3791

Ай бұрын

he literally got triggered by DL saying he's high.

@tarakbelhiba3168

Ай бұрын

@@tipilot3791 anyone would beother,but he was mature enough to not show it and it take it like rat

@tipilot3791

Ай бұрын

@@tarakbelhiba3168 well... it showed lol. Idk in caedrels position I would've been completely unbothered. DL didn't watch the games thats enough said. Caedrel didn't need to get all serious about it and talk about for 2 mins about "not getting into it" and "avoiding drama". If actually wanted to avoid "drama" he would've just said "well I watched the games so..." and moved on. Saying "I'm not gonna get into it" is getting into it lol

@peter5430

Ай бұрын

@@tipilot3791grass

I love how chill you are about the whole thing. Like you gave your opinion, gave your reasoning and just stuck with it and moved on. No arguing, no unnecessary drama or anger. Love your content, especially your casts and drafting.

Both statements can describe TheShy no problem at all went 15 - 4 against Uzi, Rookie, Zzita1 went 4-15 against Uzi, Rookie, Zzita1

@ehcsitroM

Ай бұрын

he's truly the goat

I swear to god i can't believe what doublelift just said. Caedrel has been watching all the leagues from start to finish. Even i had hard times watching all these videos on your channel when i had no really free time, i can't imagine how hard your job was. it's just insane. Props to you not to make it a drama, that's why i respect you. have a good one.

@Teroo1234

Ай бұрын

Well that's just not true, Caedrel watches very little LPL, he watched a few regular season series and not even entire playoffs

@babatunde805

Ай бұрын

@@Teroo1234 of course he watches little LPL, bottom-middle tier teams aren't worth watching when they're not gonna get to international tournaments

@mynamesquid429

Ай бұрын

@@Teroo1234 True Caedrel may not watch too much LPL, but at least he watched the more important playoffs matches. DL literally ONLY watched the finals of LPL

@kevinrobichaud8560

Ай бұрын

That's literally what he did, make drama out of nothing, he decided to react to DL video and rather than taking it as a joke as DL was clearly joking around he made it serious to make DL look bad and play victim. His stream has become a pity party and his disciples are there for it.

@daftpunker5296

Ай бұрын

​@@kevinrobichaud8560bait used to be believable

Caedrel is right. No point in starting drama over someone's tierlist. Anyone can have an opinion. Move on fans of either side, this "drama" ain't worth fighting each other over.

@jamzy9

Ай бұрын

no what Caedrel basically said no point in arguing with someone who have no idea what they are talking about

@ppegonza

Ай бұрын

@@jamzy9 Right move, also not worth entering a mental breakdown like IWD on every DL video 😂 shortens your life

When it comes to current league knowledge. I’m going to side with Caedrel

@jimai808

Ай бұрын

When it comes to current league knowledge, im going to side with random twitch chatters over DL. DL unironically believes that sion diving bot level 1 and then TP'ing top is a lane swap. Like the top laner laning top and the bot lane laning bot is a lane swap?? Actually clueless.

@colesmith193

Ай бұрын

⁠@@jimai808haha he also has FNC on the same level as G2 and TES 😂. Actually one spot ahead of TES. I don’t know how you can have this opinion.

@rivera8109

Ай бұрын

​@@jimai808well DL is the type of player who gets away with so much because of his raw mechanics. This is one problem he has, his ego and he has minimum shotcall or analytical thinking when it comes to league.

@Pyrrha_Nikos

Ай бұрын

When it comes to League knowledge, I'm going to side with Caedrel. DL has always been a stupid takes machine, even at his peak performance. Clearly being a good player has no relation to being smart about the game

@rivera8109

Ай бұрын

@@Pyrrha_Nikos this is true, thats also why you see a lot of great league player and fail as a coach. Even in NBA this also happens

Doublelift is such a fucking joke

@jrs9223

Ай бұрын

At least he made playoffs

@andrec1629

Ай бұрын

​@@jrs9223 and where did that get him? Never saw his streams get 100k people 😂😂

@lord_of_cheddar9695

Ай бұрын

​@@andrec1629 Calling someone a joke because their stream doesn't reach 100k viewers is pretty harsh, I do think that BLG was better but it doesn't mean that I think Doublelift is some sort of blabbering baboon like everyone else in comments seems to think

@andrec1629

Ай бұрын

@@lord_of_cheddar9695 it wasnt me that called him a joke bro , i just pointed out to the comment above that making playoffs pales in comparison to getting 100k streams. Caedrel is basically setting himself up for life.

@dieselgoinham

Ай бұрын

He’s made 8 figures playing video games and has a hot porn star gf, wbu?

Doublelift needs this. His dry af and cannot survive without drama.

@kevinrobichaud8560

Ай бұрын

My guy just did a tier list with his viewers. Someone decided to react, took it personally, played victim and threw some shade after some jokes. DL did not start this so quit D riding.

@atsukki

Ай бұрын

@@kevinrobichaud8560 get c

@offthegrid777

Ай бұрын

DL: "How TF are they in a completely different tier than GenG and T1?" Me: 😮 They are not tho. S and S+ are the same tier. S+ only means they are slightly better or an upgrade to S. The problem with these visual viewers not bothering to pause to think... why are we lacking comprehension here?

@NotedEcho

Ай бұрын

​@@kevinrobichaud8560 "DL did not start this" I assume you don't know what it's like to just wake up one day and you see a random fucking guy you have 0 contact with call your opinions drug-induced. There is legit nothing in search about the 2 ever coming into contact until this, and it's DL trying to shit on and joke on someone he does not know. They dont make the same content They aren't in the same region They have never came into contact with each other Caedrel hasn't even This has to be stupid, joking on someone you've never even met has never worked so why tf would it here. This isn't the first time either, DL legit got away with making a god awful Sexual Assault "take" to someone he did not know just because it was brought up to him before he went back to pro and everyone seemed to have forgot. DL is actual cancer and I see no reason why people keep acting like DL does not legit wake up and decide who to speak on people he's never met before. It is not funny to see people try to get clicks off you lmao.

Good shit man im glad you said what you said we need more people that tell it how it is and not just react to the crap. I think double lift has good points but honestly that was stupid because he doesnt know how much we watch when didn't even watch it. Good

6:26 I was ready for the Caedrels me bro, let me be me *whatever tomorrow brings I'll be there*

21:50 My Goat

@nuf4052

Ай бұрын

my man just got rick rolled XDDDDDDD

I will always admire Doublelift for his confidence in just being able to wing it. When I haven’t studied enough and feel unprepared for class, I usually take the opposite approach and try to keep a low profile. But that’s not DBL’s style! Nothing is gonna stop him from displaying his incompetence.

I like how Caedrel doesn't enter on a mental breakdown when seeing DLs video like IWD

Watching this and the vid of dom regarding DL criticising caedrel, I just love the fact that they do share very similar opinions for which they re giving the same reasons. You’d really think that they re costreaming those regions for 1/2 a day for a few months while DL has invested a solid 30 minutes skipping through LPL finals and nothing else :)

22:30 2024 ADC

Classy caedrel, liked how you handled it

yo mr. editor, small mistake in title: "Tier Lisr"

bro that constant clicking

caedral getting flamed entire 2023 because of theshy made him flame immune

He watched the LPL finals BEFORE this. Not sure if he watched it again?

what an elegant response from caedrel, gigachad

Classy “reaction” Great reply You’re the best man

Ok Caedrel. Now I grant you the social credit you deserved. Love from ccp

4AM start here in LATAM Aware... WHAT THE FUCK IS SLEEP!? WE WATCHING THOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!

Man idk I like Doublelift but his point of experience for Gen G makes no sense lmao

"Wow! Someone has a different opinion, I'm gonna be unnecessarily mad about that"

@loop3357

Ай бұрын

And what does a tier list have to do with the CCP🤣🤣

I'm so confused why we're are acting like Doublelift disagreeing to Caedrel's tierlist and him reacting is drama. I don't think that IWD's tweet helps either because now it makes it seem more like drama. Bro, it's a fucking tier list discussion. What drama is there?

@fakerragingfanboy8420

Ай бұрын

Its the same drama with DL as usual. DL never bothers putting an iota of research on his takes, and then starts shitting on other's takes. If you're going to throw stones, make sure you dont live in a glass house.

@-lufon-8140

Ай бұрын

Caedrel has broken down teams macros, their strengths and weaknesses for 4 months of watching all the regions. Which then other streamers/content creators who as the other reply said, have not done shit all in research used words that are very fucking stupid such as hard drugs and shit knowing that they're community will take it out of context and put fuel into the fire. Ofc there will be drama in a way or another

@animeanime7849

Ай бұрын

Disagreeing isn’t drama, acting like the person you are disagreeing with is ultra biased, doesn’t know what he’s talking about and is on drugs is drama

@shasheeshsmile

Ай бұрын

Disagreeing about the actual list is not drama. But when you say the other person is an lpl rider, on drugs and farming social credit, that is drama.

@jojorxable

Ай бұрын

@@fakerragingfanboy8420 its a take brotherman

Respect to Caedrals professionalism on handling his negative comments

I miss the 321 potions start

"Doublelift react to the video of Caeldrel who react to the video react of Doublift"

some people are just gonna talk shit no matter what, best to just ignore it

esports world cup finna be a banger

Classy Caedrel, best streamer in league hands down.

Win plan of blg: even if bot lane of blg lose the lane phase , mid&jungle give up their cs and go to bottom on the time when minions erased in front of blg side tower. Then blg bottom make huge wave of minions and dive oponents bottom with mid jungle. The result of this play make over 1 thousands gold lead of blg at bottom lane. Lck team will be fucking hard to win blg if they don’t find blg jungle before they do this.

Notice DL straight up admits he didn't watch all year then talks anyway. He's only relevant from drama anymore.

7:27 FINALLY someone said this. The choking argument is so so stupid when comparing teams strength. I swear, if I see anyone else say that "GenG are not the best, they always choke" I'm gonna lose it

@baraenbojassen6611

Ай бұрын

It’s more of a meme but it’s not stupid either. If certain players choke then that is indicative of them choking again

@azhus9307

Ай бұрын

​@@baraenbojassen6611 But you don't ever base your tierlist on choking this is a tier list not predictions

@baraenbojassen6611

Ай бұрын

@@azhus9307 that's completely up to the person making the tier list. I see tier lists for every tournament where the streamer prefaces the list with "this is based on how well I think they will perform".

@gaborolaszi5062

Ай бұрын

ok, then let's just put it in the other perspective. "If I ever have to hear again, that Chovy is the best player in the world, despite never passing semis at worlds, never showing anything at any single international, then i'M gonna lose it". Yes it would be stupid based on one incident, but i'M hearing Chovy is the best for 4 years if not more. And i'M tired of watching the "supposedly best player" literally afk farming through game deciding teamfights and having 0 clutch factor in any of these games.

12:40 wow😂😂😂

are we gonna ignore the tahm kench pic

Just some co-stream lore. Doublelift when he streamed with Sneaky and Meteos was meme'd for saying false facts and random nonsense by them and twitch chat. Might be the reason why he stopped co-streaming with each other because he didn't have yes mans

classic rat king, someone says something on the TL, he throws on the lady gaga and queues up.

Holy Caedrel went kinda hard, thought he was just gonna blow it off.

tbh im an Old School T1 Fan. im worried right now because BLG's Form looks so Good

very interesting opinions lol i agree with caedrels list for the most part

"how well will you play against every single team" truly the best analyst of our time

this AGE LIKE FINE WINE

I'm with DL on this one... a whole different tier means at least a 70-30 which is impossible. I would put them on the same tier even though GenG is not known for international plays even tho they have a diff roster.

Todays match proved you right😂

the thing is chovy was the best last year and this year he is even better

Doublelift is such a joke, love doms reply Video 😂

4:20 true but peanut choke so hard the last 2 worlds and doran had some moment with gragas but he got solokill 3 time by sion top lets not forget this 2 guy

@Gurpreet-sv5zg

Ай бұрын

Meanwhile Knight kek

on the tier list, anybody can trash talk anybody's tier list.. we just have to wait till the msi results to know who's wrong you know..

The best players in the world are not playing professionally or even publicly, I know some pros that could use being reminded of that.

great job for not adding fuel. I'm still not subbed but I do watch you religiously ;)

caedrel is usually so polite wioth everyone but in this case i just saw him kinda spicy with doublelift, is there a past trama between them?

DL doesnt even watch league outside of LCS lol.

the reason why i don't trust tier list is because thing like this. everyone has their own "analysis". and even though i like T1, i gotta admit T1 is one of those team that too volatile to put your hopes onto. sometimes they are good sometimes they are bad. GenG even though they are looking good but somehow they always choke on international stage. while LPL, they are bunch of lunatics that sometimes so chaotic but it works. that's why i just want to enjoy the series. if T1 win, that's good for me. if other team win, it's good for me too. as long as they give me such banger series, then i won't regret anything.

there are people literaly looking at DL streams saying random things not even knowing wtf he says. It's insane to me this type of person shouldn't be followed

ehh, the only thing i don’t like about the tierlist is geng and t1 in the same tier when t1 has won a total of 0 bo3s and bo5s this year vs geng

Dl 'criticizm' yeah you could call that nonsensical mumbling with no foundations criticizm I guess.

Caedral reacts to Doublelift reacts to Caedral's MSI tier list

I cringe at this community for not just waving this off as DL joking around a bit and having a half-committed reasonable opinion.

21:05 I only see asmonglod with hair

Caedrel can be so goofy sometimes but you know Caedrel is so fucking smart. Doublelift? He can't even remember what he ate for breakfast yet he continues to talk about what he ate.

DL flames Pedro that he’s coping when his own tier list put TES on the same tier as G2 and FNC LMFAO

T1 will murder the fuck out of flyquest, it's like challenger vs wood division

This is just how DL generally analyzes stuff, he just spitballs off his gut feeling and throws some memes in there. Caedrel tends to analyze things at a more focused level, but that doesn't mean either of them are wrong. They're just giving their opinion based on what they believe. Wouldn't put too much value on any of it, but if you put a gunto my head I'll take Caedrel's word any day of the week. Dude's read on the meta and strategy is really on another planet right now.

Apply logic he says.... MIKYX OVER KERIA AINTNOWAY

Of course its DL the airport speedrunner 😂

Trying to remember when Doublelift was ever Not annoying. And This Guy is Like 40

Here what's you need to know. T1 Gets a playoff power up then a international power up. Gengee chokes at msi and worlds. And lpl kriptinight is t1. The same thing happened at worlds. Why it's so hard to do tier list.

Its all fun banter between DL and Caedrel. Neither of them actually care that much who's better between BLG and T1. But watch the fans will devolve this into some weird drama.

@colorrr34

Ай бұрын

And also dom praying for DL's downfall for the 10th consecutive year.

@123rtXd

Ай бұрын

yea fans are stupid and dom is a huge loser across the board.

@123rtXd

Ай бұрын

caedrel does some kinda mad

@cremlindor6607

Ай бұрын

Its not about the tier list as much as it about Doublelift's comments

@MultiQwasar

Ай бұрын

Doesn't sound like caedrel thought it was a friendly banter

Only 1 team can win MSI everyone will choke except the winners!

This feels like it should've been 2 separate videos. Title is like "Caedrel reacts to LCS Finals, States his opinion on the Socioeconomic state of the Middle East"

Naah man Doublelift looks really high ahahahhahaah

Despite DL being a great player, he would never be able to predict correctly when it came to drafts or team strength. He's only known to follow what's popular. I remember back in the days before he joined 100T, he would ALWAYS shit talk Ssumday. Oh he solo killed Fudge? No response. Oh, Sssumday got solo killed by Fudge? "Ssumday is so bad". Eventually they ended as teammates too... So yeah... not the most analytical person out there.

caedral the goat

Whaaaa whaaaa whaaaaaa whaaaaa

So he flames Caedrel with BLG being higher than T1 and GENG meanwhile doing the same with GENG and T1. They are all fucking sick teams with difference only how much they can cook and if they can play/create meta and how well they slept. :D But still I would say that there is higher chance of BLG beating both geng and t1, if t1 don't choke on geng or don't apply their LPL slayer buff and geng don't choke as allways at international

Nah but surely, we aren't getting a bunch of drama because of a tier list, the least serious thing in the world. DL may be an idiot, but the obsession the Dom/Monte/Thorin crowd have with him is just weird at this point. Literally no reason for a tier list to be worth this much discourse.

@Rille922

Ай бұрын

It is when he creates dishonest narratives around players and teams. Dom and Thorin are lpl fans and that reagion has been plagued by bad commentary from western fans and media, so when a leading figure talks out of his ass you will of course be angry

@Amrani97

Ай бұрын

I agree but running your mouth like this with 0 basis is turbo cringe, people hope he stops (maybe one day, deo volente 🙏)

@nabilcollison-cofie6811

Ай бұрын

I don't get why doublelift just gets this he is an idiot pass perma and it excuses everything he does. Like does being an idoit just make you immune to criticism and reprieve. Makes you allowed to undermine a walkout and lie about lane swaps on streams. Call Dom a parasite while stating that the only reason you don't want to play pro is because the money isn't millions anymore. If dom/monte/thoorin are the only people that will call this guy out on his bs than I am fine with them having a crusade on this idiot.

@graverobber135

Ай бұрын

if you think this is Only about the tierlist and not actually the culmination of DL’s braindead actions throughout history then either you’re deliberately clueless or are probably the kind of guy that would never guess their gf is currently unhappy and will think her decision to leave you came out of “nowhere” when in reality all the signs were there, you just didn’t care to look.

@TakarieZan

Ай бұрын

@@graverobber135 What?

Doublelift, IWD, and Thorin are the top three most annoying people in existence. If they were quiet, world peace would be achieved.

@wottambor2474

Ай бұрын

I can tell someone with a guma pfp would get triggered by those ppl

I missed the times when DL is still pro coz when he somehow got to an international event the tier list is easy as fuck to make coz you just put his team at the bottom. He always speed run the tournament and go home early to make our tier list accurate. What a thoughtful player.

@huangrex299

Ай бұрын

Nah, he got second in MSI once

@hinnnnnn

Ай бұрын

@@huangrex299yeah, I once thought he is the only constant in pro League being consistently shit outside NA, the fact that he made it to finals is disappointing. Sad times.

ayo that tahm kench...

I will be completely honest. You do definitely root for T1, just judging from past videos from now there is a noticeable amount of T1 bias. Not saying that what Doublelift said is anything even close to the truth but you definitely are a T1 fan

He thinks that geng and t1 are better at the sion cheese swaps amiright?

Chovy is the best midlaner on paper period, knight is not even close, but not sure irl🤣🤣🤣🤣. You got to reconsider geng ranking since they have peyzpal which only works internationally.

Caedrel is 20 times the analyst DL is. BASED

I agree with Doublelift's take on GenG becoming more reliable though. I would put them alongside BLG on the tierlist too. Just because they look vulnerable on Semis and Finals while BLG look dominant isn't an indicator of skill diff but rather regional competition diff.

Its funny that doublelift actually admits that he only watched finals and nothing else on blg but thinks he has all the answers hell nah

with just that bot lane we saw in finals, if Elk and On does that it's just won. But hey we can't count any other teams just want banger series that's all no cringe 2-0 3-0 fuck that shit we going silver scrapes.

Absolute clown takes from DL but Caedrel's chat isn't any better, either. They flamed him everytime he praised weibo and T1 last worlds, now look how they do an absolute 180 when it's DL being toxic. Lmao peak comedy.

DL calls Dom a parasite, and then tried to farm Caedrel like this. Classic.

blg + msi patch = gg

Dont worry Dom ripped him a new hole about that.

caedrel not knowing what a pentagram is, is so on brand

we are gonna need a doublelift apology video after lpl wins msi

I find it impossible listening to doublelift for more than 3 seconds

+99 social credits xdd