kzread.info/dash/bejne/oIWn1K2EhrOxlMo.html Tutorial

Makes us Marths pick between losing a stock or landing on stage and getting wrecked from another follow up 😖

I’m pretty sure it works with almost every character, I was doing Marth killers with Zelda last night lmao

What exactly do u do after jumping from ledge to input marth killer? Wavedash down buffer hold Z + buffer the correct angle?

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

Yes

Looks super cool, what exactly is this meant to cover that isn't also covered by normal marth killer?

@lohn2559

Жыл бұрын

While this video by itself doesn’t showcase exactly why very well, it’s not hard to imagine that being able to go from ledge immediately into marth killer setup is very useful in maaany cases when edgeguarding marth

@swbaseball021

Жыл бұрын

I'm not good yet so take this with a grain of salt, but the Marth killer is very telegraphed so good Marth players can play around it. This is like a surprise Marth killer I think so that really adds to the mind games

@MrSlowpez10

Жыл бұрын

I think you can look it up by searching for Marth killer 2.0 on KZread. Kjh has a video on it

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

When you're holding onto ledge you threaten drift out bair, raising bair, drop shine bair as well as making him recover differently. It's correct that these situations don't show case it super well. Basically any time youd refresh do this instead. Don't have to risk getting clipped and die this way. And id actually say the last clip is a good example.

I really wanna practice this is the ledge dash straight down difficult ?

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

Don't think of it as a ledge dash, it's slower. Just move slightly forward by going into the SD notch and Waveland straight down

in any of these clips could he have held on to his jump to stall below ledge? or was he too far out and forced to use his jump there

@jiraiya2000

Жыл бұрын

Logos is like a top 20 player in the world the players he's playing are amazing they are just being outplayed .

@sunflowertheog

Жыл бұрын

​@jiraiya2000 he dickin u down? or whyre u his biggest fan

@Aefax

Жыл бұрын

@@jiraiya2000 no yeah im just wondering whether you can use this when the marth is holding onto their jump during recovery like Zain likes to do. im assuming if you do then you have to like ledgedash on stage or something

@AlphaChopstick

Жыл бұрын

​@@Aefax the main thing to focus on is the fact that he's going from the ledge quickly into Marth killer, hanging from the ledge covers most recovery options since if you hold your jump and they drop down Bair you just die as Marth lol

@mire_cs

Жыл бұрын

@@jiraiya2000 wtf is this comment LMAO

How consistently do you get this? Like what % of the time do you space it incorrectly?

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

I'd say overall I'm at a 60% success rate with getting the spacing you need to slide off. 30% on stage but not far back enough, and 10% sd. I've only been practicing this for 4 days again. Doing it daily now

@FP-ih1lu

Жыл бұрын

@@LogosLFTG hmm that’s still a much higher success rate than I can edgeguard marth lol. Maybe I should practice it too. You think it’s better than marth killer 2.0?

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

@@FP-ih1lu 2.0 is better for fox. Falco needs 2 SDI inputs for it to work

@FP-ih1lu

Жыл бұрын

@@LogosLFTG I can get it with one input. Are you doing a mid-lightshield? Falco needs to mid lightshield for it to work, maybe that's why you thought it needs 2 SDI inputs.

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

@@FP-ih1luare you on a boxx? whats the value of the mid light shield?

If you hit him harder he goes further and can’t get back at all. So simple

Bro...thank you

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

O7

Isnt this just the marth killer?

The input is light shield down and away? Awesome. Now only if there was a light shield button..

@neb7292

Жыл бұрын

Softgrab

@Aoi_Tori_

Жыл бұрын

You can buffer it by holding Z

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

Buffer light shield with z after the Waveland and angle it straight back. Also phobs have a light shield button LOL

this is so sick but so hard to do :( especially if you dont have notches

@LogosLFTG

Жыл бұрын

Notches aren't a factor