If someone complains about "wokeness" in Doctor Who I truly wonder what they'd get out of the show as a whole.

Patrick Troughton destroyed Dr Who with his youth-orientated approach.

@robertcooper4th259

Сағат бұрын

No, the show died when Susan left, teenagers need examples of clingy childish behavior because it’s what they should be acting like

I am a 60 year old Classic Who fan, born in Derby, England. I have no wish to insult. Classic Who and I grew up together. You missed the best years to be a fan. No insult or condescension. Doctor Who isn't made for me now. I have moved on with my collection, which is here in Florida with me. You don't have to be a fan of what is to be a fan of what was. I am totally cool with that. We all have our time. I wish you all the best.

@Bman-dr8hx

29 күн бұрын

I just started my first time going through Classic Who, I only finished the, An unearthly child serial. It's hard to get use to the serial format. What I've seen in Classic it still to me seams the same as in New Who, and #NewNewWho and I don't dislike the now 3 eras of Doctor Who. I'm also like what's the point of going through Classic Who not because I don't like it, but because you can't see all of it with the missing episodes.

@Shawn4168

28 күн бұрын

Well said. Classic Who was before my time but I was a big fan of the series revival for a number of years. Started to lose interest early in the Capaldi era but every time we got a big change in the series I've watched for a bit again to see if I can regain my love for the show. I don't want to hate it, every time I watch I genuinely hope that I can love it as much as I used to, but I just can't. I love Jodie Whittaker, I love Ncuti Gatwa, I think that they've both done a fantastic job in the role, I just cannot get past the writing. Even the new Tennant episodes were a struggle for me and he was my favorite Doctor. I'm not going to sit and trash the show or demean anyone who does enjoy it, I'm just going to make peace with the fact that it's no longer the show that I loved and look back fondly on the years that it was.

@ChristyAbbey

26 күн бұрын

I'm 59, and it was for sure made for me. But everyone has their own thing, and that is way cool.

@dasmysteryman12

24 күн бұрын

I have to sincerely salute you, sir, because you managed to decide not to watch modern Doctor Who with maturity and acceptance. If only more people would act like you, people wouldn't have this kind of discourse.

@chrisgorton4577

24 күн бұрын

@@dasmysteryman12 Thank you for your kind words.

Can I recommend the Council Of Geeks. They are very critical of Doctor Who- but it CLEARLY comes from a place of love and Fandom. They have a lot of valid points to thier critique, many of which I often disagree with and that's why I watch. Because they are one of the only KZreadrs I see who are critical of Who were it doesn't come from close-minded bigotry. And I love it when I agree with them. Alternatively when I watch these hate channels and the anti-wokers say something that I might actually connect with or even agree with, I feel like I need a shower afterward.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

12 күн бұрын

That just makes you extremely childish. You hate agreeing with anti-woke people because you're too dense to see beyond your awful ideology. Have you ever tried not being a man-child? Or learning how to spell *Super?

@AtlasGuitar

12 күн бұрын

Totally second this recommendation. Probably the only channel I regularly watch regarding Doctor Who content. It's nice to be able to see someone discuss their own viewpoint while clearly being an actually intelligent person capable of recognizing nuance. To me, the real reason to watch or listen to what other people think about a piece of media is to be able to analyze - and therefore appreciate - that media from a new perspective, and you really don't get that from bigots pushing their "anti-woke" narrative for money.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

12 күн бұрын

@@AtlasGuitar Got to love pretentious simpletons like you lauding their non-existent intelligence.

@andrewsmart4491

11 күн бұрын

remember they are not the council, they merely chair the meetings 🙂

@NebLleb

5 күн бұрын

Dude. Council of Geeks is a mad raving Breadtuber. She's no better than the Anti-Woke.

Tom Baker is still the best Doctor for me. That guy made you believe he was otherworldly in his acting, and I love that. The long scarf is iconic too.

@bennichol1510

2 күн бұрын

Oh yeah you can't ignore the scarf

I don't mind those fans who drop off the show because they don't like it anymore. It happened part way through Smith's era. And then there was a bigger drop a series into Capaldi's era. The difference with those guys was, they dropped the show, and just forgot about it. These guys hate the show, and continue to watch and fuel their own hatred by getting others to join in on the hate. So bizarre.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

Yeah, how dare they be indignant that a show they once loved, and has been a big part of their lives, is being ruined by progressive stupidity. If you can't understand why they find it hard to quit then you're a bit dense.

@mahfuzurchowdhury2765

28 күн бұрын

@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255 they fuel their own cycle of hatred though. If it's a show they love, then they should know to be open about every new era and Doctor. Part of the whole show's identity is change. And if an era isn't for you (Smith and Whittaker for me) then just hold out and be open for the next one that comes along. That's if you "love it so much". These guys were hating and Whittaker before she was actually in the show - already calling the end before her first line! That is not a true fan, at least, not someone who has followed what the show has always promoted. And "progressive stupidity"? You say "progressive" as if it's an insult.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

28 күн бұрын

@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Progressive is an insult and they criticised the casting (and rightly so). They also criticised the advertising and all the quotes coming out from interviews. To try and pretend that they were blindly being negative is wholly dishonest.

@mahfuzurchowdhury2765

28 күн бұрын

@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255 yes, they "criticised" the casting, but for what reason? Just having the Doctor be woman, or the Doctor being black, does not automatically mean the show is now over. The Doctor's character is not inherently a white male. At least modern interpretations, there is no clear way to say "this" or "this isn't" the Doctor. Also, do you know what the word "progressive" means?

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

28 күн бұрын

@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Yes I know what progressive means, as in the political sense. They didn't just criticise the casting based on immutable characteristics. However, yes the Doctor should be a white male because that's how he was designed and he's rooted in the British identity and culture.

I do not mine people not liking Doctor Who. What I do Mind is that they say it's trash and say they are leaving the franchise, but after the next season airs there back trashing it again.

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe

29 күн бұрын

Literally. You only see hate comments under the new stuff.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

​@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe Yeah, because it's crap.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

People are allowed to keep up with it and criticise it. Most of these people are lifelong fans so of course they're going to find it hard to let go.

@parabot2

27 күн бұрын

I know people who test and review cars , good cars and bad cars it's their job . These youtube make a living reviewing Sci - Fi etc good and bad . Get it ? Got it ? OK .

@RobinTheMetaGod

25 күн бұрын

Their job is to review the bad.

I have noticed people are quick to jump on bad episodes and ignore good ones like Boom

@tenhayz1889

27 күн бұрын

They dont ignore it, they just take a few sentences out of context and cry about how woke it is, whatever woke means in their rotted brains, or nitpick things that they wouldnt criticize in "better" episodes

@Drekal684

9 күн бұрын

@@tenhayz1889 Prediction: A lot of people making criticism of the episode didn't actually take the time to watch it, just read or listened to a summary of the episode to get their talking points.

@bennichol1510

2 күн бұрын

​@@Drekal684yeah those videos are just cookie cutter videos to make you see one you see them all. Minority is on screen and they just cry about it like they are all just a pack of snowflakes

@RickReasonnz

Күн бұрын

Welcome to the internet, where negative criticism is the lifeblood of the nerd behind the videos!

@bennichol1510

23 сағат бұрын

@@RickReasonnz people need to get a grip

It's funny how these youtubers constantly preach "freedom of speech" but as soon as you criticise their channels its suddenly illegal! 😅

@TheArchieTheory

Ай бұрын

Hey, I watch your videos!

@IsaacWhittakerDakin

Ай бұрын

@@TheArchieTheory Thanks

@ogrimtodeshammer2739

Ай бұрын

What are you taking about?

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

Literally who has said it should be illegal to criticise them? If you progressives constantly have to lie then just admit you have no points.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

@MostlyBritish_Gaming Yeah, but points made against woke Doctor Who aren't wrong but keep making stuff up.

The BBC thought it was over when Colin Baker became The Doctor. 37 years later..........

@daviddreyton8586

28 күн бұрын

I mean I'm not totally disagreeing with you but considering his tenure only last 2 years and after his successor the show was cancelled for 16 of those 37 years, that's not really a good example.

@joylindadichamounix

28 күн бұрын

@@daviddreyton8586 Wokeness is fad. I am Gen-X. I watched The Tom Baker years with my Silent Generation Aunt. There are enough of us who want to straight, white Dr. (or black but not over the top). Sean Pertwee is an actor & looks like his Dad. Maybe someday..... I will watch the classics & cross my fingers.

@DriverHenryWho3245

9 күн бұрын

@@daviddreyton8586it's a lot more successful now though. It shows Doccy Who probably just needed a big break.

Heelsbabyface is an awful person

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

based

I'm kinda curious now as to who you think the best Whovian reactors are on the platform.

Your opinions are factually correct. I pronounce it to be thus. Oh, except the bit about not liking Series 11 and 12. It's harder to enjoy them, but there's good stuff in there if you focus your mind on it.

I quite like your views on Doctor Who. It seems like it lines up with my views on the show too. Would love to see more Doctor Who videos from you.

Love the vidyah, feel like we don’t see much folks finally criticise these lot. Which is good to see a bit of a rise against these hateful voices. Subscribed!:)

Disappointed I didn't make the list

I can't believe that it's almost a decade since Thirteen's era began.

@dark_ops1651

23 күн бұрын

what are you talking about, it hasnt even been 6 years yet

@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

23 күн бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 that’s why I said almost 😉 And hasn’t it been 7 years already since 2017? 2024 - 2017 = 7

@dark_ops1651

23 күн бұрын

@@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o Well I thought you meant the beginning of S11 which was October 2018 I think. But either way, Twice Upon A Time was a christmas special so literally a week away from 2018. It hasn’t been even 7 years from any metric.

@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

23 күн бұрын

@@dark_ops1651 oops, sorry. My mistake, then ☺️

@dark_ops1651

22 күн бұрын

@@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o It's no problem, I don't know why I was being so annoying about it 😭

You are spot on about Boles trek (I've seen the odd bit of Nerd rotic and I'm not really familiar with the others). He doesn't review , just rants , and clearly it panders to an audience. It's interesting to see that his early videos are nothing like this, he clearly hit on shouting the loudest about "wokery" and found it got him a following. Personally I wasn't a fan of Jodie's run , but not because it was "woke", and I did commengt a few times on his channel but he revealed his hand in his non-review of Demons of the Punjab where he admitted he hadn't properly watched it, misinterpreted what it was about regardless, and then started spouting racist conspiracy theories. He's a grifter, he isn't worth bothering with.

@liliaeth

3 күн бұрын

The problem with Jodie's run was Chibnail. I loved her as the Doctor, she did a great job in how she portrayed the character. It's just a pity that the writing for her era was some of the worst writing Doctor Who has had since the show returned. The problem is that a lot of ... people blame it on her, when chibnail would have been just as bad with any other actor, regardless of gender, playing the Doctor.

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

@@liliaeth You do know Chibnall was basically being railroaded by BBC higher ups, right?

@liliaeth

20 сағат бұрын

@@404TVfr how's that when his writing was just boring?

Thankyou for making this video. Some of these comments are awful, but you keep it up lad.

Not sure why this video was recommended to me, but you seem a really likeable guy. I used to love Doctor Who but only made it 20 minutes into her first episode. Adults using the word "fam" bit of a eye roll turn off. Saw the trailer of the new Doctor but the passion is gone, don't think it is for me so not watched any

I was literally calling out every one of those KZreadrs before you said them! I agree 100%. I’ve been a fan of Doctor Who since the 70s and I’m an American. Do I like all the new episodes? No. But the show has to attract new audience to survive. It is not “my show“, so I enjoy the episodes that I enjoy, and the ones that I don’t I scratch off my rewatch list.

Funny how as soon as you make a video like this, fans of those channels you dislike magically appear to tell you you're wrong. it's almost like they're being told to.

@JoeTheUberGeek

Ай бұрын

or there is this thing called KZread recommendations... just a thought.

@TheGerkuman

Ай бұрын

@@JoeTheUberGeek I can see that accounting for some of it, but there's so much doctor who content out there. Unless you're saying that nerdrotic and bowlstrek fans are being recommended the video because they're mentioned, and if that's true, then the algorithm needs tweaking.

@mw56101

Ай бұрын

KZread suggested this to me so it probably does need tweaking

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

How dare people disagree with you. Please grow up.

@bennichol1510

2 күн бұрын

​@@JoeTheUberGeektbh both of those are true

Hey! How come I'M not on the list? :P

I did not the like the Space Babies and liked Devil's Chord but saying Doctor Who is dead is taking it too far. These people are dismissing people who do like it by saying they are not real fans. Is it wrong to like the new Doctor Who. Aside from the Space Babies, I have been liking the new era.

@tenhayz1889

27 күн бұрын

I agree Space Babies was not great, I think it worked okayish, but Devil's Chord was pretty cool Imo, I love the performance from Jinkx. Boom is even better and 73 yards might be a new classic if RTD is right

@Prince__Teclis

19 күн бұрын

I consider people that say Doctor who is dead the same I do as people that say Jesus is returning soon. They've been saying it so long and yet nothing.

@AndrewHalliwell

9 күн бұрын

I've liked all the new new era, so far. And guess what? I started with Pertwee and Sarah Jane Smith. Anyone who says I'm not a true fan can fuck off. (Yes, I hated Chibnall's Era. His advice to Jodie to not watch any previous doctors was a huge fuckup too, but it's his writing that was the worst part. She might've been good without him in charge)

@bennichol1510

2 күн бұрын

​@@AndrewHalliwellyeah Jodie is a great actress but the writing let her down with that one

Bowlestrek's really early, early videos were actually pretty good because he just talked about his love of Doctor Who. DVDs. The Episodes. The actors. And, most importantly, not many views. Then Jodie Whittaker came along and everything changed for Bowlestrek who turned out to be the biggest bigot in the universe. With, sadly, tons of views from narrow-minded tools.

"still pulls in impressive viewing figures" That aged well

I occasionally watch some of the videos from these sorts of creators and find them a hilarious watch tbh. great video, man!

It takes a lot to admit that your views in the past were wrong. Something these KZreadrs will never do. Hopefully the saddos won't harass you for this video. And if they do, who cares what they think! You're a likeable person who isnt a hateful weirdo, they're just jealous.

@MidnightChimey

10 күн бұрын

The thing is they literally can't admit to being wrong, ever, even if they wanted to. Their audience is an outrage train that needs to keep being given fuel, and if they stopped or had a moment of introspection even for just one second, they would lose their audience.

I just hate how a lot of people are rage baiting for the views. A lot of these people couldn’t care less about the show and just want people giving them views. I also hate how these videos are making normal people not want to watch the show. A lot of people will hear “doctor who is bad now” and just accept it as a fact.

@allenrhys844

17 күн бұрын

Just like this video. His bigotry is showing.

On the flipside, we have another great Doctor Who KZreadr out there: MrTardis, who, beyond doing some great takes on various Doctor Who media, also has fun reacting to terrible Doctor Who KZreadrs. I wonder if you'd be willing to share a livestream together?

@movierewind2017

Ай бұрын

I would never turn down the opportunity to do a livestream with Mr TARDIS!!

@davidblyth6886

Ай бұрын

​​@@movierewind2017trilbe is controlled opposition and an insincere grifter who praises eveything

@Divasdinosaursanddemons

22 күн бұрын

Mr Tardis tried to smear someone as a pedophile and frequently lies and is a hypocrite.

@Trev359

16 күн бұрын

IMO MrTardis is one of the worst youtubers of all.

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

@@Trev359 Take that L and spend it on some copium

I would love to know who watches Doctor Who for the political content. I never did. If I want politics I will watch the news programmes. I want escapism and always got it until now. I am old enough to have watched from the beginning, and no one watched for the politics, if it was political, we missed that as young children, and rightly so. I am glad you began with the words ‘this is my opinion only’, and now you have mine.

Honestly thank you so much for addressing this! I have only started watching Doctor Who in 2017 with series 5 (Now I've seen all of NuWho and Classic Who seasons 1-14) And yes, I might be the minority that actually didn't mind the 13th Doctor's era. I don't think it's the best, not at all (Orphan 55 amirite?). But I had fun while watching it regardless! And constantly being called insults on the internet (woke idiot, fake fan etc.) just.. felt bad. I've grown up since then and stopped taking things like that to heart. I just really wish I didn't keep going to god damn Nerdrotic for a review and then feeling like shit afterwards. Either way, I would like to highlight the channels Council of Geeks, WhoCulture and the Confused Adipose. I don't always agree with everything they say, but they never made me feel like shit for liking something XD And they generally stray to the positive, which I just prefer to come back to!

I am a long-time Whovian. Doctor Who is my favourite TV show and it's one of the reasons why I love fantasy and science fiction in general. David Tennant is my favourite Doctor Who and Karen Gillan is my favourite companion, and my favourite aliens/robots are the Cybermen, and I also like the Ood. When Jodie Whittaker was announced as The Doctor back in 2017, I was so mixed on it. My concerns about The Doctor becoming a woman were that it may not work and that it could ruin Doctor Who. The Jodie Whittaker/Chris Chibnall of Doctor Who was terrible. Jodie Whittaker was the worst Doctor Who ever. She really didn't suit the role and the 13th Doctor was poorly written. All of Jodie Whittaker's episodes apart from Power of the Doctor were so bad. The Timeless Children was without a doubt, the worst ever episode of Doctor Who. Because of it, I passed on Series 13. I recently watched all the 60th anniversary specials and I enjoyed them. The Star Beast was good, not great. Wild Blue Yonder was great. The Giggle was good, and The Church on Ruby Road was surprisingly good. Ncuti Gatwa so far hasn't been too bad as The Doctor, and he has great chemistry with Millie Gibson. When I first heard about Ncuti Gatwa, I thought he could bring something new to Doctor Who. Doctor Who is a TV show that's not for everyone and maybe there are KZreadrs and people who really don't understand Doctor Who and have to go be negative about it. People are entitled to their own opinion. If you don't like Doctor Who, then don't watch it. Not fair for them to go and call people and fans of Doctor Who "idiots". I am giving new Doctor Ncuti Gatwa a fair chance. Is Doctor Who a show that is worth still worthing? Best watch the new series of Doctor Who on Disney+ and decide for yourself.

SO glad you're bringing this up. These negative reviews are spoiling everyone's enjoyment of the show. The new season has been written off by so many and not an episode has been broadcast!!! These arseholes need to just be quiet. I've been a viewer since 63 and I'm loving the change. If you don't like Russell's writing don't tune in. Simple! Enjoy episodes 1 and 2.

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

How are these negative reviews spoiling everyone;s enjoyment of the show? Are you serious? Surely the relentless shoehorning into it of dangerous propaganda and ideology is what's ruining everyone's enjoyment of the programme?

@sebastianimation6100

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i "dangerous propaganda and ideology" you seem like the kind of person to shoot themselves in the foot and blame others for it

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

@@sebastianimation6100 Odd thing to say. Made no sense at all. Try harder.

@90sArchive

Ай бұрын

​@@user-un9go4qe5iOf course you don't understand their comment. A caveman has more going on in their head than you 💀

@quantumvideoscz2052

Ай бұрын

"Criticism must be quiet!" Fascist much?

I'm curious about the D+ viewing figures

Being negative about something is the easiest and lazinest thing to do.

@Nine1215

Ай бұрын

@@magellanthecat Get lost, hater

@cheapfinish6224

Ай бұрын

@@magellanthecat You listen to Big Finish, so you should know. They peaked back in the 2000s

@jeremyallen5974

Ай бұрын

That explains why the idiots who make this trash always resort to screaming ist words at people for having the audacity to say the show is dumb because the writing is straight up garbage

@hinkelstein69

28 күн бұрын

which is why this is a video about the "worst dr who youtubers"

Can you add me to the list next time you do one of these? Pretty pwease? 🥺

Nerdrotic says Doctor Who is imposing it's political agenda onto its viewers, saying thats wrong, before promptly doing it himself. His genuine belief in his own hypocrisy is just a joke.

@Ostermond

Ай бұрын

He and the rest of those “Fandom Menace” types are a genuine plague with their bullshit “culture war”.

@simonrodgers2375

Ай бұрын

Difference being Nerdrotics is Nerdrotics, you know what to expect. Doctor Who though has changed over the years and is clearly trying to groom children with over sexualised material.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

He never said it's wrong, just that he disagrees with the progressive nonsense and that the writing and everything else is suffering, which it is. Please be honest.

@jonylawson73

28 күн бұрын

He is Incredibly funny and witty tho

@IsaacWhittakerDakin

20 күн бұрын

​@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255 What is wrong with being progressive?

Wait… we are allowed personal opinions?

Thanks for mentioning the first KZreadr that you mentioned.

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

A guy who worked in the film industry and had his own comic shop... so basically someone who knows what he's talking about. No wonder you don't like him! LOL

@sebastianimation6100

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i He's also a guy who sold drugs to children, his pure ignorance about everything he talks about it one of the least problematic things he does

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

@@sebastianimation6100 LOL. Yeah, whatever. Try again.

@sebastianimation6100

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i Look up "Nerdrotic Meth", though i doubt you'd be able to understand why it's a bad thing

@90sArchive

Ай бұрын

​@@user-un9go4qe5iNerdrotic is literally comic book guy from The Simpsons except he isn't fat.

no idea why i was recommended this (never really got into dw) or why i watched it in full but good on you for calling these people out. really sorry your comments are filled with pretty hateful people

It's always nice to meet a fan 👍

I didnt enjoy jodies erra, but i beleived she could of been a great doctor, but chriss chibnal went too big storywise and fell too far. He didnt develop the companions well or the doctor well. They gave the show to someone who writes filler episodes. There were episodes i liked. Paraxius and rosa.

I never understand people going on about DW being woke, sci-fi is inherently progressive and political as a genre and you will struggle to find many pieces of sci-fi media that don't have some political leaning

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe

29 күн бұрын

They were literally talking about feminism in the 3rd Doctor era lol.

@theunknowncommenter725

27 күн бұрын

THE MESSAGE is being pushed at the expense of good storytelling.

@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

27 күн бұрын

I mean, just look at War of the Worlds, Brave New World, 1984! These three classics of sci-fi alone are some of the most political ones out there! Then we have Star Trek that has always been political, as has Doctor Who! Star Wars was inspired by an anti-Vietnam-war sentiment!

@raiblast

27 күн бұрын

@@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o War of the wolds was written in the 1800s...it actually sparked a lot of scientific discoveries trying to match technology it described. Our cell phones were given rudimentary form. It was also suddenly aired on radio broadcast like actual news and people thought it was real. This was small scale, but it also shows you how involved people can get in a story. Doctor Who since Jodi has...bitched about doing stupid shit that anyone could of saw coming, berating half of the population, targeting the very people who make the show possible, discrediting the entirity of the franchise up until Jodi's era, and just saying "FU Males! Also, our mega queen was a male, but she's better cuz she's no longer a male." I think i see a difference in story telling.

@Lia-zw1ls7tz7o

27 күн бұрын

@@raiblast How small-minded must you be to view the sheer presence of a female lead to mean „FU males!“??? Yes, Jodie’s era does have flaws but it’s definitely not having a female lead. And what is that „stupid shit that anyone could of saw coming“? Also, targeting the very people who make this show possible? Who’s that supposed to be? Men? You do realize the hat there are plenty of women involved in the production, right?

yeah i noticed a trend of Anti Dr Who, like each video thumb nail is like doom and gloom, and how terrible it is, but nice to find channels that are more positive...i mean there is critizing a moment, and just crapping anything, just trying to find something to focus on, the one thing that only proves the series is on a decline or is preachy, or whatever. The real fans will watch cause they like it...and may not like every episode but still watch it. Like when Doctor 13 came about, called it woke, despite it was long established earlier the Doctor could loook like anyone, even have two head or no head. and 11th's reaction after changing, he thought he was a girl at one moment

I hope you do not mind but part of your very balanced, honest and reflective post really struck a chord with me I so strongly agree with. Not only in context of DW but all aspects of human daily life. Thank you for you video. It is superb. Transcript section... 12:08 you know and that's what I don't 12:10 understand fair enough there are genuine 12:13 people out there in the Doctor Who 12:15 Community who if you did not like the 12:17 jod whiter era which I did not you are 12:20 called racist and sexist but the same 12:23 time there are other people in the 12:26 Doctor Who Community who believe that if 12:29 you do enjoy certain elements of Doctor 12:31 Who then you are woke and you're not a 12:34 true fan and I just think that all of 12:36 this toxicity surrounding the show needs 12:40 to stop we need to start respecting each 12:42 other's opinions Spot on. I did not like Chibnall's era for lots of reasons none of which had to do with a female Doctor. The dialogue from Rose and Donna at the end of the Star Beast was imo a double standard. Yet these are just opinions and the latter just on a two minute section of an episode. I may or may not enjoy the new era. After all we do age and throughout our lives we have our favourite moments and that can include tv shows. Those who enjoy this new era may not like DW if it is screening in another thirty years. To use my favourite line in DW from my personal favourite Doctor, '...."We are all different people all through our lives, and that's okay, that's good. You've got to keep moving so long as you remember all the people that you used to be.' Yet moving forward does not mean you have to like everything but equally one has to accept change and that for others it is a blessing.

@gavkenny

Ай бұрын

Agreed. I did not like much of the 13th Doctor's time in the Tardis as I really don't like Chris Chibnall's writing, but it doesn't mean I will go and make pictures on thumbnails of videos with Jodie and googly eyes and continuously call her 'The first female Doctor' in an ironic way. Honestly as soon as I see a Dr Who channel with Woke in its title or 'The Message' I know not to look at it.

@triplejazzmusicisall1883

Ай бұрын

@@gavkennyI completely share your opinion. Cheers.

Haven't they just stopped with the show very recently or is that just me?

None of these people pretend or don't know how TV figures work. The broadcast and iPlayer might be down, but it was still the 4th most watch on the first Saturday, so a lot of programmes except Eurovision must have had lower numbers.

don't be gaslit into thinking everything you said in this wasn't a totally normal response to the videos you've seen. Most people have the same response to the youtubers that you pointed out

I hated the Jodi era for the most part , with a few episodes that were good but so far I am loving the new episodes

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

The new episodes are crap. Are you mentally challenged?

I watched this expecting to see my channel here!😆

I'm all for criticism but being negative for negative's sake is just wrong.

@TomoBakerinio

Ай бұрын

They are just negative for the sake of it because they know their fans will watch them and it's so easy to hate on something for the sake of it.

@williamhowe1

Ай бұрын

@@TomoBakerinio And there's the "almighty" algorithm to keep in mind.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

​@@TomoBakerinio No, they're negative because of how crap Doctor Who is now. Have you ever bothered to watch their videos? Who am I kidding, a progressive challenging their delusions...

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

@@sopronunciareglignocchi7255 dork

oh, and this isnt just a Doctor Who thing, they put the anti-woke on movies,,, movie has a strong female lead....woke. Now I dio think, some studios do things like race and /or gender swapping characters, that I do find annoying, but I can also be ok with it if it doesnt change the story, or like with Spiderman and Miles....Miles and Peter Parker are two different characters from two seperate worlds.

Trouble with the Doctor Who fandom these days is a title such as this could be a video made by raging bigots who can't tolerate ordinary fans enjoying the show - or it could be a fair critique of raging bigots! Glad I risked clicking the link!

@RobinTheMetaGod

25 күн бұрын

The complaints are valid.

Glad I don’t watch any of these people. They only care about the views not whether Doctor Who is actually good or not.

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

Just like RTD then! LOL

@mekonta

Ай бұрын

So basically they care about DW when it’s not good. That seems a fair assessment.

@rogvortex58

Ай бұрын

@@mekonta “not good” is a matter of perspective.

@darrenbradleytwin

Ай бұрын

@@mekonta ''Good'' is also a matter of perspective.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

You progressives really hate having your stupidity challenged, don't you?

Every. Single. One. Of these anti-woke channels are the cancer of youtube. And I dont like either side, but my reasoning isnt for any political stance or social stance. I just find it freaking annoying. Its constant bickering and complaining. Then they go and review bomb shit with the same "the message" quote. And i'm sick of seeing that comment every single effing time. It ruins entertainment. People are not allowed to enjoy it, cause they butt into everything. They are the exact same thing they claim to be against.

@dasmysteryman12

Ай бұрын

This comment 💯

@dasmysteryman12

Ай бұрын

What’s worse is that some of them will do the same thing to shows like the new Fallout series that aren’t even explicitly “woke”, and their only enjoyment comes from hating something unreasonably.

@HolsovanUltimate

Ай бұрын

@@dasmysteryman12 You wanna know the funny thing about that. Some of them did that weeks before the launch. And once the series released, they completely 180'd and posted praise about it like they didnt just bash it for several weeks. Complete tools.

@NebLleb

Ай бұрын

As someone who fell victim to their grift... Anti-SJWs are their own worst enemy. END OF.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

So they're cancerous because they share a negative opinion of it? Are you brain-dead? All they do is criticise things they don't like and explain why - they don't orchestrate review bombings as you've just lied. They merely show the ratings as proof that their opinions aren't solitary.

He hates everything apparently a fan

I’d have to recommend dwfan91 for his good-faith discussions, fair and reasoned criticisms, and general good vibes.

You forgot Rabbi and a certain Irishman. The former in particular is I think the worst out there.

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

Why? Because he/they tell the truth? Actually, along with Nerdrotic and Type40, they are the best. Honest instead of just toeing the woke, rainbow, hate-mob line. Too many phony fans out there who only watch it because the Doctor is gay, black, trans, or a woman.

@chrispalmer7893

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i You really need to stop equating "truth" with "shit you agree with". Not remotely the same thing. And as for "hate-mob" - it's the anti-woke idiots that start from the incredibly disrespectful point of assuming that people who disagree with them don't really think or believe what they claim to think or believe. I'm more than happy to assume that you're every bit the ignorant bigot you present yourself as.

@granvillesimmons6033

Ай бұрын

That "rabbi" is a foul-mouthed Nazi. Not much of a holy man.

@RobloxDoctorWhoNexus

Ай бұрын

​@@user-un9go4qe5i I was wondering why you were mindlessly defending the youtubers. You're clrarly ahuge bigot. Just admit youre a neo-nazi.

@mattthesilent777RED

Ай бұрын

Rabbi Tzvi Lebetkin? I got booted out for hating on his thumbnails. I share his most of his opinions but I'm liberal and even a radical compared to him

Some of these guys are so sensitive they send their minions into the comments to harass you lol why are people who think they are part of the 'superior race' so sensitive?

My dad's never kept up with Dr Who as such. I showed him a trailer for the Ncuti series, his eyes widened and he said "I'm watching that! When does it start?!" ...HE'S 89 ffs!

@HishamA.N_Comicbroe

29 күн бұрын

Based.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

​@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe More like low IQ.

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

Your dad either has mental problems or this is a lie.

I love the new episodes. What do you think of boom?

there certainly are plenty to choose from

I'm gonna be honest Doctor Who died for me when I saw Jodie Whittakers episodes (Maybe it already begun in Capaldis last season), and no, it was not because of her. I hated the timeless child and it's just another thing which just makes no sense for me, just like the war doctor. I don't understand how some fans actually liking and support this stuff. It just makes the character more and more unnecessarily complicated. Someone, I think it was RTD already said it was difficult to write for Doctor who because the doctor is always the smartest person in the room and knows everything. If I'm looking at the early episodes of classic who that wasn't the case at all. The Doctor was usually just as smart as his companions and most of the questions like "Why he left his home planet" got more simple answers like "He was bored and wanted to explore the universe". Now he is basically became space jesus since David Tennant. The new showrunners ruined Doctor Who. Right now I'm just disappointed with what they're doing with this show. They could do so many things with the show, but instead they always repeat everything.

Thanks for calling out some of these terrible people

@sopronunciareglignocchi7255

29 күн бұрын

Follows Noah Samsen, thinks other people are terrible. Grow up you sadcase.

@theunknowncommenter725

26 күн бұрын

None of these people are terrible. That's a funny way of defending the terrible people who are actually ruining Doctor Who.

@phlippy

26 күн бұрын

@@theunknowncommenter725 nobody's ruining DW. And in my mind, exploiting discrimination for clicks and views makes you a terrible person.

@RobinTheMetaGod

25 күн бұрын

You are the reason modern media is bad.

Great video, deserves loads more views.

Great video and don’t let the hate get to you.

New Who isn't for me but if you like it then I'm happy for you.

0:30 ...or Season 40

It's just a grift ‐ there are more views and money in being negative than positive. I don't think (m)any of them actually think the things they say. I certainly hope that they don't!

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

They're not really being negative though... just honest.

@RobloxDoctorWhoNexus

Ай бұрын

They are, youre obviously a fan of em...​@user-un9go4qe5i

@spex76

Ай бұрын

Is that your excuse because those people are more popular? Perhaps it's because they're telling the truth and not simping for narcissistic perpetual victims. Yeah we know, everyone's an IST and a PHOBE! Welcome to Leftist BizarroWorld 🤡

@zocialix

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i Honest about what smart-ass?

@CardiffOneOne

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i Honest?? Get real, these boneheads don't know the meaning of the word.

Love the video but you need a better intro mate lmfao 😅

I'll be honest, I'm not the hugest fan of the recent episodes, but people acting like it's the anti-Christ is just stupid. Ncuti needs a bit of time, that's it. So far, I'm all right with it. It's a bit cringe at times, like the Beetles dance number, but Mystro was a great villain. You also shouldn't be insulted just for liking these new episodes. It's just TV, the right-wing love propagating the idea of propaganda whilst loving to enforce their ideas in their work, (literally look at anything made by Daily Wire.) You can't write something without some kind of political bias, and societal cultural differences.

Thanks for this. I can't understand spending your life this miserable, and trying to make others as unhappy as they are.

@rnw2739

Ай бұрын

We aren't the ones deliberately setting out to destroy quality and beloved TV shows..... thats you people.

@pandaphil

Ай бұрын

@@rnw2739The best to to kill a tv show is to keep doing the same thing over and over.. Can't keep living in the past little fella.

@rnw2739

Ай бұрын

@pandaphil Dr Who never did the same thing over and over again, senile little man.

@pandaphil

Ай бұрын

@@rnw2739 Who's "you people"?

I clicked on this video by chance and I have to say I agree with everything you say. I've only heard of Nerdrotick however it's spelt. I would have included the Rabbi to be honest. I'm a trans woman and I know plenty of people out there hate everything about me (and they're entitled to their views), but as great as it was to have recognition and representation I think the trans element in the 60th specials were a bit clumsy and over the top. I don't enjoy the Chibnall era but it's not because of Jodie, it came down to the writing for me. When Ncuti was announced I checked out Sex Education and for a supporting actor he stole every scene, I'm overjoyed that he's the Doctor because he's a fantastic actor.

The mor u point ( single out) racist tha mor u become seen az…

Admittedly the Star beast was pretty bad. And in all fairness 2023s Christmas special has been rated by critics and fans as one of the worst Christmas special’s in the shows history. The ratings just aren’t good at the moment. They are better than the chibnal eras ratings, but that’s not really saying anything.

@barryhomeowner9293

Ай бұрын

I'd put it top 50%, easily

@Ibalistic_hedge

Ай бұрын

@barryhomeowner9293 that’s great and I didn’t think it was awful however, the majority didn’t like it and I can see why.

@idle_speculation

Күн бұрын

The Chibnall era’s ratings are pretty consistent with other seasons of New Who. Just compare series 11 with series 1, 5, or 8.

Thanks for calling out these bigots. It's not a fair argument if you just make antisemitic or racist or transphobic or homophobic comments the entire time.

You forgot votesaxon07

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

Content was good, guy turned out to be weird. Not the same thing.

A have a ton of writing criticisms for the show, and I think it died in 2017, but I don’t really care too much for the “woke” stuff. My criticisms all lie in the writing and the scripts etc. it annoys me that people that only complain about the wokeness get in the way of any actual substantive criticism.

@barryhomeowner9293

Ай бұрын

And you manage to hold that opinion without going "RIP DOCTOR WHO IT'S GONE WOKE NOW THEY GOT TRANS PEOPLE" every 5 minutes on instagram, presumably, something that seems to elude these fuckers

@TomoBakerinio

Ай бұрын

It did not die in 2017 when Whittaker took over. In fact, the first episode of Series 11 attracted 8M overnight figures and got to consolidated ratings of 10.96M views. I mean yes, it was slowly dropping episode to episode but they were still the highest since 2013/14. Realistically, the show "died" (dropping figures even more) in 2020.

@bananess_

Ай бұрын

@@TomoBakerinio personally for me, it dies when the writing quality is bad, not when less people are watching.

Will of the fans is one I found I dislike too

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

Will of the fans is just... a creep.

The viewing figures had nothing to do with race. The main complaint that is deterring viewers is the writing.

Guys, if you agree with him, make sure to like this video!

Oh and the figures in 1979 City of Death 14.5 million and new who's last episode 2.2 million. Really its not wokism thats killing Dr Who its poor writing and dialogue. Really its why when you look to Transformers the movie 1986 its memorable and has characters you care about in comparison Transformers rise of the beasts has nothing memorable and the bloated use of CGI makes it look as bad the Michael bay visual diarrhea as all but stand out bumblebee movie have the same terrible dialogue and nonsensical plots. Really not since Matt Smith has Dr Who looked good or had a clear sense of self and especially now we have Disney Who it looks as Tedious as Secret Invasion with Stilted Dialogue like Echo.

You seem like a nice person

If they have come to despise Doctor Who, I wish they would just go watch some old Roseanne reruns while listening to Horst Wessel Lied, and leave the rest of us to enjoy the new series.

@CaptDingDong

Ай бұрын

The problem with that idea is that for 10 years now and counting, we can't go on to watch ANY other show without the wokesters running over to hijack those programs, too. If you like DEI saturated ideological media, fine, just don't ask the rest of us to.

@spex76

Ай бұрын

If all the KZreadrs that you're so dismissive off left, the show would have virtually no one watching. You'd be crying for them to come back. 🤡

@granvillesimmons6033

Ай бұрын

@@spex76 Not according to a number of major publications in Great Britain, and not according to Disney's viewership numbers. If you hate Doctor Who now ( if you ever were actually a fan, as a great many posting the nastiest comments on KZread are not at all.....and a number of them have even admitted it), then go watch the Roseanne reruns. Let the rest of us enjoy the new series.

@spex76

Ай бұрын

@@granvillesimmons6033 The gaslighting is strong with you, my disingenuous little friend.

@spex76

Ай бұрын

@@granvillesimmons6033 You could throw some ISTs and PHOBES along with that Roseanne comment and really get some mileage out of it. It looks very copy and paste at the moment. Whatever you decide, enjoy the show since you're a real fan. 😉

I really don't think their fans to begin with. Not in the your different so you aren't a true fan, but in the I've seen your content enough and seen people who actually enjoy the show or know what their talking about to see you don’t actually care enough to be a fan of the show. You're only talking about it because its becoming more present in media again and too many people keep giving you the benefit of the doubt. Playing on one of the fundamental teachings of the show itself inorder to get away with it, then go convince people who are openly trusting to just warp them until they become the opposite of what they enjoyed so much in the first place. Open brainwashing through sheer hate. These 'creators' are daleks with cybermen worth ethics.

@user-un9go4qe5i

Ай бұрын

The real fans are the ones upset at the way the programme is being used as a pawn in a silly little game. Surely that's obvious...?

@GrabAStackofRocK

Ай бұрын

@@user-un9go4qe5i you could always watch Duck Dynasty instead.

@RobloxDoctorWhoNexus

Ай бұрын

​@user-un9go4qe5i No, the real fans are people who don't discriminate. Now how back o fox news and Facebook you wrinkly sack of bigotry.

@DJ-LD

Ай бұрын

Yes? Are you implying that the people he's talking about aren't the ones fueling the 'silly little game' by making stuff up and being openly hateful about everything and just using doctor who or marvel as labels rather than actual criticism on those two things.

@90sArchive

Ай бұрын

​@@user-un9go4qe5iThe real fans aren't bigoted creeps

1: all of them

PS these channels do damage to the show as production teams have possibly seen.or been.made.aware and feeding falsely in to the future of the show

I don't mind Nerdrotic. But fair opinion

For someone who's been making TONS of videos for 6 years, 457 subs is... tiny. Why do you think people subs a lot more to the channels you so despise?

@mattthesilent777RED

Ай бұрын

I've been around for less time and have 773 subs

@90sArchive

Ай бұрын

So just like those KZreadrs, you've fixated on stats instead of actual criticisms. There's a plethora of reasons why someone could have less subscribers. And not all of those reasons are down to quality. Those channels have loads of subs because they're grifters who lie and deceive to captivate an audience of far right psychos.

@quantumvideoscz2052

Ай бұрын

@@90sArchive "Person disagrees with me, must be grifter." I am genuinely disgusted by the complete and utter ignorance of what those people are actually saying.

@90sArchive

Ай бұрын

@@quantumvideoscz2052 Don't put words in my mouth. There are plenty of channels I disagree with that aren't grifters. Shame you've fallen for their tricks.

@90sArchive

Ай бұрын

@@quantumvideoscz2052 The bottom line is these people aren't experts. They have no understanding of how the entertainment industry works. Nor do they have a basic understanding of stats and how to correctly interpret them. They've been saying the same thing for almost ten years now, if there was any weight in what they say, the show would've been cancelled long ago. People who actually know what they're doing, clearly disagree with them.

I agree with you 100% on these toxic KZreadrs. Particularly the vile content spewed by Nerdrotic and Bowelstreak. It’s all about click baiting and appealing to the lowest common denominator. I recently stopped following a contributor simply because they invited Nerdrotic on their show. They won’t miss me, but if everyone stuck to their principles and did the same, they’d notice! My message is don’t even click on a contributor with whom you fundamentally disagree otherwise you’re giving them what they crave - attention! 💙➕🔷

@theunknowncommenter725

27 күн бұрын

Neither of those guys are toxic. They just prefer to be honest and funny.

@404TVfr

22 сағат бұрын

@@theunknowncommenter725 They're not funny, they're gaslighting their audience, and they objectively are being toxic.

I have that same poster haha

spot on mate

Thanks for the list. I'll check out the ones I've missed and give them a subscribe.

Great vid

Back in the Jon Pertwee we did have the character of Alpha Centauri

@rnw2739

Ай бұрын

That feeble claim is laughable. Never once did Alpha Centauri pull anyone up about misgendering him and you know it. Continue with your gaslighting.

@zocialix

Ай бұрын

@@rnw2739 That's not gas-lighting.

@mekonta

Ай бұрын

@@rnw2739 Agreed. Jo unknowingly _gendered_ Alpha Centauri, but the Doctor said they didn't have one. Anyone with their head screwed on properly knows that moment didn't have anything to do with anything political. The story about the planet Peladon hoping to join the Galactic Federation was the 'political' edge to a story about mysterious killings going on. Jo didn't 'misgender' anybody. She gendered somebody who happened to be a hermaphrodite hexapod. JO: No, I think he's rather sweet. Or is he a she? DOCTOR: Neither. _She_ is an it. It's a hermaphrodite hexapod. This scripted moment is not considered a political one. Certain people will always try to retrospectively look at this moment and try to connect it to today's trend of trans ideology but that's just looking for things that were never intended to be anything of the sort. Besides, you can't 'misgender' someone or _something_ that has neither anyway.

@rnw2739

Ай бұрын

Well said. Even if Alpha Centauri had beens 'Trans' as these imbeciles purport (a difficult hypothesis, I know), that would still be one character in 26 years.... as opposed to every other character nowadays in each story.... and they try to style it out by pretending such ideological brainwashing stories are just innocent adventure yarns...

Oh here we go, the "Doctor Who has always been political" argument. Ok, explain to me how the apartheid allegory that is The Mutants is in anyway similar to say the pronouns scene in the Star Beast?

@tvc1569

Ай бұрын

so essentially politics is fine unless its something you disagree with (and btw i find the pronouns scene was handled terribly)

@chrispalmer7893

Ай бұрын

The reason this argument is popular is because it is true. Yes, in the past, the messages were a little better cloaked, but that's more about how the TV landscape has changed over the years. Barry Letts was openly left-wing and would have dearly loved to have been far more explicit in the messages he was forced to promote through subtlety (he was proud of those moments when he did sneak something through). Sylvester McCoy has said that he was only interested in the role because he saw Doctor Who - both the character and the show - as standing opposed to Thatcher's government. Maybe it's just that today, with a political discourse that is significantly more infantile and less nuanced than in the past, messaging needs to be more overt. There's also a certain haze of nostalgia over all of this - from a modern perspective an anti-apartheid message seems safe and tame; it was much braver at the time when it wasn't such a given that everyone is anti-apartheid. It was doubtless seen as an example of what people like to call "wokeness" today (and have previously called "political correctness") at the time. Most likely, fifty years from now the "pronouns scene" will seem pretty innocuous (as it does to many of us already). Worth noting that even though you've asked for the similarities, I find the differences between your two examples far more illuminating: (1) I'm guessing you agreed with the anti-apartheid message in the Mutants but not so much what was being expressed in the "pronoun scene" (2) The Mutants was criticising another country and culture, the "pronouns scene" can be taken as an attack on our own and is inherently more provocative

@GrabAStackofRocK

Ай бұрын

Pronouns and mutants are both scary to the weak?

@chrispalmer7893

Ай бұрын

@@GrabAStackofRocK Well, there's that... Tempting to cail it paranoia, but I guess there's nothing paranoid about a bigot's genuine fear of being correctly identified as a bigot.

@quantumvideoscz2052

Ай бұрын

@@chrispalmer7893 The reason it's popular is because it's both true AND disingenuous. You can be "political" in so many ways it's ridiculous. What people are complaining these days is WHAT politics are present and HOW they are handled. But that can never be admitted by the defenders of the current run because that would take an argument from them.

I think the show has fallen off a cliff in recent years. The writing has become very poor. I stopped watching after Jodie’s second season and even then I was going weeks or even months at a time between watching episodes. Aside from the poor writing, I think it’s impossible to refute that they’ve gone overboard with divisive identity politics in recent times. The ratings have been declining for a reason.

KZreadrs channeling Al Gore saying that the sky is falling for over 10 years and are still wrong...smfh

‘Influenced by politics’ isn’t the same thing as being political propaganda

@Zaymont720

12 күн бұрын

I agree there. Especially when it is forced heavily