Rand dont-get-into-every-cute-lady-you-meet challenge. Difficulty: impossible.

@edoardocravera1257

10 ай бұрын

Ahahahah that was good

@armonkaviani7808

10 ай бұрын

It’s good to be the Dragon Reborn

@samuelchikomborero1206

10 ай бұрын

And he is a handsome dude

@xKhaozs

10 ай бұрын

“ Elayne “

@markreyes1866

10 ай бұрын

Rand is a man of culture🤭

Non-bookreader here.....and that's how a season finale should look like!!! 🥂

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Ayyyyy Sexy dirty money back in the house 🙌 good to see you again!

As a non book reader, this definitely the best episode so far

@eunomiac

10 ай бұрын

Oohhhh just you wait :D

@Indarionnnnne

10 ай бұрын

As a book reader, I hated it... Sure I read those first volume couple year ago, but alot of stuff didn't feel right. I had high hope with the episode 5-6-7, being perfect. but the season ending... I hate it, they made it so cheesy with everyone together at the end. Please, go read the book and see for yourself, I dont wanna spoil the real Wheel of Time to you.

@karenholmes6565

10 ай бұрын

@@Indarionnnnne The first three books were good, and Jordan seasoned them with future threads that really made the series pop. But I always thought that the first three books were Jordan trying out magical objects until he cemented his ideas about how the magical system works. Things like The Horn of Valere became part of the fabric of the story, but I doubt he would have introduced it if he had been of the same mind that he was at the end of the books as he was when he first started writing them. The entire reason why you find the television show "cheesy" is because of those elements. Can you imagine if they had Rand fight in the sky with Ishy? The entire episode would have become a cheese roll. The show and the books are entirely different animals. The different mediums demanded different tellings of the story. Jordan himself talked about the fact things would have to be changed to make an adaptation. I think the show is doing a really good job of paring down the story to fit it on to a television screen. I am hoping they make the entire show into an animated series. Voice actors do not age on screen, and they can take 10 years to tell the story more faithfully to the original. But it is completely illogical to expect a television show to do the same thing. Even if they had all of the money in the world (they don't) they cannot magic up the time they would need to tell it, the actors would be in their 40s when it ended if they tried

@tw7998

10 ай бұрын

@@Indarionnnnne also a reader since 1992 with a tonne of re-reads and loved the last episode despite the changes from the books. BUT if you didnt like it thats ok, we share our love of the series.

@WilliamsPinch

10 ай бұрын

Easily.

The finale was chef’s kiss. I was sooo glad to see Moghedien.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

🕷️ softly softly in the shadows!!!

@imphoenixfire

10 ай бұрын

She was amazing, the actress and the performance. It was amazing.

@WarriorOfTheAltaii

10 ай бұрын

@@imphoenixfire Indeed. I am so looking forward to see the exchange between Moghedien and Liandrin, Moghedien and Nynaeve and again Moghedien and Lanfear. This will be one hell of an acting masterclass

Loved to see Mat's redemption. Being a hero of the horn really works. Is he saying "time to roll the dice " in the old tongue?

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

He sure is!!!

@jim85ps2

10 ай бұрын

I thought it was the manetheran battle cry

@feralart

10 ай бұрын

​@@jim85ps2that would be “Carai an Caldazar! Carai an Ellisande! Al Ellisande!”

@TheJordanK

10 ай бұрын

It’s time to toss the dice I believe is what he says

@williamgraham7697

10 ай бұрын

Matt's scene saved this whole adaptation for me. Like I was right on the verge of checking out

I still want to believe that when Matt blows the horn, and the heroes arrive he is not just the horn blower but the one and only horn blower. In all his past lives when the heroes are needed it is he that blows the horn.

Ishamael is by far the deepest, most interesting character in the show.. branding Ishamael as an evil ve good is an oversimplification of his character.. he is a militant philosopher and mystic who believes that the wheel time is a choice and not inevitable path for humanity.. his final saying "I see nothing" echoes his mystical views.. he will be missed.. it looks that the other forsakens lack the elegance and depth of Ishamael... RIP

@alexanderberyozkin

10 ай бұрын

Don’t worry…. the Dark One is the Lord of Graves. It is not a farewell yet

@eodiete

10 ай бұрын

Moridin ?

@alexanderberyozkin

10 ай бұрын

@@eodiete yep 👍🏻

@bastabey2652

10 ай бұрын

@@eodiete what is “moridin”?

@eme.261

10 ай бұрын

​@@alexanderberyozkin -- Why give that info? Is there some perverse joy pulled from taking away a part of a story from others? Why not leave such a detail to the show? Man, I'm getting so tired of other book readers just vomiting their knowledge onto non-book readers. I read the books, but the idea of stripping others of the joy of discovery is abhorrent to me.

Nynaeve is apparently a terrible non-magical healer, she didn't even break the arrow off, she pushed it through with the fletching on it! That's a great way to ensure you get an infection. Some Wisdom she is lol.

@Rattatoskr

10 ай бұрын

Nice catch. The whole scene was forgettable and did not contribute to anything in this episode. Maybe it is one more reminder for the non book viewer that she still has that block and so that Elayne can show that she really is though as nails.

Hopper’s death was like losing a child…it was THAT gut wrenching to me…🥺😭❤️ PS: ❤ your reaction! I REALLY ❤ this series!!!

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

💜

@christinearmington

10 ай бұрын

Horrific 😢🥺😱

I love how they portray Lanfear as this ambivalent, ambiguous figure, just like the Greek three-formed Moon Goddess Hecate. The actress definitely nailed it. She can change expressions in a second, from a powerful channel to a sensitive and vulnerable woman, as you can see from the conversations between her and Rand in the Ways. The way she pushed Marianne and Lan out of the Ways is so sexy and enchanting.... a big blow of kisses, hahaha! Soooo Lanfear!!!!

@drlufly

10 ай бұрын

The show runners definitely know ancient mythology. And of course, Robert Jordan!

@SpiritStoneWarrior94-yx3gs

10 ай бұрын

Just so you know it's spelt Moraine ❤

@Briaaanz

10 ай бұрын

Lanfear has been my favorite character by far on the show. With all the changes we've had, I've gotten to the point where I'm hopeful that she reaches her objectives and is happily ever after

@abymondesir23

8 ай бұрын

She also remindes me of hella from marvel ragnorock

Matt and hopper definitely my favorite moments

Heart breaking the end of Hopper... I apriciate the bond with animals and it touched me deeply

Wow Amber. What a way to wake up! You really made me tear up with your descriptions and love for the Horn scene and "moiraine on the beach" scene. Not to mention the hard work you have put into making this video to be released so soon after the episode ended. Your love and dedication to this series is amazing ,and it always comes through in your opinions, knowledge and insight. This is episode was a whirlwind, so much happened. Mat and the horn, my favorite scene by far. Even with retconning the dagger to be deadly at a touch, showing mat with the ashandari, the horn, speaking old tongue...I mean chills. Perrin getting his goldeneyes and an axe,, egwene's redemption, the fulfilling of profecy from the books with Rand and even Moghedian...omg...Moghedian..Chills! Things I didn't like on first watch, having to see nynaeve and Elayne sit through two scenes of sitting on the street, the mechanics behind how egwene was able to cause pain to Rena without a bracelet on herself or even put the collar on her. If the collar wasn't viewed by egwene to be a weapon, well I'm not exactly sure and I guess I could be just thinking too much into it. I wish Rand had been able to show a little more of his capabilities with the power. But overall it was so good. So much better than season 1. Thank you again for this. I can't wait to hear more from you.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

😭💜 THANK YOU! Means a lot.

@WarriorOfTheAltaii

10 ай бұрын

Egwene had a bracelet. It even dropped on the ground when Renna died. Probably a rewatch will help :)

Thnk you. My moment was Moiraine and Lan. That was such a payoff of a story line that was complained about in the beginning of the season. I loved that. I also love the How Mat has small roles from the start in oder to have a Big ending plot. It balanced it very well through the season. Everything has been gr8 and it shows that the story writer's are setting the foundation very Well for ths show. Slow but it's getting ther on the right track.

I literally cried during the episode I was overwhelmed with emotions. I really love this episode even tho I think 10 episodes would be better for pacing but altogether it’s great TV 🤩👌🏾

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Would love to see 10!!!

As a non-book reader, my mind is blowing of happiness due to the episode a just watched, it was AWESOME ! Can’t even say my best part, but surely best episode. + can’t imagine a better episode in season 3, but I’ll surely wait for 🙏🏻 hope they renew it

@idjles

10 ай бұрын

@dragonrasp They filmed season 2 & 3 back to back.

@xKhaozs

10 ай бұрын

@@idjlescoool 🙏🏻😍🥹

I cried like a Baby when the heroes appeared! Birgitteeeeee! Uf just amazing. They did it! They got me! Moghedien at the end? She did have to slay that hard!

Btw Lanfear calling out Ishy for his waffling was such a beautiful bit of dialogue, perhaps my favourite exchange this season

i straight up yelled can't remember the last time a show made me yell with sheer joy

I am a book reader and I love the show. I have to say that out of all of the other reviews of the show I have watched on youtube, yours have been my favorite. You are insightful and have a clear understanding of the content of the books and you are graceful when it comes to the adaption of the material for the show. Thank you

@roadtotarvalon

9 ай бұрын

You're so kind! Thanks 💜

Watched it twice back to back. The next season is gonna be wild and GO MAT!!

The main characters are pretty ruthless in this episode. Rand murdering Turok's guards, Nyneave torturing the suldam, and Egwene murdering Renna. I hope this is something we will see them reflect on next season.

Non book reader: I enjoyed this episode a lot! This along with episode 6 were my favs. I hardly remember episode 1 and 2 and stopped midway and had to binge watch season 1 again to remember the stories at all. I especially liked mat blowing the horn scene and calling the heroes of the past and the end with all of them together. This episode was for the two river folks and I liked how it’s come full circle again. I’m excited for mats and egwene’s journey next season. Mat for all of season 2 was just background or a piece on the Board to be moved around and similar for egwene. But I hope they come on their own and become bigger players. I like spoilers so I read up on the whole end of the books for fun. I think and hope they do make Egwene story different and more substantial than the books. I read she’s not a fan fav for book readers but I think show might just have her and elayne be the love interest for rand. Book readers won’t like it but as a non book reader I don’t mind. And I hope her ending is NOT like the books I’m also excited to see mats journey and his luck changing. Book rand almost seems too powerful and I think show has slowed down his power before they ramp it up. Nynievr and elaynes dynamic this season was also one of my fav this season but I was bored of nynieve and lans interaction last season. Morraines story will take a back seat moving forward as I understand from the books or will the show change it as Rosamund pike is such a big actor? Don’t know. Ishamael was one of my fav too this season. Or maybe it was the actors way of portraying him but it was very convincing! Will they bring back the same actor? Doesn’t seem like it if they follow the books and seems like they have to change. Anyways looking forward to next season.

Thank you I have been looking for a good wheel companion, and have finally found it. Well spoken with good insight.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! So kind 💜

When Mat yelled It’s time to toss the dice, I wept. And of course Hopper too. In fact I’ve seen this episode 4 times and cry every time. 😢

@jodiz5901

9 ай бұрын

I wonder if I'll ever be able to see Hopper die and not cry.

@AloisiaSedai

9 ай бұрын

@@jodiz5901 I have seen that scene a dozen times now and the time I haven't cried hasnt happened yet.

Watching WoT doesn't feel quite complete with your videos. Thanks again for producing such quality content! As a non-book reader, I quite enjoyed the finale, but I did feel a few plot lines weren't fleshed out enough for them to earn the emotional weight the show was probably aiming for.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

I wish the season was a bit longer to help that. I think my biggest criticism is that things feel rushed, and it leads to the lack of emotional weight like you're saying.

You have done an AMAZING job of explaining everything without ruining anything. I am thoroughly impressed. I have read the book 6 time each, and there's no way I could explain it like that

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Aw thanks 💜 means a lot!

what if Egwene was also one of the heroes and she had also recover her memories/strength? This could explain that unexpected rise of power and "you can fight a Choosen"

@eeshanchaudhary30

10 ай бұрын

If you notice, the weaves used by Moiraine are far more complex and take a lot of time and hand moving (in the books it is explained that some weaves, especially 100 weaves of the Aes Sedai testing are so needlessly complex that some of them cannot be done without using hands as a focal point). I think it compensates for the lack of Moiraine’s raw power. If you remember correctly, in S01E01, Moiraine launches multiple medium sized fireballs on trollocs almost instantaneously, which implies she was relying on raw strength rather than complex weaves. Also when Egwene is fighting Ishamael, she is using a broad range defensive weave rather than an offensive weave like Moiraine used in S01E08. Had she tried attacking Ishamael rather than just defending, it would have ended rather badly if not worse for Egwene. Also shield used by Egwene was made of fine, streamlined flows. In books RJ explicitly says that dexterity can make up for lack in raw power. And Egwene is one of the most if not the most dexterous weaver in white tower. It is often mentioned by wise ones and her Aes Sedai teachers that the remarkable pace at which she learns a new thing is amazing. She split her flow of one power into 14 flows even when dosed on fork root. She has mastered all the healing weaves perfectly as said by Suana (Yellow Ajah Head) which are most difficult weaves even though she lacks the specific Talent for healing.

@ShallowSedai

10 ай бұрын

Ishy had just broken 6 seals. We saw the massive power needed for that. He was weakened giving Egwene a chance to defend.

@williamgraham7697

10 ай бұрын

Rand makes Egwene look like a lamb in a field of lions in this series. Just to be clear. Even Nynaeve would be like a candle compared to the sun with Rand. Ishmael is dramatically more powerful than Egwene and Amazon made that whole scene up with Egwene defending Rand. #girlpower

@WilliamsPinch

10 ай бұрын

@dragonraspshe’s my very fave. I’m reading the books bc of her.

Im only just starting to read the first book but i have to say matt’s scene with the horn was my favourite! I think i shed a tear for him Ngl 😂😢. It felt so rewarding to finally have matt do something to help his friends and matt character having a purpose feels very earned since the character has had such a rough go.

@ShpanMan

10 ай бұрын

Oh you poor thing. So many books with nothing happening in them. The show really is the optimal way to experience the story.

I think the polearm Mat fashions is a nice nod to the real thing but I think he'll still get the real one. I mean, what he made is a nice macgyver thing but isn't something one would expect to carry into battle and have hold up under the stress of that.

@Amberle38

10 ай бұрын

Yes it's just foreshadowing I'm sure. Seems likely to me they're cutting the redstone doorway in Tear but Rhuidean will still happen, there's been other hints.

I'm a show only watcher and I loved the season finale! After what I found to be a lackluster season 1 I'm glad I gave S2 a shot! The difference in quality is night and day. I love how many scenes are filmed on physical locations too! Falme looks amazing! My personal fave scenes of this episode were seeing Mat finally shine! From his escaping to crafting the spear to blowing the horn. That moment when the heroes of ages emerge gave me chills! I also love Egwenes storyline this season, from her self doubt to becoming strong enough to free herself, she didn't need anymore to save her, although I feel she's going to be changed going forwards! I love Lan and Moraine reconnecting, it was so sweet how much he respects her and her finally being honest about how much she admires him. Mom and Dad are back 😂 I do think Nyneave was a missed opportunity, they didn't know what to do with her, it felt like after the yellow Ajah gave her advice her mental block was going to open up but she just regresses back. Finally Lanfear, I support women's wrongs as much as their rights 😂 She's such a likeable baddie, you can tell she's not purely evil and has some self motivation that's different to the dark ones goals. I've also enjoyed watching your episode reviews each week, your channel is my favourite among WoT KZreadrs!!! I hope to see more amazing episodes going forwards! I wouldn't mind seeing some lore explanations or summaries for show watchers for future episode ideas 😁

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Lore stuff will be coming soon!

Non book reader - I definitely agree that Moiraine's channeling on the beach was a very beautiful and powerful scene, especially since she was unable to channel for the majority of the season!

I wish so much that i could watch these!!! I ABSOLUTELY LOVED THE BOOKS!!!

I love this review and commentary! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! It's much appreciated 💜

Haven’t read this book, but had an intuition that all the five would stand together at one side (LIGHT), that even Matt who was easily taken over by the DARK would join hands with his friends. The scene after Matt blowing up the horn and all the Heroes of the Horn appearing was Epic. There is some connection (spark especially in Rand’s eyes) between Rand and Elyne as they see each other for the first time (I mean it’s not like it’s first 😜)

@williamgraham7697

10 ай бұрын

Elayne is one of Rands three lovers. And Matt would be impossible to go to the dark. He is a true hero.

@Sandra-pd3pu

10 ай бұрын

@@williamgraham7697 Oh 😯

@williamgraham7697

10 ай бұрын

@@Sandra-pd3pu oh yeah. Rand got aalllll the girls....and yes. They know about each other 😜

@Sandra-pd3pu

10 ай бұрын

@@williamgraham7697 would he marry them all🫨

@williamgraham7697

10 ай бұрын

@@Sandra-pd3pu lol sort of? Like all Fourway relationships, it gets complicated

A great season! And I've really enjoyed your highligts and discussions about the episodes. Keep up the good work! I've read the books, but it's been quite a few years ago, and I have a poor memory when it comes to books/movies. So it's good to get some comparison with the books, since I don't remember the details much of the time. I missed Min from the end, most of the other main characters were there. But as I said, I don't remember all the details from the books.

Amazinggggg episode. My favorite so far! Can’t wait for season 3

Your narration of your video was fantastic!!

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

💜 thanks means a lot.

RtTV, what a pleasure your excellent video highlights are to me!

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

💜

I find your videos the best about Wheel of Time, balancing the information from the book with the tv show! As a non book reader, I love to see the parallels! Also, thank you for the spoiler warnings, I always stop before that!

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Thank you so much 💜 it means a lot.

yeah i don't think Mat's improvised spear is meant to be a replacement for his Ashandarei so much as a precursor, something we can see him train with and be(come) proficient in so when he does get his signature weapon he can begin wielding it skillfully on screen right away (frankly undermined a bit by tying his ability to his past lives and the horn but maybe it can still be made to work) edit: also Moghedien was the highlight for me, whoever this actress is, i'm so looking forward to seeing her perform as her character in season 3, she was compelling, cute, terrifying, and threatening all in one, an adorable psycho, and i'm here for it

It was such a beautiful episode ❤

Your script is as beautiful as the show itself. Keep it up.🎉🎉🎉

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Thank you! Will do!

I enjoyed the first season, but this season they hit it out of the park - loved it!

I loved this episode!!!! What an amazing finale

@mahmoodkhalid9038

10 ай бұрын

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non book reader. love your discussion. they are very well done and organized. i was heart sick for the wolf also. loyal to Perrin to the end. too bad he didn't get to finish his chore. i felt there were a lot of characters loose ends. hopefully they will make up these points in next season.

As a non book reader who just started reading The eye of the world. I loved Season 2 more than season 1, episode 6 and 8 are my favourite so far. Though I feel some character arcs like Matt was rushed or needed more explanation. I recognize the show is doing an adaption and will not be able to do detailed explanation of character arcs especially like the Heroes of the horn more clearly and in detail in the future too because of budget and what not, also I didn't get what was the tea scene and visions was with Ishmael and Matt in the last episode. Also, I am exited to see all the other Forsaken characters on screen in the next season. Hopper death scene was sad. Also I don't understand Perrin's Wolf brother powers. I am exited to see the Aiel storyline because I recognize Rand's real Mother was an Aiel & I want to know more about his family, him being the Dragon Reborn and all and how they are related to the Damodred & Moiraine.

I think they're going to be cutting the aelfinn and eelfinn altogether. Also with show Lanfear....I think she's going to be a complete wild card. Also what makes it very interesting is that she "light save rand" or something like that. Something tells me she's going to be more of a gray character in the show.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

I definitely think they could lean in that direction too until Rand has attraction to another woman at least 🙃

@Cheeseburger2469

10 ай бұрын

I think she will turn more to the dark as Rand continues to reject her. I think they are setting Lanfear up to be Naeblis instead of Morridin as see has the saa already and we never saw it with Ishy

@Rattatoskr

10 ай бұрын

That would be a bummer. Fares Fares plays Ishamael so perfectly that I look very much forward to see him again as Moridin.

@xiledknight444

10 ай бұрын

That is quite the possibility. Either way I'm quite excited for what they have in store. I feel something is going to happen in unexpected in regards to her development.

I thought they really suck the landing.... And I'll always have the books.... I don't need this to be that. I realize it couldn't be nearly as deep and complex, because that's just not possible in this format. This is such a good cast.....That was really fun!

@ramspencer5492

10 ай бұрын

Sorry. I meant they 'stuck' the landing!

So very glad everyone associated with this show loves the source material. Great summary.

I just started laughing hysterically from the moment that Egwene stands up to Ishamael until the end of the episode. It was absolutely hilarious. Are we sure Rafe isnt just trolling us all? And the main fight, the one that every book reader was anxious about, was a stab.... a simple stab, that was the fight between Rand and Ishamael.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Go outside and touch some grass my friend. How many angry comments are you going to leave me? I get it, you're unhappy with the show, but I'm not your therapist.

For me the biggest surprise was the reveal that Moiraine is a Black Ajah now. She is clearly not bound by Three Oaths - Never to use the One Power as a weapon except against Darkfriends or Shadowspawn or in the last extreme defense of her life, the life of her Warder, or another Aes Sedai

You are so right. That WAS the moment I waited for. Mat and the horn. Listening to non book readers talk about Mat since S1E1…..in our hearts, we smiled, feared, and hoped. Even the casting problems made Mat underestimated even more. . . Rafe knew he HAD to give us that. And BTW Uno is Gaidal Cain, right? Two swords…

I thought I was ready for Hopper to die too. I thought "He's coming back, this is necessary" the way I did with Egwene's torture. But like you, I ugly cried too. I was able to fight the tears off until Hopper was jumping to the sky and then I lost it. I don't know if it is because I am a fool for the love of my dogs, but it slayed me. I think I love canines more than I love people.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

I definitely had to take a break and pet my dog after that scene 😭 the jumping is what got me too.

Hopper is an unsung GOAT. As learned in the books, Matt is the returned King of Manetheren, the fox's say something like "Memories are an arrow through time"

Haven't read the books but I just love how they amped up everything this season. I was on the fence a bit with s1 but this one has me in deep, the finale was just phenomenal. The last scene gave me chills. I'm excited to see the other Forsaken given how impressive Ishamael and Lanfear were throughout. Natasha O'Keeffe has been so perfect in the role. I'm also glad the ta'veren are taking more of a center stage but my one big gripe was how Nynaeve was underutilized towards the very end.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. It's the same frustration book readers had, waiting half the series for her to be able to successfully channel lol. Welcome to the club 😆💜

I "ugly-cried" over Hopper too!

Great ending imo. Can't wait for next season

i do love the explainations that arent explicitly given - lanfear not giving away the gateway weave, dust on the hands

As a non book reader this has been an amazing season. Matt and Rand are my favorite of the five and Lanfear has become someone I'm rooting for, I know that may sound weird but I like strong complex female characters. I didn't think Ishmael would have died this soon, but the release of the other Forsaken creates built-in villains for future seasons. Looking forward to future seasons.

@idjles

10 ай бұрын

Every woman in this show is strong and complex.

@bryonerwin3758

10 ай бұрын

@idjles Absolutely, but she reminds me so much of Katherine from Vampire Diaries and I think that makes me like her(Lanfear) more.

The epsiode really worked like clockwork, such a good moment

Hi, as book reader I enjoyed this season, and much better finale than season 1, showing just how much a problem COVID was. As a reader I fully expected changes, having seen a number of adaptations of books I've read to film or TV. I am really only expecting to hit story beats and to capture the essence of each character, giving the amount of material they have to get through. With changes I am not expecting an immediate payoff (TBF payoffs in the books could be multiple books later as well), but I do find it fun to speculate where they are going with some of them without deviating from the 'rules' Robert Jordan established. For example, do you think the Whitecloaks got their hands of some smoke generating Ter'angreal (used for parties in the age of Legends:)? Also, do you think Matt might lose his memories when the heroes of the horn left, leading him to seek to regain them, maybe getting that plotline back?

As other commenters have said, I think they really stuck the landing. As a book reader, i have to hope they catch the essence of the books, and sit back and just enjoy the show. Season 2 did that for me. Much better than the first. 😊

You asked for a non-readers view. So, here is mine. I watched this series because I had heard its author lauded as the American Tolkien. Can't judge the author's writing skill as I haven't read the books, but I could get an idea of the story. Frankly, I didn't like the first season much but I found some of the characters to be engaging enough to want to see what happened to them in Season 2. Season 2 for me was a different story. Matt's reappearance was satisfying to me. My favorite moments: Egwene's releasing herself and overcoming her sul'dam; the renewal of Moiraine and Lan's connection; and, that incredibly creepy Forsaken peron - Moghedien. Moghedien made me wonder what the other Forsaken like? I still don't know whether I will read the books, but I am looking forward to Season 3.

@roadtotarvalon

7 ай бұрын

Love to hear it 💜

OMG I MISSED MOIRAINES WEAVING! IT WAS SO PRETTY

Nice overview! I’ve enjoyed these. I do think Mat’s improvised spear here is foreshadowing, not the final version. I can’t see him hanging out with the dagger for long. And I wonder if his memories will remain or partially fade, leaving gaps he wants to fill. My bet is we get one archway with both snakes and foxes instead of two. But who knows!

I don't think this is the final form of the ashandarei. That weapon, the medallion, the future-wife-prophecy, the battle memories, the "half the light of the world" prophecy and fulfillment, are way too integral to his character to be replaced by a part of a bedframe and a toot on the horn. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the progress in his arc here, but I feel like it's more like strong foreshadowing of things to come. He's clearly still connected to the dagger so maybe he will get fully "healed" soon and THEN have the holes in his memories losing both Mat memories AND past-life memories, making his demand to have those holes filled even stronger. 🤔 Also seeing what Egwene does to Renna without Nynaeve there to stop her... wow 😮 16:25 your slowed down Mat clip made me freaking cry AGAIN and I've watched this half a dozen times now 😭And I really don't think it would've landed this way if they hadn't taken Mat and his backstory (i.e. family life) down the road it went in the show.

Can't wait to see what Preston thinks! :D

I don't think the show will let Mat keep a spear made with the ruby hilted dagger, it made for some great moments... but it is also a bit OP, and he still has to get the fox head medallion.

I can relate to cherishing the experience of reading the books, I have read them many times. But having so many talented people come together and give depth and complexity to the wheel of time story and its characters is simply a wonderful addition to the WOT world. There is no denying that all female characters are many many times more interesting, complex and believable compared with the imagination of them by (brilliant) RJ. One man cannot think as diverse as a crew of people that really love bringing the world to life. All villains are so much more relatable and less Hollywood villains than in the books. I am listening to the book right now again in parallel with the TV show. I really must say, books and show both stand on their own, but the show is at least as good as the books, but in a different way. If you only try to compare it to how close to the books it is you are completely missing the point of this tv-show. Enjoy it for what it is. Its an AMAZING storytelling!

@roadtotarvalon

9 ай бұрын

Thank you for this 💜

Fantastic! Thank you for this. I loved this episode. What a finale!! I could’ve used some additional details like how about letting us see how they stole the horn instead of telling us and the lead up and lack of emotion involving Ingktars death was disappointing. As a non book reader this was amazing but we(my wife and I) are learning as so go so please forgive some stupid comments and misspelling. Can someone explain why Nyneave couldn’t touch the one power from the mid point on? Had to do with the arrow and death of the Suldame????

I think the dragon was truly Epic

I wept for Hopper too .

Did Moghy pull Lanfear into the dream world? It might explain how she was able to outclass her, since she is supposed to be the strongest Forsaken in the world of dream.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

It's a possibility, the lighting changes when Moggy leaves.

Mogi is not only joker level nuts, she also has more power, cunning, and courage. Confronting and trapping Lanfear? Wow. That’s upleveing for Mogi. In an UNRELATED comment, it’s interesting that we now must wait for Nynaeve the way we waited for Mat.

Great episode and epic ending overall a solid series with great action sequences and special effects and character development especially eqgwain. My only gripe is the series didn’t have a enough action.

@roadtotarvalon

8 ай бұрын

Hopefully it's coming 💜

The “banner” from the books would have been pretty anticlimactic.

I know that it's his catch phrase, but I still wish he'd said "The grave is no bar to my call."

@roadtotarvalon

8 ай бұрын

That would have been great!!!

It was both cool and a little worrying the dagger was incorporated into the ashandarei. It removes so much of the future arcs of Padan Fain, which likely means most of his future plot will vanish. But as we're likely not going to have 12 seasons and we've only gone through 2 books, there's likely huge sections of the overall plot that will vanish, which isn't all bad; I for one thought in the books the whole divide of the Tower took up way too much time over multiple books and it was a relief when Egwene finally triumphed.

🤣 That Stupid Fire Dragon, aw man Fire RAFE

They disrespect Perin so much in the show. From killing his wife, to killing a white cloak. We know why he did it, but the way they show it. It's straight up murder. They also refused to let Rand be the hero of the story. Egwene should not have been able to free herself the way she did. Moreraine destroys a bunch of ships, and creates the dragon Banner. Just how powerful is she supposed to be? I think the actress playing Lanfear finally got a chance to shine. She was great, looking forward to seeing more. The quality of the show has really improved, there were some good episodes, but this one was rushed.

@briane8627

10 ай бұрын

And how did Moiraine use the power as a weapon?? She must have killed a lot of people on those ships...

As a non book reader, I have to admit that I was quite lost this season. Apart from simply allowing the story to unfold and enjoying each episode on its own, much of the story in terms of connecting the themes, characters, and understanding intentions this season was confusing.

If Rand is the Dragon reincarnated, who are his four friends? The two women seem to be more powerful than other Aes Sedai. One guy can talk to wolves and the other guy is a Hero of the Horn?

I've always felt that the books were full of glaring Deus Ex Machina and I was hoping the show to _fix_ book errors, not lean into them and even add more (Egwene channeling with a collar on). Ishy has been established to tie off shields on people, but somehow needs damane on ships somewhere to shield someone they can't even see... I don't know how many issues that creates...

@Rattatoskr

10 ай бұрын

I thought about the shielding too: On the one hand I came to the conclusion that it was saver for Ishy to have him shielded by multiple channelers. After all he could not know how strong Rand had become and he definitely had respect for LTT. On the other hand I did not like how long Egwene could stand her ground against him and would have found it to be more believable if he would have had to shield Rand at the same time.

@bidossessi

10 ай бұрын

@@Rattatoskr he could have at least tried something though, instead of doggedly hurling fireballs at Egwene...

When they stand there at the end, they know they have ALL killed or tortured someone. Recently. That includes Elayne if she killed a soldier when they escaped the Seanchan.

As a non-book-reader, I think the show is starting get really good and I really hope it picks up more viewers.

❤

Beginner questions here: why didn't moraine simply open the waygate again after she was blown out? Is ishamael really dead or just in porsition to be reborn again? Why did he die from a sword while lanfere was able to come back to life?

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

In the time it takes for her to open the Ways, Lanfear and Rand would be long gone, and she wouldn't know which exit they took. Second question is a spoiler but almost anyone can be reborn so 👀 Lanfear was brought back by the Dark One. She was chosen. Ishamael was burned from the inside out quickly.

Moirain broke the 3 oaths attacking the Seanchan

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

I mean, if Ishamael wins the fate of the world is over in her eyes, so technically it's self defense.

@the2ndprotectstherest582

10 ай бұрын

@@roadtotarvalon She didn't attack Ishy, she attacked people, while despicable and disgusting, weren't dark friends. Her life was not in jeopardy at that time And neither was Lan's. I guess she could have rationalized attacking to break the shield to save the world, but she kept attacking after the shield was down.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

@@the2ndprotectstherest582 Guess it's a matter of philosophy 🤷🏼‍♀️ rand loses kiss humanity bye bye.

@the2ndprotectstherest582

10 ай бұрын

@@roadtotarvalon True, but I still see it as oath breaking.

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

@@the2ndprotectstherest582 and if you were an Aes Sedai that would prevent you from doing it. But it doesn't mean Moiraine sees it the same way you do, and the way she sees it is what allows her to do it or not do it.

It’s been a while, like 20 years or so, since I last read the books, but one thing stuck out: I thought Padan Fain did not want to give up the dagger to Matt. Or am I completely wrong.?

@briane8627

10 ай бұрын

You're not wrong.

The Third Oath did not make the translation to TV, did it?

in the audio book they pronounce falme like falmee with e sound on the end

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

Yeah. It's more like fal-muh in the audio books.

Personally I'm hoping that isn't the Ashandarei, but just a bit of teasing / foreshadowing

Episode 08 felt rushy and sometimes cheap (aside during the use of the One power) to me. I do not mind the changes as few of them actually makes more sense than in the book. Amazon really needs to allow the creators to produce 10 to 12 episodes, it is really tough to do it in 8 episodes without decreasing the quality of the pacing/story. It's tough to buy that Ishamael would struggle to fight Egwene considering how he shove Moiraine instantly. Even if Egwene is supposed to be superior to Moiraine in potential, seeing Ishamael simply throwing fire balls and needles while we know he has so many possibilities to end it leaves a bitter taste, it made the elite villains a bit underwhelming and incoherent given their previous prowess. Or even doing nothing against Rand when he is going to land a strike. Why?!

I would just put on gloves before picking up the dagger

The episode seems to have really split reader opinion, personally i loved it despite the changes to lore and need to suspend disbelief.

Egwene is not to be trifled with

I personally dont think this will be matts signature weapon from the books tbh. It would be way too much of a risk for it to stay his signature weapon, if everytime he wields it. All would need to be done was to force him to touch the dagger and he'd be back to the way he was when wielding the dagger initially

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

We will see!

As someone who has only watched the show I have one question, if a Forsaken wants to can he sabotage the dark one's cause?

@roadtotarvalon

10 ай бұрын

I love this question SO MUCH. There is definitely potential for any of the Forsaken to come in with their own motives, the same goes for a Darkfriend. But it would be really dangerous to go against their oaths to the Dark One. There would be consequences.

This season did rand bad,they didnt show his strength at all

@Rattatoskr

10 ай бұрын

The problem with very powerful characters is to slowley increase their might. If you do not do that it becomes very quickly unbelievable if they have to struggle with anything. You can read the same comments about pretty much every main character (Matt, Perrin, etc.) except Nyneave. But I agree that it would help to see him less on his knees and more in fighting. I don't think that we will have to deal with a weak Rand from season 3 onwards 🙂

@samuelabraham9026

10 ай бұрын

@@Rattatoskr hope they rectify that in later seasons,I have not read the books but from what I heard he is supposed to have a lot of raw power I wanted to see that I least once in this season