I almost returned my 3000 GPU because of my riser cable i thought it was the GPU it wasn't until I plugged it straight into the MB. great video.

@fredspizza

3 жыл бұрын

same here

@sonotinfamous1093

3 жыл бұрын

I was basically in the same boat, Once I realised it was the riser I bought a new case so I won't need a riser

@lemarkde

3 жыл бұрын

Same here

@whyers4782

3 жыл бұрын

hey yo howd you get that 3000 series when theres no stock anywhere?

@sonotinfamous1093

3 жыл бұрын

@@whyers4782 there is stock. I was in a group for alerts and managed to pick a gpu up within a week

Speaking of compatibility: how does the NZXT hoodie work together with the Cooler Master chair?

@stancartmankenny

3 жыл бұрын

There's compatibility issues. The hoodie keeps rebooting.

@Harvester88

3 жыл бұрын

Hoodie also has a fire hazard, they gotta recall it. Even Cooler Master can’t handle it.

@victor555117

3 жыл бұрын

I think there’s a lot of static energy between them

@computerman9971

3 жыл бұрын

It actually works. I had a cooler master cooler in an nzxt case and it worked.

@epiccollision

3 жыл бұрын

Needs more rgb IMO

I think all Hardware Canucks videos are interesting. Even if they are about riser cables.

@HardwareCanucks

3 жыл бұрын

This is more of a PSA and guide to help folks in case they think they have a DOA GPU, mobo or CPU. ;)

@MarcoGPUtuber

3 жыл бұрын

@@HardwareCanucks it's still interesting to me. ;) i watch even if i know the info.

@CarthagoMike

3 жыл бұрын

Are you implying Riser cables are not an interesting topic in and of itself? Jking ofc, I get what you mean ;)

@pacifiststormtrooper8839

3 жыл бұрын

Does Bryan know you are cheating? He will be heart broken

@computerman9971

3 жыл бұрын

@@pacifiststormtrooper8839 and Greg lol

Ah yes, classic Dmitri talking about riser cables, wearing an nzxt hoodie, sitting on a coolermaster chair in a video sponsored by corsair

@prometheus5405

11 ай бұрын

He's a legend for that

@jaylc

4 ай бұрын

Bought and paid for.

Really appreciate the extra care to tackle a subject that is very important to a certain subsect of the community, namely the SFF people, but not at all the larger “catch-all” crowd. Hope the channel is going great and everyone is having a great holiday!

Excellent video by Dmitri. Really like it when he focuses on such practical info and avoids more subjective stuff that starts pointless flame wars.

The slot card is a 40 yrs old design, and it's intended for cards much smaller than the mainboard. They should develop a new connection standard where the user is free to place the gpu anywhere inside the case or outside.

@executor32

2 жыл бұрын

More than 40 even, expansion cards with an edge connector that slots into a plastic socket on a main board actually date back over 60 years to the IBM 1401, which launched in 1959.

@LupusAries

Жыл бұрын

Have you ever seen ISA cards? And I don't just mean graphics cards. But daughter boards, sound cards, professioal ones with MIDI-Controllers etc. And the "micro-chips" of the eighties and nineties were heavy..... Some of those cards are huge chonkers, the size is not a problem, the size and weight of the air cooling solutions is. Pretty much all exetension cards of today are either smaller and lighter or lighter than their 80s or 90s counterparts, or equal in weight with EMI Shielding. The only exceptions are graphics cards, and nvme SSD extension cards, in both cases due to their cooling solutions. I think bothof you seem, due to your comments, have only ever worked with post-2000 Hardware. The mid-noughties were indeed a period of maximum lightness though, which while it wasn't the minimum that the extension card form factor was designed for, did almost certainly influence the design of PCIe and it's sockets. And even back the there were critical voices that thought that the x1 slot, the back then most used one would be too short for a proper mechanical connection.

@ 7:15 magic hair

@HardwareCanucks

3 жыл бұрын

POOF!

@ricardocc22

3 жыл бұрын

I saw it too hahaha. And the water in the glass + the blue watch. Laughed so much!

@PeteCotton

3 жыл бұрын

Was watching on TV and just came to post this... It was oddly distracting!

@Skorn75

3 жыл бұрын

That was the “main question I probably have” at that moment lmao

This video is a lifesaver! After spending a couple days and trying out two different Phanteks riser cables for my vertical GPU bracket, I changed the PCIE settings from Auto to 3.0 on my B550 Tomahawk and it works!! Thank you so much!

Imagine having a perfect hard line custom loop and you flash the BIOS to discover the riser cable will add 2 hours of reassembly just to change 1 BIOS setting. One of Dante's circles for sure!

@marcoslopez9582

2 жыл бұрын

Happened to me last week. I was freaking TF out!

@xby4869

2 жыл бұрын

That’s what I had on my custom loop! I was fxxked up!

Every second build on Facebook PC pages with Gen 4 GPU problems seems to have a riser cable.

@HardwareCanucks

3 жыл бұрын

BINGO

have to say thank you so much...had a riser sitting around trying to figure out how to get it to work for awhile and then your ASUS options did the trick... thank you now I got better air flow in my 011 dynamic...Thank you!!!

Watching this on my phone (and not even fullscreen at times), it's so easy to overlook the mad amount of detail that goes into every single A/B roll you guys shoot. When I log into KZread on a nicer 1440p monitor however, everything just pops! Other channels fumble so much more with their video production, but here it's always crystal clear, silky smooth, colour-corrected to the nth degree and overlaid with some of the best audio work around. Soooo much respect for the hard work and astounding skill level from HWC, hope you guys can continue to grow in 2021 and get every ounce of the recognition you deserve!

Broooo! I was having so much trouble with my computer after upgrading my cpu. I was this close to RMA'ing my graphics card!! But this video solved my problem!! I did everything! I refreshed bios, reinstalled windows.. this was the only thing that helped! Got rid of the corsair riser cable I was using and now the computer works perfectly! Thank you Dimitri!

D'Mitry, good rant sir. I am impressed by your multiple shooting days for this video. Took me a minute to notice the differences because you hid them so well. Here's to 2021 and I am excited for all your next level video content sir.

I really appreciate you showing us where the BIOS setting is on each different motherboard brand. Great video mate!

5:55 "As far as I'm aware there is not a single case on the market right now that comes equipped with a PCIe gen 4 riser cable inside the box". Funnily enough, the Dan A4-SFX, the case shown off at 0:59 and 11:57 , actually does come with a PCIe Gen 4 riser with it's latest revision, and for me at least it worked flawlessly out of the box with a b550 mobo and an RTX 3000 GPU.

I actually came back after a day ago from watching this; just because I wanted to say thank you so freaking much. I was only knees almost in tears, because I bought a pcie 3.0 vertical mount for my system which by standard is 4.0 I also had a bios update right after I installed the mount; so I sat there thinking it had to be that install. I was going back and forth trying to reboot 50x over and I even reinstalled windows twice; all to find out that it was the riser cable. Not the windows install that was causing the black screens/freezes. Simply changing the bios setting from auto to 3.0 fixed the issue. You sir are an angel and deserve way way way more credit than anyone can give you.

Thank you so much!!!! Switching this build to gen 3 worked and I stumped myself and three other techs in town trying to figure this out!

Really good video. It was missing something about this in a known channel and with a lot of testing!

As a service Technician, I thank you. Was seeing this issue most on the Thermaltake cables with their VIEW line of cases. Plenty of good cards getting blamed. When some customer assembled builds came in for diagnostic and a riser cable was used, we go for the cable first.

@dwayneearle8787

2 жыл бұрын

I'm in this boat. I could not get my Gigabyte Z390 or my new GB Z690 to work on Auto Gen in X16, I know Compatability is sketchy but mobo manufacturers need to start listing compatibility for this issue

Thanks so much for this video @Hardware Canucks! This video really helped me especially building everything externally before putting it in the case. However, for those out there who may still have boot issues, I had to enable PCIe Bifurcation in order for the system to boot. This may be due to 2 x M.2 Nvme ssd installed. I have the latest bios for my B550-i from Asus (2403).

Very nice topic as usually. Just encountered an issue with Cooler Master Riser cable yesterday and was not understanding the issue. Thanks !

Among all the tech-channels I follow you are the only ones who have already covered this issue, yet. Thank you for covering it! While it does not impact my own build, because I prefer to let my graphics card breathe, I advise people on PC hardware in my job and there are enough people out there who will be glad to have someone tell them about this.

@mattevans1643

3 жыл бұрын

Optimum tech is another one that brought up this issue. He mainly focuses on SFF stuff so it makes sense that you've probably never heard of him. But he did a video about this a while ago. You won't see something like this from mainstream youtubers cause they are usually making big builds. And if they did SFF builds they were not putting 5000series GPUs in them, they were putting 2080s in there. Which does not cause the issue, since they are only PCIE gen 3.

@UrukKing

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattevans1643 I have seen a few videos from optimum tech and liked them. I'm just not a regular there.

Great video! 2 weeks ago after installing a 3060Ti in my Thermaltake Core G3 case I went through this issue. It would work perfectly until you went to run something that really taxed the system like Time Spy, Port Royal etc... where it would just fail randomly. I tried everything to figure out what was causing it. On the bench with the card plugged directly into the MB it was fine, but with a different MB, RAM, CPU, PSU, fresh install of Win10 etc... and then 6 different riser cables from 4 different manufacturers (including 2 Thermaltake cables that were supposed to be the same as what came with the G3 case) and only the original cable would display anything at all. Finally I put the system back to how it originally was and contacted Thermaltake tech support and after a few back and forth e-mails they suggested switching to Gen 3 PCI, it was on auto, I switched it to Gen 3 and bam fixed...

@nexxusty

Жыл бұрын

Bam, losing performance. That's all you did.

Bought a gen 4 pcie and a thermaltake s300 and it works surprisingly well. Gpu stays at 65c under full load. S300 has plenty of room between the vertically mounted gpu and glass

Thanks for this video. i have been asking theses same questions about vertical gpus the past week.

thank you for posting this, i was really thinking about going this route, but now think i will wait. Probably saved me a ton of time in troubleshooting!

If you get a chance to chat with a MOBO manufacturer, I think a cool feature would be if you don't have anything installed (cpu/gpu/ram/storage), the bios would still come up when pluging into the onboard HDMI, regardless of what components are installed and working. It might cost $5-$10 in parts to make it work, but it definitely would be a value add.

Can't wait to see some real gen4 risers on the market!

@2nd_Directorate

3 жыл бұрын

Yep, especially the price....

@whitest_kyle

3 жыл бұрын

Linkup is making them and I'm running one with my 5900x and 3070FE with no issues! Edit: but yeah they're expensive

@Flooberjobby

3 жыл бұрын

@@whitest_kyle Same here. I have one from Linkup running my 6900 XT, with SAM(Resizable Bar) enabled and working. 0 issues. But yeah 100+ for a cable is expensive.

@enricodrawe6213

3 жыл бұрын

louqe incudes one in the case and u can buy one seperatly

@RathOX

3 жыл бұрын

I have one, really good. No issues what so ever

I cannot thank you enough. I was about to RMA my Aorus WB 3080, I motherboard mounted it and ran some new tubing, and NO MORE BSODS, NO MORE BLACK SCREENS OR CRASHING. I’m so happy. I’m looking forward to coverage on gen 4 riser cables.

What perfect timing on this video, I jUST started looking into this yesterday and today

I allways get DPC latency issues with riser cables. My system starts to produce wierd audio and video stutters. Doesn't matter if the cable is cheap or expensive.

@GravitySandwich

3 жыл бұрын

I even have this when plugged directly into the motherboard. Seems to be an RTX3000 thing.

7:15 whoa - sudden hair gel is sudden lol. DING +1

Informative as hell Thank you so much for putting all of this in one video

This was immensely needed, thank you!!!

6:40 - Because of manufacturing tolerance and variations. Very interesting to see how such small margins in something that passes QC for PCI-E 3.0 makes the difference for 4.0

@bangaloretrailrider2472

2 жыл бұрын

Welcome to the world of signal integrity. In electronics clock lines are very critical and based on the materials and purity of the cable this can create issues such as drift and even signal loss.

I have a feeling that PCIe Gen 5 will have worse problems with riser cables.

@danielbeccar269

3 жыл бұрын

It will be wireless

@benf2682

3 жыл бұрын

They'll just make L shaped mobo's no riser cable needed 😂😂😂😂😂😂

cool, looking forward to you covering gen 4 cables soon!

Hey man, an absolute thanks for this. I have custom water cooled my PC and for months I have random issues with my PC of Asrock X570 Taichi and Phanteks Riser Cable and 5700XT. It works sometime, but BSOD and random boot issues are driving me mad. RMAed my ram, did a lot of A-B testing, took it out for checking in computer shop, disassembled my PC completely and reseated everything, and finally reached a conclusion that it is the riser cable to blame. A painful lesson it certainly is.

Holy fuck why is this the only channel talking about this issue. Riser Cables are basically snake oil right now with gen 4.

Louqe includes a gen4 riser cable in the ghost s1. also, it has become mainstream in europe... but its still expensiv. a new gen4 riser from louqe also coasts 60€ btw, and the riser looks weird

@leonb3353

3 жыл бұрын

I bought it separately for a Build I wanted to do. But changed the case and no longer need it, so I have not tried it out. But they're definately available!

@perdomot

3 жыл бұрын

Is Loque still selling the S1? I was interested in it but it doesn't appear to be on sale for the USA.

@tfernandes113

3 жыл бұрын

@@perdomot They're available every once in a while on Amazon. Just picked one up last week. They post updates on their Twitter feed for when they'll have inventory available in different locations.

@perdomot

3 жыл бұрын

@@tfernandes113 Thanks for the info, appreciate it.

@enricodrawe6213

3 жыл бұрын

@@perdomot there is plenty in europe

Man I’m so glad I stumbled across this video. Just put together a watercooling loop for my system and got a new Mobo, and obviously had to go with the vertical mount for the custom waterblock on my 3080. I kept getting black screens and could only occasionally make it to the BIOS, but once I updated the pcie version to 3.0 everything worked like a charm. Life saver!

This video is a life-saver. Was getting a black screen on boot with my new 3070 plugged in through the NR200P riser cable, and was genuinely confused, as the graphics card was getting power and seemed to be running. Plugged in my old RX 470, went to the BIOS on my B550i, changed to Gen. 3, and voilà: got the all too familiar ‘Insert boot media’. Gonna be interesting going forward to see Gen. 4 riser cables, and how they price in relation to current ones. Thanks!

I have a new Louqe Gen 4 riser cable working on an ASUS X570-I motherboard and RX 5700XT w/ the Gen4 PCIE option selected in UEFI.

@braveboy1010

3 жыл бұрын

Netluxe TV It has been working without any issue! I tried a riser cable from LINKUP as well, but that wasn’t a good experience when forcing PCIE gen 4 in the BIOS/UEFI.

PCIe 4 risers are expensive for a reason. You need either shielding or active signal boosting. A proper gen 4 riser is likely going to be very stiff.

thank you for making this video! nobody has covered these issues from what Ive seen!!!

Thanks for making this video! I was going crazy trying to figure out why my 3080 was not displaying the BIOS.

This video is going to save a lot of people a lot of stress. Awesome work!

ooooh someone's been using that fancy Asus hdr monitor, review coming soon?

Thank you so much!!!!!!! I’ve spent the last 2 hours trying to figure it out. I have the ASUS TUF GAMING X570-Plus. I upgraded my case to the Thermaltake P3 and it was my first time dealing with Riser Cables. My RTX 3090 Founders Edition finally works again. I did exactly as you explained in the video, went into the bios and changed AUTO to Gen3. Everything now works! Thanks again!

Thank you. This was the exact info I needed. No fluff, Just the good stuff. You are awesome

They're not the most ideal solution, but having the vertical GPU looks amazing

@WooBino.

3 жыл бұрын

Not this generation.

@Jay-mk8no

3 жыл бұрын

@@WooBino. Well, for hard-line water cooling systems, a vertical GPU is gonna bring the look of the PC to another level

@WooBino.

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jay-mk8no not worth the frame loss. I took my vertical out after a day. Why add an additional cable that’s only for looks?

@Tommy-T448

3 жыл бұрын

@@WooBino. Frame loss? What are you talking about?

@WooBino.

3 жыл бұрын

@@Tommy-T448 Had stutters and lost FPS when I had my GPU in vertical with a good brand vertical bracket and cable.

The "Ghost S1" from LOUQE has actually a very good gen four risercable

Awesome video ! Helped me with my new build questions

really thanks for all the effort on testing ❤️

Laughs in direct connection

@BigBoss-ps6vk

3 жыл бұрын

Weird enough. My 6800xt keeps shutting down during games with direct connection. No issues with gpu raiser....

@fredscott3408

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigBoss-ps6vk That sounds like a improper grounding in relation to the motherboard mounted.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

3 жыл бұрын

@@BigBoss-ps6vk You gotta screw it with confidence. Don't forget to wear your Live Strong bracelet. 😂😂😂

@luimu

3 жыл бұрын

@@PSYCHOV3N0M bruh how are the verge references still a thing

@strawberriesanddeath

3 жыл бұрын

I use direct too.. We have sagging problems. Think we need a new ATX form. This form factor design by Intel is from the dinosaur ages, when graphics cards were light with 40mm fans😄.

I just had to explain all these issues to a friend of mine when he asked me "Why dont you have your gpu in a vertical mount?" Until it gets to be more reliable im not doing it.

@tacticalcenter8658

3 жыл бұрын

Vert mounts also block airflow getting to the gpu. Don't bother unless your gpu is water cooled.

@YomBouyashaka

3 жыл бұрын

Only watercooled GPU should be mounted vertically anyway, it's not great when it comes to thermals. It's hard to understand for me why would people hinder performances for looks, I mean it's not a car, only you can see it and when you use it you don't look at it at the same time anyway, I can somewhat understand adding custom bodies on cars, weights more but looks better, waste of money too for a performance hit (slower+more gas, longer braking distance) but you get people to look at you I guess.

@MustafaAli-ri3bx

3 жыл бұрын

i think it depends on the case. i have a sharkoon case with a vertical mounted GPU. When full load my 2060 reaches max 75 degrees, but it also takes me 2 sec to open the front glass panel since i have my pc on my desk. At full load the gpu reaches max 68 degress when front panel is open. Now i have 3 intake at the bottom which is case fans, im gonna swap them with aftermarket fans in January

@HalfDayHero

3 жыл бұрын

@@tacticalcenter8658 That depends entirely on the individuals case. A vert GPU in my case would probably fair better as my bottom fans would blow directly onto the heat grills whilst the GPU would still have at least 5-7cm gap in front of it, so when the GPU fans come on it would be getting cool air from the front and the bottom, rather than right now it only getting air from the bottom.

@tacticalcenter8658

3 жыл бұрын

@@HalfDayHero depends on many factors. Doubtful that your opinion is going to make a difference. The only way a side mount is going to work is if you convert the PCI express area to the very mount. But not the extra vert mounts next to the glass on the majority of cases even if it looks like you might have enough room. Even bottom fans don't help on those. Look at fluid dynamics modeling software. It's just not going to go where you want it to go based on looking at it. It's been tested outside of cfd software as well showing no benefits. You can try a baffle to force air on the one side but this can be a bit weird in some cases and being that it's going so narrow it might not want to go that direction, but this all depends on all sorts of factors. Overall it's not idea. There may be some exceptions, but overall it's a pipe dream.

Great explanation. Much needed and helped me. Thanks man

Amazing video! I knew I was going to run into issues with my B550-F and a lian-li lacool 2 riser with my 3070, but this basically showed me everything!

As far as I remember, the Dan A4 that you held in your hand in the beginning of the video comes in it’s recent version with a 3m PCIe gen4 riser cable.

@OutOfNameIdeas2

3 жыл бұрын

3m!? You mean 3dm?

@aa65064

3 жыл бұрын

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 nope. I mean 3M the manufacturer of the cable.

Having a Phanteks shift, I had issues when I plugged my 5700xt in and I had to return it. The cable I later found was the problem (I can only assume the cable couldn't provide some power or data for the GPU, even in gen 3 mode for the mobo I had crashes). I hope more companies make gen 4 cards now that both brands make PCIe gen 4 cards.

@ThiccNutt

3 жыл бұрын

So even changing BIOS settings isn't a solution? This is really disheartening to hear, I was planning a 3060Ti Shift build for spring...

@VEN0M415

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThiccNutt it's a risk we shouldn't take, I can sort of understand since most cases don't rely on the cables like in my case, which leads to less of a need to make them, but then again people keep wanting to waste money to make their GPUs look different and then they get the gen 3 cables and make things worse. It's a mess right now.

@Smashologist

3 жыл бұрын

Omg dude yes. Even prior to gen 4, the Shift consistently had riser cable issues. I can't tell you how many RMA's and riser cable swaps I had to do just to get things working

@VEN0M415

3 жыл бұрын

@@Smashologist Thats a major bummer! Thankfully I got a free gen 3 cable from them when it shipped with a pcie gen 2 cable and I verbally stated to them its shocking theyd ship old tec with a new case, so far no issues with my 3.0 cable thankfully.

@mredude4867

3 жыл бұрын

Try switching it to the 2nd slot on your motherboard. It should be a x8 slot. you can check the pin out to see if it is.

I already modified my case for vertical mount. This will be really useful when I can get my hands on a 3000 series card... thank you for making this video!

Thanks for posting this. I was beside myself trying to find the source of the slow bios screen updates and the blue screens. It didn't add up. I exchanged the card as defective and the same thing happened again. Finally started suspecting the riser as the cause when I stumbled on your video. The fact that you could downgrade the PCIE gen4 to gen3 was new to me. It finally brought an end to a two day investigation.

I was definitely getting riser cable issues back when I built my phanteks shift in 2017. It was a fucking nightmare

Ugh, it's such a pain! Especially when you update the BIOS and it resets to its default settings. It takes 30 minutes to try and change the PCIEx16 to Gen 3. I emailed NZXT asking if they will make a PCI-E Gen 4 riser cable, and they've said that they have no plans to do so in the future.

“A custom PC builder living hell.” But thanks to your work it’s making things better.

The only riser cable I've been able to find that is Gen4 is made by LinkUp. A 20cm right angle cable runs just under $60 USD on Amazon. It's frickin ridiculous! So far, everything works just fine if I keep the one PCI-E x16 slot locked down to Gen3 on an Asus X570 Crosshair VIII Hero with a Sapphire Nitro+ SE RX 5700XT. I went through all the trial and error testing on my own rig when I first got my 5700XT about 9 months ago and everything led to the riser cable. I've told people about this and they just blew it off and kept blaming the drivers. I'm really happy to see someone in the media mainstream backing this up.

I almost smash my new ROG RTX 3080 TI OC 12G!!! I have been getting a lot of problems like BLACK SCREEN, No Video Card detected, Code 43, Load vender.dll fail error Please install VGA driver error! I have Install and uninstall drivers lots of times and the only problem is this RISER CABLE!!!!! As soon as I remove the RISER CABLE and put the GPU directly IT WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Link up has a gen 4 cable. I have 15cm riser and it cost $60 from Amazon. Plugged it in and it booted right up didn’t have to switch from gen 3 to 4 in bios. Running a 3800x with a evga ftw3 3090. My gen 3 cable gave me issues at first.

This topic and video could be refreshed every couple of years. And yours in particular is by far the best out there after this many years. I recently have had a few months worth of issues with the rtx4090 on a Phanteks gen4 riser. I've had the card RMA twice, ran the bios in gen3 mode and still getting random crashes. If I had more up to date info on this I would have built into a new case without a riser from day 1. This may be just 4090 specific due to the higher bandwidth demand of the GPU but I was not expecting to have so much drama. Great vid give us more

@TheRyanK

Жыл бұрын

Just wanted to add after watching again. My crashes are very very random, so bench testing beforehand would be useless. My PC can run for a week with no issues then suddenly crash.

I had this issue. Thank you so much for the info!

First, let me say it's stupid that these are being called "riser" cables. They're extension cables, not risers. A riser is a rigid daughterboard. Second, automatic version setting on the slot does not mean it negotiates a slower speed when the connection is bad. It's not a modem or ethernet cable. The version used is the maximum supported by both the system and the peripheral. If you plug a revision 4 card into a revision 4 slot, then the slot is going to run at revision 4. The simple passthrough extension cable doesn't change that negotiation. It just breaks the system when the signal degrades too much to be usable.

@uzkjhgfdsewr

3 жыл бұрын

Well, what to call a cable that does the exactly same thing as a riser, but is a cable? A "riser-like cable"? A "cable that does what a riser does"? A "cable that functions the same way as the rigid cards we're calling risers"? Why not "riser cable"?

@madmax2069

3 жыл бұрын

It completely depends on the case you use it in. My case has a stock PCIe 3.0 riser card, it has to be used due to the case layout (as in it raises the card above the socket), can't use the stock card because it doesn't work with PCIe 4.0. it has to be used due to how the card mounts in the case (well above the PCIe slot) so yeah it's a riser cable

Oh the sweet irony with that hoodie.

Finally! Someone did a video on riser cables. When I saw the title I already know what the video is about. Good job tho

So glad I researched this before finalising my build, X570 with 5700XT, went with a gen4 LinkUp one which works flawlessly.

3:56 I see what you did there..

I was having these symptoms with an ASUS 3080 TUF. After a ton of testing, I sent it back to ASUS on an RMA. Waiting to hear back from them. Maybe this is it all along!

@berrydex

3 жыл бұрын

Most likely! Have a 3080 TUF as well. Just posted my story here as well. You wouldn't believe the shit I've gone through. Also 2 out of 4 RAM sticks where DOA, so that made it even more complicated. And having a custom loop was very time consuming to take it apart every single time. Working fine since setting to GEN 3. Glad he posted this video, a lot more would have had this issue in the future

@boredcompsciguy

3 жыл бұрын

I found this out pretty quick with my x570 and rx5600xt, but not before I sent the cable back to thermaltake because I knew the gpu was good. Sadly gen 4 riser cables are more expensive and not really worth it to me.

@Athasin

3 жыл бұрын

Oof, hope they return it quickly.

Great video!! With great information. Definitely going to wait until the price comes down on pcie gen 4. Thanks

I went into the build expecting to encounter this issue, but I'm one of the lucky ones. Raijintek Ophion w/ PCIE3 riser with RX6800 XT (PCIE4) and ASUS B550i (PCIE4) booted up fine. I did use the same NVME drive that already had Radeon drivers pre-installed while on a motherboard with PCIE3.

Got my Gen4 riser cable off Amazon for $61 have not had any issues with my 3090 and my x570 Taichi using said cable.

@HardwareCanucks

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@ThiccNutt

3 жыл бұрын

If I may ask, which cable did you purchase exactly? I haven't found any true Gen 4 cables on Amazon Germany.

@MultiFeesh

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThiccNutt The LINKUP 4.0 cable works for me. 3090 and an Asus x570 Pro WS Ace. Available on Germany.

@ThiccNutt

3 жыл бұрын

@@MultiFeesh Awesome, thanks! I just found it. Now to find out what length is needed for the Evolv Shift 2 Air :D

@MultiFeesh

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThiccNutt 24 cm should be your best bet. For a single vertically mounted GPU.

The differences are because of manufacturing variability. Keep in mind that every time you go through a connection there is a time delay. For example each connector that your signal goes through might be worth 2ns. With delays stacking up it could cause signals to fall outside their specified capture window. Don't forget signal attenuation through the connections and wires which could cause data eyes to be too small.

@tonyd0001

8 ай бұрын

Not necessarily, it really depends on a number of factors. i used a Gen 4 riser from Thermaltake and it was 14 inches long and I had no data loss or bandwidth issues

@patriciamassie8505

8 ай бұрын

@@tonyd0001 That is what the OP was saying, it might have a difference or it might not because there is a lot of manufacturing variability. He was saying could and might. You have a riser that works but someone else might get one that doesn't. As signal speed increases your signaling window gets smaller and smaller. If your cable isn't good quality you will have problems.

i just bought a evolv shift 2 a few days ago and it didnt work bc of the riser cable... this video saved me. i was about to send the case back but i just tested it with the bios change and it now works! thank you so much!

Good stuff Bud I was wondering when somebody was gonna explain this issue more detailed.

Knowing the tight timings on PCIe, I wonder why they ever became a thing beyond showcase builds for trade shows.

@finestPlugins

3 жыл бұрын

@Russell White I'm way too German for that. :D Functionality, stability, performance, thermals, noise first. And since the desk top is for the displays (that's where the magic happens after all) and not the case, looks are the least of worries.

@yitongma8941

3 жыл бұрын

Gaming is about enjoyment anyway. If a prettier PC give you more enjoyment than 10% fps, why not? Specifically I don't think I mind get only 70fps out of something that is capable of 80, if I could get a aesthetically pleasing build. I don't do vertical mount due to stability issue, but I can totally understand why people want it.

@finestPlugins

3 жыл бұрын

@@yitongma8941 That's what I mean though. If you enjoy looking at the machine, fine. If your priority is using it...

@mullerstephan

2 жыл бұрын

@@finestPlugins how sad would the modding community be with people like you

@finestPlugins

2 жыл бұрын

@@mullerstephan Did you actually read and understand my initial comment?

“No case comes with gen4 riser on the market”, Ghost S1 cries in the corner.

@Athasin

3 жыл бұрын

Keywords, on the market

@qingohyeah6775

3 жыл бұрын

@@Athasin you can order ghost s1 on Amazon right now, shipping is in January though

@Dazzxp

3 жыл бұрын

@@qingohyeah6775 Sooooo it's not on the market yet then? So the point still stands.

@tungyyy

3 жыл бұрын

Same with the Dan A4 v4.1 purchased last month, it comes with a 3M™ 8KC3-0726-0300 PCIe® x16 Gen4 riser

@qingohyeah6775

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dazzxp Most cases in this review are sold out right now. In your logic, most of them are "not on the market"

Awesome Video, amazing quality as always! Thank you very much

Thank you for this video, I didn't even realize there were compatibility issues. I was going insane! Cheers

A way to avoid removing the riser cable is to plug your monitor into onboard graphics and change the bios setting 👍

@Remysboom

Жыл бұрын

Yeah if your cpu supports on board graphics 👍

Is time remove the slot type PCIE and make a new standard cable link between GPU n motherboard. Imagine the possibility of customization without the need to "Slot" your GPU.

This video is really useful guys. Thanks! I have a 30cm riser for my GPU because y have a custom rig and it's quite easy i'll run into this problems.

Thanks for the video. After having issues getting my RTX 3080 to work properly. I started suspecting the riser cable. You confirmed it for me. Not to mention the card worked fine on an older motherboard Gen3PCIE. On ny newer board I resolved my issue by forcing Gen4PCIE down to Gen3PCIE. Now it works wonderfully. 🙂

Motherboard manufacturers should work on adding a switch on the board for gen3. Especially on ITX boards meant for sff. That way you can toggle gen3 as default for dealing with bios updates and bios resets.

@DJAbraxoOfficial

3 жыл бұрын

They have such a thing in bios already but the issue is that your riser needs to be just good enough for you to get that slow video signal and struggle to get to the setting. Once you get gen 3 set you just restart and take care of the other bios settings, then avoid clearing cmos.

@Braffy

3 жыл бұрын

@@DJAbraxoOfficial That's what I mean, a hardware side switch or jumper so that you don't need to boot into the bios to set it

@sloppyprogrammer4373

2 жыл бұрын

@@Braffy Even though I'd appreciate it, with gen 5 peeking just slightly on the horizon (already wtf), I don't think it's worth the effort/return for manufacturers. Within 2 years this switch "is obsolete", I'd rather see universal bios used across each platform (without manufacturer flavoring and chipset factory default settings instead of aggressive brand selling settings) and them having auto detect whether you're using gen3 or gen4 or whatever gen via firmware/bios, much easier for beginners and veterans alike.

I just want to know which monitor that is behind, its catching my eye a lot.

@Jesamisus

3 жыл бұрын

want to know this too

@computerman9971

3 жыл бұрын

It is the Asus professional monitor. I forgot the model name, but it did come out in the last few months.

@OriginalMergatroid

3 жыл бұрын

It's a tiny monitor. Too small.

I used a Gen 3 riser cable a few hours ago to pair with my 3080. Ended in disaster caused my mobo to go into a inescapable boot loop, even when plugging the GPU directly back into the mobo. Always change the gen of PCIE in the bios when using one of these cables is what I've learned, or better still take the plunge and buy a true Gen 4 riser cable. It saves a lot of time that would otherwise be wasted.

@dnoodspodu1159

2 жыл бұрын

So how did you finally brake up that boot-loop?

Can we just get a spec for vertical pci-e cards. The way they get mounted is trash. Blowing air into a backplate. How on earth was that ever a design

@thundereagle4130

3 жыл бұрын

They already exist, they are called ''blower coolers''.

@FM4AMGV

3 жыл бұрын

@@thundereagle4130 yes, but pci-e spec is too narrow and so blower fans on those cards are rather small. Blowers seem to have a decently quiet sound compared to rpm. Problem is they’re too small and so they have to spin rather quickly

Never really liked the idea of riser cables just to do vertical GPU mounts. It usually leads to worse GPU temps/performance and introduces another point of possible failure. The only real use for it is with SFF builds where you don't really have a choice.

It is good to know that in the future when I am building systems this is something I will need to take into account.

LOL aw man, if only I had discovered this video just one week earlier. I just went through WAY too much time trouble shooting occasional sound loss, audio pops and crackers, and many MANY BSoDs with "video scheduler internal error". It was 3 or 4 lost nights before I had the thought..."I wonder if it's the riser card?" And yeah, of course settings the BIOs for auto to gen 3 fixed everything right away. Great video, great summary of exactly WHY my riser card was the problem. Also thank you for making me feel better about kicking down to gen 3.

I’m running my 3080 at Gen 3 on Z390 with the Thermaltake P3 riser. Thus far it’s been fine.

@joshuanorman2

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't that because intel doesn't yet support gen4?

@argh6666

3 жыл бұрын

Did you bother watching the video? It is only an issue for amd running b550 and b570 mobos on gen4.

@dainluke

3 жыл бұрын

@@argh6666 Yeah I did. I’m not mounting an argument. Not everything is about being right. You care to think perhaps I was just mentioning my own use case? If my comment doesn’t have any relevancy to you then you should have just ignored it.

@mattevans1643

3 жыл бұрын

That's because z390 doesn't support Gen4 PCIE. Only x570 and b550 AMD boards have that feature. If you don't one of those two boards, you will not experiance the issue.

@dainluke

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattevans1643 I am aware of that, I'm just mentioning my use case for the sake of it.