I, as a German, very much agree with Mr Pappe and don't understand the reaction of the German government to what happens in Gaza. Wrong is wrong no matter who commits it.

@heatherbrown384

Ай бұрын

Germany's pro Israel stance has its roots in a history the Western world will simply not allow it to move on from. So, had they expressed any criticism against Israel, this current cry of "Anti-Semitism" levelled at any other when expressing outrage at this genocide, would have been tenfold. So. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

@frankrevuelto-lanao2246

Ай бұрын

G Germany is a genocidal state

@colorswordsandlearning

Ай бұрын

What I don't understand is their indifference to what they ( government/ regimes ) did in Namibia and to other populations than Jews . Why no equal regrets and overcorrections there ? Racism ? Supremacy ? By the government and elites ?

@mradeelmirza

Ай бұрын

Germany is complicit in this holocaust.

@johnwilsonwsws

Ай бұрын

The reaction of the German government is understandable once you look at the interests of German imperialism. This is entirely missing from the discussion in the video. Instead Pappe insinuates that the German government is just reflecting the outlook of the German people when that is the ideological cover for the actions of the German ruling class. It should be noted that In the 1990s the German government insisted Germany’s experience of the Nazi regime mean it “had” to intervene in the Balkans. It was German recognition of Slovenia the accelerate the disintegration of Yugoslavia as the European powers pursued their own interests. Germany has tripled its military budget since 2022 and the U.S. bombing of the Nord Stream II pipeline shows it must, once again, fight for its “place in the sun”, especially against U.S. imperialism. The only social force that can stop this is the international working class. It is as simple and as complex as that. I recommend the following. kzread.info/dash/bejne/hKqNxslqZdzbqdY.html

"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine." - Ilan Pappé

@manubande

Ай бұрын

What a delusional indoctrination the zionism is...

@rodriguezdiazlaura

Ай бұрын

Very convenient!

@davidcohen6742

Ай бұрын

In Judaism you are NOT required to believe in God to believe in Torah as the Jewish constitution.

@davidcohen6742

Ай бұрын

Judaism is not a religion to require a belief or dogma.

@hanielgaribay7623

Ай бұрын

Very convenient and manipulative@@davidcohen6742

I am German and I agree with Prof. Pappe's statements about Germany 100 percent. It makes me sick when I see the pathetic Annalena Baerbock express her support for Israel or when Germany declares it will defend Israel at the ICJ in the upcoming genocide trial.

@thechannelofsas8488

Ай бұрын

Its even weirder seeing Germans flying palestine flags

@blessedbeme50

Ай бұрын

When the face of evil looks like them they will defend it.

@shovanbijoy7136

Ай бұрын

​@@blessedbeme50simply history is repeating again

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

Just curious, how many of your relatives were Nazis? How many concentration camp guards?

@hisham1269

Ай бұрын

‘How these intellectuals and educated people appear to be so stupid and superficial in the way they express themselves when it comes to the question of isreal and palestine’. Having to live in Germany, I couldnt agree more, it’s like bruh, just speak

Professor Pappe's principled anti-Zionism shames his cowardly, genocide-enabling peers in Western academia. An extremely important interview, and I encourage the Professor to take as many media opportunities as he can in Britain to spread this truth further.

“Since its establishment, Israel has engaged in brutal oppression of the rights of Palestinians. Thousands of Palestinians are imprisoned, beaten and tortured; children are taken from their beds and beaten by soldiers who are armed to the teeth.”-Miko Peled.

@mikeboate208

Ай бұрын

1. Haifa Massacre 1937 2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937 3. Haifa Massacre 1938 4. Balad al-Sheikh Massacre 1939 5. Haifa Massacre 1939 6. Haifa Massacre 1947 7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947 8. Al-Khisas Massacre 1947 9. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947 10. Jerusalem Massacre 1947 11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947 12. Jaffa Massacre 1948 13. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956 14. Jerusalem Massacre 1967 15. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982 16. Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990 17. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994 18. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002 19. Gaza Massacre 2008-09 20. Gaza Massacre 2012 21. Gaza Massacre 2014 22. Gaza Massacre 2018-19 23. Gaza Massacre 2021 24. Gaza Genocide 2023 is still ongoing. DONT LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th*** SHARE AND REPOST***

@gypsystargirl6626

Ай бұрын

😢😢😡😠

@Erika-eu5jq

Ай бұрын

@@mikeboate208Pour ma part, Israël n’a jamais existé et aujourd’hui plus que jamais. Ce pays a été fondé sur le massacre des Palestiniens. Comment peut-on vénérer un pays aussi fourbe, criminel, suprémaciste, dont les habitants venaient de sortir de l’holocauste.

@richardgraham7055

Ай бұрын

Here are some more quotes: Matti Peled (IDF Maj-General retired): “Anyone who said occupation corrupts was absolutely right. We are occupying the West Bank and the Gaza Street for the last 25 years. This is corrupting us. Maybe even more than the American Aid … In any case this is one of the most damaging gifts that we get from the United States.” Miko Peled (son of Matti Peled): “The Israeli doctors who signed the petition authorizing the bombing of GAZA hospitals must be condemned. But condemning an oppressed nation [the Palestinians] for resisting is the height of hypocrisy and makes no sense.” Moshe Dayan: “There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.” Moshe Dayan: “What cause have we to complain abut their fierce hatred of us? For eight years now, they sit in their refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we turn into our homestead the land and villages in which their forefathers have lived.” Moshe Dayan: “Before [the Palestinians] very eyes we are possessing the land and the villages where their ancestors have lived. We are the generation of colonizers and without the steel helmet, and the gun barrel, we cannot plant a tree and build a house.” Howard Zinn: “To be hopeful in bad times is not just foolishly romantic. It is based on the fact that human history is a history not only of cruelty, but also of compassion, sacrifice, courage, kindness.
What we choose to emphasize in this complex history will determine our lives. If we see only the worst, it destroys our capacity to do something. If we remember those times and places-and there are so many-where people have behaved magnificently, this gives us the energy to act, and at least the possibility of sending this spinning top of a world in a different direction.
And if we do act, in however small a way, we don’t have to wait for some grand utopian future. The future is an infinite succession of presents, and to live now as we think human beings should live, in defiance of all that is bad around us, is itself a marvellous victory.” Norman Finkelstein: “The biggest insult to the memory of the holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to commit genocide against the Palestinian people.” Israel Shahak (Israeli historian, Holocaust survivor): “The Nazis made me afraid of being Jewish and the Zionists made me ashamed of being Jewish.” Albert Einstein: "The most important aspect of our policy must be our ever-present, manifest desire to institute complete equality for the Arab citizens living in our midst … The attitude we adopt toward the Arab minority will provide the real test of our moral standards as a people. … What saddens me is less the fact that the Jews are not smart enough to understand this, but rather, that they are just not smart enough to want it.” Albert Einstein: “If I were to remain silent, I’d be guilty of complicity.”

@dadaimiza

Ай бұрын

How can I copy your comments?

If you want to understand the real history of Palestine reading and listening to Professor Pappe is essential. Thank you sir.

@marcelleratafia2360

Ай бұрын

Yes, for example he doesn't participate in the division of the palestinians in "israeli arabs" and other groups, treats the palestinians with "israeli" citizenship in his treatises of the Nakba. One point of many

@redlipstickmafia

Ай бұрын

He was on Electronic Indifada today. Great interview.

@eyedownload

Ай бұрын

Thank you so much Electronic Intifada for this interview and thank you Ilan Pappe for giving us such a thorough understanding. Your insight is valued by all of us.

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

Pape is a stooge and a traitor.

@moxiequed5750

Ай бұрын

and I would add Edward Said

Thank you for hosting Mr. Pappe. What a decent man. 🇪🇭🇪🇭

Thank you! I pray Ilan Pappe is right! Free Palestine! Soon!

Ireland 🇮🇪 stands with Palestine ❤ We have a similar history of invasion, colonisation and partitioning + Famine (of the gen0cidal kind)

@dmurphy3202

Ай бұрын

Ireland 🇮🇪 understands the Palestinian cause. The Brits having brutalised our land and people both metaphorically and literally is why we wanted to exit a union we NEVER wanted to be part of.. Britain oversaw the genocidal Famine by actively exporting our other food sources letting us starve, die and flee. Now having read the above... that is why we have always fought, resisted and never bent knee to British rule. Do Brits think we fought British rule for centuries for the laugh of it or something? When people fight, they fight for a good reason and when a nation fights it's because something was taken away from them! After the Norman/Anglo Invasion of Ireland in the 1100s, we then had Planters arrive as per The Plantations in 16th- and 17th-century which involved the confiscation of Irish-owned land by the English Crown and the colonisation of land with settlers from Britain. We fought back: 1. The two Desmond Rebellions took place in 1569-1573 and 1579-1583 to *fight against the threat of the extension of the English government* over the province. 2. The successful Battle of Clontibret was *fought against the British* in County Monaghan in 1595. 3. The successful Battle of the Yellow Ford was *fought against the British* in County Armagh in 1598. 4. The Nine Years' War, sometimes called Tyrone's Rebellion took place in Ireland from 1593 to 1603. It was fought between an Irish alliance to *fight against English rule in Ireland.* 5. The Rebellion of 1641 took place when Irish Catholics were being threatened by expansion of the anti-Catholic English Parliament and Scottish Planters and they *rebelled against English and Protestant domination.* 6. The Irish Rebellion of 1798 was a major uprising *against British rule in Ireland.* (The Society of United Irishmen was led primarily by liberal Protestants). The Irish wanted an end to anti-Catholic discrimination, greater Irish self-governance, and to roll back the Plantations of Ireland. 7. The Irish rebellion of 1803 was launched by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* 8. The Young Irelander Rebellion was an Irish nationalist uprising led by the Young Ireland movement, part of the wider Revolutions of 1848. 9. The Fenian Rising of 1867 was a rebellion *against British rule in Ireland*, organised by the Irish Republican Brotherhood. 10. The Easter Rising of 1916 was piloted by Irish republicans *against British rule in Ireland* with the aim of establishing an independent Irish Republic. 11. The civil rights movement in the early 1960s challenged the inequality and discrimination against ethnic Irish Catholics that was perpetrated by the Ulster Protestant community. 12. Derry activists' marched on the 5 October 1968 in Derry, but were attacked by the RUC and loyalists. THAT IS A SNAPSHOT OF HOW WE HAVE FOUGHT AND RESISTED BOTH BRITISH RULE AND DISCRIMINATION BY THE UNIONIST COMMUNITY.

@WriteInAaronBushnell

Ай бұрын

My great grandparents left for Boston to flee the civil war, and seeing Ireland's support for the Palestinian people makes me want to cash in his return ticket

@kathleentrinity7367

Ай бұрын

​@@dmurphy3202Thank you from an Irish American woman. The British, I've been told, even sowed salt in many farmlands to further starve the Irish.

@piretveski9399

Ай бұрын

Estonian .The same story....we were slaves to german upper class prople for nearly 650 years.We were " not people" until1816 .....big support to Palestine and holemiddle east for fight for independence

@TheSashapooch

Ай бұрын

@@dmurphy3202 For Palestine .... Tiochfaidh ar la! Bless them. Proud to march in Belfast with the growing number of people standing up against this injustice - our Jewish citizens among them. Kudos to these brave people of integrity.

Ilan Pappe is a brilliant historian! His views are based on a scholarly examination of crucial documents.

@fornolina

Ай бұрын

Moreover, he is a beautiful human being.

Thank you so much for this conversation. Deep respect!!! ❤️🇵🇸🌹

I recently bought and read Ilan's book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine. It is meticulously researched and referenced, citing numerous primary sources, including Zionist and Israeli archives. I cannot recommend it too highly. It was also well written, bringing the history around 1948 alive. This was an engrossing interview. Thank you Electronic Intifada.

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

What about the ethnic cleansing of Jews from the West Bank and Gaza in 1948, as well as the ethnic cleansing of sound a million Jews from NiagaRa countries in the Middle East at about the same time. What about the invasion of Israel by several Arab armies in 1948 that sought to genocide all the Jews of Israel? You certainly have a very selective idea of history!

@josehernandezmartinez8719

3 күн бұрын

​@allenmoses110 What about the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the west Bank and Gaza?

With due respect to everyone that cares about Gaza , West Bank and Palestine in general , THIS IS NOT ENOUGH ! On the ground , North Gaza people are starving and atrocities are being commited , non stop . My suggestion : we need millions of people marching everyday in front of our governments , mayors , representatives . We need billions to BOYCOTT , BILLIONS of people boycotting makes an impact . Spread the brands , join groups to protest , unity is our best weapon . This is too much guys , MOBILIZE , ACT . ❤

@bridgetbold6867

Ай бұрын

Yes and BOYCOTT!!! we need a World Headquarters that coordinates international boycotts and protests.

@donnavorce8856

Ай бұрын

How do you do that without getting censored? All my posts keep getting yanked. It's truly frustrating. Glad you can post . . . Any thoughts?

@jaimiemclaughlin3126

Ай бұрын

​@@donnavorce8856lots of my posts recently have been cancelled for some reason? No hate speech, no racism, just my views against Zionism.

@Megaghost_

Ай бұрын

@@jaimiemclaughlin3126Because you wrote the Z word, maybe. Or any other word triggers, that's enough reason.

@dianacasey6002

Ай бұрын

Be proud and frustrated by being cencored

Good to see the professor again. Wishing him good health and long life. History needs him❤

@user-oe8gy8dk8f

Ай бұрын

Knowledge harmony peace

@marygarrapa3537

Ай бұрын

The world needs more people like him

@AdamYoung-nh5lm

Ай бұрын

The present needs him

@fun_ghoul

Ай бұрын

L'chaim!

Ilan Pappey made me cry by his courage and connection to our common humanity 🙏

Thank you for this excellent interview. Ilan Pappe is a voice of reason -- a real hero of our time.

Thank you for posting this interview. Justice for Palestine.

For anyone who wants a solid understanding of the Palestine issue, I suggest that you read “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine” by Ilan. I have just finished reading it and intend to do a rereading, for it is so packed with information.

@99observer99

Ай бұрын

I second your recommendation of this honest, informative book. I read it about 16 years ago. Another excellent book tip read is THE BIRTH OF ISRAEL: MYTHS AND REALITIES by Simha Flapan, also a Jewish Israel, now deceased.

@duncanmacpherson2013

Ай бұрын

I agree with your comments. I also have a copy of this excellent work of scholarship

@Aberamentho2010

Ай бұрын

I am curious. Does he admit the truth that the ancient Israelites were black/brown afro peoples, and that many real biblical jew descendants fled into africa after the 70ad fall of jerusalem? Does it talk about the igbo/ebo/eber/hebrew slaves that were put on slaves ships and scattered throughout the 4 corners of the earth as prophesied in deuteronomy 28 ? Does he also tell about the black jews of spain being enslaved, exiled shipped to the indies during the slave trade ?

@jacobjorgenson9285

Ай бұрын

ANY work by Avi Shlaim or Norman Finklestein

@Aberamentho2010

Ай бұрын

Based on the lack of response to my questions, I assume he does not mention any of the topics I referenced. Which means he's overall complicit in continuing to perpetuate the Lie.

My heart is the heaviest today. I turned to your channel for consolation, anything to make me comprehend wtf is wrong with this sick, ugly world!!

@Uncanny_Mountain

Ай бұрын

All that matters is how to fix it, or what are we all doing other than thoughts and prayers? We must *Demand* Govt by People's Referenda: By Peaceful Occupation of our Capitals until it's installed, or run Mascot Candidates Single Issue Referendums with thresholds and a social contract means Communities can vote their own laws. A Public Authority can audit police and prosecute bad cops in our own courts. Nationalise resources and give Indigenous peoples the right of Sovereignty over them as Guardians. This can be achieved through a General Strike or Velvet Revolution, much like the Occupy movement, peacefully occupying State Buildings until a People's Mandate can be implemented. With the appropriate checks and balances, you could have a national digital forum where qualified professionals can debate the issues in a public setting without all the disinformation and bad faith antics, hatespeech etc. Any vote would need to pass the 70% threshold, with a veto or _rewrite_ vote needing 30%. The issues would be debated, the public educated, and then a vote taken. Votes that fail will have to wait a year before trying again. Any new proposal (Citizen Initiated Referendum) would have to reach a threshold of support before it made it onto the register. This would be subject to a Social Contract (New Constitution) that forbids human rights abuses and discrimination. That can be written in the same manner based on the core principles we all share. Councils and Boards could operate in the same fashion at Scale. It works in a way that obligates people to better educate themselves ( that is to use logic and evidence in their reasoning ) for a better understanding of the issues, and then take collective responsibility for the outcomes. As opposed to the divisive US v them scapegoating and bi-partisan finger pointing the current Capitalist Pyramid Scheme runs on. We need Government by People's Referenda, either through Mascot Candidates or Peaceful Occupation of the Capitals until one is established. Make it an annual March on Oct 14.

@Lafleurdunil

Ай бұрын

This has been going on for centuries. It's just now as we are entering the Age of Aquarius, everything is there for all to see. A lot was hidden and we always got bits and pieces with a lot of manipulation of history. Today, we can no longer hide both good and bad. But it is important to point out the negative that has been pushed under the carpet for so-o-o long. Palestinians have paid extremely heavily from what the zionists have done to them; in fact a lot of what the zionists have done have been blamed on the Palestinians. What goes around, comes around! Karma does exist. There is so much proof of it. You kill someone uselessly, you will have to come back in another life to give your life to save that life you killed in a previous incarnation. No one gets away from that. So it looks like the zionists will be around for a long time.... but not as zionists or jews but some time as black, chinese, arab, etc.

As a Palestinian American, the most vital support we can have in this struggle is that of our fellow Jewish brothers and sisters who put humanity above all, first & foremost regardless of ethnicity or skin color. Ilan Pappé, Miko Peled, The entire Maté family of Gabor, Aaron & Daniel, Max Blumenthal, Katie Halper, Nora Barrows-Friedman, Dan Cohen, Medea Benjamin, Keaton Weiss/Russell Dobular & Norman Finkelstein, just to name a few for starters. I thank you all. (If Abby Martin is Jewish, she’s right near the top of the list but I don’t know her ethnicity. She’s one helluva lady when it comes to sticking up for Palestinians and their struggles). 🙏🇵🇸😔

@colorswordsandlearning

Ай бұрын

Love them ❤all . Not a Palestinian or USian

@fun_ghoul

Ай бұрын

Their solidarity is not bad, but I just heard a good argument the other day for not essentializing Jewish voices in the Palestinian struggle. Basically, doing so advances the notion that being Jewish gives someone a special moral right /obligation to opine on "Israel". I know this isn't where the people you mentioned above are coming from at all, of course, but it's defo not crazy to conceive of Palestinian voices being passed over by MSM outlets to have on amti-Zionist Jews instead, especially because Zionists prefer to abuse them over a "racial minority" (READ: _Aravim_ ) when in the ("Western") public eye. I'll be damned if I can remember who advanced this, but...they might well have been on EI!

@fun_ghoul

Ай бұрын

P.S. "Jewish" is not an ethnicity. It's a religion. Are people from Spain, Iraq and Ukraine all the same ethnicity?

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

Don't get too carried away. Israel is here to stay. Best you can do is the Abraham Accords plus the two state solution. The sooner this is accomplished the better for everyone.

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

A few bizarre Jewish writers are not going to get you anywhere, that's just reality. It's all about the Israeli electorate and the U.S. Government policy. And the USA will always be Israel's number one ally. Trump is exceptionally pro Israel, and Biden calls himself a Zionist.

Moral integrity is running low these days when most of the people can be bought with the right amount of money! Ilan Pappe is one of those whose morality is Not for sale! ❤

@krispycool1

Ай бұрын

Yes, most people care more about their pronouns than atrocities committed against their fellow humans. a truly shallow and disgusting world we exist in

@davidcohen6742

Ай бұрын

His morality is not for sale because nobody wants to buy stupid ideas as those of ilan. 😂😂

@KahinaKhando46

Ай бұрын

​@@davidcohen6742you are a professor at which university?

@irisbristow2977

Ай бұрын

What!!!!!

@Z.e.n9400

Ай бұрын

​@@davidcohen6742the truth is not for sale

So much respect to Professor Ilan Pappe for speaking the truth!

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

Pappe is a loser. Israel is a powerhouse of military, culture, technology, science and religion. Israel is now more united than ever.

Ilan Pappe is a wonderful human being...it never ceases to amaze me how many Jewish people are fighting for justice for the Palestinians . We must never confuse being Jewish with being zionest.

@Uncanny_Mountain

Ай бұрын

Most Jews don't support israel, over 80% of American Jews in fact. And around the world. Even in israel over two million had left before Oct, and the other half wanted to leave, but israel wouldn't issue their passports It's not a Jewish project It's a proxy for Rome That's why all it's supporters in media are Catholic

@Kan09138

20 күн бұрын

Yes these jewish people are to be admired because they are certainly under gréât pressure from the zionists. We need to stand by them.and protect them .

I learn so much listening to Professor Pappé. Thank you for having him on.

Thanks for the education by Ilan and the "relentless" informations by the e.i. I am too old to be a young fighter (74) for the rights of the Palestinians, but I was in Afghanistan and Somalia during the war, so I do my best to support all the good people, who still have empathy and morality left.

@kathleentrinity7367

Ай бұрын

I'm much older now too, but I think we have insights that bring morality and consequences into the picture. These days there are lots of people, both young and old, who point to the use of brute force as an acceptable way of dealing with problems. Also, many substitute angry tribal emotionality for rationality and empathy. As seniors, I think we can articulate this problem more clearly. Thank you for your comment.

@constantquestioning4010

Ай бұрын

Moving post Thank you Paris 🙏🏼🕯🕯🙏🏼

@jamelb2230

Ай бұрын

Did you killed and tortured innocent Afghans in order to fulfill your ugly racist dreams about Muslims and so can bragging about it??

@shamim621

Ай бұрын

Thank you

Thank you so much for spreading the truth about gazan’s and Zionist and Israeli genocide

What a fantastic discussion with the amazing Ilan Pappe. He is a brilliant and thought provoking historian. Thank you EI for organising this discussion.

Absolutely brilliant and educational. Thank you all. 🙏🍉🍉🍉

Inspirational people, of the highest integrity and intellectual calibre, in this podcast. 👏

Stand up for humanity and justice. 🌸🇵🇸🌸

Global South should invite Ilan Peppe to their conferences and seminars for exposing the truth. He is a renowned scholar and should be used accordingly.

@fun_ghoul

Ай бұрын

In the age of Zoom, physical jetsetting is not needed...even immoral. I know not everything can be done that way, but with Dr. Pappé, presumably it would be the usual format of speech followed by (poorly-mic'd) audience questions. That is certainly Zoom-able, particularly with a good audio person. Even so, I wonder if maybe he does still get or even accept such invitations...

@karate4348

Ай бұрын

Heard

@fraudexposed5486

Ай бұрын

Global South is too busy spreading conspiracy theories about Jewish bankers to do anything serious. South Africa is already a failed state

Thank you for always bringing an unbiased truth. Sincerely, Catholic woman

How about a joint leadership of Dr Barghouti and Dr Pappe. ☝️🕊

@republica13

Ай бұрын

That would be amazing.

@republica13

Ай бұрын

That would be amazing.

@N.Mpenwarrior

Ай бұрын

Let us not forget Husma Zomlot.

@N.Mpenwarrior

Ай бұрын

Inside Israel, the cement holding Zionist Jews together is their hatred of the Palestinians. The Palestinians are a daily reminder of Israel's illegitimacy.

@farahmaswadeh6245

Ай бұрын

YES PLS

Ilan Pappe', an honorable Jewish man with immense character & integrity! Keep up the good work Ilan! We are ALL listening!

@victormeidan1062

Ай бұрын

Pappe = Madman

Thank you Nora, Ali and Ilan. We must not be silent while witnessing injustice.

Thank You guys. Much respect always.❤

Thank you, Dr. Pappé! Dear Electronic Intifada personnel, I love you all and cry for you and for all affected by the ongoing genocide.

Professor Pappe, your presence , knowledge, wisdom & compassion are so appreciated at this time. Thank you.

@victormeidan1062

Ай бұрын

This professor was kicked out of his university for fabricating historical data.

3 vital voices in this conversation. I am so grateful for each of you and the incredible journalism you provide. It is absolutely essential.

Thank you for an excellent program. I have hope in the power of people like you to bring about desperately needed change. Peace and love.

He was such a great guest, it's very enlightening to hear from an academic who made serious work on the field.

Being close to Ilan Pappe's age, I understand and agree with him in regards to change being in the hands of young people. My generation pretty much bought into our US government's presentation of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict via mainstream news media. I personally didn't entirely accept this because I had been directed to books that contradicted the official narrative. But, I never imagined the level of atrocities being committed by Israel that I've been viewing in real time since October 7. I can only hope that people who care about humanity will continue to protest this horrible injustice that's still being carried out with the support of the US and other Western powers. Long live Palestine! 🇵🇸❤🙏

@Uncanny_Mountain

Ай бұрын

All that matters is how to fix it, or what are we all doing other than thoughts and prayers? We must *Demand* Govt by People's Referenda: By Peaceful Occupation of our Capitals until it's installed, or run Mascot Candidates Single Issue Referendums with thresholds and a social contract means Communities can vote their own laws. A Public Authority can audit police and prosecute bad cops in our own courts. Nationalise resources and give Indigenous peoples the right of Sovereignty over them as Guardians. This can be achieved through a General Strike or Velvet Revolution, much like the Occupy movement, peacefully occupying State Buildings until a People's Mandate can be implemented. With the appropriate checks and balances, you could have a national digital forum where qualified professionals can debate the issues in a public setting without all the disinformation and bad faith antics, hatespeech etc. Any vote would need to pass the 70% threshold, with a veto or _rewrite_ vote needing 30%. The issues would be debated, the public educated, and then a vote taken. Votes that fail will have to wait a year before trying again. Any new proposal (Citizen Initiated Referendum) would have to reach a threshold of support before it made it onto the register. This would be subject to a Social Contract (New Constitution) that forbids human rights abuses and discrimination. That can be written in the same manner based on the core principles we all share. Councils and Boards could operate in the same fashion at Scale. It works in a way that obligates people to better educate themselves ( that is to use logic and evidence in their reasoning ) for a better understanding of the issues, and then take collective responsibility for the outcomes. As opposed to the divisive US v them scapegoating and bi-partisan finger pointing the current Capitalist Pyramid Scheme runs on. We need Government by People's Referenda, either through Mascot Candidates or Peaceful Occupation of the Capitals until one is established. Make it an annual March on Oct 14.

@den264

Ай бұрын

I was born in 1952 most probably a year before Iilan. I got into this issue by accident. I had been given a new Galaxy ipad for my fifty year birthday by my sons. Being a natural curious man I started asking questions on KZread and online. My inquiry was about the Federal reserve controversy, and the name Eustace Mullins came up. This led to his meeting with the American poet Ezra Pound, then Mullins started talking of the pushback he recieved from Jewish groups when he attempted to gain information on how and who set up the Federal reserve system. From that point I started asking questions about how jews in America became so powerful in politics etc. That was twenty years ago. What a journey it has been. If only the majority of Americans were half as curious as I am , the Zionists in America would have a much tougher gime controlling and manipulating our politicians.

@shamim621

Ай бұрын

​@@den264exactly 💯. The American people have been deliberately brainwashed on many issues.

KZread has been literally flooded with all manner of pro-Palestine commentary, analyses and discussions. However, very few if any of them compare to this discussion with legendary historian Prof. Ilan Pappe wherein the richness and historical depth of the information and analyses shared was extremely profound and rigorous. God bless you Brother Ilan. You are truly part of the Palestinian People. Also, a shout out and love from Palestine for our lovely and dear friends from Ireland!

🙏🏿 Humanity needs to "Stand and Fight".... 🙏🏿.... You cannot reason with "Evil".... WAKE UP 🙏🏿

@anniea7489

Ай бұрын

Exactly!! #FreePalastine 🇵🇸🍉❤️

@djolekoraja

Ай бұрын

Hej hej hej we are fighting 😂😂😂 I'm joking. But we in Serbia fighting for a long time and trying to tell you the truth about western lies ! Don't worry... people will be united and people must fight because they bringing the fight to us...we don't have excuses not to fight!!!

@tiggtiggs

Ай бұрын

Humanity is a practice, not just our species & the antidote to inhumanity. We must unify through our shared humanity & by expressing our inailiable right to exist, in peace with dignity, we shall collectively, render malevolent institutions & misanthropic ideologues, obsolete. Humanity v inhumanity. We all choose a side, it's a question of perception & matter of practice. We are what we practice & reap what we sow. Choose wisely & practice well.✌🧡

@mouhlisamir132

Ай бұрын

The fight is to unify people, which start by being well informed. The knowledge is a weapon. So many people died because of western lies. From Algeria, may the Serbian victims rest in peace.

Ilan Pappé is brilliant. Thank you for this interview.

Thanks for hosting Dr. Pappé!

Quite the visionary! Exceptionally prescient. ❤

What a Amazingly knowledgeable soul Dear Professor Pappe is, shockingly knowledgeable truly Amazing, with Compassion and kindness as a Bonus. Thankyou Ali, Nora and Professor Pappe.

Thank you , Ilan Pape for supporting the truth the genocide is going on in gaza and westbank of palestine. The truth will sat people free from any occupation around the world. Prof.God bless you and your family.

@noahstevens3060

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately the truth isn't enough. What freed the Irish? What freed the Libyans?

@omeridrees5433

Ай бұрын

@@noahstevens3060who said the Libyans are free?! Are you kidding??

@noahstevens3060

Ай бұрын

@@omeridrees5433 Sorry, I meant Algerians.

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

The genocide is from Hamas and ISIS, and you know this.

Thank you for a very balanced discussion on this genocidal situation, it's a breath of fresh justice, and I want to say thank you to brother Elan for his just and innocent and extremely honest point of view, he is a very honest person, and its sentiments like his and many others that will bring about this much needed change for humanity, Beautiful discussion, thank you

Greetings from Germany. I totally agree with you 🤍

We hear you professor. We will NOT STOP. We have been jolted into action and we cannot go back to sleep. We cannot allow the huge sacrifice of p@lestinian life to be in vain. We cannot let this go on. I for one will never stop until my last breath.

@Uncanny_Mountain

Ай бұрын

Govt by People's Referenda: Peaceful Occupation of our Capitals until it's installed, or run Mascot Candidates Make it an annual event on Oct 14 Or YOU can continue to ask why no one is doing anything *YOUR CALL*

@fun_ghoul

Ай бұрын

@@Uncanny_Mountain Sociopaths with nuclear weapons and secret torture cells are not gonna be defeated with a ballot box, you utopian child.

i just love electronic intifada. Have been reading for years, but now I'm locked into your KZread channel!! Thank goodness for all of your team's important work!!...and this particular conversation was just incredible.

@handsanitiser9832

Ай бұрын

I'm going to play this one on replay!!!! This needs to be shared far and wide!!!

Thank you so much to IIlan Pappe for telling the world the history of the Palistinian refugees in Gaza. Any assessment of the events of October 7 should include this. In my 20s over 50 years ago I was a volunteer in Kibbutz Nirim and Zikim and have fond memories of them. However I later married a Palestisn who was 3 years oldduring the Nackba. I know now what wonderful, hospitable and resilient are the Palistians

Thank you, to the 3 of you. Ilan is always amazing to listen to. So thankful.

I salute Ilan Pappe, I noticed he recently created a tik tok account as well, I believe it is to connect more with the younger generations!

Thank you all for your work.

Professor Pappe is essential,May God Bless your health, someone like you is indeed an asset to truth.Free Palestine.

So great Ilan, always deep integrity and courage. Thank you The Electronic Intifada!

Thanks for all your evidence and hard work

Thank you, Ilan, Noura, and Ali for a most important and clarifying discussion. I'd like to see this program reposted over and over. There is so much propaganda and flimsy thinking out there. This clearly explains a great deal...is an answer to propaganda and ivnorance.

Thank you to all of you. Another great discussion on such an important topic...

Excellent interview, and thank you for letting Ilan speak freely. So many interviewers interrupt the guest too often.

I love Ilan Pappé, listening to him is priceless! EI is a treasure!

we love Illan Pappe and Norman Finkelstein!

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

Two exceptionally twisted souls. Zionism the will of the Nation of Israel. Then you have these two sick individuals. Big deal.

@dcgallin

Ай бұрын

And Gideon levy and gabor mate

@johnbanach3875

Ай бұрын

Sixty years ago Vanessa Redgrave was considered such a radical for speaking up for the Palestinians.

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

​@johnbanach3875 did she endorse Hamas atrocities?

@fidelcatsro6948

Ай бұрын

@@allenmoses110 Hamas only came in 1989 it was created and funded by Israel

Always love listening to Ilan Pappe

I have immense respect and admiration for Prof. Pappe. The amount I have learned from him is incalculable.

PROF. Pappe. Such a wonderful man to listen to. May God bless him.

Thanks so much for the insights into what life was like before this disastrous project began. I've seen pictures of Gaza before 1948. A very beautiful and developed place.

@shamim621

Ай бұрын

Ooh yes it was so beautiful

@user-sk3me6qq1k

Ай бұрын

Before 1948 gazza was egytian land

Thank you for this intelligent commentary on this deeply painful subject.

SHAME ON BRUTALITY & INJUSTICE!

Thank you so much, from Cape Town South Africa, I am humbled to feel and see humanity being restored worldwide. Humansbeings, that's what we ALL are. Thank you💞

@nedimlim6523

Ай бұрын

🫱🏿‍🫲🏻🤝🏻🫱🏾‍🫲🏿 Beskrajno HVALA NARODIMA , VOÐAMA DRŽAVE 🇿🇦 SOUTH AFRICA, DRŽAVE NELSON MANDELE 🌍 🇵🇸 💞 🇲🇪🇧🇦🇦🇱🇷🇸🇸🇮🇲🇰🇭🇷✊🏿✊🏽✊🏻✊️

@nedimlim6523

Ай бұрын

..SLOBODA NIJE POTPUNA SVE DOK PALESTINSKI NAROD KOJI ŽIVI POD OKUPACIJOM I APARTHEIDOM NE BUDE SLOBODAN i DOK DRŽAVA PALESTINA NE BUDE SLOBODNA DRŽAVA .. ( NELSON MANDELA - Presjednik Države Južna Afrika )

Your work is of the most importance to promote peace. ✊️

So much respect to all

A huge challenge to liberate Palestine.... But it must be done. Thank you

@Uncanny_Mountain

Ай бұрын

Govt by People's Referenda: Peaceful Occupation of our Capitals until it's installed, or run Mascot Candidates Make it an annual event on Oct 14 Or YOU can continue to ask why no one is doing anything *YOUR CALL*

I read professor Pappe's books and admired his staggering scholarship and his deep commitment to humans high values and above all his intelligent insights in seeing the self-critique and in projecting it within the right side of history. Professor Pappe every homeland on earth is proud to be your homeland. From Syria and from lots of Syrians, we salute you! 'Free Palestine' is the duty of every human being on earth.

Thank you for this great conversation - I found it very enlightening

Thank you for sharing this conversation.

When I saw how ruthless the response was going to be after Oct. 7, I decided to download as many of the New Historian's books as I could afford, especially Ilan's books. Frankly, I'm surprised they're still being sold.

Great interview... Ilan Pappe is a treasure

Truth tellers❤

@jaimiemclaughlin3126

Ай бұрын

The truth hurts.

Why...did the World watch this for 75 years...and no one said this is Terribly Wrong.

@donnavorce8856

Ай бұрын

FRONT ROW, FULL COLOR, REAL TIME. No one is being fooled. This horror must be stopped by any means. Keep pressure on our leaders to stop this ongoing jennyside immediately. zio- nazees herding those people like poor cattle all over only to merk them when they try for food. Sickening.

@silkekoehlmann4188

Ай бұрын

Lebe in Germany und habe herausgefunden, dass unsere Geschichte von DENEN zu ihrem Nutzen geschrieben wurde UND unsere Politikmarionetten, die Interessenvertreter VON DENEN sind, inzenieren gegen die deutsche Bevölkerung einen Schuldkult und transferieren unser Steuergeld aus dem Land Richtung USA und Israel und Ukraine ! Zur Zeit versuchen DIE die Deutschen in den Krieg gegen Russland zu verwickeln um die ungelöste Deutsche Frage auf die Art zu erledigen!

@freemangriffin4953

Ай бұрын

People have been saying so for the past 76 years since 1948 - what is different is that there are far more of us saying it NOW - eyes have been opened. It has taken a long time for people to start seeing the patterns of manipulation from governments and media.

@shortmashins4031

Ай бұрын

Tiktok exposed Israel Nazi regime

@cynthialynne7

Ай бұрын

@freemangriffin4953 also, thanks to the internet and brave independent journalists we do not listen to Western media propaganda...we resesrch..and the face of apartide...Facist...colonization...racism...religious bias...and NW order manipulation..and many others is being exposed...education gives you the tools to find and seek the truth...and the courage to change the world.

Thank you for this opportunity to hear from Mr. Pappé. As an American, I’m sickened by the so-called “left” majority here that were so quick to jump to Ukraine’s aid, yet either vocally or by their deafening silence actively support the genocide. Please know that there are some of us who are trying to get the ideas presented here out to our people who have been propagandized so heavily.

@ianbeddowes5362

Ай бұрын

THe US 'left' is more imperialst than the right. Support for Ukraine is a support for Nazi supremacy.

FINALLY! Some semblance of SANITY!

Thank you professor and all the team! Saddened yet hopeful

🙏🏿🌹 YHVH...be with You!!! 🌹🙏🏿

Great reporting as always guys

Dr. Ilan Pappé is my lighthouse in the open sea when it comes to Palestine. Thank you Nora and Ali for organizing this session.

Great post, EI, congratulations🎉 Ilan Pape has used the right word for the end of apartheid Israel, implosion. That's exactly what happened to apartheid S Africa, and also oppressive Soviet Union, and other such regimes. And Israel is rushing headlong towards that, will crash perhaps earlier than we think. Who could have thought that the mighty USSR could simply collapse the way it did even a day before the fateful announcement by Gorbachev in December 1991?

@fun_ghoul

Ай бұрын

Smack talking the USSR as "oppressive" makes you look like an uneducated fool.

God bless everyone speaking out against Zionism and the evil state of Israel

@allenmoses110

Ай бұрын

Israel is the most moral country in yhe world.

Nora thank you for your deep deep questions in wich so much information pours through while still being a question. I love that from you it's brilliant ❤

Excellent interview, thank you.

Thank you for your continuation of giving the voice for the silenced. Respect to all the brave voices.

Prof. Ilan Pappé is absolutely brilliant, I can listen to him speak for hours. His insights are spot on, and he has an amazing ability to look at the big picture and where things are headed.

Can't imagine going through this period without such intellectuals giving their time to alternative media.

I feel the same. Heartbreaking!!😢

Thank you for another great program. Ilan Pappe is like one of those prophets from the Old Testament here for us in our own time.

Ilan, Ali, Nora, as always providing the truths of history to inform, educate and inspire. Ignorance can only be dispelled with knowledge. Information and knowledge empower everywhere because of your bearing witness and standing and speaking firm. Gratitude and prayers for your relentless struggle for Palestine's liberation from occupation.

Professor Ilan Pappe is a legendary, highly respected, and gifted ante-zionist Jewish Historian with encyclopedic knowledge about the 1947_1948 Palestinian people's Nakba caused by the zionist terrorist groups who have conducted several hundreds of massacres against innocent civilian Palestinians and the creation of Israel.It is a pity that the same plight in the form of genocide and ethnic cleansing is recurring in Gaza nowadays. Professor Pappe very much deserves the huge respect of the Palestinian people for his great courage in saying the truth, that the real victims in this region are the Palestinians(occupied) and not the Israelis (occupiers).I hope that a just and peaceful solution can be reached in the future where both Palestinian people(Moslems and Christians)can live peacefully with the Jewish people in this part of the world.

@estelle2223

Ай бұрын

Only someone like Anwar can call Ilan Pappe a legendary!

@estelle2223

Ай бұрын

Self hating jew!

Finkelstien quoted hats off for the houthies