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@Kladia

Жыл бұрын

Fr or ong?

@theconductoresplin8092

Жыл бұрын

U rock

@robertjarman3703

Жыл бұрын

How about North Korea?

@riesrolgaming9733

Жыл бұрын

Hey a question. How does Argentina inforce voting to people abroad?

@aquamxrine

Жыл бұрын

2 hours ago? bros a time traveler 💀

Fun fact: the Israeli supreme court recently decided that terrorists may have their citizenship revoked even if they don't have another one, making Israel one of the very few places on earth where the state can force someone to become stateless.

@RFLCPTR

Жыл бұрын

Which is indeed against the declaration of Human Rights, although we shouldnt be suprised to see an apartheid state act like this...

@Talonidas7403

Жыл бұрын

@@RFLCPTR they're terrorists. your rights end where other's begin

@calvinware7957

Жыл бұрын

Israel making people stateless? Who would have thought

@tommmicron

Жыл бұрын

Britain does this as well sometimes... sad

@hellishcyberdemon7112

Жыл бұрын

That's anti semitic you can't talk about that

Japan has an interesting, if tangential, citizenship policy. Say you are born in Japan to at least one American parent. By those countries' citizenship laws, you are born a dual citizen of Japan and the US. But once you're 20 years old, the Japanese government says "alright time's up you gotta pick one. Either renounce your Japanese citizenship, or renounce all others". This is because Japan does not permit dual citizenship but understands that you can't reasonable prosecute a toddler for having foreign parents

@RFLCPTR

Жыл бұрын

Germany had the same policy until the 2000s, only with the choice being at becoming 18, not 20, years old

@Seltyk

Жыл бұрын

@@RFLCPTR interesting, considering Germany is at the heart of the EU and most EU nations (to my knowledge) allow dual citizenship

@RFLCPTR

Жыл бұрын

@@Seltyk Germany changed their policy so you can have multiple citizenships and arent forced to any renounciations

@Seltyk

Жыл бұрын

@@RFLCPTR oh! I misread your comment; I thought you meant the only change was lowering the number in 2000 XD

@rzpogi

Жыл бұрын

To add: the Japanese government gives you 2 years to think about it so at your 22nd birthday you should have already made your decision. At her 22nd birthday, Filipino-Japanese pro-golfer Yuka Saso decided to be Japanese instead of Filipino due to the power of the Japanese passport, thus she can't represent the Philippines no more unless she applies for Filipino naturalization and renounce her Japanese citizenship.

I knew someone who was stateless from birth. His parents were Pakistani diplomats working in India. Because he was born in India, Pakistan wouldn't give him citizenship. And because he was Pakistani, India wouldn't give him citizenship either.

@EliasRoy

Жыл бұрын

He is the son of 2 Pakistani diplomats, why should India give him citizenship? Thank God, my country India abolished that nonsensical jus soli system which was abolished in 1987

@aiocafea

Жыл бұрын

@@EliasRoy he is the *son* of a pakistani diplomat OP didn't place the blame on india, they just described the situation by the same logic, pakistan respects jus soli, why should they offer the child citizenship? both very reasonable logical arguments but look how they created a stateless person

@HipFire1

Жыл бұрын

wait, don't diplomats sons get insta native citizenship status? why would Pakistan mess with their own diplomats like that?

@xungnham1388

Жыл бұрын

@@HipFire1 I'm guessing the policy wasn't originally intended for their diplomats, but for islamic families that didn't completely migrate along the borders when the countries gained their independence. Or it could just be the case that in some countries the national hate is really strong. India and Pakistan really hate each other; they may fight a nuclear war against each other. Once, I had a substitute physics teacher, and she told us this was the first school she's ever taught at where she had to be informed of which students were Ethiopian and which students were Eritrean and she had to keep them at opposite corners of the classroom at all times. Students that had no personal beef with each other, had beef with each other simply out of nationality.

@HipFire1

Жыл бұрын

i checked Wikipedia: Individuals born to parents who are citizens by descent only may alternatively acquire citizenship if their births are registered at a Pakistani diplomatic mission. so idk about this story.

The fact that all Argentina does is give you a certificate that says "dude trust us" and that people may or may not accept is *the* most Argentine thing ever. A few weeks ago I got my name legally changed, and at the end they took my old ID card, cut the corner with a scissor to invalidate it, then gave me a piece of paper that said I was in the process of getting a new ID and told me to show it if anyone ever gave me trouble over the invalidated card. The very same day, I go to the mail to pick up a package and they didn't want to accept my invalidated card even after I showed them the document...

@Hans5958

Жыл бұрын

Name change reasons aside, this seems like a bandaid approach since name changes are quite rare, and one does not simply learn if a certain document is actually real or not.

@ironcito1101

Жыл бұрын

@@Hans5958 Name changes are not so rare. Trans people alone are a sizeable and seemingly ever-larger group. Then you have people who don't want to be associated with their parent(s) for whatever reason, people who just don't like their name, artists who legally take their stage name, and so on. I know of plenty of cases, even in my family.

@docontra4921

Жыл бұрын

@@Hans5958 These issues pop up not just on name changes, it's on any change at all (including "Oh, my document expired, I'll have to renew it", and "Oh, I moved[1], I'll have to change my document") [1]: Argentinian law states that if you change your address, all your gov. issued documents (ID, Driving License) expire within 90 days and you must update them in that period (but few people do because Argentina, to the point that the government unofficially has the concept of "Real address" and "Registered address")

@docontra4921

Жыл бұрын

@@Physche Try "work visa residents getting their ID[1] _after_ it expired" 😉 based. [1]: Their only proof of not being illegal immigrants after 90 days in the country, and required to get a bank account and utilities

@docontra4921

Жыл бұрын

As an Argentinian resident I once lost my ID (pre-card), and I had to wait an entire year to get the "dude, trust us" certificate. And when I finally got the citizenship, I had to surrender my ID and all I got in return was a photoless paper saying "this dude is in the process of acquiring citizenship". Still beats what happens if you have Brazilian citizenship while living abroad most/all your life and haven't kept up with your paperwork tho...

As an Argentine I KNEW you were going to save us for last. One does not simply renounce Argentine citizenship.

@alexmush672

Жыл бұрын

The comment above you disagrees

@u0aol1

Жыл бұрын

LOL I've lived in Argentina for 10 years, started my family here, have permanent residency and I didn't know you couldn't renounce your citizenship. Learn something new every day!

@mati4252

Жыл бұрын

The government can revoke it for treason I think

@u0aol1

Жыл бұрын

@@mati4252 You are absolutely right. ARTICLE 7.- Native Argentines shall lose their nationality: a) when they become naturalised in a foreign State, except as provided for in the International Treaties in force for the Republic; b) for treason against the Fatherland, under the terms of sections 29 and 103 of the National Constitution.

@AussieBall_Animations

Жыл бұрын

Hi im Australian:)

Several Australian members of Parliament had to resign a few years back when it turned out they had dual citizenships they didn't even know about through their parents. Makes me wonder if someone born in Argentina could become an MP in Australia.

@Viatoriiii

Жыл бұрын

One of our pms was born in South America fun fact

@DMfan1994

Жыл бұрын

There was also the case of Sam Dastyari, who also had Iranian citizenship and spent $20,000 on Australian and Iranian lawyers over several years to renounce his Iranian citizenship just so he could run for Australian parliament. Not an easy process to run for some.

@dinamosflams

Жыл бұрын

makes me think if an argentinian can go to austria and have a son that will be an artist in germany 🤔

@tylerbozinovski427

Жыл бұрын

Yes, there was also the former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce, who was forced to renounce his New Zealand citizenship to continue serving in his position.

@TheScramblerTV

Жыл бұрын

@@dinamosflams If i remember correctly this actually happened one time. The guy seemed like a gentle soul and a real chill fella. He had great morals and wanted the best for his people, and he was a vegan so he also wanted the best for germany's animals. I heard he was so well-liked in his community that on his 50th birthday the entire country got together to celebrate him and bring him gifts. On that day, the generous man paid for the bus fares of every man, woman, and child in germany. And he was a fashion trendsetter with his interesting facial hair.

Japanese government: “Alright, you’re 20 now. Japan or Argentina?” dual Japanese-Argentine citizen: “Uhhhh... Japan.” Argentine government, breaking down the wall like the Kool-Aid Man: *“CHE ESO NO DÁ”*

@valenilluminati5685

Жыл бұрын

I think someone mentioned it in another comment. But because Argentinian citizenship cannot be revoked, Japan lets you have dual citizenship. Re fachero eso la verdad

@kiousuke2897

Жыл бұрын

@@valenilluminati5685 Piola B^)

@NullConflict

Жыл бұрын

If your citizenship is known to be difficult to revoke (rejection, prosecution, death penalty, etc.) then many countries grant exemption to "no dual-citizenship" laws. Some "no dual-citizens" laws may continue to apply. Example: dual-citizens are legal in Australia but are barred from many government roles and often unable to obtain security clearance.

@elecman748

Жыл бұрын

Argentina gov: Y CUANTAS COPAS TENES TAKATAKA PELOTUDO? 😭 👃

@matias4336

10 ай бұрын

Gobierno Argentino: No capo, sos alto vende patria

Costa Rica is an interesting example. Citizenship is non renounciable, and until very recently it was not legal to hold another nationality either. However, our legislative powers had to craft an amendment to allow for dual citizenship due to a specific person: namely the first Central American born astronaut, Franklin Chang-Díaz, who had to become a US citizen to be enlisted in the NASA, which is technically a branch of the army.

@I_am_somebody_1234

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Once a tico, always a tico

@meta567

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe NASA is a branch of the military. It was established as a civilian agency with civilians in charge of it. This means that people in the agency's leadership must not be active members of the military (they can be former military, however). They do work with the military (primarily Air Force and Navy) to contract astronauts who are on loan from the military. However, there are also civilian astronauts who are not part of any branch of the military. There is, however, a branch of the U.S. military is dedicated to space, the U.S. Space Force (formerly part of the Air Force).

@nekajuii

Жыл бұрын

Last place I expected to find another Costa Rica, specially with a top comment lol

@memebandit

Жыл бұрын

NASA is a civilian agency and many non-military US persons have flown on NASA missions.

@IoT_

Жыл бұрын

@@nekajuii Pura vida

As someone living in argentina currently, I now understand why my parents made such a big deal to have me born in the US

@JustAlice_Mai

Жыл бұрын

Argentine citizenship is easy to get, no problem The impossible part is renouncing it

@_n00b

Жыл бұрын

The real hard part is escape from argentina, cityzenship is the minor of You problems Soy de Argentina

@floppyearfriend

Жыл бұрын

Do you not run into any problems when it comes to dual citizenship? I got from the video that the US doesn't allow dual citizenship, although I may have misunderstood. Regardless, yeah, I suppose that's one of the interesting things about the US. As long as you're born on their land, you're automatically considered an American citizen.

@floppyearfriend

Жыл бұрын

@@_n00b Flaco ese es el tema, si mirás el video te das cuenta que en sí si no podés perder la ciudadanía entonces en cierto sentido no podés escapar nunca de Argentina jaja. Lo cual en cierto sentido es irónico, si te fijás como el gobierno odia a los cipayos vendepatria y coso.

@AlfaEcho

Жыл бұрын

@@floppyearfriend the Us definitely allows dual citizenship (in fact I know people with triple citizenship, one of them US) Just out of curiosity, from where in the Video did you get the impression that the us doesn't allow dual citizenship?

Having looked into the US process, it is actually even harder than you claim, because first: you don't want to renounce, that's for enemies and tax evaders. You WILL be treated as a traitor. If you're poor, as most are, then you want to relinquish, but you left out that this requires multiple meetings, and at the end of it, the US retains the right to simply say no. For whatever reason the officials feel like. It may be possible in general, but for some people, it is impossible. Always. And you left out the shame list. All those who lose citizenship have their names and addresses published. America really, really, really hates losing citizens and Congress wants to make it as painful as possible.

@jonathanodude6660

Жыл бұрын

wtf? where is this published?

@toddgardner6355

Жыл бұрын

It is easier to change your name. Move to a country that does not have a trade agreement with the USA, become a citizen of that country, legally change your name in that country and let your old name die. In the USA if you don't exist on paper for 7 years you can be declared legally dead. Dead people are no longer citizens.

@KioAMVs

Жыл бұрын

@@history8192 Yup. They don't want to hide it. They want you to know, so they can discourage you from doing it. Scare tactic.

@johnmcconnell7052

Жыл бұрын

Hate to say it but yep the US has the issue when someone wants to leave the citizenship behind we are pretty much taught to think anyone who leaves American citizenship behind is basically saying fuck America and that it means betrayal. Most tend to stick to this mindset not all of them do however, some of us do realize there are reasons to leave the citizenship behind of a country. Admittedly I will likely keep my citizenship simply for the rights that I have as a born citizen while if I was to visit without the citizenship the rights become guidelines for US government hence I dislike the idea.

@Soruk42

Жыл бұрын

seemed easy enough for Boris Johnson - he was a dual British/US national, but he had the distinction of becoming the elected British Prime Minister.

Tunisia and Germany have a weird combination of dual citizenship. Germany does not accept dual citizens (from certain countries) so they take your Tunisian passport when you get a German one. However that passport is property of the Tunisian government (it's even written on the passport) so the Germans send your passport to the nearest Tunisian embassy/consulate. The the Tunisians just call you and ask you to come get your passport :D Even though everyone is aware of what's happening they keep doing it.

@bloodlove93

11 ай бұрын

that's hilarious. it's like the parents take the childs toy away and the grandparents give it back

@bbl5499

11 ай бұрын

😅.

@eisikater1584

7 ай бұрын

I'm German. Didn't know about that, but sounds like good old German pragmatism, and I like it. "We do not allow dual citizenship, so we have to take your passport. On the other hand, we cannot steal a foreign government's property, so we have to give it back to them."

@faleilham8334

7 ай бұрын

The Chad Tunis embassy

@andreaweber8059

7 ай бұрын

I am German. I did not know of this, but it sounds very German to me. It even makes sense in my brain - what does that say about me?

Some funny tidbits about being (or becoming) an Argentine citizen: Acquiring argentine citizenship is as easy as just coming here, staying a few years, and then asking a judge "yeah I want to be argentine", encouraging immigration here is part of our constitution and as such, the requirements to become one of us are quite low. No real barriers to immigrating here either, just come here, state that you want to stay forever...then stay forever (but why would you) Also, since you cannot renounce your citizenship easily (but you actually CAN), many countries, including Austria and Japan have exceptions regarding Argentine citizens, meaning you can become a dual Austrian-Argentinian or Japanese-Argentinian (there are quite a few of those!) citizen without having to choose one or the other. I mentioned that you can actually renounce your Argentine citizenship...well, yes you can, as long as you have dual citizenship (so that you don't end up stateless afterwards), the issue really is that Law 346 (the "Citizenship Act") simply doesn't provide any legal procedure for losing your citizenship, so losing it requires going to a Federal Court and asking very nicely to have it revoked. No, really, it is that simple, since matters not regulated by law are left to the judicial system to resolve.

@omarevans2715

Жыл бұрын

There’s no US law setting out the procedure for renunciation either; it’s an administrative thing where the government just decides to ignore your existence since you’re somewhere else.

@haraffael7821

Жыл бұрын

I understand why Austria and Japan have it, after where our guys went after WW2

@JaysonGamboa

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I was actually wondering what would happen if you tried to get Japanese citizenship as an Argentinian

@murakyo79

Жыл бұрын

@@haraffael7821 Argentina has the biggest Austrian community in Latin America and, the japanese is one of the biggest too (There are more in Peru and Brasil)

@rafa57games

Жыл бұрын

Argentina encourage immigration, but only as long as you're white and not a Jew.

Bulgaria has compulsory voting and still elections have around 37-40% participation, because there is no punishment for not voting

@zach_c

Жыл бұрын

In Australia you get like a $20 fine; it’s barely anything lmao

@captain61games49

Жыл бұрын

@@zach_c why shouldn't you vote??

@KarlSmith1

Жыл бұрын

@@zach_c Way back when, it was $50, when $50 was a sizable fine. It's the only government charge or fine I know of that has actually been lowered, not raised, over the years. It's almost as if the politicians don't really care about the participation rate, despite all claiming to support compulsory voting.

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

Жыл бұрын

@@KarlSmith1 It's because the People who are More Likely to vote for their Opposition don't vote.

@sohopedeco

Жыл бұрын

In Brazil, it is also mandatory and you have a R$3 fine (less the one dollar) for not voting. Until you pay it, you can't get a new passport nor be hired as a civil servant.

My dad renounced his American citizenship (he had immigrated to Canada) precisely because of the tax BS. It saved us a lot of headache when he died

@coldsoulanimation7412

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious, why did our dad dying make things easier? Were you all still *in America* as he did that?

@TheGreenTaco999

Жыл бұрын

"It saved us a lot of headache when he died"

@Bud55

11 ай бұрын

"It saved us a lot of headache when he died" that's an odd thing to say about your own dad.

@ellevasc

11 ай бұрын

@@Bud55no it isn’t lol they’re just saying that had their dad died an american citizen, things would’ve been more complicated for their family.

@annaleist9983

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, they could spend less time doing tedious paperwork and more time grieving

This reminded me of a court case in the UK. There was a woman from Northern Ireland. Something unique about Northern Ireland is that it's part of the UK, but people from there are entitled to Irish citizenship as well as British. So she had an Irish passport. She wanted to get residency for her non-EU husband. The UK is quite strict when it comes to spouse visas, but at the time the UK was still in the EU and she could use her EU free movement rights to allow her husband to live with her. So she applied for that as an Irish citizen. The British government rejected her request. They told her that because she was born in the UK, she also has British citizenship, so the EU free movement laws did not apply. But she could renounce her British citizenship, and then re-apply. Doing that wouldn't affect any other rights because Irish citizens have equal rights in the UK. But she refused to do that, because it would mean acknowledging she had British citizenship in the first place. She argued that according to the Good Friday Agreement, the UK had no right to force citizenship on her in the first place, and that she had the right to be treated only as an Irish citizen. So she took the government to court. Not sure what the eventual outcome was. The British government gave her husband residency anyway, and now the UK is out of the EU the original issue doesn't apply. But she continued with the court case anyway as a matter of principle.

@kiradotee

Жыл бұрын

Other funny cases is giving birth in Northern Ireland so the child gets both British and Irish citizenships. Although some terms and conditions apply.

@jonathanodude6660

Жыл бұрын

i dont see how the british government could lose here. anyone born on (certain areas of) british soil is automatically a british citizen. northern ireland is within the uk, so she gets full access to the complete british citizenship by birth that everyone else in the uk gets. yes, she has to renounce her british citizenship to not be british. though, im a bit confused as to why she had to use EU movement law in the UK over UK law, nor why she couldnt use the EU movement law to get him to ireland and then "move" to NI afterwards. the UK was non-schengen whule it was in the EU. no EU movement law applied to NI nor the rest or the UK if you were a non-UK citizen of the EU.

@Psyk60

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanodude6660 Well it's not technically true that *anyone* born in the UK is automatically a citizen, but yes, under British law she gained citizenship at birth. Her argument is that she claims automatically giving her British citizenship violates the Good Friday Agreement, because according to that people from Northern Ireland have the right to be British or Irish. I just looked up the case, and in the end she actually sort of won. The UK government agreed that the EU family settlement scheme would apply to people from Northern Ireland without having to renounce their British citizenship. Easy to see why they gave in though. This happened while the UK was leaving the EU, just before free movement rules stopped applying anyway. Going forward they can impose the same rules to spouses of Irish citizens as they do for British ones. So there is no longer any reason for the British government to continue arguing against it. As for the free movement thing, it's not related to Schengen. EU citizens have the right to live in any other EU country, regardless of Schengen. And they also have the right to bring their non-EU spouse with them. However that only applies to citizens of other EU countries. It doesn't say anything about how countries have to treat their own citizens. So UK immigration law was more restrictive than the EU free movement laws. As she was a British citizen in the government's eyes, the UK rules applied, not the EU ones.

@ridanann

Жыл бұрын

Northern Ireland will soon enough by a principality of Ireland proper given the UK literally does not give a s*** about it any more from a Celtic prospective we don't care we are a ethnic group we are not a nationalistic bunch of c**** and from the English perspective well they don't really care about anything outside of London basically they don't want to join in like a lot of foreigners come here content to be a separate people for over 1000 years it's like renting a bedroom to an antisocial person

@petermgruhn

Жыл бұрын

Thank Heavens we have governments, or nobody would ever be able to live with their loved ones.

The fact Americans, Hungarians, Burmese and Eritreans have to pay tax to their birth country when they're living and working a whole new life in another country is absolutely unbelievably insane. I had to look it up because I didn't even believe it. Sorry to those from those four countries. They're effectively slaves to their country. My next door neighbours are Hungarian immigrants, gotta ask them about this.

@morbidsearch

Жыл бұрын

I saw another comment on this video where a Hungarian emigrant said that it's not true for Hungary, and Tapakapa responded with a quote from an article, but the quote itself disproved his claim

@SatoshiAR

Жыл бұрын

A few other countries adopt similar systems for law enforcement, for example South Koreans living abroad are still bound to South Korean law in addition to the laws of the current country they're in. I think the biggest example of this is the government threatening criminal charges for Korean expats who dare to use marijuana (recreational & medical) in legalized states. I have no idea how its enforceable though.

@generatoralignmentdevalue

Жыл бұрын

I think America has a pretty high minimum income before they double-tax. You still have to file though, and filing your taxes in the US is a very complicated process.

@laurencefraser

Жыл бұрын

@@SatoshiAR It's actually quite common for nations to require citizens to uphold their laws even while in other countries (though it's usually it's limited to 'even if it's legal there, if it's illegal here you're still not allowed to do it', and I believe it may often only apply to certain subsets of the legal code rather than the whole thing).

@BlitzOfTheReich

Жыл бұрын

@@generatoralignmentdevalue yes, you can take the deduction for $108,000 or use the foreign tax credit.

This really highlights how citizens are more like property than members...

@drachenzahne9262

Жыл бұрын

Very true.

In America, everyone loves to tell each other to leave the country if they are not happy here. I say we should donate money to those who want to leave because we make it so difficult to run away from the country.

@morbidsearch

Жыл бұрын

@Buck Rothschild They think disinviting college speakers is anti-free speech but they pass legislation to shut down movements to boycott goods from Israeli occupied Palestine

@ihcend

Жыл бұрын

Do it yourself. If you want to leave the country, you won't be able to go to Europe and instantly get a job. You need to learn a skill, learning a skill is an easy way to get a job and make money. If you cant at least save up 2 grand with that skill try again.

@jamertheramer240

Жыл бұрын

@@ihcend You can have the skills to move but not the money as moving is a lot more money and American wages are inferior to wages in Europe. So I say again, if you want someone out, donate to them directly or stop your whining when they show disinterest/hatred in the country.

@wolphin732

Жыл бұрын

American citizens who are told to leave should turn around and demand they pay them the exit tax and the fees if they feel that badly... and I doubt they would be willing to do so.

@redlion45

11 ай бұрын

​@@ihcend I'm a dentist who moved to Australia. I shouldn't have had to pay the ridiculous fee and do the insane amount of paperwork to do it. If america truly is "mUh gReAtEsT CoUnTrY" I would have been able to revoke my citizenship for free.

US be like, “There are only two things which are certain : death and taxes.”

@Claro1993

Жыл бұрын

More like three things: Death, debt, and taxes.

@brandonlyon730

Жыл бұрын

Funny enough the citizens of Kuwait pay no sort of income taxes.

@SilverState99

Жыл бұрын

@@Claro1993 No, you can escape or avoid debt. But there's no way in hell Uncle Sam will let you be free if you don't pay taxes

@user-ci3gk8um8l

Жыл бұрын

@@SilverState99 as a US citizen I am the literal definition of Government property (slavery)

@jacobjohnson2603

Жыл бұрын

@Buck Rothschild sounds like someone's bad with money

Being an Iranian is like being in a relationship with an abusive country. First it makes your life a living hell, then it does its best not to let you leave with its useless passport and currency, and if you manage get past all the hurdles and leave, it makes it costly as hell, and even after you've left, you will be haunted by its bad reputation and nightmares everywhere you go for the rest of your life.

@BabushkaTwerking

2 ай бұрын

Same with my disgusting Moroccan passport

@velocirapture89

Ай бұрын

So the USA and Iran DO have something in common!

Becoming stateless is even illegal according to some international agreements

@Liggliluff

Жыл бұрын

And, if I'm not wrong, if you're under the age of 18, and is stateless, you can automatically become a Swedish citizen.

@walli6388

Жыл бұрын

@@Liggliluff Well, Rohingya are stateless.

@quisqueyanguy120

Жыл бұрын

@@Liggliluff The hell? How does that even work?

@Liggliluff

Жыл бұрын

@@quisqueyanguy120 It's up to each state if they want to hand out citizenship, and Sweden decided that the requirements for stateless children is no requirements.

@EliasRoy

Жыл бұрын

@@Liggliluff That’s messed up

Technically a republic of china citizen. They won't let me renounce without being physically present at a administrative building in Taiwan. Buttt... due to the fact that no country recognize it as a sovergine nation, technically I'm not a citizen because it doesn't exist. I'm just going to go about life as if I'm only a Canadian citizen.

@liamboote225

Жыл бұрын

I mean like 15ish countries do recognise the ROC over the PRC, but those are mostly small countries, like Honduras, Saint Lucia and the Vatican, who would have no ties to the PRC anyways

@pawelzielinski1398

Жыл бұрын

so you can't really travel with Taiwan's passport?

@LiteralCrimeRave

Жыл бұрын

@@pawelzielinski1398 You can, Visa free to quite a few nations, including the US

@nmplab

Жыл бұрын

@@pawelzielinski1398 traveling to PRC controlled areas, you cannot use an ROC passport, but they recognize something else called the Mainland Travel Permit.

@pawelzielinski1398

Жыл бұрын

@@nmplab Thanks for the explanation, but I was mostly interested how other normal countries treat citizens of ROC/Taiwan, since majority of countries do not have diplomatic relationship with Taiwan or even formally recognize its sovergnity. I am sure that Taiwanese passports comply with international standards.

In Mexico in the 80s and probably 90s you could renounce your citizenship in 'paper' you would get the papers saying that you renounced your citizen ship but the documentation would fall in the cracks so you would still be Mexican. All you had to do was to say that you needed that paper but didn't want to loose your citizenship and pay a small bribe.

@My_Old_YT_Account

Жыл бұрын

Least corrupt Mexican government department

@oxybrightdark8765

Жыл бұрын

Why would you want that?

@tyler8253

Жыл бұрын

@@oxybrightdark8765 To apply for citizenship in countries where dual citizenship isn't allowed while also not renouncing your Mexican one.

@arcturuslight_

Жыл бұрын

@@tyler8253 Stealth citizenship. What a lifehack)

@My_Old_YT_Account

Жыл бұрын

@@oxybrightdark8765 The Mexican passport is surprisingly good, the only place it doesn't allow you in easily is the US

As a Hungarian, I have to point out that Hungary DOES NOT tax you if you live outside of the country, irrespective of having only Hungarian or dual citizenship. I have lived and worked for decades outside the country, so I had personal experience of this.

@Tapakapa

Жыл бұрын

This says differently. assets.ey.com/content/dam/ey-sites/ey-com/en_gl/topics/tax/tax-guides/2022/ey-personal-tax-and-immigration-guide-11-mar-22.pdf#page=620?download "Residents are subject to income tax on worldwide income, regardless of whether the funds are transferred into Hungary. Nonresidents are taxed on income from Hungarian sources only. However, tax treaty provisions may override the domestic rule. Hungarian citizens are considered tax residents. A dual citizen is not a Hungarian tax resident if he or she does not have either a permanent home or habitual abode in Hungary."

@vulpes7079

Жыл бұрын

@@Tapakapa that last paragraph literally proves you're wrong. A person who lives in Hungary gets *all* their income taxed, no matter where it's stored, but a Hungarian living outside of Hungary doesn't get taxed on any income

@harshsrivastava9570

Жыл бұрын

@@Tapakapa additionally, nonresidents are only taxed from Hungarian income sources (i.e. if you are a Hungarian citizen who lives outside Hungary and doesn't work for a Hungarian company, you will not be taxed in Hungary)

@jonathanodude6660

Жыл бұрын

@@harshsrivastava9570 reread the last paragraph. "Hungarian citizens are considered tax residents." you cannot be a citizen and not a resident for tax purposes unless you are a dual citizen.

@jk-gb4et

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanodude6660 yes but "dual citizen" doesn't have to

An acquaintance of mine has had an Austrian citizenship since forever. He's also got a Syrian one. He says that the Austrian government let him keep his Syrian citizenship as an exception because it is illegal to renounce your Syrian citizenship under the threat of death penalty. So yea, he's got both.

@neeha9449

Жыл бұрын

well that's interesting

@johannchlimon4276

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Syrian citizenship can't be renounced and some countries which don't allow dual citizenship (like Germany) made exceptions for such countries where it's impossible to renounce. They told me you're German everywhere except in Syria and other countries which have strong relationships with, like for example Lebanon. If I commit a crime in Lebanon, the Lebanese government can decide if to treat me as a German or Syrian

@ammar4082

Жыл бұрын

It's a curse that's impossible to git rid of.

@jwenting

Жыл бұрын

similar with Moroccan citizenship. As you're property of the king and the king doesn't like losing his property you can't denounce your citizenship.

@dominionian7193

Жыл бұрын

I have a friend who's a US citizen that happens to have Syrian citizenship because he's originally from there, and came to the US as a child. He does not utilize his Syrian citizenship, it's simply a mere fact that the government there has him listed as a citizen. He applied for some government contracting job in the US, and it look him nearly forever to get his clearance. His Syrian citizenship is not something he can renounce, so yea... having it can be a curse.

A little daunting to remember that a lot of countries legally mandate young men to fight other men with guns and incendiary devices.

@ShadowManceri

Жыл бұрын

True, but you rather just be a target or actually shoot back?

@d007ization

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowManceri Idk, ending other peoples' lives or lucking out and ending them myself both sound like terrible things. Even if my animal instincts lean towards the former. And the way you worded that somewhat implies that the other side is gleefully mowing down my friends and family, which is uh, propaganda.

@ShadowManceri

Жыл бұрын

@@d007ization So a foreign army walks in and everyone just gives their land without single bit of resistance. If you do resist you get shot. And you are there, this is fine, do whatever you want, I won't do anything to protect anything I hold dear? There is major difference attacking and defending. While you have nearly zero justification to attack, you have every justification to defend what you have, including your life. So I don't feel bad if I need to kill someone to defend, assuming that is the only thing I can do. In a war that often is the only thing you can do. For example look at recent war where they are literally killing and torturing and robbing even civilians. At the end, either you care about yourself or someone will end you. Those are your two and only options. And yes, running away is taking care of yourself. But that is not realistic in national level for everyone to do and you still lose everything but your life, if you are lucky.

@d007ization

Жыл бұрын

@@ShadowManceri Not usually how conscription works (and even that scenario runs into the gender imbalance of conscription which is another can of worms). But in the scenario you're referring and alluding to.... yeah stuff is fucked.

@ShadowManceri

Жыл бұрын

@@d007ization I wonder what you mean by not usually. You said it's daunting idea to have people defending the country. That's the usual purpose of conscription. I would go even further and make it a duty to defend your country. Note, defending, not attacking.

Austria. A certain WW1 war veteran from Austria with a small moustache, after the war, was adamant about his war time service in the German army entitling him German citizenship, but the Bavarian / German government did not agree. He actually renounced his Austrian citizenship in the 1920s and became stateless. It was not until the early 30s when Berlin local government gave him Berlin citizenship that he became officially German. Before he came to power in Germany in 1933, he had been living near the Austrian border and one of the reasons was that if he faced arrest by German authorities he could quickly escape to Austria.

@cristianpajaro8323

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@candyneige6609

Жыл бұрын

That certain WW1 war veteran turned out to be the most loved person in all of Germany, and he is loved so much by the German population that he's even considered a national hero in Germany to this day.

@Model3140digitalalarmclock

Жыл бұрын

@@candyneige6609 I heard my Argentinian grandpa killed him 😞

@candyneige6609

Жыл бұрын

@@Model3140digitalalarmclock Why are you sad ?

@Model3140digitalalarmclock

Жыл бұрын

@@candyneige6609 read my username 💀

Don't forget the US publishes a list of all the people who have renounced their citizenship

@iamthestig1

10 ай бұрын

Isn't that illegal under GDPR?

@laisphinto6372

7 ай бұрын

isnt that a hitlist?

@davidslevs

Ай бұрын

​@@iamthestig1GDPR is european. The US doesn't have nor cares about GDPR

@sera_kath

Ай бұрын

​@@iamthestig1 The GDPR is an EU regulation. It doesn't apply to the US.

There should be a tier above impossible Countries that claim foreign nationals are their citizens. Like the DPRK does with South Koreans or how China claims the Taiwanese are citizens of the Chinese mainland.

@me0_0irl

Жыл бұрын

Russia issued Russian passports to Ukrainian prisoners without their consent.

@sciloj

Жыл бұрын

After the fall of the Soviet Union, some people who were sent by the Soviet government to work in different Soviet republics (that became independent countries at that time) were practically forced into new citizenship and given no real option besides keeping a no longer valid Soviet passport and losing all their rights there. Obtaining just a legal residence wasn't an option. That mostly happened to people who were from the Russian Federation originally but worked in Central Asian countries.

@TD-er

Жыл бұрын

What about the Moroccan nationality. As far as I understood, you're considered Moroccan when one of your parents has Moroccan nationality. Also impossible to give up.

@MarkLinJA

Жыл бұрын

The claims are mutual between ROC/PRC and ROK/DPRK. Both come from legacies of the Cold War, both legally see each other’s territory as a part of a united whole over which they’re the sole rightful govt and both states are legally obliged to reunify with the other in a West & East Germany way. Keeping the ROK thing is actually useful because it actually gives the North Koreans a path to escape and receive ROK diplomatic assistance

@idontexist1511

10 ай бұрын

China is quite lax on loss of nationality because: 1. The law is unclear enough that it technically renunciation without other citizenship even when you'll become stateless. (Nowhere in the Chinese nationality law that prohibits this) 2. Any foreign nationality acquired at free will means you automatically lose Chinese nationality.

In Uruguay we lived through a very brutal dictatorship, and it's always possible to force a person to "voluntarily" give up their citizenship. Honestly, the real blame should be with countries that force you to give up a previous citizenship. With the world more connected than ever before, why be so strict? I have dual citizenship in Uruguay (from birth) and the United States (naturalized), and I feel like a full citizen of both.

@rustypwn

Жыл бұрын

This very much, the video made Argentina, Uruguay and other countries look like the bad guys when they ones taxing people that doesn't live there is United States lol (specially the end of the whole video), and anyway most of the no dual citizenship countries have agreements with our countries to permit dual citizenship tho (at least the most desirable to live there ones like Japan, Austria, Bahrein, Germany, etc)

@leandrotami

6 ай бұрын

Definitely, the issue are countries who force you to renounce, not countries that will always recognize you as one of their own.

@DogDogGodFog

3 ай бұрын

@@leandrotami The problem is that they force citizenship duties onto you even if you have nothing to do with the country anymore.

In the Philippines, Filipino dual citizens who are natural born Filipino from birth are allowed to do everthing a natural born Filipino could do except run for elective positions.

Actually, there is a small group of Zainichi Koreans that are technically stateless, but are permanent residents of Japan. It was a special designation for Koreans who decided to stay in Japan after the war, but did not chose either South or North Korean citizenship. Currently, less than 7% of Zainichi Koreans are under this class of stateless permanent residents of Japan.

Pretty sure North Korea is the most restrictive. They won't even let you leave the country to visit another country on holiday for a couple of weeks.

@kiradotee

Жыл бұрын

Or a day

@mati4252

Жыл бұрын

@@kiradotee Or an hour

@s4yum1

Жыл бұрын

In the unlikely event that you manage to escape North Korea, you will automatically become a South Korean citizen. Both Koreas claim the entire peninsula.

@Hattivatti91

Жыл бұрын

Turkmenistan and Eritrea are also extremely restrictive.

@Banom7a

Жыл бұрын

or even move to a different city without permit lol

Here's an interesting one: If you were to get a Dutch citizenship you have to renounce your old one but after that you are allowed to retake that old citizenship and have them both.

I renounced my USA citizenship back in 2016... I ended up stateless for 3 years .. It's a long story, but in the end I was able to prove having German citizenship and I'm no longer stateless. I do not recommend becoming stateless by choice! It was a real eye opener for me, but I'm so very glad that I'm no longer a stateless person. Again, it's a very long story, altuhough it was not my goal to become stateless, I want to warn anyone who is considering being stateless by choice against it, very bad idea!

@blahblah2779

Жыл бұрын

What happened after being state less?

@Inisfad

Жыл бұрын

I would wonder why you would want to renounce your US citizenship??

@gracehofferbert5139

Жыл бұрын

@@blahblah2779 I was able with the help of some good friends who lived in Germany, to get some documents on my behalf. Long story, and it's a very long story short, I was recognized as a German citizen, something that I was born with bit never knew about prior. I now live in Germany.

@gracehofferbert5139

Жыл бұрын

@@Inisfad , it's a long story... I was trafficked with my baby and the traffickers threatened my kid unless I renounced my citizenship, which took all the money I had, making me stateless... I thought at that time, that I would be able to go back to the USA embassy if I got us safe and explain myself and that they would be understanding and help us...I was wrong. I was no longer a USA citizen and once it's gone, you can't get it back. I was $@#@ out of luck and In a very literal way .. On my own. Looking back, I wish that I could do many things differently, but at least I'm alive and not stateless anymore. I can tell my story. I will someday, I hope that I'll be ok enough to get it all down in writing someday soon. I hope this answers your question, it's more involved than this, but like I said... Long story.

@Inisfad

Жыл бұрын

@@gracehofferbert5139 Wow. I do hope that all works out well for you. That’s a saga I wish on no one.

This channel is always the best at answering questions I didn’t know needed answering.

My blood pressure spiked when he started talking about Austrian ethnicity, citizenship and nationality.

@kyoto9660

Жыл бұрын

ah yes cause of the funny mustache model i assume?

@Kameliius

Жыл бұрын

I thought he was gonna say that we're Germans in ethnicity. - Sad he didn't tho, because we obviously are.

@yuvalne

Жыл бұрын

+

@kyoto9660

Жыл бұрын

@@Kameliius well yes landesmann

@hatinmyselfiscool2879

Жыл бұрын

@@Kameliius german is just a collective term of different ethnicities that fit together because of similar language and more or less similar political connection. I feel like every culture can be put into further sub ethnicities, and bavarian austrian ethnicity is a thing after all

As an Australian duel Citizen I got scared for a second

@yann5489

Жыл бұрын

same hahah

@LochyP

Жыл бұрын

Duel citizen? I thought that was outlawed decades ago?

@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106

Жыл бұрын

@@LochyP ???

@KarlSmith1

Жыл бұрын

@@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106 I believe he's pointing out the spelling error. Dual, not duel.

@ihatethatyoutubedisplaysyo8106

Жыл бұрын

@@KarlSmith1 If that was the intended goal, I'll admit I'm wrong, but I highly doubt it.

I have 3 passports. I have never had to renounce her Majesty the Queen of her empire. I was born in London. I became a "naturalised citizen" in Australia when I was 18 years old. My father was born in Ireland, and through paternity I am a citizen of Ireland and therefore a citizen of the European Union.

@pawelzielinski1398

Жыл бұрын

that's pretty cool.

@enzheimer

Жыл бұрын

As an Indian with very limited visa free access Passport, this brings tears to my eyes

@jvaneck8991

Жыл бұрын

@@enzheimer Keep in mind that the passport system, designed by European monarchs, was specifically designed to keep people from countries like India out of European countries. "Passport control" is exactly that: control.

@cyan_oxy6734

Жыл бұрын

EU citizenship isn't really thing though as the EU isn't a country. You can't have a valid passport issued by the EU, as the EU can't issue any passports. Only your country where you have a citizenship can. Your Irish passport may have European union written on it but that doesn't make it two passports.

@dmitripogosian5084

7 ай бұрын

@@cyan_oxy6734 Sure, but you can get the benefits of being a citizen of EU country

Tangential- Gaining citizenship kn the Netherlands (among other places, I'm sure) generally requires renouncing previous citizenship UNLESS doing so would incur significant costs. Some years ago, an American citizen argued in court that the $2,000 fee to renounce was equal to a month's expenses for him, and a month's worth of expenses is certainly a significant cost. The court agreed, setting precedent for low to mid income American immigrants.

I was born in Iran while my American parents were working there in the 1950’s. I was given both citizenships, however at that time, in the USA at 18, you had to decide between the too. I went to the Iranian consoles and renounced that citizenship. They told me that I was an Iranian citizen by birth rite. This was in the 1970’s. If I was ever to have gone back to Iran, I would have had to serve in the military. At that time the USA didn’t allow dual citizenship.

I'm American, but have lived in Thailand for 18 years. My citizenship means very little to me. I pay a small amount of tax to the US, then get it all back, every year. Obtaining Thai citizenship is difficult and offers very few benefits. Losing US citizenship would be problematic in many aspects. So, I just maintain status quo. Everyone's happy.

@ahha6304

9 ай бұрын

as a Thai having Thai citizenship means almost nothing, and also as a former intern of the MFA (your DOS), please don't apply for Thai citizenship unless super necessary

In America if you attempt to renounce your citizenship you'll have to go through a process that costs on average 2-5k USD. And then that process gets denied repeatedly because the point is to get you both paying to get rid of the citizenship and paying american federal income tax for as long as possible. Sweden has it on record to not recognize those debts, as many other countries do

@troodon1096

5 ай бұрын

It's not so much that they care if you leave but that they want to make sure people don't leave on a whim or just to avoid legal obligations. If you want to leave and never go back, you could just well, stop paying US taxes; they have no jurisdiction to punish you for not doing so unless or until you set foot in the US again, so just... don't do that. (They can try to force foreign governments to enforce the tax debt, but that won't work in countries that don't recognize the debt or as a policy choose to ignore debts to foreign governments. Or ones that have no enforcement agreements with the US.) To be honest people with the means to permanently leave the US and become residents/citizens elsewhere can usually afford to pay the fees if they really want to.

Note that, while Argentina does in fact have compulsory voting, you are not required to vote if you can demonstrate to your nearest Argentinian consulate/embassy that you're residing abroad (including neighboring countries). You then can enroll to vote for president/vice-president, with no punishment for not showing up to vote. Argentinian law also has a provision to waive all penalties/fees if you can prove you were more than 500 km away from your voting station[1], whether in Argentina or abroad. And on the flip-side, Argentina is pretty much the only country I know of that grants entry to Argentinian citizens with more than one citizenship that use a foreign passport (as tourists, and without visa regardless of whether it's required to or not). Pretty much every other country in the world in this case will deny you entry if you don't have the correct passport/ID. Brazil on the other hand does have mandatory voting no matter where you are in the world, and actual serious penalties/fees, but they do allow you to renounce your civic duties without losing your citizenship (you're not getting them back *ever* tho). [1]: This law was heavily publicized in the 2001 midterms as a disenfranchised alternative to voting blank/nullifying your vote. The law states that you must justify _why_ you were > 500km away from your voting station, but in practice it's not required. PS: In Argentina, you can only vote in the voting station that has been assigned to you by the government, based on your declared address (as seen in your ID). Polling places are in alphabetical order, and until ~2013-2015, were segregated by gender (each station had either all men or all women, as declared in the ID; by the late 90's/early 00's there were already trans people that had gotten the gender field in their IDs changed, and since 2020-2021 there's a non-binary gender option).

@kiradotee

Жыл бұрын

In the UK you can show up with any passport and say you're a UK citizen. They'll check and will let you in. Obviously you have to say sorry and mumble some reason other than being lazy. P.S. However, you may or may not be able to get to the UK border depending if the airline let's you in. If you have a visa free passport they will but if your second passport requires a visa to the UK they won't let you onboard even though UK would be happy to accept you back.

@yoshiagiota5299

Жыл бұрын

The only penalty for not voting in Brazil is a R$1,00 fee and that's it.

@docontra4921

Жыл бұрын

@@yoshiagiota5299 and, among many other "well fsck you!" measures, not being able to get/renew your passport[1] (especially harmful to expats because IDs in Brazil are issued by each state instead of the federal government, which means that embassies/consulates can't issue them). And yes, I know this first hand because it happened to me (I had voted but lost the comprobant of one of my votes and the consulate -- *where I had cast my votes* -- made me write a letter to the electoral tribunal begging for mercy, which I got). [1]: in fairness, technically also the case in Argentina. But if there's any enforcement at all it's extremely recent.

@jasonreed7522

Жыл бұрын

Gendered voting facilities is an interesting concept, in the US its fairly common for an entire household to go together. (With polling places being assigned by address) I assume it was established in the beginning when women were first granted the right to vote and then it was either too much if a pain or considered not particularly problematic so it went unchanged until recently.

@docontra4921

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonreed7522 It was a bit of both: Unified ID came ~60 years after compulsory voting for men (about a century after any kind of voting), and ~30 years after compulsory voting for women. Before unified IDs, your ID depended on your gender: Conscription document for men, "Civic notebook" for women. And in a genius move, both of these documents (and the unified ID) have incremental numbers (the person to be registered right after you got your ID number + 1); and those that renewed from an old style ID to the unified ID kept the same number (by design). Which means that most people who was born before the unified ID has at least one more person with the same ID number. And until recently there were still people rocking their OG IDs instead of the unified ones, because none of them (including the old style unified IDs[1]) had an expiration date until a ministerial/presidential decree came along declaring all old IDs to be expired sometime in the mid 2010s. (Bonus: Whenever somebody asked for your ID number they'd also request the kind of ID you had; but some places -- notably Buenos Aires city hall -- now request the kind of ID you were originally granted instead of the kind of ID you currently have, despite also asking for gender) [1]: These would become invalid on your 8th birthday until you went to the ID issuer to add your photo and thumbprint (they'd take all digital prints for police archives), and on the year of your 16th birthday to give you a fully new ID (with photo and thumbprint). After that, you'd only get a new ID if you lost it, broke it, or ran out of space in the "new address(es)" section. I don't know how the new IDs work, but I guess it's a similar procedure here (likely with photos from day one), and after that the ID expires every 10-15 years.

So... what about the Pope? Is Francis still an Argentinian citizen? Does he have to vote there? Or is the role of Pope above the laws of Argentinia?

@JustAlice_Mai

Жыл бұрын

both argentina and the vaticans allow dual-citizenship soooo more than certain that he's still legally argentine.

@kenchlife9527

Жыл бұрын

@@JustAlice_Mai thanks a lot for the clarification! this is now added to my shockingly large collection of vatican fun facts!

@federicodenoia4180

Жыл бұрын

In Argentina you do not have the obligation to Vote if you are older than 70, so the Pope does not have to vote, but if he wanted to, he could

@patricioiasielski8816

Жыл бұрын

Here in Argentina the punishment for not voting is practically null. I mean, if you are a few hundred km away from your legal residence, you are free from the mandate. That being said, it's still a morally dubious thing to force nationality.

@tommay6590

Жыл бұрын

See article 2 of the argentine constitution: the federal government has to support Catholicism which includes Catholic rules about the Pope…

As an Argentine citizen who applied for Japanese citizenship and got rejected because of this reason, I find this very accurate 😂

@felipea1399

Жыл бұрын

Weird, from what I heard theres a bunch of Argentine-Japanese here in the comment section

@lightyagami3492

Жыл бұрын

​@@felipea1399They were born in Japan though. Big difference.

@rustypwn

Жыл бұрын

@@lightyagami3492 sounds more like the other comment got rejected for a different reason... Argentina has agreements with countries with no dual citizenship in order to allow people with Argentinian citizenship to get excepted from that, afaik Japan is one of the countries that have agreement

There used to be a kind of "stateless passport", called a Nansen Passport after its promoter, the Norwegian explorer and polymath Fridtjof Nansen.

@ronsed1759

7 ай бұрын

How to get such a gem nowadays?

@Pocket-Calculator

12 күн бұрын

​@@ronsed1759 It doesn't exist. It was created after WWI and it was given by the League of Nations. Today the UN issues some travel documents for refugees and stateless people, but they're not recognized in every country.

As a person from brazil. Know that we aint allowing you to leave. We love all gringos and you are going to become one pf the many communities of foreigners around.

I am argentine, and this is how it went and goes for me being perfectly conscious it is not the case for many other people and in many other countries. I left the Argentine Republic twice thinking I would never come back but I did. The third time I left for work reasons, supposedly for two or three years. When my work ended I decided to stay for a couple of years more, then another couple... then I got married and that was it. It never crossed my mind to renounce my citizenship even though I have now been living in Italy for 20 odd years. I might eventually get the Italian citizenship but that's more of an if situation for personal reasons than anything else, Italy does not constrain me to give up the argentine citizenship. Just to clear a few points (because I've gone through them). Voting for me is not compulsory but I can if I want to. Whilst I owned property I paid taxes for it, now I own nothing so that's a closed chapter. My Argentine document (not the passport which doesn't state a residential address) states my Italian address. I could be extradite for a number of reasons but it is very unlikely: Treason has to be proven beyond doubt and tax evasion has to be infamously high. Military services is not compulsory in the Argentine Republic since 1995 so that's not an issue any more. If I ever decide to get the Italian citizenship (something for which I have more than fulfilled the requirements) I can simply leave my Argentine passport aside and let it expire. I won't be questioned by the Argentine authorities if I decide to use the Italian passport unless there's a warrant in my name and even in that case they have to prove I am the one and the same. One family member went back to live in our country of origin which requires you to renounce your original citizenship, she went to the Argentine Republic Embassy, got the documents that showed it was impossible together with a certified letter in which she stated she will renounce it the moment it was possible and that was that. Again I know that's not the case in many other countries, some of which have next to impossible requirements to get their citizenship. At any rate I think citizenship has too many obligations and rights upon it. In my opinion it should only serve to state where you were born and serve its purposes whilst living in that country. But that world, if it ever comes to be, is still decades away. I don't take pride on my nationality, neither the one I was born in nor the one my parents came from or the one I live in now. I don't believe myself to be "an Earth child" or whatever other to me nonsense of the type. Being born in Finland opposed to being born in Brazil is not mainly about citizenship, rights and obligations, It is about culture, climate and social relations. I will miss my family and friends from the country in which I was born forever, also food, climate and even the language (which I might say has slightly changed in 20 years). I also miss a few things from my country of origin, one in which I have lived only once and for less than half a year, but that have inherited from my parents. If I ever leave Italy for another country I know I will miss dearly friends, culture, food and even climate. I am not afraid of losing my roots or my acquired friends & culture. They will get rusty but they will be with me till the day I die. What the passport states might be relevant under special circumstances but other than that it is just a relevant title, something that says something about me but by no means the whole story.

My grandfather is american so me and my father have citizenship despite never having lived there, and we've payed thousands in tax to the US getting nothing back while also paying tax in the country we live in.

@scoutgaming737

Жыл бұрын

Why can't you relinquish it?

@Meg_A_Byte

Жыл бұрын

@@scoutgaming737 Did you watch the video?

@scoutgaming737

Жыл бұрын

@@Meg_A_Byte Yes Paying taxes for years is much more expensive that getting rid of citizenship And since they never lived in the Us, the only reason they could get denied is if the bureaucrat analising their claim is an asshole

@12D_D21

Жыл бұрын

Genuine question, but what’d happen in your particular case if you didn’t pay your US taxes? I’d wager they don’t have authority over your country, so what’s the whole legislative hierarchy?

@bloodspatteredguitar

Жыл бұрын

If your father never lived there, how did you inherit it? A certain amount of time living there is needed before US citizenship is heritable.

Very interesting and important topic, Tapakapa . Thank you. As your visuals indicated, Japan is one of the countries that will not allow citizens to hold any other citizenship - something that can be a problem for both those who want to naturalize, as well as children of international couples, who must pick one citizenship or another when they enter the age of majority. Can create major headaches and heartaches.

Leaving the USA seems like trying to leave a cult.

@laisphinto6372

7 ай бұрын

the IRS makes sure you wont go or atleast your money wont go away

@alternatereality7713

5 ай бұрын

You can leave but your tax obligations will follow you unless the new place has an agreement to prevent double taxation.

@VS257

5 ай бұрын

The IRS is literally the KGB

@MumblingMann

Ай бұрын

@alternatereality7713 I mean what would happen if you just, didn't? Are they going to extradite you?

@concon9107

Ай бұрын

​@@MumblingMannunironically yes.

I had a friend who tried to get an American security clearance but was unable because he was born in Russia and was unable to renounce his citizenship

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

Жыл бұрын

That must SUCK!

@brandonlyon730

Жыл бұрын

Was before or after Putin’s little “special military operation”?

@greybread301

Жыл бұрын

@@brandonlyon730 before

@jvaneck8991

Жыл бұрын

People who want to play the game of "security clearance" are contributing to converting the Ameerican State into a secret-police State. If "security clearance" were offered to me, I would refuse it.

@greybread301

Жыл бұрын

@@jvaneck8991 no one offers someone a security clearance, you have to go out and seek it. Getting offered a security clearance is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard. And like it or not a lot of jobs such as being in the military require a clearance. If you believe nations should not have militaries you’re on another field of ludicrous

You could make the same criticism of states refusing dual citizenship, as you do of states refusing to release people

@forestreee

Жыл бұрын

Refusing dual citizenship actually makes sense; why should you be a citizen if you don’t have an active connection to the country? India does it best imo. Emigrants (and their descendants) can get Overseas Citizen of India (OCI). This gives you right to reside and work and own property (non - agricultural) while being unable to vote or hold a public office. That way, the foreign nationals can stay connected to their families and friends without interfering in the country.

@arnavsharma8914

Жыл бұрын

@@forestreee Are OCI holders still Indian nationals?

@forestreee

Жыл бұрын

@@arnavsharma8914 Nope. They just have the right to live, work and buy some property.

@xenn4985

Жыл бұрын

No, you really couldn't. A passive action and an active action cannot be compared in this way.

@vinex19

Жыл бұрын

It would be an easier way to solve the problem. Furthermore, anybody gaining citizenship should be vetted properly, if they are a contributing member to a state and they wish to freely travel back to their family in their home country it would be no issue for me. Clealy if you want to brain drain other countries it is a massive advantage. There is a reason so many US Citizens have dual citizenship.

India has an auto-renunciation system, and allows ex-citizens to apply for an Overseas Citizenship of India (OCI) that allows ex-citizens permanent residency in India that can be passed to their descendants.

Here in Australia there was a whole lot of politicians with old commonwealth citizenship to British countries. So they had dual citizenship from their parents which made them ineligible to have a seat in parliament, most didn't even know they were dual citizens. So they all had to quickly renounce their old commonwealth citizenships.

All this video has taught me is that taxation really is theft.

@redlion45

11 ай бұрын

Then don't go to a hospital or drive on a road

@MumblingMann

Ай бұрын

@redlion45 I mean they should be able to do more than they’re doing with the 6 trillion they use every year

1:27 - Canada actually did have that with the UK for a few years in the 40s immediately after Canadian citizenship was created, since it was everyone dropping British and Converting to Canadian, for a few years when you acquired Canadian it was on the books that they would send a message to the UK Government to have your old British Auto removed. Section 22 of the Canadian Citizenship Act as enacted (was in force from 1947-1950). "22. The Governor in Council may, with the concurrence of a government of a country of the British Commonwealth other than Canada, revoke a certificate of naturalization granted in the said country to a person who resides in Canada..."

I'm glad this popped up in my recommendations! Very cool video

Wow. A question I've never even thought about asking, answered in an interesting, informative, and entertaining way. Thanks for the info.

What’s valid for Argentina goes also for Brazil. When my wife turned German, she had to present a similar document to the German authorities. Germany, for those special cases accepts dual citizenship, though.

@dasy2k1

Жыл бұрын

Thee is an interesting one for Germany as they accepted dual citizenship with all other EU countries without much issue. But what happens to dual British German citizens now?

@ThomasZadro

Жыл бұрын

@@dasy2k1 Nothing. The general law is that something that was granted in the past remains valid, although the circumstances change. When I got my driving license it included lorries up to 7.5t. Nowadays new licences are valid for up to 3.5t only, while I am still allowed to drive a 7.5t vehicle.

I was born in Zimbabwe in 1960 to an English mother and an Australian father, and now live in Australia. have tried to figure out if I have Zimbabwean citizenship or not, but it’s too complicated. There have been too many changes and there are no straightforward rules.

@realnoahsimpson

10 ай бұрын

i think technically you have or are entitled to British, Zimbabwean, and Australian citizenship

@matheusjahnke8643

7 ай бұрын

​@@realnoahsimpson That would depend on the laws of these 3 countries... Taking Brazil's laws(these are the ones I'm familiar, I'm studying to be a public servant). I will replace each of those countries In it was Brazil instead of Zimbwabe, he would have been a brazilian national(and may have citzenship if the requirements are fulfilled), *except* if either: 1. his British mother was in service of the UK 2. his australian father was in service of australia (by "in service of " think they worked for their embassies... or if they were soldiers stationed there for some reason... or things like that). If it were Brazil instead of Australia... he would be a brazilian if either: 1. his australian father was in service of -Australia- Brazil (children born to brazilian at least 1 parent in service of Brazil are brazilian) 2. his parents registered him in the proper brazilian repartition(a.k.a. the embassy) 3. after he becomes 18 years old, he resides on Brazil and requests to be a brazilian If it were Brazil instead of UK... it would be a similar case to the last one, where it replaces Australia. Of course... since he is residing in Australia, (assuming everything operated in brazilian rules), it would be easy to be a australian, on the worst he would have just needed to ask for it(children of a brazilian... even if that brazilian is not in service of Brazil and if the child is not registered at the embassy.... may acquire brazilian nationality if it resides on Brazil... and asks for it at after the age of majority[18 or higher]).

Since I’m Swedish but born and raised abroad, I had to apply to keep my citizenship since I’ve never lived „a significant time“ (whatever that means) in Sweden, otherwise I would have automatic lost it by my 22nd birthday.

@_SereneMango

Жыл бұрын

Now I'm wondering about that classmate I had who was born in Sweden...

@sarah-ut1dh

Жыл бұрын

same for denmark

@michinwaygook3684

Жыл бұрын

In the U.S. it is age 18. Strange country. You can't drink till you are 21 but in everything else at age 18 you are an adult.

@laurencefraser

Жыл бұрын

@@michinwaygook3684 Most people look at that and say the drinking age shoudl be younger. Reality is, it's more like some of the other things should require you to be older. Not sure what the original argument for the drinking age was, but your brain doesn't finish developing until sometime in your early to mid 20s. By 18 it's usually not affecting your judgement too badly, by 25 it's set enough that a lot of things that can have a permanent detrimental effect while it's developing no longer do, or require vastly excessive intake to do so where they didn't before. There's actually a case to be made that the voting age should be younger, the drinking age Higher, and that military service is fine where it is (given that the requirement is due to physical development as much as mental capacity for reasonable decision making).

@michinwaygook3684

Жыл бұрын

@@laurencefraser Made some good points there.

My ex had dual citizenship. Born in the Netherlands, immigrated to Canada, then moved and settled in Maine. It was always interesting traveling between the U.S./Canadian border crossings lol. They always had a lot of questions for us 😆

When I first moved to Australia from the UK, I was not a citizen of Australia. However I was still obliged to do jury duty and to vote in Australia. I thought that very strange.

As an American who wants to become an expat, this is good for me to know.

@VS257

5 ай бұрын

Being an American and an expat is probably the worst combo ever. The IRS literally follows you around the world.

12:00 There should also be a tier above that, Impossible Squared, with only 1 country in that tier, North Korea. In North Korea, not only is renouncing your citizenship impossible, but you also can't legally leave North Korea if you're a DPRK citizen.

@kiradotee

Жыл бұрын

The tier IMPOSSIBRU

@pabblo1

Жыл бұрын

@@kiradotee Looks like you're still stuck in 2013. No offense, I still like some 2013 (and earlier) memes.

@kiradotee

Жыл бұрын

@@pabblo1 not stuck but tells you I'm old 🤣

I worked with a guy in the u.s. who came from some hispanic country i cant remember now. He spent nearly 15 grand to become a "permanent citizen" of the u.s., it was literally what it said on the top of his id. This process took him nearly 5 years. He pays all the same taxes as anyone else, but he isnt eligible for any social benefits like social security or unemployment. And this dude was the best guy i ever worked with hands down

I saw the title and thought "Nigeria". It's so weird that to get my GF to come up here to Europe, I need to write a letter to the government promising to take care of her and make sure she gets back home safely.

@lazulelle

Жыл бұрын

sounds more like a visa thing than a citizenship thing, tbh. most countries that don't have visa-free/visa-on-arrival access to europe will require a letter if a resident is sponsoring their stay.

@TheDanishGuyReviews

Жыл бұрын

@@lazulelle I didn't know it was most countries. Interesting. And the video became about something else entirely regardless. I just thought of my comment from the title and nothing else to go on.

@seilahqlq1

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheDanishGuyReviews That's a "Letter of Invitation for Visa" to avoid human trafficking, most countries have this law. Since you have a love affair with her, she could be detained at imigration during an interview without this document since a lot of scammers/gangs use the dating/love scam to sell women. The letter holds you responsible for whatever ilegal acts that can happen to her, this way she is less likely to be a victim of traffic.

As an Iranian it kinda sucks that I have to keep my citizenship, but it's also kinda cool, because I live in Germany and Germany does (usually) not allow dual citizenships. It is a special case however when the old nation forces you to keep its citizenship, where Germany lets you actually get the German one anyways. So now I have a German and an Iranian citizenship, when most people aren't allowed to have two

@souvikrc4499

11 ай бұрын

That sounds great, but if I’m not mistaken, isn’t dual-citizenship illegal in Iran?

I love the illustrations and the funny commentary

Hope you make more long posts like this one in the future!

Some countries make the process of applying for a citizenship a real pain even if you lived their for decades.

I found this video to be quite interesting! For instance, I didn't know Argentina (and others) won't let their own citizens renounce citizenship at all! Thanks for the video!

Amazing video, thank you

Excellent video, very entertaining!

I knew about the US requirements and impediments. Most of the others were new to me. Incidentally, the $ goes BEFORE the number NOT after.

Imagine trying to renounce North Korean citizenship

@erikziak1249

Жыл бұрын

No problem. Downside: You renounce your life too. I mean you will be dead.

@octavianjoseph8633

Жыл бұрын

Oh, god...

@maniacsmaxs6815

Жыл бұрын

RIP 💀

@spaghettiisyummy.3623

Жыл бұрын

Won't the Goverment just take it away from you because you hurt their Pride?

@maniacsmaxs6815

Жыл бұрын

@@spaghettiisyummy.3623 Buddy this is North Korea the act of trying to renounce your citizenship is considered subversive and treason. You would be publicly shamed and either send to a "corrective behaviour institute" for life or just publicly executed. Your faith really depends on how the supreme leader is feeling that day. 10/10 doctors recommend you don't try to renounce your North Korean citizenship its bad for your health. It's much better trying to illegally escape into Mongolia,Japan or South Korea

Great channel!

That was very interesting. I learned a lot. I am from Paraguay, so I barely just got away with that lol.

One aspect where the inability to renounce citizenship hurts you is if you try to apply for a government security clearance in another country you're a citizen of. This is usually needed for access to sensitive information in jobs within government, miltary, intelligence, etc. The process may require you to either let go of any privileges the other citizenship grants you (such as holding a passport from the other country, serving in military there, voting etc), or renounce your other citizenship altogether. If can't renounce it, it may either delay the security clearance process, or deny it entirely.

I was looking up US security clearance requirements and one of them is that you may have to give up your other citizenship if said country is not on good terms with the US, such as Russia, China, or Iran. However, if the other country does not accept renunciation, you can mention this and this requirement may be waived or otherwise satisfied. But it has the potential to cause problems elsewhere.

@freedomdude5420

Жыл бұрын

Because they know deep down forcing citizenship someone is wrong. I don’t wanna be insultfull, but nobody asked to be born say country

@dominionian7193

Жыл бұрын

I know someone who applied for a clearance in the US and is originally from one of those countries. He had to put down something that he's a dual citizen only by birth, but does not hold a passport/utilize citizenship benefits in the other country, and officially renouncing it is practically impossible. His clearance took a very long time to get, but eventually he got it.

@zuluwhiskey9049

11 ай бұрын

renounce Chinese citzenship is pretty easy, as long as you have another citzenship and pay 35 USD

Amazing animation on this one!

Great video. Although you joked about Australia at 3:41, it used to be the case that an Australian citizen would lose their citizenship upon obtaining citizenship of another country. Rupert Murdoch is a notable example, he lost his Australian citizenship in 1985 when he became a US citizen.

"All documents are checked," meaning you pay a huge fee and they double check with the IRS to make sure you don't owe THEM any money, THEN they check with the states to make sure you don't owe taxes to them or have any warrants for your arrest with them either.

Love these

Long time no see, dude 😎

4:52 some countries like Russia have a simplified process for attaining citizenship if you are stateless this is because we still have highly isolated areas where people have lived for centuries without a registration

I know someone who fled an Eastern Bloc country and got their citizenship revocation denied without letting the person know. It was also a country which on some occasions kidnapped some émigrés from neighbouring non-bloc countries.

I suppose there is little chance of countries who, for whatever reason , refuse to allow renounciation of citizenship, to be legally challenged in the international courts?

One aspect of dual citizenship that is regularly overlooked is the aspect of dual voting rights. How democratic is it, when, for example, you can vote in Germany as well as in France? Your vote counts double - in the german and the french election, while 'normal' French and Germans can only vote in one country. Wasn't even discussed in university, because no one wanted meddle in this rather delicate matter.

@YgorSad

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's why I think voting should be a matter of where you live, and not which citizenship you have. Otherwise you end up with things like people living abroad for decades and still having to choose a president in their homeland, or entire neighborhoods lacking proper representation in local government because they're mainly made of foreigners.

@flp322

Жыл бұрын

@@YgorSad in the Netherlands you can vote for local government as a non-citizen resident -- but not for national government.

@mattiasthorslund6467

Жыл бұрын

I know this was brought up in parliament when Sweden changed its rules to allow for dual citizenship. But the discussion fizzled out because nobody could show there's an actual problem with people voting in "too many" elections. You'd get one vote in the election in country A, and one vote in the election in country B, but not two votes in the same election. I think you get only one vote for the European parliament but I'm not 100% sure.

@blueinmotion9438

Жыл бұрын

@@mattiasthorslund6467 I guess dual citizenship/voting rights right now has no significant impact on elections, it's rather a principal question - one man one vote or one man with as many votes as citizenships. Though one might get a problem as soon as there is a significant number of immigrants.

@mattiasthorslund6467

Жыл бұрын

@@blueinmotion9438 As long as a person doesn't get more than one vote in the _same_ election, I don't see much of a problem, even in principle. It pales in comparison to the issues of low voter participation. It's also insignificant compared to the individual inconveniences and problems that befall a person who is denied dual citizenship when they need it.

At the moment it is also not possible to renounce your US citizenship. Officially they state the following: Effective October 9, 2020, we will resume a limited number of CLN appointments. We will begin offering appointments on a first-come, first-served basis making every effort to assist those with pending requests as soon as possible. Please note that we have a significant backlog of pending CLN cases and there will be a significant wait time for new applications. But effectively they are no longer taking renunciation appointments at all for those who haven't started their process a long time ago. Ooh and you should read the following about taxation of the US.... P.L. 104-191 contains changes in the taxation of U.S. nationals who renounce or otherwise lose U.S. nationality. In general, any person who lost U.S. nationality within 10 years immediately preceding the close of the taxable year, whose principal purpose in losing nationality was to avoid taxation, will be subject to continued taxation.

Bae, wake up! A new Tapakapa video just dropped

@harrytsang1501

Жыл бұрын

CGP Grey also uploaded on this very day. Must be Christmas

@VEVOJavier

Жыл бұрын

*wakes up*

Kiss used the Aussie flag at a recent Austria concert.

In Belgium it is very complicated. As a native you are not allowed to be granted citizenship from another country unless you renounce on your Belgian citizenship. That means of you have the Belgian citizenship, Belgium will not let you get another citizenship. So that ultimately means you have to renounce on your citizenship, be "nationless" so to say, and then get the other citizenship

thanks this will be usefull

Regarding renunciation fees, given that Jamaica's, Egypt's and Sierra Leone's GDP per capita are much lower (MUCH lower in Sierra Leone's case), I think it's harder for them to renounce citizenship than it is for an American.

I had to pay over $3000 to rid myself of the US citizenship in 2017. The fee had been jacked up considerably.

@jesusismyking4345

Жыл бұрын

Where did you go, what’s your new life like

Hmm, never thought about that before.