Fern + Atlas headrest owner here :) love seeing more stuff about my chair, makes me feel warm and tingly.

Awesome videos. I have a Fern and an Amia and this video is 100% accurate from my experience. I also have a newer Embody (office version with the added foam) and apart from the noise I had with it (I had to lubricate the heck out of it to get it mostly quiet, especially down the rails where the seat extensions slide in), I think it fits me a little better at 5'11" and 200 pounds. I do like the Fern's seat cushion a lot, they just didn't make that chair for taller people. Instead of two fingers behind the knee, I end up with more than a fist, when I keep it adjusted back for my sit bones to be in a good spot. If a person doesn't mind that it is an awesome chair, but yeah the back adjustment is limited and the Steelcase and Embody arm pads are softer and feel better. The Steelcase seat pads are very thin but the pan flexibility really does help, so keep that in mind with expectations if you're considering one. Thumbs up!!

Thanks for the review. I watched this a couple weeks ago before while researching a new chair. Went to an office supply store that had both the Embody and Leap in stock. Got the Leap for about 1/3rd the original price, and is the most comfortable office chair I've had. Only complaint is that the adjustment knobs hit me in the back of the calf if I put my feet up on the base, but considering I'm not crying in pain after sitting for more than hour, I'd call that more than a fair trade.

I've been using a refurbished (reconditioned?) Steelcase Leap v2 that I actually purchased from you guys a few years ago, and it's been okay. At 6'3" and heavier than I'd prefer, I've never found it particularly comfortable, but it at least is robust enough to get the job done. I honestly hate not having a head rest though and even considered going back to one of those terrible "racing" gaming chairs for awhile. After spending years looking for a better solution with a head rest that doesn't cost more than $600 USD designed to actually accommodate even tall people, I basically gave up on "ergonomic" office chairs. Recently, I found a super comfortable old, high back reclining chair at the local Good Will for like $85 that I plan to fix, reupholster and put to use. We'll see how that goes.

I now have both chairs and have finally stopped trying and failing (over too many years) for a great chair. They're both excellent chairs and I'm thrilled to have found them (thanks to you guys). For my personal tastes, the Fern is one of the world's greatest inventions (right up there with Kindles). I recently added an Atlas Headrest (spectacular!) and am now waiting on one of the new OL (intentionally abbreviated) headrests for the Leap V2 (expected at the end of May). I have home offices, and for the first time in Ever am now sitting comfortably in both. Thanks, BTOD!!

@thewhitewolffl

3 ай бұрын

Do you often switch from Fern to Leap V2 throughout a day or a week? How is the experience switching back and forth (mentally and related to comfort)? Thanks. I am a current Fern owner and was thinking of also buying a Lamia chair

@DavidLongo22

3 ай бұрын

@@thewhitewolffl I actually start each day on the Leap (upstairs), then move downstairs to my regular office mid morning (daily). Fern all day, then another hour in the Leap before bed. I actually like switching it up - it makes me appreciate both chairs (they each have a unique feel). I ALMOST got a 2nd Fern, but a BTOD refurb'd Leap was 1/3 of the price, so I went that way instead. For me, nothing will likely ever touch the Fern (for favorites), but I AM enjoying the Leap a lot (once I got the lumbar exactly how I wanted it).

It would be cool if you can get the Atlas headrest for the ember Fern, to compare with the Fern headrest

I've tried both chairs and found them uncomfortable, I'm going to see if the aeron or embody are better for me

I recently tried all of the top chairs from Steelcase, Herman Miller, and Haworth, and the only 2 I’m even considering now buying are the Leap and the Fern (Fern with no lumbar). Those 2 are in their own tier compared to all of the other options in my opinion. I’m probably leaning Leap because it gave me the biggest whoa comfort moment when I sat in it. The Fern is good too, just that its pros are as an overall package, and on looks, design, etc.

@chunkplunk

2 ай бұрын

if you're over 6 foot don't get the fern, the upper back rounds forward so I end up slouching

Owned all three in the last year, still own an Embody and Leap and I think most people would be happy with the Leap overall. Did not like the Fern. I know these chair companies watch these videos. Steelcase, make a Leap with a good headrest and put the Gesture arms on it and you will own the market. No idea how some so simple can’t be figured out by a company that size 🤦‍♂️

... and if you hate plastic, like I do, I recommend the Eames Management or Executive Chair... sorry, you'll have to suffer without all the whistles and bells. How do you improve a spoon?

Still waiting for a lounge chair list for gaming sessions on tv.

@btodtv

3 ай бұрын

Not the right channel for lounge chairs. Sorry -GK

@thewhitewolffl

3 ай бұрын

S Tier or A Tier chairs are so comfortable for me I don't like couches or lounge chairs anymore. Over many years, I have used Raynor Ergomhuman chair, BodyBilt Executive chair, BodyBilt Aircelli and more recently Haworth Fern (2 months) . It is possible that the Fern might be the best for me so far.

I don't get the praise for Fern, mine ended up returned to the store. I've had two Fern chairs and quality wise it's mediocre at best, armrests are just moving all around and it's really hard to place them properly in desired way and also very easy to accidentally move them. The seat is absolutely horrible in my opinion (for a heavier guy), it's so firm and uncomfortable my ass was screaming after a few hours. Backrest is cool, lumbar is okay, but that's not enough for me. Since Embody was also brought up, I tested it and hated it too. It must be the NOISEST chair I've ever used in my life, it's creaking like crazy (mostly the seat if you extend it), brand-new! I've had several Embodies in different configurations and returned them. Also Embody is really warm, even with balance fabric I was sweating. Ended up buying a brand-new fully loaded mineral Aeron and couldn't be happier. Quiet, comfortable, breathable, great quality, looks awesome too. Personally I absolutely love mesh chairs. Of course, everyone is different, just felt like sharing my experiences with these chairs.

@bonanzabrandon6877

3 ай бұрын

It sounds like you didn't use the fern long enough to break in the seat. It's well known that dense foams like what the fern has take time to break in like he says in the video I've had the gaming embody for a year now and mine is not noisy at all. I'll admit that it's not going to compete with a mesh chair on cooling factor but it hasn't been a problem for me. I would like it better if if had just a bit more padding.

@chunkplunk

Ай бұрын

​@@bonanzabrandon6877 I've used the fern for a year and the seat still isn't great, it's just too small and my lower back gets no support

I just wish there was a place you coukd go and try all the chairs lol

I tried to get used to the fern but I could not stand the recline movement, it was distracting, also the recline seemed to push my legs in to the seat (or the seat was too firm) making the back of my legs feel dead, awful. I prefer the back to be in stable fixed position as in my old chair. these fancy chairs are over hyped

@thewhitewolffl

3 ай бұрын

Do you know the exact fabric that was on your chair?

how do these compare to the embody gaming? is that still better or no?

@btodtv

2 ай бұрын

The 2 chairs here and the Gaming Embody are my 3 S tier chairs. -Ryan

@PLAYA12388

2 ай бұрын

If you had to pick one out of the 3 which one would it be for your everyday 10 hour a day chair? Thank you for all your input and love the videos!

@btodtv

2 ай бұрын

Leap, Fern, Embody in that order. -Ryan

@PLAYA12388

2 ай бұрын

@@btodtv what headrest do you recommend if any for the leap? Does atlas make one or is there a better choice?

@btodtv

2 ай бұрын

I would not recommend a headrest on the Leap. If you want a flagship chair with a headrest, I would look at the Gesture. -Ryan

I disagree with the headrest part. I had the gesture with a headrest and sent it back for a leapv2 with a headrest and it was the better decision, easily. A worse chair for a better headrest wasn't the answer for me and leaning forward in the gesture will throw the desk forward if the armrests are already touching. Great chair otherwise tbh The headrest is still very lacking with the leap but it's better than not having it the last 5-6 years that Ive had the chair.

@buschtyy

2 ай бұрын

I disagree with both of your decisions. My answer was the leap without a headrest. Maybe ohne day atlas will release a headset for the leap but actually i dont miss a headrest.

Returned my fern today due to obnoxious squeaking. It’s so loud

@thewhitewolffl

3 ай бұрын

My Fern started random squeaking when rocking after I adjusted the seat depth. Then I moved the seat depth back and forth a few times, and then the squeaking went away.

*looks up price of the Fern* *changes title to video* " These Chairs have S TIER Comfort for 10+ Hours, but you can only afford them if you're rich." Cheeeesus, 1500 bucks o.0 I mean yea i get it, but sheesh.

@kyleyoung8179

29 күн бұрын

Just picked a used fern up for 200 on marketplace. It was a pretty crazy find ngl

And of course they ask for a email adresse to get the sheet... There isn't even a privacy policy on the page so no idea to what ad company my mail will be sold

@btodtv

3 ай бұрын

We don’t sell email addresses, but will look into the privacy policy on that page. Thanks for the heads up -GK

GE Aerospace and L3Harris get chairs from SitOnIt. My wife loves her Amplify chair. Have you ever tried any of their stuff. The Amplify and the Novo WFH are both interesting chairs. Would definitely be curious to get your take on them.

All black fern doesn't look anymore impressive than the leap imo. Fern does have some nice colors like the orange though that make it stand out but usually charges a few hundred extra for it. Idk how Fern arms can be s tier though. Sitting on a brand new fern rn and they are the flimsiest, most rattly, cheap plasticy feeling of all five chairs I tested. Fern recline is great but overall the chair feels cheap and they delivered a broken chair that can't raise/lower height, that came with scuffs and scratches but no damage to the box... what crandall would sell as a "B" chair (cosmetically speaking). Leap/Amia have their own issues but build quality feels far better overall... like everyone says "built like a tank".

No digital knit in UK sadly so it's a pass.

i mean come on i want a good chair with comfort and some backsupport. You're telling me i have to spend 1400 bucks . Is there no good chair that does this for like 300-400 ???

Fern not available in Europe.

@PyCoder82

3 ай бұрын

Not true.

@DanielNistrean

3 ай бұрын

@@PyCoder82 Okay, care for a link ?

@PyCoder82

3 ай бұрын

​@@DanielNistreanYB just deleted the comment. I'm located in Switzerland and can order the fern on the official shop. Also plenty of 3rd party shops available.

@orbispictus6127

3 ай бұрын

I live in France and the Haworth website redirect me to their French site. They do sell Fern and surprisingly the new Halo gaming Fern. However, the digital knit version is not available in Europe.

From what ive seen in this video of the top two chairs selected, and then seeing the ridiculous prices for them! I wouldn't touch either of them with someone elses money. For prices around the 2k mark, i would expect there to be next to know issues with the chair. Just far too many points raised for these to be worth the money they are asking, and only an idiot would spend that kind of money on one

@btodtv

3 ай бұрын

It’s impossible to make a product with zero potential issues for everyone that will use it. The best products limit those issues, give people the most options and come with the best builds to guarantee longevity. -Ryan

@TKTrooper

3 ай бұрын

@@btodtv i get that. But i think for the price bracket, the issues should be minimal i.e the head rest should tilt a few more degrees, the foam could be a little softer/firmer. My opinion (and thats all it is), is not knocking you guys or the review. You have been thorough and honest. I just don't think they are value for money given the price. How many people are really spending that kind of money on a chair really? Especially people who are searching youtube!

@btodtv

3 ай бұрын

I think you are massively under estimating the amount of people that are spending this much money on an office chair. Thousands upon thousands of these chairs are being sold every year. -Ryan

@heftygainz

2 ай бұрын

​@TKTrooper millions of people worldwide are buying these chairs, what are you talking about? If you work at a desk, you better be investing in a good chair or you're fucked long term. You just sound cheap lol

Hated both of those chairs, everybody is different. Fern with lumbar is too pronounced, and without it offers no support.

@thewhitewolffl

3 ай бұрын

Did you find another chair that you liked better? Did you use the Fern with mesh back or thicker digital knit back and do you maybe know what fabric was on the seat cushion (this can make a huge difference in comfort).

@Belivo

3 ай бұрын

@thewhitewolffl I used the digital knit one just like the one in the video. I mean, it's quality chair, just the backrest is not for me. I've owned aeron, mirra 2, Fern, Amia, Haworth Zody Classic. All of them for at least month each and I'm still coming back to my old zody chair. It's not perfect but it's the best I could find. I find it too angled backward (hard to get a good posture). The back knit I sink into too deep and find the seat too hard but it's the chair that gives me the less pain from long session of sitting. I'm still trying to find a better chair. I'm having hip problems from too much sitting in the past and ordered a Hag capisco so I can have a more active sitting. I hope I will like it!

@chunkplunk

Ай бұрын

​@@Belivo maybe try the embody?

Look I own the entire high-end Steelcase lineup I have the gesture, the Carmen, and to leap v2’s and they reign supreme I also on to Herman Miller aerons and I can tell you steal cases where it’s at there’s not even a competition