00:05 : Faker Swarmed At Airport 3:58 : KR Reactions To Caedrel's Player Tier List 14:19 : MSI Budget Challenge

Faker is isolated, so many Kha'zix mains gathering around him

@snakeking5009

Ай бұрын

I heard isolated and ran to the comments. Great minds.

@damiester1

Ай бұрын

The Vis were protecting him though.

props to the reverse smurf guy for preserving the balance between the 4 nations

Chovy with 3 NA players is like HLE 2021 all over again LMAO

Kiin over 369 is crazy imo. Even crazier people saying "through career Kiin has played a lot" considering 369 was known as carries guy, then a weakside win anyway guy, to the bruiser guy.

@scifimisc9191

Ай бұрын

They both flopped last Worlds

@vPzWalkerx

Ай бұрын

Kiin could have played a lot through his career and 369 can also be known as a carries guy and everything else. both statements can be true?

@Sonasthighs

Ай бұрын

@@scifimisc9191 flopped is not what i would call 369 last worlds

@scifimisc9191

Ай бұрын

@Sonasthighs You should rewatch that T1/JDG series then. 369 fell flat as hard as Bin did vs theshy

@justsomeguythatwantssometh9986

Ай бұрын

​@@scifimisc9191Kanavi flopped last worlds dmbass.

All this about Kiin and he's not even on the $15 MSI build a team thing LOL

Just give me 3 Chovy’s and I’ll use the 2 coaches as stand in’s I think

@bobysmith5662

Ай бұрын

why would you take three choky ?

@bainbridge24

Ай бұрын

I mean in the LCK for sure, but internationally?

@crvg.luciano

Ай бұрын

on an international tournament? i’d probably pay to not have chovy

@dragonplayz6606

Ай бұрын

Nah chovu sucks just get all EU

@alex2005z

26 күн бұрын

Chovy, Elk, Mikyx, Oscar and I will play jungle.

Impact umti chovy peyz core seems like the best in the budget tbh

when it comes to the tierlists and being an analyst in general you gotta just ignore the fans also i personally loved the fact u did the tier list live and i'd actually enjoy seeing you do it taking more time and reviewing games and such. I will say tho the chat was annoying about the length so if u ever do it live again just tell people itll take like 8 hours so they dont complain

@sugarfree9921

Ай бұрын

People just like to get butthurt. Most streamers can't have an opinion if it's even slightly different, because afterwards, they need to explain/apologise for the next 3 days. These people need to touch grass or something.

@abouttime2569

Ай бұрын

@@sugarfree9921 Koreans aren't mad at Caedrel for having a ''slightly different'' opinion. They just don't give Caedrel much credit anymore because he messed up an obvious trait about Kiin. It is not a slightly different opinion.

@nirvash241

Ай бұрын

@@sugarfree9921 caedrel opinion on kiin is wrong though and he did admit it.... I myself didn't agree with kiin having pool issue when dude can play every meta this split pretty well

@sugarfree9921

Ай бұрын

@abouttime2569 @nirvash241 Both my comment and the initial one were talking about tier lists in general , as you could probably read, neither mentioned Kin, that was addressed by Cadrel anyway. However, my comment still stands, people are and will get butthurt when a streamer's opinion differs from theirs, and usually, those people are the loudest.

Optimal $15 spend is Impact, Umti, Chovy, Peyz, CoreJJ. Day one playable team, 5 “LCK” players on budget, I dub thee “2020 DRX 2.0” aka Chovy and the Apostles. 🤣

@Milxno

Ай бұрын

I was thinking Impact Oner Creme Yeon CoreJJ (assuming language is no issue) but yours is great too ngl

@zqr_tzu3537

Ай бұрын

@@Milxno oner cant play without faker babysitting him imo

@user-wq8rf9sh4c

Ай бұрын

i would most definitely replace peyz and that's a team

@dragonplayz6606

Ай бұрын

Nah chovu sucks just get all EU

Why are we rating Kiin on his career long performance (he played well before, he has had a big champ pool during his career, etc) when he has been mostly a kasante merchant and good (not amazing) on other picks while we are rating others based on their form from the last few games or just finals.

@trinityforce8006

Ай бұрын

Kiin is a disappointment tbh, took 8 years to win a title despite being said as the "best top laner" lmao, if he was in other teams not Gen G or T1 other top would choke him in his lane like last lck playoffs

@robertmusil1107

Ай бұрын

Because he is as good as any other toplaner on the other picks at least and better on Ksante.

@suhyeonkim3069

Ай бұрын

The thing is, in finals, he had both his jayce and twisted fate banned 5 games in a row, and rumble 3 times in a row, while ksante was not banned a single game. I am pretty sure this says more than enough about his jayce and twisted fate

There's many kor fans who love caedrel including me. no worry I can confirm

i agree, doing the tierlist live was a bad idea, caedrel probably wanted to save time to stream more by doing both at the same time, although i hope he doesnt forget this lesson and do tierlists live again in the future

@curtisnovotnik8341

Ай бұрын

It sucks because people being assholes (E.g. like learning to restrict his option to do something fun because of crazy people) shouldn't have to be a learned lesson in the first place, but welcome to the internet/insane fan bases.

@RattusNorvegicuz

Ай бұрын

I hope he doesn't forget this lesson 🤡 who the f k are you ?

Umti chovy corejj zeus and hans looks good. Umti is definitely higher than 1. Around 3$ value

@hacimstar130

Ай бұрын

Yep

Faker doing his best Zeus impression irl

kiin has been a ksante merchant this past season since he looks OKAY on other champs

@cyBerepTile

Ай бұрын

Tell that to his 1K+ DPM Rumble. Look at Zeus winrate on Aatrox this season, and then look at his winrate without Aatrox this season. Not hating on Zeus, is just that you guys bring 2 different narratives for players that you guys like or don't like. Pretty much brain dead...

@lightningjuniorsuper

Ай бұрын

@@cyBerepTile Zeus is obviously an Aatrox merchant and now vayne probably And okay? Thats them I’m me bro 🤷 Obviously ppl got their favs but im saying this from watching the games myself

@GlideAndSlide123

Ай бұрын

@@cyBerepTile So? Zeus being an aatrox merchant or not is irrelevant to Kiin being a Ksante merchant. They are both merchants.

@user-uw9vg7le7w

Ай бұрын

Then why T1 kept banning TF, Jayce and Rumble at finals? Are they just "okay" champs?

@mariyam.soungoua4

Ай бұрын

​@@lightningjuniorsuper You can have your opinion but what you say is wrong because in the ban phase during PO, all the other teams considered that Kiin's best champion was TF by far over Ksante.

1:08 lmao twitch chat says "he's splitpushing"

Are there anywhere videos from Caedrel playing soloq? or is that just on stream and uncut VODs

@yvezz9441

Ай бұрын

There used to be Caedrel VODs but the channel has been deleted

its ridiculous that most people cant stand against an opinion that's different from their own.

15$ western Copium : Impact / Razork / Caps / Hans / Jun

random but I feel like umti English is so good - he never played LCS before now right?

Hey Caedrel LPL fan here. About the Kiin issue please don't mind the haters. I was happy that you put 369 as the best toplaner at first and when you corrected yourself and put Kiin, I was disappointed but only because I had high hopes for 396/LPL players. I didn't watch enough LCK to make a judgement for myself so I appreciate you putting in all the work to make this tier list live. Unfortunately there is so much hate whenever tierlists come out, it is hard to please everyone. Again appreciate the analysis and all the hardwork you put into this. Looking forwrad to the MSI streams🍻

@davidkunakovsky3155

Ай бұрын

Who tf is 396

@wangz94

Ай бұрын

@@davidkunakovsky3155 bro great question wtf, maybe he's the best toplaner at MSI who knows

Yamatosdeaths actually got queued with this reverse smurf guy haha

Classic riot move with smolder its so unbelievably shit but they do this every fucking time Step 1 : Create a broken champ 2. Let it be pick / ban for 2 months with 56% winrate 3. Give it THE SMALLEST NERFS POSSIBLE KNOWING FULL EELL BTW IT WONT CHANGE A SINGLE THING 4. Watch the domination like a demon 5. GIVE IT ONE NERF WHICH BLOWS ITS HEAD OFF and make the champ unplayable and well guess what it DOESNT ALWAYS WORK OUT LIKE KSANTE WHOSE KIT IS FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN 6 . Try to give it a rework and make it playable but guess what (THESE REWORKS ONLY MAKE IT HARDER TO BALANCE) . Skarner is following same trajectory and its so pathetic.

It's not kr fanse that are mad, it's the kr geng fans that are mad, they think that you are a hater of geng

@GlideAndSlide123

Ай бұрын

This. I dont see KT and DK fans hating Caedrel despite his criticisms.

T1 being minion blocked irl lmao.😂

Rare image of Faker getting caught

People do be acting like pedro put kiin at the bottom of his tier list initially XD

4:47 what about wbg?

Isn’t it Chovy, Zeus, Umti, Hans, and corjj?

Like we have no other option in mid 5$ for Chovy is by far better than Cap who next on list unless we give up mid. Also ELK far better than Peyz who next to him but midlane will need higher priority.

@sashin2661

Ай бұрын

The other option is Creme, taking Caps would be shit but Creme is similar in skillevel to Caps and 1$ cheaper. Still kinda troll tho, unless Knight or Faker is on the list its troll to not take Chovy regardless.

classic underrate zeus, and he smokes everyone in a non-tank meta

01:00 Faker activated Galio W

I hope the flak doesn't get to you too much, I really respect you for being willing to put the thought and effort and time into creating your best take on comparing players across multiple regions who haven't played against each other much if ever! It's so much easier to look at someone else's work and just point at what you'd do differently; creating a tier list from scratch is much more work and I think it's amazing you have the knowledge to do it at all, let alone live. The haters' voices are loud but wanted you to know you have fans too

Bro, you're real and that's so funny about you 😅Never change!

Zeus Razork Creme Hans Jun, assuming no language barrier this has to be the best roster for $15 lol

@x2arez

Ай бұрын

Assuming barrier language is not a thing then its Zeus Umti Chovy Peyz Busio, 4 Koreans and 1 American, also Zeus x Chovy Asian games, Peyz x Chovy teammates for long af

Surely those people aren't actually Caedrel fans lol

Faker playing galio IRL at the airport.

my takeaway is im just glad tf blade is master+

I thought all my master elo teamates have been reverse smurfing. aint no way that shid master Z

Impact umti chovy elk core is the only option imo

@CrushedByBasilLeaf

Ай бұрын

That is true because elk and Chovy are too far ahead of everyone else, but that team is 16 dollars. Maybe impact for bwipo but Impact is so much better than him it's crazy

@antosqa7343

Ай бұрын

It would be 16$ tho. I'd downgrade Elk to Peyz. I know he is worse than JKL, Guma, Elk and some other ADCs that couldn't attend MSI but he is the best bank for the buck from the offered ADCs in this list. ADCs are stat sticks usually and with good setup even the most mediocre one can perform anyway. Also Impact Umti Chovy Peyz Core will be full korean roster, which will make communication better

@micahm2844

Ай бұрын

@@antosqa7343 that’s fair. Realistically I don’t think you can afford an msi winning roster.

@micahm2844

Ай бұрын

@@CrushedByBasilLeaf I agree I see some people putting bwipo above impact on tierlists and it blows my mind

7:06

20:48 진짜 존나 서운했나봄 ㅋㅋㅋ

Actually the Korean site that was referred to is more like a super biased Gen.g fanclub right now. It doesnt represent the mainstream public opinions at all, since they just deny all analysts that dont bestow S+ tiers to all gen. laners

@user-jl8mh1rt3n

Ай бұрын

you misspelled t1 fanclub

@user-zv8zt4ho6h

Ай бұрын

seems like nobody supports that one :)

@user-jl8mh1rt3n

Ай бұрын

@@user-zv8zt4ho6h and you supported by millions of people right? lol

@user-jl8mh1rt3n

Ай бұрын

and you supported by millions of people? lol

Bro it's just a Tier list. How are people making a big deal over this.

12:48

faker has the teemo global taunt

Agree if tier lists end up like all pro I'll just not engage

The thing is, if Kiin is actually Ksante one trick, why do you think T1 will ever ban both Jayce and Twisted Fate 5 times in a row and rumble 3 times in a row in finals instead of banning Ksante at all?

Man even irl faker is getting 4 man dove, feels bad man

Bwipo, Razork, Chovy, Payz, CoreJJ. Or. Bwipo, Razork, Chovy, Hans Sama, Jun.

Guy played 4 camille games in two years and you are telling me he can play camille?

Zeus, Umti, Creme, Elk, CoreJj

Zeus, Razork, humanoid, Elk, CoreJJ

faker absorbing pressure for him team

@jhonmichaelberina8960

Ай бұрын

Faker's Global Taunt IRL. 😂😂

-Faker swarmed- He's tanking

369, Razork, Jensen, Peyz, Jun

369 UmTi Jensen Elk Jun. Thats my roster.

That budget challenge is broken. You NEED Chovy, none of the other mid options can even remotely stand up to him. You need knight and Faker as options or, if you arent trolling, you lose $5 no matter how you slice it cause you cant not take him.

@fanwee5048

Ай бұрын

Though you’re right, I don’t think faker or knight helps cause chovy gaps those fraudulent mids. He no longer has Dorun-it-down-before-first-objective & it’s double elimination. I’ll shave my self bald if Gen g loses a double elimination tournament

@scifimisc9191

Ай бұрын

@fanwee5048 Double elim helps Chovy a ton, yes. Pretending like Chovy's actual competition arent capable does not help him. It does about the opposite. Knight's team fighting is as good or better than Chovy's AND Knight has the best botlane by far going into the tournament while Chovy has Peyz in currently literally his worst form hes ever been in. Knight doesnt need to out Chovy Chovy, he just needs to enable Elk. Nothing needs to be said about how insane it is to discredit Faker. Especially after last Worlds.

@junlee9531

Ай бұрын

@@scifimisc9191 I mean I feel it's pretty hard to play just to try to go even especially against such a lane dominant player such as chovy. Seeing as how corki was destroying faker's orianna with corki of all champs, if chovy is consistently getting push and cs leads, the opposing laner whoever it may be will have a harder time being relevant

@scifimisc9191

Ай бұрын

@junlee9531 For sure. But lane dominance was a like a happy surprise addition to what Faker brings, and as good as knight is at it its not his strongest aspect. If a team needs a mid to dominate lane to win theyre never going to go anywhere against Chovy. If thats not what they primarily get out of their mid, its not as big a deal. Its why Bdd usually does relatively well against Chovy

@ghikira

Ай бұрын

@@fanwee5048 how are you calling faker and knight fraudulent mids? have you seen last msi, last worlds?

Caedrel pls say gen will win msi lck summer and worlds and all the players in gen will have the tournament of theie lives. PLEASE CAEDREL!!!!

Canyons kha zix at the airport would’ve ended him

i would pick 15 oscarinins... there is no way 5 players beat 15

369, umti, chovy, yeon, corejj

I mean he’s clearly biased toward mikyx but even so his opinion on everything else is still very valuable

Zeus, UmTi, Huminoid, Elk, Jun

Zeus Razork Chovy Yeon CoreJJ maybe

Caedrel definitely doesn’t hate GenG but he also definitely doesn’t support them in most matchups lmao

Oscarinin Tian Chovy Peyz CoreJJ for 15 bucks thats what I get , put Oscarinin on Tank Duty Put Tian on Carry, Chovy best mid by far, Peyz/CoreJJ good synergy both korean, one veteran 1 young, perfect. Easy win.

Impact Josedeodo Chovy Pray Jun Epico team

One of these days man, you gotta double down and say," I said what i said and i meant it, fk'em haters." You can't please everyone.

Insta lose if you're not picking Chovy. There's no Faker and Knight on the builder lol

for 15 $ im taking Bwipo Umti Chovy Elk CoreJJ

Oner just needs to go blind and he's irl lee sin at this point.

It's not kr fans that's mad at him, it's geng and doran fans. They react very emotionally to any potential geng slander, and they claim that caderal is a fake geng fan that turned away as soon as things went south (which is a very childish behavior but that's how they view things).

@Kryndude0177

Ай бұрын

I also have to add that the entire geng fans base is sensitive af rn due to their poor international performance. They think they deserve more but that's not the reality so they lash that out on anyone who points that out. In this case it was caedral and so the hate went to him

Stop addressing what people say, you are going to be crucified all the time regardless of what you say, fuck them, if you already addressed a mistake once, that's it.

Being EU biased af I go with Bwipo, Oner, Caps, Hans Sama, CoreJJ

@Sanctus01

Ай бұрын

Picking caps is so weird tho, since chovy is miles better and only 1 more dollar and creme is definitly as good if not better for a dollar less

@sinisterinspace

Ай бұрын

@@Sanctus01 well I did say I was EU biased, didn't i

As a GenG fan (im not Korean) I was so sorry they criticized you for saying your opinion (you also made it clear that this was your own thoughts and people could have counter arguements). I agree Kiin is a Ksante merchant, and i think your opinion about his champ pool is right. Even though Kiin has a narrow champ pool (which he actually played well) Caedrel still said Kiin is a good player. Korean fans are so sentitive

Imo, Bwipo Umti Chovy Elk CoreJJ

@podefunder

Ай бұрын

Bwipo slightly undervalued, Umti is by far the best $1 pick, Chovy best player, Elk by far the best laner on the list (only spending for $5's if they can be centerpiece carries), Corejj very undervalued considering his opposition at the role

man all these drama just because a simple tier list. istg man, that's why i never believe in tier list. it just like a shopping list where you can see is your favorite cereal made it to the list or not.

$15 to build the best blunt rotation: Bwipo Razork and $11 worth of zaza

Bwipo, umti, chovy, elk, corejj

zeus umpti chovy hans sama corejj

Why is everyone overhyping G2 and TL.. G2 is at best like one tier higher than Fnc or just above them in same tier and TL is either right behind Fnc or bellow.. I dont even think that they will do well, I have maybe even more faith in Fly, but still less than in EU teams and Psg is like Na teams lvl

Zeus,Umti,Chovy,Hans,Core I win

id go with impact tian humanoid elk core

imo it's impact razork chovy yeon jun

14:50 Bwipo Razork Creme ELK Jun ?

😂 double lift laughing rn I can tell

My $15 is Zeus, Razork, Chovy, Yeon, CoreJJ

Ksante merchant Kiin

obviously your a bad lawyer they need to hire dom to be geng lawyer lol

Bro, ppl getting mad at someone else's tier list, after the person admitted he makes mistakes too... I can't understand.

Chovy can't carry two losing lanes. No one can. Giving him a shit jungler makes more sense.

I hope Caedrel doesnt get the impression that the Korean audience hates him or anything. He's still relatively respected, especially after backtracking.

saying caedrel isn't a GenG fan as if it somehow undermines his arguments is the dumbest thing i've seen in a while lol. if anything it's the opposite, hardcore fans are the least suited to properly rate the thing they're being fans around.

Impact(3) Umti(1) Chovy(5) Peyz(4) CoreJJ(2) Just take the Koreans from TL and give them good carries.

Some Korean fans are so delulu, Caedrel ignores my region and i understand why, meanwhile they are out here just insulting him for a small mistake that he corrected in no time.

Faker is not there in the msi budget challenge cause it will cost him everything to just get faker.

Korean fans are always like this, even with K-pop. As soon as something remotely "bad" happens you're canceled or whatever, it's really toxic

And they say GenG fans are saints

@bong8131

Ай бұрын

I mean if you compare it to T1 fans then yeah