‘There will be other meetings … in another time.’ *58 Years later*

@Nonhumankind_

8 ай бұрын

I mean, he's in a big finish audio, and in one of the books so

@Yetaxa

8 ай бұрын

​@@Nonhumankind_3 big finish audios, a novel, and a comic story

@1funkyflyguy

8 ай бұрын

It'a amazing really to think about.

@anubusx

7 ай бұрын

I think he inspired Marvel's Grandmaster.

@korystephens3318

6 ай бұрын

He was right...just not the 58 years part.... Well, that and a sister having a go at him (i.e. 2)

As someone who hasn’t watched all the old Doctor who episodes, this was a good way to show a bit about the toymaker and how things ended between the two of them

@Bellocks1

8 ай бұрын

Sadly, if you wanted to watch this serial, only the final episode of it survives. The rest was junked by the BBC and only survives in recon format.

@tallthinkev

8 ай бұрын

The Doctor met him again in the BBC book Divided Loyalties, along with Adric, Tegan and Nyssa

@DrWhoFanJ

8 ай бұрын

@@Bellocks1audio* format.

@farmbrough

8 ай бұрын

Well yes. That's why they posted it.

@farmbrough

8 ай бұрын

​@@Bellocks1and reconstruction, and fan animation.

RIP William Hartnell (January 8, 1908 - April 23, 1975), aged 67 RIP Michael Gough (November 23, 1916 - March 17, 2011), aged 94 RIP Jackie Lane (July 10, 1941 - June 7, 2021), aged 79 You will be remembered as legends.

@SJHFoto

7 ай бұрын

It STILL blows my mind that Hartnell was only 7 years older than I am now when he first played the doctor!

@dylry86

6 ай бұрын

Alfred Pennyworth was the Toymaker???!!!

@JohnnyMac95

6 ай бұрын

@@SJHFoto And it blows my mind that David Tennant is only 3 years older

@KronostheLordofTitans

5 ай бұрын

@@dylry86I know! I can’t believe it

@doctorwhyyt11

4 ай бұрын

Omg Jackie Lane’s birthday is a day after mine :)

This should 100% just be in the opening of the 60th anniversary. It'd pay fantastic homage to the first and original doctor and be a great way to introduce the threat of the toymaker. Even out of context this scene is amazing.

@gameover9390

8 ай бұрын

Indeed, it would be a great way to open the 60th anniversary.

@LewysC

8 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@demon_hawkeye5269

8 ай бұрын

A bit like how The Five Doctors opened up with the "One day I will come back" speech.

@doctorwhoproductions834

8 ай бұрын

Perhaps something similar to Twice Upon A Time

@vocalist92

8 ай бұрын

Then the scene continues and we see the Toymaker regrow himself into his new body. Like Cell in DBZ

"there will be other meetings in another time" 57 years later that other time finally arrived... loved the episode

@Captainkebbles1392

5 ай бұрын

Choked me up ngl

Hearing Mr Hartnell giggle is just heartwarming

@nicksojka7457

5 ай бұрын

Good thing he didn't giggle in the form of an arpeggio

Michael Gough - What an incredible actor, known for this plus his character in Arc of Infinity with the Fifth Doctor, and outside Doctor Who playing Alfred in the Tim Burton BATMAN films God rest his soul

@gingergoddess8953

8 ай бұрын

HOLY CRAP THIS IS YOUNG ALFRED? How did I not see this??

@Lance37a

8 ай бұрын

​@gingergoddess8953 his voice is exactly the same.

@frankshailes3205

8 ай бұрын

Also amazing in The Avengers with Steed and Emma Peel.

@fadikhoory5350

8 ай бұрын

I sometimes wonder why they didn't do an in-universe joke of the fifth doctor going, 'that's the celestial toymaker, how did he get on Gallifrey?' They did something similar in Feast of Steven.

@AndrewChapman

8 ай бұрын

@@gingergoddess8953 BRUCE: It's cold! ALFRED: It's vichyssoise, sir. It's supposed to be cold.

An enemy who faced the Doctor’s first incarnation at an equal level and he’ll be coming back, wanting to beat The Doctor and win the game by any means. Toymaker truly is a terrifying god-like entity.

@FlagadossSupreme

6 ай бұрын

It isn’t a godlike. It is god

@senonimoustv2497

6 ай бұрын

​@@FlagadossSupremeNo he isn't

@_JesusChrist.

6 ай бұрын

@@senonimoustv2497yes it is. Beyond your comprehension.

@sulloobby6574

5 ай бұрын

@@senonimoustv2497 he defeated god lmao and turned him into a toy

@senonimoustv2497

5 ай бұрын

@@sulloobby6574 Yhh in the futile thoughts of RTD's mind.

1:55 the Toymaker is standing on the Number 14…

I love the serial's focus on the trilogic game and the fact that the 60th is gonna be three specials.

To be honest we Need more hartnell villains to return, Only had Cybermen and daleks now we got toymaker.

@benwasserman8223

8 ай бұрын

So who should play the updated Meddling Monk?

@johngurnhill8743

8 ай бұрын

@@DrWhoFanJ I did put them down

@thisusernamewasnttakensomehow

8 ай бұрын

@@benwasserman8223 Recently, I’ve been imagining the Meddling Monk as a sort of lowly comic relief bad guy who just appears every once in a while to carefully arrange a chair for the Doctor to stub his toe on, or replace his sonic with a carrot when he’s not looking. Nothing too serious, but I just think that’d be funny

@randomfish9910

8 ай бұрын

Main ones I can think of are the Meddling Monk or maybe WOTAN would be fun, of course we all know that they're going to bring back the real mastermind villains of Doctor Who: The Chumblies.

@lupino77

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, there could be a return for the Sensorites, WOTAN (from The War Machines), the Mechonoids...

The one who waits… who else is super excited to see the Toymaker come back? 😄

@davidrenwickjunior

8 ай бұрын

Very excited, what you doing next?

@musicron2740

8 ай бұрын

Im hoping that part of the trailer is a misdirect and he is actually talking about Rory. Can you imagine?!!

@TheExpandedWho

8 ай бұрын

@@musicron2740no🤣

@Dragonfly-0010

8 ай бұрын

Why would anyone be excited for the dullest villain to return?

@davidrenwickjunior

8 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfly-0010 The toy maker is certainly not a dull villain, quite a psychopath actually, you must play his games or die horribly, and if you lose you become part of his toy collection. It’s a battle of wits and intelligence best appreciated by people with a strong intellect, but never boring. It beats just rolling out the Daleks or cybermen just because they’re popular, because sometimes they’re over used, but a character that appeared once 60 years ago and has retained his popularity is definitely worth a watch.

i remember watching this as a child, the toymaker episodes were magical. i would have been 6 years old but it was burned into my memory.

@Dalek_Scientist

6 ай бұрын

This will be the biggest payoff for you!!!

Mr Hartnel was such a an amazing actor. He set the bar high for the others to follow.

The Doctor - standing and talking his way out of trouble since 1963.

It's brilliant it's been confirmed the toymaker is back and for the 60th! Very fitting, they're a great villain really looking forward to their interaction after all this time! 💙

@carealoo744

8 ай бұрын

I remember I really wanted him for the 50th- Was only a decade off🙃

@Dragonfly-0010

8 ай бұрын

Worst villain in The Doctor's history

@carealoo744

8 ай бұрын

@@Dragonfly-0010 Oh come on dude, this guy's better than Squid Game at least

@AgentNema122

8 ай бұрын

I think he’s secretly The Master so we will see I don’t think it’s Toymaker

@TheBlueWhoReview

8 ай бұрын

@@AgentNema122 It has been officially announced he is the toymaker unless they're going to keep that secret twist till the 60th. I would like him to be the toymaker but then again it would be cool if it turns out he's just pretending to be!

Insane how all of this is about to pay off fifty eight years later.

@AssassinIsAfk

8 ай бұрын

60

@DerektheDalek

8 ай бұрын

@@AssassinIsAfk Celestial Toymaker came out in 1965, not 1963.

@AssassinIsAfk

8 ай бұрын

@@DerektheDalek I saw that as 50 years later lol that's why I said 60 since its closer to 60 lol

@DerektheDalek

8 ай бұрын

@@AssassinIsAfk Ah, easy mistake! ☺️

Tennant doing the 'subscribe' bit at the end after Hartnell said the Toymaker would return in another time was perfect.

The other episodes are still 'lost', but this final one remains, on a set called "Lost in Time" on DVD. Nice to see William Hartnell, Michael Gough, Peter Purves and Jackie Lane one more time from 1966.

@DWboy14

6 ай бұрын

We get to see it in animated form now

It’s absolutely amazing how the TARDIS sound has not changed since the very start of Doctor Who

Hartnell is my favourite classic doctor, He always retained a quiet dignity (even when acting over the top) and was just so very alien.

Sad that 3 of the 4 episodes are missing. Maybe they'll be animated one day.

@omegagamer4124

8 ай бұрын

Maybe they have already been worked on to release along with the 60th episodes

@surprisedlobsta8543

8 ай бұрын

The first episode has been

@DrWhoFanJ

8 ай бұрын

@@surprisedlobsta8543Not officially, it hasn’t.

@surprisedlobsta8543

8 ай бұрын

@@DrWhoFanJ who cares if it's official if it's good, dynopuff did a great job

@DrWhoFanJ

8 ай бұрын

@@surprisedlobsta8543 I’m not judging it on that metric; all I did was say that an unofficial animation is irrelevant to the OP’s point. (Also, their name is dinopuff [i not y], and I have zero desire to watch it. The little I’ve seen does not look like something I would enjoy.)

If they started The Giggle with a brief pre-credits excerpt from the end of this scene, that’d be class

Michael Gough was excellent as the Toymaker. I first saw him as Alfred, but I also enjoy performances in Horror of Dracula and Konga.

As someone who never watched old Who, it's so amazing to me that despite decades apart, drastically different filmaking styles and techniques, the Doctor still feall like the same character

Neil Patrick Harris the new Toymaker and Michael Gough the orignal Toymaker both played Batman characters. Gough played Alfred in Batman (1989), Batman Returns (1992), Batman Forever (1995) and Batman & Robin (1997). NPH voiced the Music Meister in the incredible Batman the Brave and The Bold animated series

@cje499

8 ай бұрын

NPH also voiced Nightwing in Batman: Under the Red Hood

@nickloschen2717

8 ай бұрын

@@cje499 Oh yeah I forgot he did that. Great movie

@bradbobhayhurst8604

8 ай бұрын

And the Harvey Dent in robot chicken

@mrcritical6751

8 ай бұрын

@@bradbobhayhurst8604oh god I love that sketch

@korystephens3318

6 ай бұрын

3 Toymakers. The 3rd counting David Ballie (previously from Robots of Death)

Kudos to the companion that was willing to sacrifice his life. Thinking about how many companions, in particular in the renewed series, suffered fates worse than death, it's truly remarkable.

Show of hands. Who came here after the 60th anniversary special?

@AlastorAltruistGaming

5 ай бұрын

Here!☝️

I love that originally, the Toymaker was supposed to cause the first regeneration. Its just... beautiful. Edit: 1k likes? For my who trivia? Most I've had on a comment 🤣

@themonado5030

8 ай бұрын

No he didn't

@GrahamPointer1972

8 ай бұрын

@@themonado5030 It was an idea by the production team to replace William Hartnell this way. During the adventure, the Toymaker had made the Doctor invisible.

@jonathancampbell5231

8 ай бұрын

@@themonado5030 He was going to be an excuse to recast Hartnell. When the Toymaker made him invisible, he was going to come back as a different actor, but they nixed that idea and went with regeneration later.

@alastormedial

8 ай бұрын

bit surprising, watching this scene - Hartnell seems to be doing really well. Suppose we only get to see the best take though, maybe he was already struggling behind the scenes.

@AndrewChapman

8 ай бұрын

@@alastormedial You're right, it is surprising considering how episodes in those days were mostly recorded as though they were live. Not to mention Hartnell wasn't in the best of health by this point.

I SEE WHAT YOU’RE DOING HERE BBC DOCTOR WHO

Love how they posted this to let fans who may be unfamiliar with the character to know who he is. Believe also that a couple of scenes/episodes of this serial were lost, but it’s been a while since I’ve seen it

@weatherwitchandfelinefamiliars

8 ай бұрын

I'm glad they have. I'm 50 and hadn't heard of the character before this year, it's good to get context 😊

@MSDOSProject

8 ай бұрын

The first three episodes are currently lost. Epiosde 4 was recovered in the 80s.

@beebopvroop5218

8 ай бұрын

​@@edwardvincentlaybournwalle4991 What a ridiculous comment. It's like saying that you're not allowed to be a fan of The Beatles unless you saw them perform at The Cavern. 😂

@ACtheLegend

8 ай бұрын

​@@edwardvincentlaybournwalle4991nope, that's elitist nonsense. If anything, a *real* fan would follow The Doctor's example and treat *all* fans with respect rather than judging them for what they hadn't seen.

@ACtheLegend

8 ай бұрын

@@edwardvincentlaybournwalle4991 and what? You're either a fan or not a fan, there aren't varying levels. You can either agree or you can be wrong, either way I'm not going to waste any more time schooling you. However, if we take a step into bizarro world for a moment and assume you're right, I've seen some Doctor Who that you won't be able to see for months, so guess that makes me more of a real fan than you. Peace Out *mic drop*

I've been a fan of Who since 2013, I just can imagine how it is for original fans to watch the Toymaker return!!

@gillianhynes7120

8 ай бұрын

I watched the Toymaker back in the 60s and he was frightening. I think more because they always left an episode on a cliffhanger.

Michael Gough was supposed to come back for this part, when Colin Baker was the Doctor. Lousy Michael Grade and his hiatus put an end to that. Still, itll be interesting to see the new take for the 60th.

@Trevski2001

8 ай бұрын

Never knew that. I recall on one of the classic series DVD commentaries (can't remember which one) someone recounted how Michael Grade, fresh from seeing 'Star Wars' made derogatory comments comparing Dr. Who to said film. The minuscule budgets for classic Dr. Who series are legendary, so the retort was 'Give us a Star Wars budget and we'll produce Star Wars results'.

Can’t wait for Neil Patrick Harris modernise this character, so much backstory & god like powers to explore!

@tivednagol9127

8 ай бұрын

What do you mean by modernize? What was wrong with the Toymaker here?

@Praevalidum

8 ай бұрын

@@tivednagol9127Well the name and the costume probably won’t fly today XD.

@tivednagol9127

8 ай бұрын

@@Praevalidum how so? I can see the outfit being an issue of cultural appropriation, but the name?

@Praevalidum

8 ай бұрын

@@tivednagol9127 Celestial is an old racial slur for immigrants from Asia, hence the ‘costume’ to go with the name.

@tivednagol9127

8 ай бұрын

@@Praevalidum is it? I thought it referred to celestial bodies.

3:45 56 years later…

This story seriously needs to be animated if it’s not found!! It’s so unique! 3:30 i really hope they use this clip during the new toymaker episodes, just like they did with the tenth planet in ‘twice upon a time’

@JavertRA

6 ай бұрын

They did (sort of), and they are doing! Though it looks really bizarre...

@alphabetaxenonzzzcat

5 ай бұрын

I think there's one coming for DVD/Blu Ray - for the missing episodes. I agree that it's very unique as adventure. The surreal elements remind me a lot of Patrick Troughton's story "The Mind Robber".

Very excited to see his grand return.

@anubusx

7 ай бұрын

Same. It is brilliant they are using a fairly unknown yet very powerful villian for the anniversary.

I wonder if this is how it will go down with the Toymaker in the special - if the Toymaker loses, then the Doctor has to pay a price for his victory What if it turns out that it's because of the Toymaker that Donna can remember the Doctor without dying? Therefore defeating the Toymaker will kill Donna... but if the Toymaker wins, then Earth is destroyed

It was the third 60th Anniversary special that made me want to come check out the original incarnation of the Toymaker. Apparently he was supposed return in season 23, the final season with the Sixth Doctor twenty years later. But in the end the u produced that serial.

And they set up a sequel that happened 57 years later.

One of the best villains from the Hartnell era

Just watched this story for the first time and I thought this scene was so interesting. I can't wait to see what Russel will do with the toymaker, I feel there's a lot of potential with the toy room concept

OG Doc setting up future episodes and looking like Peter Capaldi when he trails off on some thought he's just had about the future. Brilliant.

The Doctor: "(The TARDIS) doesn't move around on wheels, you know!" The TARDIS at 1:58 : "Drat, forgot to pull them back in again!"

Their animating this using the original audio I’m really looking forward to it. I’m glad they’re restoring these lost episodes. I love classic and new Doctor Who. It’s gotten me through some dark times. Tubi has all the classic and some of the animated, restore episodes for free.

1:56 hes standing on the number 14😭😭😭

I really hope that before the special proper begin, we had a recap like Once Upon a time did lol, like for example "987 episodes ago" 😂

@DrWhoFanJ

8 ай бұрын

_Twice* upon a* Time._ _Once, upon Time_ is a very different episode.

And now eons later The Toymaker has been reawakened and preparing for his revenge!

Here after the new scene/trailer from "giggle"...

A whole new regeneration cycle and 2 billion years later, they meet again. Also I really hope Susan shows up in the 60th or the next series

@TenshiCat

5 ай бұрын

Might I recommend Susan's War, which Big Finish released in 2020? I've been enjoying her a lot in that--and the first episode even has her reunite with Ian; it's so good!

"We'll never see him again, will we, Doctor?" "Oh, my dear, don't talk too soon. The mind is indestructible. So is the Toymaker."

Compared to other things, this aged very well

I just realized, the Toymaker is also Alfred from the '89 BATMAN movie; Michael Gough.

“Don’t talk too soon” how fitting, however, even after all this time, will The Doctor remember The Toymaker?

@thefishwillbearmed7391

8 ай бұрын

He has a "vague memory" 😊

Hartnell was just so good. So good.

Kind of interesting that at one point the Toymaker is standing on the number 14, don’t you think?

Holy crap, Harnells 'don't talk too soon' was chilling knowing what is coming

The battle, as it seems, really will never end.

Yet the Toymaker gets the last laugh as he gives The Doctor a toothache forcing him to go to the O.K. Corrall to visit a dentist!!!! 😂

2:30 MASTER SWITCH!

That ending gives me goosebumps! I'm my mind all I'm thinking is "The Toymaker will RETURN in The Star Beast"

@teemukettunen9833

6 ай бұрын

Where he is. Not returned yet

Neil Patrick Harris will nail the part of the Toymaker!

When Doctor Who took itself more seriously. I was six years old when I watched this. I have not seen it since but I still vividly remember it.

Fun Fact: The Toymaker here is portrayed by Michael Gough - Alfred from the Batman movies!!!

I've been watching Hartnell's Doctor for the first time lately and he's great- I think he could end up being one of my favorites.

@user-yp7rn6tb2t

8 ай бұрын

I remember being scared back in the 1960,s Of the toymaker . Much darker than the modern Dr,Who .

such a shame that most of this story is missing, hopefully one day the animation team can do their magic and bring the missing parts back to life.

1:55 - Anyone else notice the TARDIS on wheels? 😂

"Other meetings... in an other time." William, if only you knew!

Anyone else think the Toymaker looks a lot like Spock?

Michael Gough as the Toymaker was interesting to see. I only knew of this actor as Alfred from the Batman movies before Michael Caine took the role in Batman Begins. The Celestial Toymaker could fly circles around the Joker before that clown could get a single bad joke out.

2:54 cloud here looks like the middle finger lol

i can imagine the Doctor Having the exact same power as the Celestial Toymaker But using it to save the universe with it, he'd be on the same level as the master but with the old saying *"With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"*

3:30 Dodo: We’ll never see him again will we Doctor? Neil Patrick Harris Toymaker: Allow me to reintroduce myself.

Anyone else realize the toymaker is Alfred the Butler??

Just in time for the return of the toymaker which was announced

Michael Gough had such a beautiful voice.

I like how the 1st Doctor is unsure that the Toymaker will return or not and he does a dozen of regenerations later.

Well that confirms it, the Celestial Toymaker is back! This gonna be an epic face off battle. Can't wait!

@1funkyflyguy

6 ай бұрын

It was epic, although there was some questionable scenes and plot decisions I still loved it. Dr Who is back, IMHO.

I wish to see at the beginning of ,,The Giggle" episode similar "Previously on" intro such as the one in Twice Upon a Time... That would be amazing!

@youknow227

8 ай бұрын

Fantastic!

As I've gone through the episodes of the story (I only have episode 4 left) it has been great and the toymaker has been very intimidating and its also moments like these that make the first doctor my favourite doctor. He has so much charm and is very understanding with a lot of wisdom. Plus he has moments where you cant help but smile. However when he needs to be stern he will be. Its a shame Hartnell is no longer with us as even with as sick as he was it would be nice to see him one more time even if its just a few words and not even in character. Edit: I've watched episode 4 now and it was so good. The intensity was high even if knowing The Doctor, Dodo and Steven would survive and win. Cyril was also intimidating, chaotic, fun and childish but in a good way all at the same time. Throughout the entire story I had known about this slip and so I was very confused on how The Toymaker was playing if he wasn't and it wasn't until I was watching episode 4 I realised so for those also confused I'll explain it here: Basically The Toymaker is commanding the pieces to move with as many moves as he commands (of course not all 1023 given that would be cheating) however he is only commanding the pieces to move for a certain amount moves the pieces are automated to play the game to perfection upon hearing his voice command. So he isn't playing, the pieces are playing for him he's just telling the pieces how many moves to do and the pieces do the rest. That's how The Doctor wins because with his good enough impression of The Toymaker (like for real I wonder if it was actually Hartnell doing it or if it was Michael given it was extremely close but you could tell to an extent that it was The Doctor speaking) he is able to make the pieces automate. (The Toymakers commands go along the lines of "Go to move (insert amount of moves here)." So for those that are confused on that that is why. The Doctor did the same command line.) Overall I really enjoyed this story and I highly suggest watching the recons and the surviving episode to catch up on The Toymaker or even just for a great but intensifying story. And who knows you may even want to watch it once the 60th specials come out. (Please do The Toymaker justice. There have been many instances in recent television where characters have had there personality's messed up.)

Hartnell's giggle is something else, what a lovely man

One thing I never understand about this is how the heck did the doctor manage to exactly replicate the toymaker's voice? It's never explained 🤨

@ericgjovaag7958

8 ай бұрын

It seems to be a Time Lord trick. The Master did the same thing with the Brigadier's voice in "The Time Monster" in 1972.

@justthehari

6 ай бұрын

And Rani imitate Mel' s voice

Wow, I just realized it!! So glad to review the episode, also the guy who was Onslow in Keeping up Appearances was also in the series

The visible castor wheels on the Tardis must make the arduous journeys through time and space all that much smoother 😉

I have to watch this episode. Just saw the 3rd Special and I find this villain as equally scary if not more than the Daleks, Cybermen, Zygons, and Sontarans.

Notice he's standing on the number 14 outside the Tardis. That's some lengthy and freaky foreshadowing 😂

“Just at this moment, but there will be other meetings, in an other time…” - oh yes, yes there will.

0:43 the real reason the TARDIS runs away, "you aint getting me!"

What I lovely clip and time to see it. After so many years we get to see them meet again

Posted in honor of this character coming back. Love it!

56 years later he returns 🥳

blud thought he was Mr. beast💀🥶 2:37

After his defeat, the Toymaker decided he needed to learn some humility. So he went a small corner of Existence and created a world where he played manservant to various iterations of what he must have considered a silly vigilante. Now, having had his fill, he's rested and ready for his rematch with the Doctor. (Actually, it would be nice if the DW 60th gives us some sort of Easter Egg like that. 😉🤔🙂👍)

@anubusx

7 ай бұрын

I think it will reference this episode to give the 60th a bit of context.

Who watched this after the last episode?

@tecknovore3.075

6 ай бұрын

Me

Thank you for posting this.

Parts of the opening of this clip where the Doctor says the Toymaker "goes on forever" would be cool to see on the front of the 60th Anniversary special, "Giggle" before the opening credits run a la "Five Doctors".

1:56 notice what he's standing on 👀

@alittlelife8650

8 ай бұрын

the number 14😭😭😭😭

You know, I've seen several pictures of the original Toy Maker as the 60th Anniversary has approached, but until I heard his voice in this clip, I had no idea it was Alfred...

Can't wait to see him again! 🎲

I really liked the old Black and White Dr. Who! For such a simple, low budget filming, you still had all the imagination and special effects potential! My favorites were the orginal Dalek stories!

@user-yp7rn6tb2t

8 ай бұрын

As a kid back in the 60s drwho scared me . Hartnell was the best . Laugh I now have his hairstyle!