Sorry that the background music was too loud! I'll get it right next time. Thanks for watching!

@iberius9937

3 жыл бұрын

It's not that loud, brother, and I love Orthodox chants.

@SlavaBogu7

3 жыл бұрын

It's not loud enough, Hail Orthodoxy

@antonisz1826

3 жыл бұрын

Είναι ωραία η βυζαντινή μουσική, όμως όπως λέει και η ελληνική παροιμία: Το πολύ το Κύριε ελέησον το βαριέται και ο παπάς 🙂

@deliad2105

3 жыл бұрын

No, no. It isn’t loud enough. Still, I could identify an excerpt from Παρακλητικός Κανών στην Υπεραγία Θεοτόκο. A question, Luke: Are the orthodox byzantine hymns in the background chanted by the orthodox monks from Vatopedi Monastery, Mount Athos and by the nuns from Ormilia Monastery? Where did you get that soundtrack? And yes, you are Luke the magnificent magister and this is Polymathy, Greek is amazing and that music is stupendous. Greeting from Claudiopolis.

@robjj4769

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Luke. No isn't loud. Thanks a lot for awesome video.

It’s nice seeing people appreciate Eastern Rome and not only classical Greece.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

It’s actually my favorite part about Greek civilization

@user-qz4go8pf8l

3 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke Me too. I wish more Greeks would get in touch with our Roman side. Unfortunately those who helped liberate us from the Ottomans in the 19th century, the same ones who razed the Roman Empire of New Rome to the ground, made it clear to us that they wanted Greeks with no attachment to the Roman tradition, since they claim to be the true successors of Rome. Which is nonsense. It's the same reason why the term Byzantine Empire is alive and well today, as its purpose serves to disguise the fact that Roman society and institutions survived after Rome itself fell. The brainwashing goes pretty deep. Some of us though have broken the chain, explored what "Byzantium" was and have come to the conclusion, that we are Romans. Long live the Empire.

@user-qz4go8pf8l

3 жыл бұрын

Φίλε, είμαστε σαφώς Έλληνες αλλά οι πρόγονοί μας υπήρξαν και Ρωμαίοι. Είμαστε Ρωμέλληνες, δηλαδή Ελληνορωμαίοι. Κατιόντες γε της (αρχαίας) Ελλάδος και της Ρώμης. Ζήτω η Βασιλεία των Ρωμαίων

@user-nb7gp4fk7j

3 жыл бұрын

It is one of my favourite parts as well!

@paulmayson3129

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-qz4go8pf8l Μπράβο που τα λές όπως είναι. Αναρωτιέμαι όμως, που είδες τον όρο Ρωμέλληνες; Είναι εξαιρετικά σπάνιος. Τον έχω δεί να αναφέρεται στον "Πανηγυρικό εις Μανουήλ και Ιωάννη τους Παλαιολόγους", όπου χαρακτηριστικά γράφει: "το ομοίων ηρμόσθη τω ομοίω, και προστέθη, και γέγονε γενοίν εξ αμφοίν τοιν επισήμοιν γένος εν το επισημοτατον τε και κάλλιστον, ους και εις τις Ρωμέλληνας ειποί, καλώς αν είποι".

Luke has a very soothing voice, but not like Bob Ross, more like a villain.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Like this? kzread.info/dash/bejne/emSXk7OHh6uXeJs.html

@user-nb7ts1qv5j

3 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke this is so great!

@brucedm3

3 жыл бұрын

There are no pronunciation or grammar mistakes Luke, only happy accidents 🐿

@MootingInsanity

3 жыл бұрын

"I will teach you, for my own benefit, a lesson."

@tompeled6193

3 жыл бұрын

Lial Rovinov

Just a minor note: "Βασιλεία" was very rarely if ever used during the Medieval period. The most commonly used female version of "Βασιλεύς" was "Βασίλισσα" which is exactly how you'd say it in modern Greek as well. However, even that is somewhat inaccurate. The term actually used (officially, colloquially etc) in almost every occasion was "Αυγούστα", a direct adaption of the Latin Augusta. If one checks the mosaic of John Komnenos in Hagia Sophia where he appears with Mary and Jesus as well as his wife, the full inscription above the Empress writes "Η Ευσεβεστάτη Αυγούστα Ειρήνη" (=the most august "Augusta" Irene). And for the sake of completion, above John's head writes "Ο εν Χριστώ τω Θεώ πιστός Βασιλεύς και Αυτοκράτωρ Ρωμαίων Ιωάννης Κομνηνός ο Πορφυρογέννητος" (=the believer in Christ the God, Emperor and Autocrat of the Romans John Komnenos born in Porphyra).

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

You are quite right. Thanks!

@choreologychannel

3 жыл бұрын

@Basileus Rhomaion - (@3:23) is there attestation for an alternate (paroxytone) pronunciation of “queen” (βασίλειᾰ) that has a clear association with the individual ruler herself; and not with her "office" or “kingdom” (βασιλείᾱ)?

@Simonsavvi

3 жыл бұрын

@@choreologychannel not who you asked but im greek and i can tell there isnt. Those 2 words still sound the same, but as op said, βασίλειᾰ was and still is practically never used to refer to a queen. You just say βασιλισσα.

@choreologychannel

3 жыл бұрын

@@Simonsavvi Thanks. My question is regarding the paroxytone form (βασιλείᾱ) in particular. LSJ cites a number of examples of the proparoxytone form (βασίλειᾰ): queen, princess, Od.4.770 ἦ μάλα δὴ γάμον ἄμμι πολυμνήστη βασίλεια A.Ag.84 (lyr.) βασίλεια Κλυταιμήστρα Hdt.1.11, etc. ἐώθεε γὰρ καὶ πρόσθε, ὅκως ἡ βασίλεια καλέοι, φοιτᾶν. of goddesses, Emp.128.3 “Κύπρις βασίλεια” cf. Hymn.Is.I, etc.; Ar.Pax974 ὦ σεμνοτάτη βασίλεια θεὰ A.Pers.623 (lyr.) βασίλεια γύναι, πρέσβος Πέρσαις, E.El.988 (lyr.) βασίλεια γύναι χθονὸς Ἀργείας,

@rhomaioscomrade

3 жыл бұрын

@@choreologychannel None that I'm aware of. Note that the feminine form "Βασίλισσα" was the preferred one ever since the Hellenistic period which was the period of major boost to both the prestige and usage of the title. Before Alexander, a "Basileus" was an extremely archaic chieftain-type monarchical title that most Greeks found unfashionable and/or uncouth. The PR boost the title got because of Alexander and his successors was the reason it stuck, and by extension its various epithets, feminine form and other associations found later in history can be traced back to said period.

Me, a humble barbarian: I'm just here for the sexy words I don't understand. The lady ain't bad either.

@CaptAngryEyes

2 жыл бұрын

@Parapa TheRapper he means barbarian as in the ancient greek 'βαρβαρος' which means 'stranger' or non greek

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

IF YOU FIND THEM SO SEXY TRY TO LEARN THEM I STILL HAVE HEADACHES BY MY OWN LANGUAGE

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptAngryEyes the word βάρβαρος is used to describe people with no manners that are still stupid I would say and have old ways, like if someone torture someone to death we would say τι βάρβαρος τρόπος να πεθάνεις which means what a cruel way to die

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

@Parapa TheRapper well yes but savage is used different from βάρβαρος, βάρβαρος can also be read as cruel or cruelty someone that hasn't manners and is cruel and an idiot

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

@Parapa TheRapper THE THING YOU JUST SENT SAYS THAT BARBARIAN CAN BE TRANSLATED AS CRUEL YOU STUPID

These videos are like honey and Greek yogurt for the ears

@dennisboyajiev5538

3 жыл бұрын

You only know if you've tried it!

@bogdannarancic5763

3 жыл бұрын

It's all fun and games until you get to consume it while between two boats

@omarabe26

3 жыл бұрын

@@bogdannarancic5763 Sounds sexual

@bogdannarancic5763

3 жыл бұрын

@@omarabe26 Trust me, it is not.

@omarabe26

3 жыл бұрын

@@bogdannarancic5763 Good

The most painful for me to hear was the "Filtatos" instead of "Filtate" T_T

@Thamargoe

2 жыл бұрын

Oh yes 🤦

@vacuous1331

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically this is a really common mistake for people who are now learning Greek.

@janstaniszewski536

Ай бұрын

As a fellow native user of vocatives, I understand your pain, φίλτατοι😂

@petrosps9650

9 күн бұрын

Also δυσχερής instead of δυσχερές, which is also a transformation modern Greek would do too (like φίλτατε)

Greek is such a beautiful language

@andreastheo2019

2 жыл бұрын

The most🇬🇷in my opinion

@gdi1093

2 жыл бұрын

Not as beautiful as you 😍

@chockito13

2 жыл бұрын

and half of Greeks , we cant speak /write it properly

@gdi1093

2 жыл бұрын

@@chockito13 this is no Greece, just Macedon and Macedonia 🇲🇰

@eternalconfusion6226

2 жыл бұрын

That's really nice that people like our language 🥰🥰🥰 !!! Thank you!!!

I just love the background music (Orthodox Church). Plus, I also am a fan of Greek language. Salutări din România!

@utinam4041

3 жыл бұрын

Well, on the contrary - I find the background music distracting and unnecessary. It's good music and deserves to listened to in its own right. As does Luke's monologue.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think the music was too loud. I try to listen to it on multiple devices but got it wrong. Thanks for the feedback.

@Michael_the_Drunkard

2 жыл бұрын

Are Romanians the Latin byzantines?

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke nah let the music play it sounds like a mix from dark souls and opera

@LudwigVaanArthans

2 жыл бұрын

@@Michael_the_Drunkard no, we're an admixture of Roman settlers, Getto-Dacian peoples of the time and other migratory peoples that came through the ages and got absorbed into our ethnos, like the Cumans for example There might have been Eastern Roman refugees that settled here after the fall of the Empire, but we don't have much proof of that beyond some dynastic families that reached into modernity

They probably gave her a script to read and she run with it, without objecting too much that it was wrong at parts :) Native greek speakers would have picked up on those errors immediately because those are also the same mistakes in modern Greek.

@piteoswaldo

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps she knew it was supposed to be an old form of the language, so she didn't object to those errors thinking it was different back then.

@lxi9648

3 жыл бұрын

@@piteoswaldo maybe she just didn't care enough and just wanted the money

@roherian7203

3 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. The ''φίλτατος'' mistake is easy to catch as a greek but the ''Τούτο δυσχερής'' mistake is more subtle and if you did not pay much attention in ancient greek lectures in school you would easily miss it.

@Lara__

3 жыл бұрын

@@roherian7203 In modern Greek we say "Τούτο είναι δυσχερές" not "Τούτο είναι δυσχερής"

@olbiomoiros

3 жыл бұрын

@@roherian7203 these are wrong in modern Greek too. It’s δυσχερές and φίλτατε.

3:40 which is why in civ 6 Basil II refers his empire as "Rome"

@rhomaioscomrade

3 жыл бұрын

More accurately "Ρωμανία" ("Romania") as in land of the Romans which distinguishes it from the city (Ρώμη = Rome).

@mikeakersa8566

3 жыл бұрын

@@rhomaioscomrade not to be confused with the country of Romania, being related to and from the latin imperial time of Eastern Rome post Fourth Crusade

@EekChocolate

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikeakersa8566 Makes total sense!

@hazelich9113

3 жыл бұрын

Roman Empire, HRE, Spain, Ottomans, Byzantines and Russians all calling themselves Romans.

@moviefan005

3 жыл бұрын

@@hazelich9113 why Spain?

Obviously, the one woman who is speaking is Greek or she's an incredible learner. The pronunciation of her is modern-like Greek and the modern Greek are looking a lot like the Byzantine Greek, so this could be a huge conversation(we are using many forms in Greek language. Not everyone is speaking the language the same way, like the Byzantine times)

@kanenasithaki4669

3 жыл бұрын

*Roman times. ας το λέμε σωστά εμείς τουλάχιστον

@paulmayson3129

3 жыл бұрын

@@xunqianbaidu6917 To call the Medieval Roman Empire as Byzantine Empire, just because New Rome was built atop the Megarean Byzantium, is the same to call the Ancient Roman Empire as Pallantine Empire, just because Old Rome was built atop of the Arcadian Pallantium.

@paulmayson3129

3 жыл бұрын

@@xunqianbaidu6917 I am pointing out how absurb a name the "Byzantine Empire" is.

@paulmayson3129

3 жыл бұрын

@@xunqianbaidu6917 Well, I do. I call them Iran and Iranian Empire, and specifice them as Achaemenid/ Parthian/ Sassanian Iranians. And it is right, since they called themselves Ērān. There are situations where unfortunately this cannot really be helped, like the Hittites who called themselves as Nesians (Nesili) or Hattians (Hatti), and the Egyptians who called themselves as Kemets (Km.t). However here people would not understand what we refer to, while people know of Medieval Rome and the Iranian Empire.

@user-so8kx7uj2x

3 жыл бұрын

@@kanenasithaki4669 φίλε, δε θα με μάθεις τώρα με τυπικότητες. Ιστορικός είμαι και αγαπώ ιδιαίτερα τη Ρωμανία. Η έρευνά μου σχετίζεται κυρίως με το Βυζάντιο. Byzantine, Roman or Greek it's not an issue if you read enough to understand that for this period it's pretty much the same, with different etymology and meaning, only if you use these words for a purpose. But if you call someone Roman, Greek, Hellen or Byzantine, in Constantinople, after 11th century, he would understand that you're talking to him. Before 11th-12th centuries the meanings of the terms were a lot different, but today, we should not make it an issue

The voice actress has such a beautiful voice and intonation, it just makes for an experience so authentic-sounding. May also have to do with the fact I am a complete sucker for Greek, both modern and ancient. Must be because I'm Italian.. my heart forever belongs to Rome but Zeus damn if Hellas doesn't hold a close second place!!

@dinos9607

2 жыл бұрын

that is the inverse with us.... yes we are Greeks but we don't forget also the fact that we are the last Romans.

@t8spy526

2 жыл бұрын

Una faccia una razza

Theodora's story made my jaw drop! I love when your videos not only covers linguistics, but also teaches the historical context in a deeper manner... Love from Brazil!

@minutemansam1214

3 жыл бұрын

She's probably among my favorite monarchs. "The Royal Purple is the noblest shroud" She's definitely a badass.

I don't want a movie. A movie wouldn't do it justice. I want a full HBO show about Justinian's reign.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Make it so!

@RichardDCook

3 жыл бұрын

For sure the series treatment is the best, such as Band Of Brothers. When Hollywood tries to compress a large story into 2 or 3 hours you get a hot mess like Master And Commander.

@GeneralPet

3 жыл бұрын

How can we make this happen? Which people do we have to convince? We gotta come up with a pitch

@floatingsara

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree! Maybe a petition ? So they see a bunch of people is interested 🌼

@ub3rfr3nzy94

3 жыл бұрын

I'd like a whole eastern roman empire series. So when It ends with Justinian we get the another series about another emporer and the series ends with the fall of constantinople and the death of emporer Constantine Dragases Palaiologos.

Greetings from Greece!!! My mother's name is Theodora and my father's Konstantinos. I always call them "my king" and "my queen" because those names reflect the glory of the Great Byzantine Empire. What a great video. I am astonished with your knowledge and the level of your education. Keep it up. Can't w8 for more vids like this.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

Procopius sources are not trustworthy,he started saying how glorious and good were Justinian and Theodora but when he didn't receive the high position that was promised by Justinian he started to put dirt on their names.

@babitayadav4806

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe he was a pagan all along

@Airknightangel

3 жыл бұрын

"Ανεπρόκοπος" he was

@manos7958

3 жыл бұрын

It's more plausible that he was paying homage while he was alive and left his version of the truth after he died.

@prrrromotiongiven1075

3 жыл бұрын

Not trustworthy but also the most complete sources we have on Justinian and Theodora. Hard to ignore sources that have no alternative.

@dinos9607

2 жыл бұрын

You are too harsh on Procopius. He was an excellent historian and a beautiful writer on a par with Thucydides. He is just not as popular in western Europe because frankly all of Medieval Greek history was detested traditionally by western Europeans all the way from the Middle Ages up to our days, hopefully things are changing nowadays. Procopius, yes he was not neutral but similarly Thucydides was not neutral either - note how he vilified Macedonians... wonder if Thucydides losing Amphipolis to Macedonians and his subsequent ostracism from Athens had anything to do with that, LOL! What is fascinating with Procopius is that, like Herodotus, he does not merely pass the historical events but also the rumours and popular opinions of the people of his days, and he states these clearly. His description of the Justinian plague is so precise and so wonderful in all the pain and misery him and his people went through, transferring to us the doom-day events and the dark atmosphere of the times. Procopius is thus a must.

Well, Theodora was Cypriot, from Famagusta, it would have been interesting if they employed a Cypriot-Greek actress to narrate the Greek part with the distinct Cypriot pronunciation and all that. Great video Luke, as always

@olbiomoiros

3 жыл бұрын

The Cypriot dialect hadn’t taken form by then. Koine Greek would be the variety used in Cyprus at the time. It is also debatable whether she’s actually Cypriot, some eastern roman historians say she’s Cypriot, others Phrygian or Syrian. Cheers from Λευκωσία.

@user-qz4go8pf8l

3 жыл бұрын

Είμαστε Ρωμαίοι, αδέλφια. Ως Γραικοί/Έλληνες έχουμε μόνο δικαίωμα να κυβερνάμε την Γραικία. Ως Ρωμαίοι είμαστε οι κληρονόμοι όχι μόνο του αρχαιοελληνικού πολιτισμού αλλά και όλης της Ρωμαϊκής Αυτοκρατορίας. Ζήτω η Ρώμη, πρωτεύουσα πάσης της οικουμένης. Θα επιστρέψουμε και επανακτήσουμε την Βασιλεύουσα λίαν συντόμως.

@apmoy70

3 жыл бұрын

@@olbiomoiros True, the Cypriot dialect haden't taken form by then, but I'm thinking how to make more interesting the game, and give a historical hint of the empress' descend from the island. Regarding Theodora's Cypriot origins, well, one solid proof imho is the huge rebuilding project of Famagusta undertaken by Justinian shortly after he ascended to the throne, to the point that the Famagustians renamed their city Νέα Ἰουστινιανία (New Justiniania). If his wife wasn't from there, why did Justinian take the initiative of rebuilding and reconstructing an obscure city, on a random Mediterranean island? Why Famagusta and not Salamis (the Cypriot one), or Soloi?

@HerosadesGames

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-qz4go8pf8l Τα 'πες ολόσωστα και πανέμορφα!

@fmayer1507

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!

Never thought that Lex Luthor would be teaching me Greek language.

A movie about Justinian, Theodora, Belisarius, Antonina, Narses and Procopius would be excellent

@PC_Simo

5 ай бұрын

Just don’t give that to Netflix 😏.

I love how, during the whole episode, there were orthodox chants in the background. I guess they are synchronous with middle age Greek language, thus proper for the occasion. Once again, congrats on these fine details that only show how vast your knowledge is!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!

Advisors: "You cannot make a harlot into a housewife". Justinian: "Then I'll make her an empress!" Also, not a movie. A series showing how they met, the Nika riots, the Plague, and the Western reconquests. Everything.

@dundartekin5007

8 ай бұрын

Well they'd portray either her or Justinian as black, so I'd rather not have a tv series until wokeism ends.

@irgendwer3610

5 ай бұрын

@@dundartekin5007 she would be an empowered afro-american woman, justinian would be scandinavian white and the roman empire would have all races of earth walking around like its new york

Loving the chants in the background. I’ve had the Greek, Russian, and Arabic versions of the hymn Agni Parthene on repeat on my phone for months. (but mostly the Greek 😁)

@josephsaab7208

2 жыл бұрын

Agni Parthene is such a beautiful hymn, especially in greek but I like it in Arabic too

I think they just made them distinctly Byzantium to not confuse them with OG rome who is in the game too

@nicmagtaan1132

3 жыл бұрын

aka rome2

@vinicius2uiciniv

3 жыл бұрын

@Wake No. Which also is not a good choice because Romania, could be the modern country of Romania, the Latin Empire of Constantinople or the Romance speaking areas of Europe in general.

@Skibbi198

3 жыл бұрын

What civ do you want to play? Rome or the cooler Rome?

@ironiccookies2320

3 жыл бұрын

@Wake No. and players would be wondering why theodora is saying romania everytime she greets them

@Simonsavvi

3 жыл бұрын

@@vinicius2uiciniv i think the most correct one would be Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων. romanized: Basileía Rhōmaíōn

It's really weird how this guy makes you feel. He looks young but sounds like an old wise man. Proper nice content, mate.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jesus!

@nicklemen

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure how he makes me feel but I like it

@S3aCa1mRa1n

3 жыл бұрын

Smooth voice, very nice.

Justinian and Theodora deserve a well-done epic biopic, as does the Eastern Roman Empire itself.

@theodorapapp

3 жыл бұрын

I know, right???

@ilyasantonov212

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like there's still too little knowledge about The Eastern Roman Empire in the West. And even when there is, it's very negatively portrayed

@davidweihe6052

2 жыл бұрын

@LegoGuy87 Parthia had become Persia, again, specifically the Sassanid Persians. He had enough problems having Flavius Belisarius defeat or cow them, before the Plague hit and killed half the world, including Persia and China (but not apparently the Arabian Peninsula), which put aside any plans for reconquest.

@davidweihe6052

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgevieira6686 The Plague of Justinian (a Y.pestis outbreak) put an end to the reconquest of the West, by killing half the World's population (except the Arabian Peninsula, which apparently escaped the Plague's worst). The Muslims didn't boil out of the Arabian Peninsula for a generation or so later after Justinian's death, though.

@dionf3858

2 жыл бұрын

The highlight would be when they killed 30,000 in the hippodrome…and then they were made saints…lol

I was a little confused when I heard the music start playing. I thought to myself: 'Did I forget to close a tab somewhere?' Great music, anyway!

I love this new series!

As a classics major who really enjoys you content I felt proud of myself of finding the small mistakes you found, as well as the subtleties of the middle-voice. Great stuff, and I'd love to see a video of the Greek in Civ VI as well. Cheers!

I remember reading somewhere that Justinian was the last Eastern Roman emperor to speak Latin as his first language, after him they spoke Greek primarily

@stephenremington8448

Жыл бұрын

It was, Justianian I Justin II Tiberius II Mavrikios Mavrikios was Greek, from a Greek family in Anatolia, had a Greek name, and Greek as a first language.

I love your work, Luke. It encourages me to keep learning both ancient Greek and Latin and know a lot more about the ancient culture of Rome and Greece. Greetings from Mexico!

@mariosathens1

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4Kor6WJndraiaw.html&ab_channel=CallixtusCallixtus

@user-dm5kv9gz8h

2 жыл бұрын

Be always well cheers from Athens!

I’m returning to my Ancient Greek studies. I’m glad I retained so much of it, and I couldn’t be happier to have discovered your channel.

Great video, thank you. The Greek language (both modern and ancient) is the most beautiful and rich language to me.

@mariosathens1

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4Kor6WJndraiaw.html&ab_channel=CallixtusCallixtus

@ermioniburgess8720

3 жыл бұрын

The only language has more beautifull words Empathy Filotimo Eusplahnia.Beautifull words.

@ForgottenHeroes

2 жыл бұрын

​@@goodlife2144 Well, I know that Messi is the best player in the world and i didn't see all the football players in action. 🤷

Theodora's voice is pretty sexy, in no small part helped by that retracted S we wax poetic about.

@S3aCa1mRa1n

3 жыл бұрын

Yes !!!

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

When you know the language you just have a headache and dark flashbacks

@andreastheo2019

2 жыл бұрын

@@crangel7405 lol what’s that supposed to mean😂Greek is beautiful ancient sounds great

@crangel7405

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreastheo2019 no they do not they are just like Yea that means the and this also means the and this also means the Also there are always more than 2 ways to say something

i'm glad to see someone other than me appreciate the way Greek sounds.

The best part about this is the Orthodox chant in the background. Epic. Δόξα τω θεώ!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

I’m so pleased you liked it!

@GeorgeTheMando

3 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke and seeing your other comments, I do not think it is too loud at all. It hit just fine 👌🙏

@someguysomeone3543

2 жыл бұрын

What's it called?

@carmensavu5122

Жыл бұрын

No.

Your quality of knowledge is divine!Πραγματικός απόγονος των αναγεννησιακών και αρχαϊκών πολυμαθων!

As Greek I love these videos, but more importantly I love the way you explain things! I mean no disrespect to my teachers, but I wish someone like you taught latin and Greek back in gymnasium and high school, our education system makes learning to stale and difficult.

Μπράβο! Πολύ ωραία παρουσίαση! Ότι μου είχε φανεί λάθος όταν πρωτοέπαιξα το παιχνίδι το σχολίασες. Χαιρετίσματα από την Ελλάδα!

Just a couple of days ago I was looking for some video of you analyzing ancient Greek in the media, can't believe you just uploaded this! Thanks man

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Great timing!

Very much loved hearing the Iperagia Theotoke in the background! Thanks for continually producing awesome content.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for being here!

@mariosathens1

3 жыл бұрын

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The middle voice is one of the things that makes Greek language the most perfect one in the world

Thank you so much for your lessons. I have been learning french and latin simultaneously. And it has been a well journey. And mind you I am only 23 years old. And over this past year my pronunciation has doubled. And you have opened my eyes to the world. And I'm excited to tell you that when I return back to school I will be studying linguistics. Thank you so much teacher.

The vocal actor is obviously a native Standard Modern Greek speaker who had no saying on the text she was asked to recite. Some of the errors pointed out would be obvious to any SMG speaker, even ones without any knowledge of older forms of the language.

She may be be a Greek speaker but she's more Roman than any German from the Holy Roman Empire

@davidfinch7407

3 жыл бұрын

Voltaire's joke was that the Holy Roman Empire wasn't Holy, it wasn't Roman, and wasn't an empire. He was right on all three!

@verl0000

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidfinch7407 Bro I've NEVER heard that joke before... ever!

@sto_karfi842

3 жыл бұрын

The Germans wanted the dominium mundi that's why they claimed Roman rights.In reality it's like having Gnodomar taking Rome from Julian the Philosopher/Apostate and telling him "I took the city I am now the Roman not you" which is quite laughable.Despite their fat words and as far as I know, the only state in Europe able to cut gold coins was the Byzantine, the rest were forbidden from this and the H.R.E. as well, that of course up until 1204, the reason was that this was the privilege of the Roman emperor and by doing otherwise you put doubts on his rights, with few exceptions made to provoke the byzantines the majority of west was completely complying with it and so the H.R.E. as well.Its not a secret that the Germans tried to gain legitimacy by marrying into the Roman royal families or the closest relatives.It is characteristic even among the Germans that the true Roman heritage was very big thing in terms of prestige, for example Frederick the Quarrelsome(his mother was a byzantine princess) confronted the H.R.E. emperor as equal in terms of pride and he preferred to accommodate himself rather than accept the emperor's hospitality, something the emperor appreciated...Fredrick's pride on his surroundings was such that he did not hesitate to expand on his neighbours and he had a good military to join him on his efforts, he even smashed a mongol army on his borders, such a pity he wasn't born before the Crusaders sack Constantinople, he would definitely cause troubles upon the emperor's death and would not hide in his palace as the Hungarian king did despite the right to claim the throne, as he was for many years Caesar of the Romans and appointed heir up until the birth of the real son of the emperor.

@leonardocontin937

2 жыл бұрын

In fact, the habitants of the Byzantine Empire did never call themselves like that, they called themselves Romans (altough in greek)

@apmikalogran

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly the Roman greekroman civilization survived In konstantinoupoli the German took over Rome They don’t have nothing to do with this tradition You can see that in the answer to the Pope Ofcourse and we speak Greek Is not a foreign language during the Roman Empire

Your explanation of the middle voice is the only one that made me finally get it!!! You are great!!!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

I'm delighted!

Awesome! Thanks for posting! I really appreciate your breakdown of middle voice. I’ve tried teaching myself grammar cases, etc., and some of these concepts are difficult.

Just stumbled upon your video by accident and honestly I’m so glad I did because I truly learned a lot in the video (I’m not even finished but I just had to stop by and comment hah). As someone who loves studying languages but also loves studying history, this is a fantastic balance of the two and with incredible references, examples and comparisons all throughout. Thank you for a phenomenal video and I can’t wait to watch more of your videos!

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Amazing video . The term «φίλη του Βυζαντίου» maybe not that wrong . The word Byzantium (Βυζαντίον) which was the Ancient Greek name of the city was used in everyday quite often by the local population ( especially the Hellenes of the City ) . A good example of this is Theofanis the Confessor ( Θεοφάνης ο Ομολογητής) who uses the terms “ Byzantine citizens” ( Βυζαντίου πολίτες ) and Byzantine army ( βυζαντιακος στρατός ) when referring to the population and the guard of Constantinople.

For me it's funny that You explained what is vocative case xD. Thx god I'm Polish, and cases are natural to me hahae.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thank god for Polish!

@pierreabbat6157

3 жыл бұрын

The -e ending is used for a few nouns in Russian as well as the Latin and Greek second-declension nouns.

@jakubolszewski8284

3 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke Yeah, but I must complain aboout how Polish peaople tryies to destroy their language via prescriptivism (Polish dialects, I miss You xD (of course they are living, but most young people thx school and maybe internet and that natural process of pretending to sound like the bigest dialect xD, don't speak in it (only Silesian stays a little good, but many speakers of it think that this is language, not dialect, so maybe I cant count this to polish dialects, like Kashubian, or something xD)). Too many letter I wrote, and with too bad English, excúsó hahae.

@jakubolszewski8284

3 жыл бұрын

@@pierreabbat6157 And we have -ie, e.g. Jakub > Jakubie. Of course -ie is just e, but with palatilization. I think in Russian is the same. And We both have Bóg > Boże as I remember (of course written in cyryllic in Russian) xD.

Honestly for the quality of these videos you upload pretty quick, props on the work ethic man

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, my friend! Every Friday at noon (NY time)! That’s the goal.

Xαίρɛ Luke ! Great video, great explanations (Middle voice, for instance). Didn’t know that version of the game - already in love with Theodora’s voice !

Haha I adored the Byzantine psalms in the background. Amazing work as always 👍

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, bro!

When I started learning Greek, the first thing we learned (after the alphabet) was the present tense of verbs in both the active and medio-passive voices. (Oh, that Luschnig text!) My first thought was the same thing Luke said here: "Now I understand why French and German require reflexives where English just uses an intransitive verb." While understanding the middle voice did shed light on the difference in constructions, there's a more important concept underlying things here which I think explains more things across a wider range of constructions. That is the idea of a verbal complement. That is to say, certain verbs require certain other words to complete their sense. For example, one can say, "John is reading." While a direct object is implied here, it's not required that it be explicitly expressed in order to make a complete sentence in English. On the other hand, one cannot say, "John put." Not only must the direct object be expressed here, but an adverbial expression of location is required as well. "John put it down" is a complete sentence, but leave out either the object or the location, and it doesn't work in English. In German, one can say, "Das Essen schmeckt," which literally means, "The food tastes," but idiomatically must be translated as "The food tastes good." English requires an adjective complement with the verb "taste" when used intransitively, whereas German does not. More broadly, there are many verbs in French and German (and other languages) which require a direct object complement, but their English equivalents can simply be used intransitively. Thus, "I bent over" must be translated into French as "Je me suis penché," and into German as "Ich habe mich gebeugt." (That is to say literally, "I bent myself over.") This one concept can dispell the mystery of reflexive verbs in some languages.

Beautiful job! Πολύ προσεγμένη δουλειά!!

I love your theatrical introduction and sauciness ... you make Latin and ancient Greek fun - which I can not believe I am writing! Your recitation of Theodora's statement was so inspiring - wow!

@polyMATHY_Luke

Жыл бұрын

That’s so nice of you to say. Thanks very much.

This comment isn't really relevant to this particular video, just some thoughts that came up after watching some consecutive videos. I really admire your objectivity regarding the different pronunciations of ancient Greek and the insight that you provide. I feel honored (and even relieved, to be honest) by the pronunciation you use and by the fact that you don't "demonize" the pronunciation of native Greek speakers, as there are a lot of people who consider it "inferior" or whatever they want to call it (there is no arguing that the pronunciation of ancient languages have some exotic factors that make them really compelling). I would also like to add that you are so knowledgeable that you can make speakers of any language feel proud of it by pointing out the various peculiarities of native accents. For example, I hadn't even noticed that native Greek speakers (among others) have a different "s" sound than English (or other) speakers until you pointed it out in some of your videos and this one also. You do an amazing job, you educate people, you make them happy and proud, and your stance in the controversial matter of ancient Greek pronunciation seems absolutely objective, respectful, well informed and right on point ( εύστοχη , as a Greek would say) . Thank you and keep it up!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Ευχαριστώ πολύ, Στέφανε! Thanks so much for your kind words. I'm really grateful that my position on controversial topics like Greek pronunciation is generally well accepted, particularly by native Greek speakers! We non-Greeks can learn a lot of subtle but important details about the ancient language just through studying Modern Greek. Thanks for being here!

Thank you for the video! I didn't expect Byzantine chants in the background. That grammar lesson on Middle voice was truly interesting, although I hadn't learn it that way. I was taught: Ενεργητική φωνή: κάνω κάτι σε κάποιον/κάτι Παθητική φωνή: παθαίνω κάτι από κάποιον/κάτι Μέση φωνή: παθαίνω κάτι από τον ίδιο μου τον εαυτό. (i.e. κάνω κάτι στον εαυτό μου) E.g.: Ε.Φ. λύω τὸν δεσμὸν/λύω τὸν Πέτρον Π.Φ. ἐλύθην ὑπὸ τοῦ Πέτρου Μ.Φ. ἐλυσάμην (υπονοείται: από τον εαυτὸ μου, i.e. έλυσα τον εαυτό μου) That use of Middle Voice as in to "have someone something done" is new to me (that's what I understood of what you said). Could you suggest a book/paper etc. to read more about it?

@SP19NC

2 жыл бұрын

Γιατί δεν περίμενες να ακούγονται Βυζαντινά άσματα; Βυζαντινή ήταν η Θεοδώρα. Από το 330 και μετά η Αυτοκρατορία δεν ήταν πια Ρωμαϊκή. Ειδικά μετά τη διάσπαση της Αυτοκρατορίας στα δύο, το ανατολικό κομμάτι ήταν 100% ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ. Η επίσημη γλώσσα της Βυζαντινή αυτοκρατορίας ήταν τα Βυζαντινά (Μεσαιωνικά) Ελληνικά.

Another wonderful video! Thank you!

Mate, I really do love your videos! Thank you so much.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I just want to say that using the nominative case instead of the vocative with the word "φίλος" (friend), is also common slang used in previous decades in modern Greek, and it sounds a bit street and a bit quaint at the same time. So to my modern Greek ears, her saying "Ναι, φίλτατος;" sounded a bit like she said "Yes, my dude?", which I find hilarious. I wonder if they sneaked it in as a joke or whether it was an actual mistake.

@carmensavu5122

Жыл бұрын

lmao

@stixoimatizontas

9 ай бұрын

Indeed! Funny and accurate.

Adoro seus vídeos sobre Latim! 🤓 Saudações do Brasil!

YES! been looking forward to this one

This was my first visit. I was thoroughly entertained and learnt interesting information. What more could I want?

Me gustó mucho conocer la historia, χάριν σόι φίλε!

Definitely the actress speaks Greek with the modern pronunciation, but dear friend Polymath, let me tell you this. For a non-Greek person, your Greek is absolutely great my friend! You speak our language, almost like a native speaker. P.S.: And yes "φίλτατε" is the right fall!

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Ευχαριστω!

@drakontas1

2 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke παρακαλώ!

Fantastic Luke. You manage to keep raising the bar further and further with each new installment. Informative content, cinematographic quality, narrative and literary rhythm...This video is a treat, a real feast. Theodora and Justinian. One of "those" periods in History. These guys made the Imperial Roman heart beat hard again in the Mediterranean, not only consolidating the Eastern Roman Empire but conquering allmost all of Italy, and other big chunks of the old Western Roman Empire. But with these two the Roman heart was beating from another city, Constantinople. Constantinople. Byzantion. Interesting diglossia. The first ideal candidate for an Eastern Roman capital was Troy, seeking to return to the mythical origins of Rome as established by Virgil when the Empire began with Augustus, and Constantine even had the building works began, but the idea was abandoned because the magnificent natural harbour that had made Troy such a thriving city through millennia had already disappeared. Up North there was Byzantium, founded by Greeks from Megara in the 7th century B.C.; it wasn't where Aeneas had come from but it was good enough, dominating the gates between the Mediterranean and the Black Sea. So you've got this strong Roman dynasty and court, officially even talking in Latin, transplanted into the heart of the Greek world. And you even have one of "those" generals, Belisarius. All the elements are there to make this period of History interesting. You only need the author to chronicle it. Ideally a Shakespeare. Procopius sounds like a very good option. And like another treasure to enjoy for all those Hellenophiles out there who have already read quite a bit of Epic, Ionic, Attic or Koine (not to mention native Greeks, he, he...) Those seven Loeb volumes of Procopius's works sure look tempting. And intriguing. Five volumes of official History, war after war with the Persians, the Vandals, the Goths... and his scurrilous Secret History, the stuff "behind the curtains", the gossip... Vey juicy! Anyway, there's no need to read Procopius in the original language to already enjoy this video :) A film? Count me in. I'm ready to chip in in a crowdfunding or something. And yeah, we want everything, to hear 6th century credible Greek and Latin...Let's have a flight of fantasy...What about Metatron giving advice on armour and military? What about Ioannis Stratakis as Ioustinianós?? What about you as Belisarius??? Let's goooooooo!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Haha I’d love to act in it! As Belisarius or anyone. Thanks for the comments! I’m glad you liked the video.

The way u pronounce certain words is so pure and soft......I would love to listen to you reading some acient Latin or Greek text. It's great that u bring knowledge about those some what forgotten languages. Because they lay in the begginings of many modern languages

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Check out my audiobooks store at LukeRanieri.com

well done, I learned something new. Thank you.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Ευχαριστώ!

@illiakharlamov8732

2 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke Damn, you start to really understand how much influence Constantinople had on your culture ( I'm Ukrainian and it's so happens Constantinople was our main trading partner, cultural and religious influencer, and raiding victim, of course. Black Sea rules, what can I say.) when you can correctly pronounce some of those words just because you see familiar symbols. And being neighbors to Poland we can say Jakub Blazczykowski's surname without breaking our tongues, yay! Fun fact. Our ancestors used to call Constantinople "Tsargorod" which means " city of a king".

Damn, I had no idea that something like a "middle voice" had even existed in the Indo-European languages. Opens a whole wide new view not only on the languages, but on the ways of thought of the former people themselves. When it comes to Theodore, I love Byzantine history and I am so glad you'd covered her story as well. Carry on, brother, your content is so worth and fun to watch. Edit: is there someone who could tell me the name of the background music?

Ω μον οπιων θαυμα! 😍 Το 'ξερα, οτι αυτη η εγγραφη θα ηταν μια σοστη επιλογη. Εισαι ωραιος, "καλος ξενος". I remember the game were released by the time I went to Cyprus. It was great fun to gradually discover that I start to actually understand what she is saying, since she was one of my favourite leaders, if not gameplay-wise, but visually, personality wise and VA-wise definitely. Thank you for the amazingly entertaining and educational content. 🙏

Amazing video, and as a native speaker (bilingual, as I grew up in the US), I absolutely loved your analysis! The chants in the background were very pretty too, and a nice touch. I also really love that you have an appreciation for Eastern Rome and not just classical Greece as most people do, even though your area of expertise is Ancient Greek. Thank you for all the coverage and praise you give to my beautiful language!

Great video, I love how you told her story at the end. Hope you do the same with Basil II from Civ VI (and the other four or so greco-roman leaders there as well)!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Great idea!

the middle voice is awesome , it also gives an air of humility.

I would love to see a movie about Justinian and Theodora! And why not also a movie about Heraclius and the Persian Wars, or Basil the Bulgar-slayer, or Nikephoros Phocas and the retaking of Crete? And the list goes on. There's literally so much material in Roman (and especially later Roman) history that is not being used at all! Movie-makers are either blind, broke, or extremely biased against Romanίa. And by the way, @polymathy Luke, Thank you so much for stating the truth! That Romanίa is Rome, the Roman Empire, not Byzantium. I loved the comparison with Lutetia! :D And of course I absolutely LOVE the background music! I recognise the name of every track of it! I love your channel in general, and all your content.

You are great mate! Love the videos.

You should look at Basil II's Greek in Civilization 6

I have to hear what you have to say for Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander, and Basil II’s Greek phrases in Civ VI

Συνέχισε μεγάλε! Τα βίντεο σου είναι πολύ ωραία

you are brilliant and you inspire me to continue my studies of the classical languages. thank you.

Excellent. As a greek guy and a fan of the civilization games i love it! Keep making all this cool Byzantium stuff!

Love this channel

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

It loves you back!

Excellent work Luke. Συγχαρητήρια! I really enjoyed the video. Thank you for taking the time to do videos about Greek, a language that is very often overshadowed by Latin (in a historical sense).

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for watching! Yeah, like you can tell from my little poster, I put equal weight on both languages

Και πάλι συγχαρητίρια για το έργο σας !

@polyMATHY_Luke

7 ай бұрын

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

Πολυ καλο βιντεο. Χαιρετισμους απο Ελλαδαρα!

Like your idea about a movie. The whole life of Theodora and Justinian was a great story of Dark and Golden age of Eastern (and then even with Rome itself) Roman empire. It could be even series on HBO or Netflix.

These are so great. I've been very curious about the accuracy of the language used in Civ 6. The use of ancient languages is such a great thing for games like this. Thank you so much. I hope you get a chance to assess the Ancient Greek used in Civ6 too.

You really got me with your enthousiastic call for the movie. All joking aside though, I would LOVE to see such a thing. Maybe start a kickstarter and/or gofundme in collaboration with classical language faculties?

In δυσχερής, I randomly said to myself "the neuter must be δυσχερές", and it was. I have literally no idea of Greek except for some roots in scientific names hahaha

Fascinating stuff. I hope you'll go on to cover all the Greek-speaking leaders in Civ VI as well. Between Pericles, Gorgo, Alexander, and Basil II, that game is a gold mine of Greek-related content.

@user-et8vm9cc3t

3 жыл бұрын

Do they have different pronunciation, historical variant and dialects? That would be cool!

@citizencalmar

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-et8vm9cc3t Supposedly, yes. I don't speak Greek myself, but according to sources on the internet, they have Pericles and Alexander speaking Attic Greek, Gorgo speaking Doric Greek, and Basil II speaking some kind of Attic/Koine hybrid. I really hope Luke will cover them and let us know in detail!

Gracias por otro excelente video, muy específico y con el rigor que merece el tema!!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Gracias amīcissima!!

I absolutely love this pop culture series you have going on. Just keeps getting better!

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Weyoun! Go DS9, by the way. 🖖

@WeyounSix

3 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke Ahhh I love this channel even more now haha

I grew up bilingually, where one was german(ic) and the other was roman(ce)ian. meanwhile I'm speaking english, french and italian and spanish on holidays level. by interest I understand and can read scandinavian languages in good parts, baltics not so much, or better said not so swift. I just started learning - or better said diving a bit into - samskrti and koyne. I enjoy so much listening to your remarks, language in my head becomes three-dimensional. I perfectly understand the middle voice. I guess I would understand significant parts of real indoeuropean, proto-i.-e. is mostly a piece of cake to me. I would love to - and I will - get into semitic languages next. You are like a beacon to me. Big thanks.

Great vid :)

Very well made video, thank you so much! :)

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!

What a great show! There's something magical about the Greek language - especially in song

Theodora is now my historical waifu

@AngraMainiiu

3 жыл бұрын

She's Justinian's waifu tho...

@dinos9607

2 жыл бұрын

@@AngraMainiiu She was many men's waifu

15:40 Yes, let's see that and make it happen! :-) This video made me smile! They always do... thank you, Luke.

@polyMATHY_Luke

3 жыл бұрын

Hvala, Majo! 😊

The music in the background is really nice, I like the voice of whoever is singing a lot.

First of all thank you for your videos. You were spot on about the actress being Greek amd it also amazed me that she didnt react to obvious mistakes made.