If I took a shot for every drama that Vizziepop found herself in, I wouldn't be drunk, I'd die of alcohol poisoning.

@ludameri1384

4 ай бұрын

That is very Husk coded of you

@feIidays

4 ай бұрын

If I did this but with cigarettes, my lungs would probably have caved into my chest

@WhosMeh

4 ай бұрын

You'd die from the "Poison"

@Pessoa322

4 ай бұрын

True.

@jackolson1758

4 ай бұрын

@@WhosMeh😂

I find this insane. Viv just needs to stay off social media at this point.

@Just_marii

4 ай бұрын

That's not gonna work, she can stay off for a whole month and they'll still be complaining about her.

@thewritingrowlet2980

4 ай бұрын

That would make those dumbasses think they won

@ripvanwinkle6557

4 ай бұрын

Probably for the best. This month is probably going to be a storm for her.

@abstraction6212

4 ай бұрын

​@@thewritingrowlet2980 well yeh let em celebrate then as time goes on when Vivs gone they'll forget about her.

@thewritingrowlet2980

4 ай бұрын

@@abstraction6212fair, fair

Well, as a gay male sex worker who's experienced sa as well, I fucking loved Poison. Some of those lyrics were absolutely written by someone who's been in that same emotional place. (My experience was with a sugar daddy rather than a pimp, but since I'm disabled and cannot work I identify with Angel's helpless reliance.) I like the character.

@user-re9ju7uc3q

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely was the same situation. And I really like that someone is speaking it out. ❤ I really adore angel as a character !

@adamiel_warning

4 ай бұрын

as a trans man pansexual who is trying to escape sex work and survival of constant SA, who also had pimps in the past, same here... actually I relate to much with Angel in that way and the feeling of being helpless and feeling without escape like if there's no other way or that all my value is this... Actually that's the reason he becomes my principal comfort character (also I relate to you, I can't work in common works, I'm always rejected for being autistic and it's hard... is worst 'cause I'm venezuelan and my country is a total mess)

@Henrywatterson21

4 ай бұрын

oh MY GOD I DON'T CARE

@Ash_Carnelian

4 ай бұрын

​@@Henrywatterson21Then don't comment? The fuck?

@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoon

4 ай бұрын

You people are walking stereotypes lmao.

As an SA victim myself, with someone almost just like the "addict" Val, I was actually looking forward to watching the 4th episode. Not every victim heals and copes the same way but a lot of victims turn to BDSM and content like this because being an SA victim creates a lot of confusing and unwanted feelings toward the person, otherwise known as "the fawn response". They feel like they need the person in some cases. Watching shows, reading books, consuming media with characters built around SA feels like you get to explore the worst side of your feelings in a safe environment. It is known if psychiatric professional circles to be healing, having the chance to explore things like R* and noncon with a safe word in the bedroom with someone you trust. I am still looking forward to the episode, I have no opinion on it yet because IT HASN'T COME OUT YET. I'll update this and let you know on Friday. Update: The episode was absolutely a healing episode for victims. Just be warned that they portray things pretty well so it hits hard.

@genesisknight9948

4 ай бұрын

With your line about the whole 'victim getting into kinky stuff while trying to cope' I can confirm that is what I did. Now I wasn't assaulted, but was taken advantage of because of my low-self esteem at the time. Plenty of things I sent that disgusted even me, but they told me I was beautiful so I kept at it. And when eventually the full weight of what I was doing came crashing down on me and I wound up having a breakdown in front of my mom at like 3am, telling her everything. And I swore to myself I would never do it again. But I found myself going back to online games for the exact same shit that I had bawled my eyes out over. At the time I wasn't sure at all why I went back, but now I know its cause while I knew it was wrong, it got me some form of 'positive' attention, which is what I really craved in the end. This all went down when I was a minor btw, but I lied about my age so I still have no idea if that makes me partially responsible or not.

@Lair_in_Limbo

4 ай бұрын

Im sorry these things happened to you. We all heal in our own ways. Keep fighting your battles.@@genesisknight9948

@unryles

4 ай бұрын

people need to stop speaking for every single victim ever, bc of course people are allowed to be uncomfortable with it but like... not everyone is the same person and the show and execution just isnt for you yk??

@Lair_in_Limbo

4 ай бұрын

@@unryles the way I see it is, if you have truama and you don't like that kind of content, simply don't watch it. You don't have to try to cancel it for everyone else.

@snorlaxkeychain728

4 ай бұрын

Womp womp. People in yt comments arent free therapists

Can we go ONE DAY without ONE vivziepop drama..?

@KaeyaLover-zg3vs

4 ай бұрын

Apparently not 🥲

@AbsoluteBicon

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I check Ayy's channel every day checking if anything blew up

@S.A.B294

4 ай бұрын

Yeah this is getting freaking ridiculous!

@novaii2724

4 ай бұрын

Apparently not. Twitter users are insane, always nitpicking on something

@amberhamato4953

4 ай бұрын

This is EXACTLY what I keep saying in almost every new Hazbin or Helluva drama video!!!!

This actually turns one of my criticisms originally on its head, I said Valentino was not shown as bad as compared to the Addict music video, but thanks to this my fears are laid to rest and I know that Valentino is going to be the villain he was supposed to, plus there has been much worse shown on television.

@parkerraines216

4 ай бұрын

People these days have the intelligence of a brick actually never mind the brick is more intelligent.

@009_Ghostly_Systematic

4 ай бұрын

Yep, I can recall the ones on morel orel and courage the cowardly dog.

@LadySingingWolf

4 ай бұрын

What little of the Poison dance was released on Twitter its not obvious that it is Val. TBH, it looks like a BDSM scene, which given Angel's profession, is expected.

@jat9926

4 ай бұрын

@@LadySingingWolf I said this in another comment I feel like all the people complaining forget this is HELL and Angel Dust is a Sex Worker working for one of the most dangerous overlords whose also a pimp. It’s not surprising Angel would find himself in situations like this ask irl sex workers who work for pimps how often this happens to them.

@sashawolfson3602

4 ай бұрын

​@@jat9926Exactly, It just passed through these idiot's heads and said "Oh, we can blame this on Vizi", Val is not a Good person! Of course, this would happen, especially if this kind of thing happens in real life.

I wish people would just wait for the full episode to release, this is just ridiculous. The hate for Viv and the show is SO overblown, so I understand her acting the way she has. I know it's hard to do, but I really hope she stops engaging with the drama.

@kuppikake5062

4 ай бұрын

I dont blame her for being definisive considering shes been working for years on this show. the haters are just ramping up speed right now because they know they will get attention right now with the show releasing soon.

@jojosparkels6962

4 ай бұрын

I havent seen the video yet but I have seen people talk about this, there is a cannon R@pe scene With Angel in Ep 4 and while I’m not sure how bad it is considering what happens later in that ep I do think there should be a warning for that ep (though hate isn’t ok)

@NobodyUndefined

4 ай бұрын

@@kuppikake5062 Also she's been told she 'can't take criticism' since she was a teenager, she's probably done with it all.

@NobodyUndefined

4 ай бұрын

The crazy thing is that everyone is saying there was no trigger warning but I'm like dude, there probably will be when the show releases? Like fuck Amazon would let that episode go without a warning at the very least.

@Sun-zg9nf

4 ай бұрын

​@kuppikake5062 Agreed but its funny how ppl are so upset when we've known this was going to happen, its angels whole story and his main conflict. Also im p sure there will be a warning the clip was leaked its not even out yet

While I do think Viv needs to improve her writing in a few areas and deserves constructive criticism, she really doesn’t deserve all these years of hate. Like Ayy said, we need to see the episode itself before drawing a conclusion on whether or not it’s actually bad.

@Gothicluxury

4 ай бұрын

The tv show is STILL GOING TOO TOO MOVE ON FORWARD if people who like it or not can get over it if they don’t fucken like it then too bad

@liddytheweeb

4 ай бұрын

The problem is the majority of people being discussed here aren’t just giving valid criticism, they’re looking for excuses to not get torn apart for straight up saying they want to murder someone over a cartoon. It’s disgusting how many people are just searching for a reason to borderline threaten her with violence. Not to mention the leaps and jumps in assumptions they make to try and justify it like they know her and what she or anyone else working on the show have been through.

@insectostrich4407

4 ай бұрын

@@liddytheweeb Exactly. It’s one thing to criticise it’s a completely different thing to send f@*king death threats!

@2A_W3ND1G0

4 ай бұрын

​@@insectostrich4407Hold up. Death threats?

@insectostrich4407

4 ай бұрын

@@2A_W3ND1G0 I know right?! All because Viv used voodoo symbols for Alastor. Yes, it’s closed religion, but some people who are part of that culture have spoken out and said it’s not racist what Viv did.

This month feels like a field day of Vivziepop dramas

@paolocontegiacomo2509

4 ай бұрын

They are releasing the show, after all. It’s the most opportune time for haters to give all of themselves

@5Geass

4 ай бұрын

@@paolocontegiacomo2509 I've been seeing it as free blocks lol Don't need that kind of vitriol and hate on my feed.

@NightkeeperLunala

4 ай бұрын

It’s probably going to get a bit worse because of the whole verbalase thing

@paolocontegiacomo2509

4 ай бұрын

@@NightkeeperLunala Nah. I think that thing ‘till now only moved the attention from Viv to Verbalase

@diamundopetermiguel7483

4 ай бұрын

sincere... it's much better to ignore these Twitter people. This person just complains all the time. I would much rather they talk to the wall.

Every episode: has a warning for graphic, adult themes of violence, drug abuse sex etc etc The show: has graphic depictions of drugs sex and adult themes The Twitter “special” forces after a 15 second leak: 0_0 “how could she, what a horrible person, badly handled fetishised scene, I wish pain and death upon all related to the show”

@PumpkinTed

2 ай бұрын

It wasnt even the full scene! The full scene shows that its not fetishised

Fact that people are judging a 10 second LEAKED snippet is absurd. People really think they're sexualizing SA all because of the suggestive dancing, when they clearly don't know about Angel's story. At least wait until the full scene is out before you start forming opinions like these.

@starseekernate7244

4 ай бұрын

It’s just not the scene in itself. Vivziepop, when the lyric video came out said “I can’t wait till you all see the visual that cums with it.” As well as endorsing fan merch of sexual abuse victim, Angeldust being chained up. That in itself deserves criticism.

@jat9926

4 ай бұрын

Oh wait a 10 second CLIP?! Not even a whole scene?! Oh Jesus Christ In Christmas I hate people. Here I was thinking it was a whole GD SCENE leaked.

@koizen8600

4 ай бұрын

A person who publicly and openly fetishizes SA worked on that scene. Oh and Vivzepop supports this person and the fetish. It's a scene that's also handled horribly, so yeah.. I like Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, but these are not stupid reasons. I don't think people should be harassing others, but it's understandable that they're upset, including me.

@Comet346

4 ай бұрын

@koizen8600 If it’s so important then just don’t watch the show not that hard. Y’all complain like you’re forced to watch it. Anyways if the SA problem bothers you guys so much then go hate on the other people who support SA. And there was literally a trigger warning I don’t know how you guys not see it

@vivianneclaire

4 ай бұрын

@@koizen8600 No she doesn't. Like, are you for serious? Nearly every fan has their preferred ships, even ones that could be argued as questionable or unhealthy. Heck, despite Alastor be aroace, as well a cannibalistic and manipulative bastard, and Charlie in a committed relationship, many fans ship these two characters together. So Vivziepop hired someone with NSFW art, as well art of Angel Dust and Valentino, that doesn't mean that Vivzie supports such a relationship. Hell, she has already done quite a bit to show just how abusive their relationship is. Stop being dumb.

Wow a character who deals with SA and is a prostitute is being depicted as being assaulted? Damn that's crazy

@nakulemonadekitsune204

4 ай бұрын

dont tell people said character copes by making it into humour they'll flip!

@BrokenXDI

4 ай бұрын

@@nakulemonadekitsune204 oh my lord! I couldn't imagine such a thing

@stormkun6920

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, they’re losing their shit even though they aren’t victims of it and criticizing it without the context of the episode is just brainless, the whole context of that scene was because Angel had to work the WHOLE night doing different scenes for Val

@305backup

3 ай бұрын

Everyone missed the part where Charlie said Angel SAs people who walk into the hotel. Angel is not a victim, qngel does it to other people qs well thats the issue

@BrokenXDI

3 ай бұрын

@@305backup he does it because he's used to it, it's part of his whole character. Some people who are SA'd often become hypersexual or sexualize alot of things to cope Angel is one of these characters/people, he's done this for pretty much his whole life and afterlife so now he's used to it, we see him start to get better ish by the finale though so I hope he does improve!

I miss the early days of the internet where people just minded their own damn business and if they didn't like something, they just didn't engage with it.

@lermuer7105

4 ай бұрын

i feel like it's just popular to be a hater nowadays. truly a pathetic thing to be "proud" of. it's sad how society somehow made it "cool" though...

@TemperateBat1

4 ай бұрын

That’s because they had greater standards in place for moral judgement the previous gen. Nowadays people get too comfortable saying shit online and not getting thoroughly punished/ clowned on for it

@metadoe8168

4 ай бұрын

@@TemperateBat1 Not only that but people get clowned on for saying the tamest shit imaginable, but it's because they said they liked something that someone else thinks is stupid.

@TemperateBat1

4 ай бұрын

@@metadoe8168 yeah, it’s almost like they forgot what respect and common sense is. They are too immersed with their own preferences to bother learning how to be a genuinely good person. Pray these moments don’t happen to me though, because I’m just gonna go ham on their stupidity, and it isn’t a good feeling regardless. Amount of fucking idiots on this platform is beyond insane

@AirGoddess1087

4 ай бұрын

Same here! There's way too much hate and drama on the internet these days

HERES THE THING. As a victim of being around SA myself this representation is SUPPOSED to be bad. You know why BECAUSE SA IS HORRIBLE! It’s probably showing the true harm it does. And a trigger warning is placed so you all are warned. IT’s acknowledged it’s a sensitive subject. But the subject has never once been taken lightly and viv shows this in addict. Please be respectful of this topic

@carolscarlette

4 ай бұрын

It's so hurtful and sad to see all these uninformed people try to silence art like this, virtue signalling and trying to speak on our behalf. It's exhausting and It makes me want to give up on the Hellaverse. I have a life to live and all this hate and backlash is not worth sticking around for. It's like all these people have nothing in their lives they love or celebrate, and all they want to do is spread hate.

@greenbeans9748

4 ай бұрын

Trigger warnings are actually extremely harmful and can make trauma responses worse for people, so I'm surprised Vizi is using them in the first place. I understand age ratings and universal disclaimers for everyone, but anyone who regularly sees a professional trauma therapist on a normal basis would be extremely against doing what Vizi did. My own work has heavy topics like self deletion and I've been through some stuff myself, but there's just a normal age rating for mature audiences and a vague description of what the war story is about. I think her heart is in the right place, but I don't think Vizi understands that what she's doing is counterproductive.

@floathiraeth

4 ай бұрын

Its not that the rep is seen as bad its that the way its shown is horribly handled. Its just playing in the background of a dance number while showing every graphic detail. Having a scene or flashback that depicts sa isnt inherently bad, its the fact that THIS is where they decide to put it is just the worst thing (also the storyboard artist has a r4pe fetish)

@fandomgirl_2.568

4 ай бұрын

@@floathiraeth true they shouldn’t put flashbacks in the middle of an upbeat song. We also don’t have the full scene of the song so maybe it plays out differently.

@floathiraeth

4 ай бұрын

@@fandomgirl_2.568 ive heard from people that it gets far worse

I am an SA survivor, and Angel has been a character I have heavily identified with. Is he perfect? No. Is the writing 100% flawless and the best depiction of SA out there? Also no. But its an important story to tell and I think Viv is doing the best she can. I appreciate the TW for episode 4 since I have a hard time with any form of media showing sa of any kind on screen, and I already know that I won't be able to watch it alone. I do think its a lot to ask of an audience to see a chatacter be assualted on screen, and I am just crossing my fingers its not only done for shock value. I think Addict did such a beautiful job of informing the audience of the situation without triggering survivors.

Viv is just the embodiment of controversy that doesn't deserve it but at the same time she's doing things that are a little dumb Um thanks for the likes! ALSO WHAT THE FU- THERE ARE SO MANY COMMENTS Ok so um for those saying that proshipping is bad please... stop. It's fine, it's fictional characters and often something out of ones control if I'm understanding correctly. Ship who you want with who they are NOT real characters and it's not the end of the world if you ship something another person finds weird. I'm trying to cover all bases but theres a lot of replies and I'm tired af so I might have missed a lot

@sarcophiliac

4 ай бұрын

A little dumb? Like hiring and supporting actual proshippers? Idk man

@user-wx8ic2iv3d

4 ай бұрын

Didn't she draw beatisality?

@vivianneclaire

4 ай бұрын

@@sarcophiliac Seriously? Nearly every fan has their preferred ships, even ones that could be argued as questionable or unhealthy. Heck, despite Alastor being aroace, as well as a cannibalistic and manipulative bastard, with Charlie in a committed relationship with Vaggie, many fans ship Alastor and Charlie together. So Vivziepop hired someone with NSFW art, as well art of Angel Dust and Valentino, that doesn't mean that Vivzie supports such a relationship. Hell, she has already done quite a bit to show just how abusive their relationship is.

@chichiro8625

4 ай бұрын

@@sarcophiliac Sry but rape fetishes are totally normal. Im a SA survivor and have one myself. Many survivors do in fact. No one claims Val and Angel to be a healthy ship but its something many abuse victims find comfort in.

@adamkean2243

4 ай бұрын

@@chichiro8625 bro

Can we make a petition to have Twitter banned? Cause this harassment is just wrong

@ScruffyGamerAnimations

4 ай бұрын

this world would genuinely be better without twitter

@gatchywatchyentertainmentb2090

4 ай бұрын

@@AnimationYTSTyeah

@lightyearpig12

4 ай бұрын

No need. Elon Musk is already scaring everyone out as is.

@Goovdluck687

4 ай бұрын

When Tumblr banned p0rn, those people moved to Twitter. Banning Twitter would move those people to somewhere else.

@TiredLazyFish_

4 ай бұрын

exactly!!!

The most positive reaction to Hazbin I’ve seen this week is the Verbalase Charlie animation bankruptcy

@collinkeyser6827

4 ай бұрын

Well Collider Says The Show Is "Sinfully Good" 👍

@brawler5760

4 ай бұрын

Already the funniest story this year

These people: VIV CANT TAKE CRITICISM!!! Sends her literal death threats and animal abuse videos. Me: Ah yes criticism

@QuincyQuinn95

4 ай бұрын

@@e92312 which is a criticism, sure, but also completely subjective (personally I disagree outside of a couple choices) and it's like... ok and? that's not what she's tweeting about.

@PlanetEarth1369

4 ай бұрын

@@e92312 There may be more people saying genuine constructive criticism than people just straight up bashing it, but humans are naturally predisposed to pay more attention to negative stimuli, so we perceive it to be greater than it is. This is especially true in this case, since a lot of this negativity is vocal, prevalent, and often spills over to outright harassment. Again, the number of genuine criticism or outright love and positive engagement may outnumber the negativity, but the negativity is omnipresent and often drags people in with no warning.

@Helloandwelcome55

4 ай бұрын

@@e92312That’s some incredibly shallow criticism, how can anyone improve if all they get is “me no like”

@Helloandwelcome55

4 ай бұрын

@@e92312 Well they definitely do, yeah not as heavy as the some the guys and still not giving any advice on how to change that. This does not give people an excuse to harass Viv her employees or fans of the show. You can give criticism without defaulting to “you can’t do it” and maybe actually explain your point instead of leaving people guessing.

@Helloandwelcome55

4 ай бұрын

@@e92312 where did you hear that now?

I was groomed and SA’d. The trauma made me hypersexual, and have a personality I’d otherwise not have. In my teen years I was *just* like Angel and he’s become such a comfort for me. If you haven’t been SA’d or manipulated in the same way Angel has, you have no right to comment on his character. It’s downright disgusting and invalidates the survivors that relate with him on lots of levels. Leave the spider boy alone. He’s a damn character in a show.

@jpmaybe01

3 ай бұрын

I agree. And I am sorry this happened to you. I hope you are in a mentally better place now.

@305backup

3 ай бұрын

So having gone through that, you think its fair to depict angel sexually harassing other people just because angel has trauma? In one ep Charlie says to angel "you harrqss everyone that comes in th hotel" so you think its okay for Vivzie to depict SA victims commiting SA and SH just because they went through it? I feel like she crossed a line into dangerous content. People will see that and say "oh if youve been through sexual trauma its normal to force your trauma on others and do to them ehat others did to you"

@BumBunnyGacha

3 ай бұрын

@@305backup I think honestly it’s an accurate depiction in SOME cases. It definitely shouldn’t be encouraged or glorified, and I don’t like the way how she makes it humorous. I feel like she should take it into account as another one of his problems that need to be fixed. Sometimes SA victims will repeat the actions of their manipulators in order to feel some kind of control. In order to relive their experiences in a different way, to see why it happened to them. But it definitely should not be made into a lighthearted joke. I feel like she did okay with Husk yelling at him and calling him out for it. For making him uncomfortable on purpose. But that’s just my opinion.

@Speedoodleman

3 ай бұрын

@@305backup many victims have said they feel hypersexual because it’s their way of coping, I wouldn’t be surprised if their way of coping made some others uncomfortable aswell. It’s even more different when his entire job is based around being over-sexual because his way of coping is essentially never not being the persona he uses for his job

If she doesn’t delete her Twitter, then she’ll never truly be free of that mess.

@Direwolf181

4 ай бұрын

Or hire someone to manage her social media

@noahbutler7057

4 ай бұрын

Dream hired someone, but even then it backfired

@Gothicluxury

4 ай бұрын

She doesn’t have too delete her Twitter if she doesn’t want too too bad get over it she doesn’t have too if she doesn’t want too

@Direwolf181

4 ай бұрын

@@Gothicluxury Viv Herself in the video os writing about how she needs and wants to leave Twitter if only for mental health

@Huppa3333

4 ай бұрын

There is no guarantee the hate won't follow her, already in her new insta accounts there are hecklers bringing up the pay nonsense. Plus, the biggest base of fans is on Twitter, and leaving would alienate them and give the antis validation to hate her and ramp up defamation.

I’m so unbelievably angry that after 4-8 years of waiting for Hazbin were crushed by all of this shit. Helluva Boss is when things started to pick up the paste on the backlash but as SOON as the first trailer came out literally it’s been NON STOP and all on Twitter I personally think it’s all BS and literally got called racist, transphobic ect because some idiot on twitter thought she was those things and their mentality is guilt by association and then they tried taking tweets I made out of anger out of context

@SavagePassion666

4 ай бұрын

I get called that on the regular for saying basic bitch shit. Like oh I don't know--wait until the episode comes out fully before making a judgment on the matter. I'm very tired and I can't imagine how Vivienne handles it.

@kuppikake5062

4 ай бұрын

Id suggest staying off twitter for the time being.

@randomdude5718

4 ай бұрын

Bro, theres trans demons in those shows. Sallie May is trans demon from what I heard. I clearly don't understand how some twitter users are like this. (Sallie May is a smash to be honest)

@SavagePassion666

4 ай бұрын

@@randomdude5718 Man I don't know, it was something about storyboarders getting into shit with Vivzie or something. There's just so much histrionic horseshit out there now it's almost impossible to tell what the hell's going on at any point.

@YesePulido4488

4 ай бұрын

Literally just in some comments on her Instagram account, a retarded and stupid person told me that she was transphobic and was a SA fetishist and non-con, I mean, do they even see Helluva Boss? Do they even know about the friendship between Morgana and Vivziepop? Do they even stop to analyze things and not take them out of context without having good sources? They just do it to hate her more or what? 😐😑

This is so stupid. Viv is portraying a SA survivor’s traumatic experience. As far as I know, it’s being portrayed as something horrible. I saw the four second clip and I concluded that I didn’t see enough of it to form an opinion. No one else should either. Portraying sexual assault is not a bad thing if it’s being taken seriously. Hating on Viv for just portraying a sexual assault in her show and making death threats against her because of it are some of the most despicable and stupid things I’ve ever heard of. Calling her a horrible person just for being friends with someone into a controversial ship is stupid. These people need to get off the Internet and move on with their damn lives already. No wonder Viv is leaving Twitter. She’ll be better off without the drama.

@arisu_6635

4 ай бұрын

I mean people being upset that there is a big posibility and even some proof that the person who made the animation boards for a SA scene is into sa, like that is kind of weird. And many SA victims say they don't feel comfortable with this. I think people should wait till the episode is out, but some criticism is quite valid.

@takuknight3598

4 ай бұрын

@@arisu_6635 The person who boarded the scene is also an SA victim and so is Viv

@LovelyLanternZz

4 ай бұрын

@@takuknight3598 dont they have an SA kink…???

@Sn00pyStanley

4 ай бұрын

@@takuknight3598 dont..they ship angel x valentino?

@RammyRiot

4 ай бұрын

@@arisu_6635well I think fantasizing noncon between two made up characters and actually condoning SA are two completely different things. Plenty of people have noncon kinks and would never condone SA or gr@pe in the slightest. Most people who are into that act out consensual nonconsent with their partners, role play basically. Just cuz they have a strange kink doesn’t immediately mean they condone something so sinister irl

At this point, I'm not taking any Vivziepop-related "controversy" stuff seriously anymore. It's always something. And a lot of the time, it's the fandom that's lost its mind. AGAIN.

@maxs-lz4pn

4 ай бұрын

Exactly at this point it's "vivzy sneezed without covering, how dare she" it's gotten so pointless and cruel that whole accounts have popped up that are there to trash on anything related to her just for views

I am a survivor of childhood SA and will say this... The way I handled my trauma through the years wasn't always healthy, but my non-con/rape fetish is something I have that lets me control something that happened to me in the past. It's awkward talking about that sexual part of myself because it's part of something deeper and some people I've told about it didn't take it well. I've been questioned on how legit my abuse was due to liking non-con, just another show of how shallow people can be because they think they're morally correct. Life isn't black and white, and how I came through my trauma doesn't make me a bad person. I hope the poison scene doesn't just turn it into "Oh yah non-con fetish woo" and I highly doubt Vivzie would allow a scene like that. I'm tired though, tired of people thinking those of us with non-con or rape fantasies are somehow lesser and worse people for it. I'm in control of my narritave now, and my abusers are rotting 6 feet under.

@randomdude5718

4 ай бұрын

Fetishes are fetishes, kinks are kinks. as long as it's not forced onto anyone, involves consent, is inside yours or your partners doors, and isn't anything to do with animals irl, I don't care about it, neither should anyone else, it's your thing and no one should care unless your partner or not. People who cry about someone else's fantasies are incest kids who hide behind screens and make their chairs beg for mercy.

@CARNATIONZ

4 ай бұрын

Same thoughts here as someone that went thru the same thing with the same non-con fantasy. I don’t think viv did this as some fetish but I’m still somewhat conflicted about it all..Just gonna have to wait until it’s fully released so I can judge it

@FJYoko-nl7yq

4 ай бұрын

It's terrible you had to go through that, but this is also why I think that showing Angel's abuse is a good idea, because it will show people that victims can show their trauma in several ways. There was a character in an anime I watch, Black Butler, who was SA'd, and people hated him for being a flirty and hypersexual character because they claimed that "that's not how people show trauma". The brain works differently for everyone, and so does trauma. I have abandonment trauma, and so I push people away and am also very clingy - contradictory, but some people might have a problem with it, saying I should be afraid to get close to anyone and push everyone away. But I don't, I cling to those I do trust, and I unfortunately trust very easily. Trauma is different for everyone, and people should just shut their mouths on stuff they didn't go through. For all we know, Angel could be an outlet on how Viv handles her own trauma. We don't know.

@lovelysakurapetalsyt

4 ай бұрын

Legit this. I vent my trauma in a creative way so it doesn't hurt people irl, but I also have so much trauma that, sometimes, seeing it on screen and seeing revenge happen is a type of catharsis

@NocturneJester

4 ай бұрын

The thing is it's probably not portrayed in the actual episode as something that the viewer is supposed to fetishize or like and it's already been implied in a past video. The whole Angel/Val thing has always been written to be dark or tragic.

She’s collecting controversies like trophies

@thewritingrowlet2980

4 ай бұрын

She should be proud of how many people hate her at this point

@JustALazyPerson

4 ай бұрын

Achievement: you’re hated by the entire internet

@summoner3653

4 ай бұрын

Nah more like pokemons

@Z_64is_iscool

4 ай бұрын

Blud she’s gonna have a 100% controversy completion speedrun

@luckyanimationideas2448

4 ай бұрын

​@@JustALazyPerson Elon Musk has too many of those achievements

This is a big part of the reason for why I’m always afraid to admit being a fan of VivziePop on twitter. I’m afraid of unwarranted harassment and being labeled as awful things. Like if I want to talk about either show with someone, I really need to fully trust them and know they aren’t gonna attack me for liking something.

@lermuer7105

4 ай бұрын

i am so grateful for not posting a lot of my opinions in english-speaking twitter because i am afraid to death of what unhinged people may have sent me in messages... i'm glad i left.

@D1EN0

4 ай бұрын

I feel so much sympathy for you. It disgusts me that people think if you love helluva boss/hazbin hotel youre automatically racist and transphobic, has twitter really gone that far to where people are SCARED to post their opinions? Yes, and i feel horrible. Im so sorry you feel this way.

@metademon

4 ай бұрын

I can’t say I’m a fan of her without being called a transphobic person. I don’t even understand where the transphobic stuff is coming from

@FJYoko-nl7yq

4 ай бұрын

Same. The only person I talk to about Hazbin and Helluva is the friend who introduced it to me. They're the only one I can trust not to attack me at this point. It's the same with a lot of fandoms at this point, as well. You can't do anything nowadays :/

@LoreCatan

4 ай бұрын

@@metademon I think it's because of a merch sale a little while ago for Helluva Boss, which included Millie's sister back when she was introduced. People considered that her merch was more "sexual" than the other characters, therefore she was fetishing trans people. I looked at it, and the other merch released with it, didn't find anything wrong with it. Didn't look out of place at all, literally most HB merch is sexual, idk what people expected. I think some people were mad that they put her in a bikini and the bulge was visible, but like come on, I'd go as far as to say that actually is pretty inclusive.

Hey, I'm a victim of SA and this is sickening!! I always loved the character of Angel Dust because I relate to him, but the fact of victim blaming in the Poison video is fucking stupid!! Saying "Oh, well he's dancing seductively so he's asking for it!" Is exactly what I was told for years. This is just sad!😢

@whocares605

4 ай бұрын

i can't tell which side ur arguing for, could you please explain?

@mite3959

Күн бұрын

And it doesn’t really say that, can you please explain?

Angel Dust is an SA and dometic abuse victim. This is representation for people who have been through similar trauma. Anyone who cannot see it for what it is has clearly never been through any kind of similar experience. Guess what, just because you don't acknowledge the monsters in the room does not mean that they are not there. Valentino is not a ship for Angel, he is a violent, controlling trafficer in a position of power.

@frostedflakes3072

4 ай бұрын

wow, u need 2 reword that jesus christ

@sylvianimates

3 ай бұрын

erm!!

The viv controversies are never going to stop at this rate

@SpringyGirl69

4 ай бұрын

This is starting to get less like controversies, and more like harassment. Like I’m sorry, but this is too much 💀

@katylepetsos7512

4 ай бұрын

And it’s probably only gonna get worse once Hazbin is finally released to the world.

Sending someone who enjoy's vivizepop's work, death threats and the BLENDER CAT video is just horrible.

@lordcheesedevil

4 ай бұрын

Yeah like How do these people think they're doing a good thing ?

People want to hate Viv. A young women who followed her passion and turned it into a job that many many people admire how is that a bad thing.

So Angel gets onscreen assaulted but South Park had Indiana Jones assaulted onscreen some years ago and also received controversy. Viv also stated before that she gets things from South Park. I think Hazbin/Helluva is more akin to South Park right now. However, I believe a trigger warning would benefit at the start of every episode. Or she could just put up the middle finger like Trey and Matt did and make what she wants

@QuincyQuinn95

4 ай бұрын

if it's anything like Helluva Boss, there will literally be a disclaimer at the start of each video...

@Creatorsan

4 ай бұрын

@@QuincyQuinn95 Yeah. Like how Helluva Boss warned their audience about the sexual themes and VERY HORNY DEMONS. (Emphasis on horny in some episodes.) I'd imagine this would be the same for Angel Dust centric episodes of Hazbin Hotel.

@Gothicluxury

4 ай бұрын

I say put up the middle finger and a warning just in case

@Creatorsan

4 ай бұрын

@@Gothicluxury Emphasis on the middle finger. Watch at your own risk kind of thing. Or, as fanfiction calls it "Dead dove do not eat." (The content in the piece of media/fic is may be disturbing to some readers/veiwers and it's a 'You know what you're getting into' type of deal. This tag is only on fics with extremely graphic content matter in them of various kinds.")

@rinyaskyline

4 ай бұрын

​@@QuincyQuinn95Well, the episodes have come out now and the only thing distinctively different between the episode where Poison debuts versus the rest of the episodes is that it's 18+ instead of 16+ with the usual tiny warnings at the very top. Personally, I still don't think it's handled fantastically, but it was in no way glamorizing it. Rather it went more for a "yes you're very fucked up and that's horrible but guess what so are other people so let's lean on each other a little" which could've benefited from a few more days in the writing room. It did give us an insane Husk and Angel duet though.

I just finished watching this episode and it IS very explicit. It deals with some very dark subject matter and has a quite serious tone. The way the Twitter kids talk about it you’d think it was trying to be cute and quirky about it. Which is not the case at all. Also- no 14 year old has any place in watching this series especially this episode. Therefore any 14 year old opinions aren’t valid.

I do agree that Viv *is* taking these controversies like a middle schooler, but then again the hate is so unwarranted??? She's collecting this bs like pokemon cards and is handling it in the most awful way possible to where it would really be better if she just either took a break off the internet or just stopped addressing every damn negative opinion like it's the end of the world

@Comet346

4 ай бұрын

Agree, she can’t handle drama that well and the people sending threats to her and harassing her just don’t stop and it seems pretty annoying. Viv should honestly not post really anything on her account and like you said respond to the drama.

@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop

4 ай бұрын

I get it though. Twitter is a cesspool of toxic people just aggressively arguing back and forth. I stopped using my account bc I can't help myself but respond over and over. It sucks you in and the toxicity spreads like a virus. Maybe she should do the same.

Vic does not need this like she’s made the dream of having her own official show just for people to leak and harass her for it

@Bunni524

4 ай бұрын

Agreed. Like she achieved the goal that many artists dream of.

@goldensaiyan4

4 ай бұрын

Welcome to the internet

@rubyy.7374

4 ай бұрын

@@Bunni524 That’s exactly why they’re trying to tear her down. They’re mad to see somebody that’s not them reach their dream and do what they love.

@notseen9

4 ай бұрын

🤓👆

I'm wondering if the people making these complaints consume fiction that isn't super happy fun lighthearted fluff. This is not the first time I've encountered fiction that deals with sexual assault.

@kuppikake5062

4 ай бұрын

right? like Ive literally read books with sa in it. its not a new topic to put in media. people are just trying everyting they can to throw hate because the shows coming out soon

@greenamber9827

4 ай бұрын

@@kuppikake5062 How much do you want to bet that these people would freak out alig they watched Law and Order: SVU?

@BB_Azurite

4 ай бұрын

These people would die from scrolling the ao3 homepage.

@kimuires

4 ай бұрын

No genuinely I’ve seen some really awful sa stuff on TV and it comes out of nowhere and never is treated with grace or approached by the victims side. It’s always how everyone *else* reacts. At least Viv makes it about ANGEL

@rubyy.7374

4 ай бұрын

The thing that INFURIATES me is that whenever there’s a bland, milquetoast show that does meet all these people’s “parameters,” they’re not interested. I think they’re just hypocrites who either secretly like the thing they pretend to hate or like equally problematic bs. They can’t create, only destroy.

I honestly feel bad for viv bcs Hazbin Hotel is already a great show i dont see why people cant just talk about things calmly or literally just stay out of it and keep the hate to themselves

@tanguyassimon8331

4 ай бұрын

so true

@leady208

4 ай бұрын

Because they hate Vivzie, and, because of that, they will do everything to injure her image and convince people to think like them.

@katylepetsos7512

4 ай бұрын

It’s like Kindness is dying

@randomdude5718

4 ай бұрын

@@katylepetsos7512 People think being rude and mean is 'cool' nowadays. But some people, like me and others are still kind. I don't know why but being rude and stuff can land you in deep shit in the long run. People who have that mentality of being rude is 'cool' are clearly in special grade to be honest and want that unavailable attention they're parents never gave.

@lrkeribergaard6110

4 ай бұрын

yeah...

It's really a simple concept. This stuff was much more than implied for Angel's story since the Pilot. He's basically a trafficking victim, kept too high to really notice or care until the buzz wears off. It's pretty important for his character that the audience is aware of his backstory, brutality and all.

@AviationJeremy

4 ай бұрын

Especially since Addicted was released. His situation hasn’t exactly been a secret.

I hate these people. They're basically attacking someone for doing there job and producing something to make people happy. Im glad that theres more people who love her content (my self included) than the trolls who basically want to ruin her life. I hope it all stops at some point, It probably won't but hey one can hope.

I literally deleted Twitter because of all this drama especially the incredibly stupid tweets that'd always appear on my timeline with 20k likes for some reason

Although I'm upset at all of this, I'm going to form my final opinion when the episode about Angel does comes out. All I have to say is that if the episode has SA poorly depicted or portrayed, then criticism will be rightfully deserved.

@chichiro8625

4 ай бұрын

I saw it and it really isnt. It shows the harsh reality but nowhere its portrayed as something good

@iiomqfaderz

4 ай бұрын

@@chichiro8625 from what ive seen, people are more mad about the fact that she made a pun (saying "come" as "cum") when referring to the song attached to the scene

@Gay4545

4 ай бұрын

​@@chichiro8625I mean just cuz it's showed as a bad thing, doesn't make the depiction of it good Sometimes showing it raw can come across really weird and it's all about the way it's written. I haven't watched it yet do icant form an opinion but just putting this out here bc from what u said, there isn't much to go off on

@artsypanda2435

4 ай бұрын

I mean, if anything the 10 sec. snippet just shows how exploitative and toxic the porn industry is.

@kuppikake5062

4 ай бұрын

viv did say the show was gonna be heavy. @@chichiro8625

6:04 Okay, her post at the top should truly be the only thing that matters here because it's so true. Lots of SA survivors respond with hypersexuality as a way to take the power back (if you want an example, the KZreadr Kat Blaque has videos on it). Angel isn't "portrayed badly" because he's not crying and and collapsing in a corner- he's portrayed as coping differently. It makes me so fucking mad when people respect some survivors more than others because of the way they respond to their trauma. It's also important to mention that Angel is still in the middle of this abusive situation. It is not uncommon for people in those situations to put up heavy fake personas of joy in order to hide their pain from themselves. To anyone watching this shit go down and feeling guilt over their actions, let me say this. The only wrong way to respond to being sexually assaulted is to sexually assault someone else. That's it, that's the list. If you never want to have sex again, you are valid. If you only want to have sex with people with similar experiences to you, you are valid. And if you want to have sex with anyone and everyone, you are valid. None of those reactions diminish your trauma or your strength.

If people can't handle dark topics, then they should stay away from this show. Cause the creators told us it was gonna be much darker than helluva boss

@ray-boi1351

3 ай бұрын

That's what I'm saying

Viv has finally reached her dream for Hazbin Hotel and all that she has been getting is hate. I really feel bad for her. She doesn’t deserve the hate.

Not gonna lie, I really hope these controversies don't effect the show's performance as a whole. Viv doesn't deserve it.

CAN WE NOT HAVE A CONTROVERSY FOR 5 MINUTES

@lightlysaltedkiwi3672

4 ай бұрын

It's not even controversy at this point, it's just idiots blowing literally nothing out of proportion hoping to get vivzie and her show canceled through rage bait

@adamk-paxlogan7330

4 ай бұрын

@@lightlysaltedkiwi3672 i agree

@maxs-lz4pn

4 ай бұрын

Tell that to the edgy twitter tweens that have an aneurysm every time vivzy breathes

I think some of those people can’t grasp the reality that SA is an uncomfortable topic to talk about no matter how it’s represented, especially to the survivors. I haven’t seen the scene yet cus it has yet to come out on Prime, but from what I’ve seen in this video it seems like they don’t want Viv to help us understand instead their probably taking those clips out of context & making worse than it actually is.

Ok but can we all just take a minute to thank you for putting so much time and effort into making these drama vids?? 😭😭

@driveknightopm

4 ай бұрын

Fr, there is a new Vivziepop drama every hour. Gotta respect the grind.

@Ziz-The-Fox

4 ай бұрын

@@driveknightopmong

@alexis_mako

4 ай бұрын

its content for him, gotta respect it. but its also saddening once you realize it

Why twitter user cant go 1 week without hating vivziepop

I thought Angel was handled really well in episode 4 tbh, it portrayed his situation as very nuanced and complicated like these types of relationships tend to be. It’s not just “Valentino is an evil bad guy who is always evil and mean and Angel is fully aware of how bad the relationship is but chooses to stay”, it instead shows Valentino frighteningly realistic in that he can act lowkey and even displays love bombing behavior that many abusers have but turning angry and violent on a dime. Angel deep down understands what’s happening is bad for him but he’s also conflicted due to Val being his employer and also providing Angel with “love” and affection at times. I think at this point people are reaching for reasons to hate on Vivzie and Hazbin Hotel. It’s just getting sad at this point and if these people truly don’t like Viv or her work, then they should just block her and be mature about it.

Don’t hate me but I have to congratulate Viv for this, you’ve all seen how much bullshit people throw her way but she still keeps moving forward. Props to Viv

@billybobjoe2755

4 ай бұрын

Yes, I've always thought it was incredible how she could just keep going!

@Sly-Moose

4 ай бұрын

Nah, dw, you've got a sane head on your shoulders and understand that context matters. 👍

Hazbin/Helluva community try not to have controversy challenge. (Impossible)

Viv is criticising the sw industry and portraying the reality of what happens in her work. It’s supposed to be hard to watch, because it’s hard to experience. People really need to gain some media literacy before jumping to conclusions lmfao

@nakulemonadekitsune204

4 ай бұрын

congrats! you. have a brain. unlike the snowflakes that cant take even the slightest dark themes, but fall in love with edgy creepy pasta stuff behind closed doors lmao

People are so quick to be mad over the smallest shit. Like Viv said, the whole episode isn't even out yet. People want to jump to conclusions and assume the worst about everything. At least wait for the full episode so there is CONTEXT to what is being shown. This is ridiculous. I love both Helluva Boss and Hazbin hotel, and all the hate is extremely unfounded and grasping at straws. People need to take a step back and piss off.

The fact people are complaining about a inappropriate scene ON AN ADULT FREAKING SHOW, these people man 😔 Even saying bad things to Viv like “When I have rocks to throw and Viv is in throwing range” and “When I wake up and realize Viv is still alive” , these people seriously should get off the internet 0:27 also how dare these people say Vox’s and Alastors design are nothing (I really love Voxs design)

@lordcheesedevil

4 ай бұрын

Seriously people saying shit like that makes me like what if your mother Knew you said that would you be so brave To say shit like that in public?

@SpectraDragon

4 ай бұрын

@@lordcheesedevil Fr 💀

@marisolmartinez5097

4 ай бұрын

I’m so happy he’s animated now! I’ve been seeing fanart of him for a while, but seeing him in action is so much better. That goes with the other characters too ^^

As someone from the future who watched the episode and got triggered by the episode i can honestly tell you that as someone who has been SH SA and GROOMED by four different people who had nothing to do with each other… i feel like this episode NEEDED TO HAPPEN! so many people don’t understand what poison is about… I DIDNT UNDERSTAND!!! and if they didn’t go that hard what happened after “maybe if I’m broken then I wouldn’t be his favorite toy anymore.” That line “so far beyond difficult to resist another gulp” I didn’t understand… I thought… I thought it was the addiction that Val kept using drugs to keep Angel calm… but no… it’s learned helplessness… something I know… something i have experienced… if they didn’t show us how GRAPHIC AND NOT OK it was that song has so many ways of being thought of. Addicted feels like “just get through this just get through this” while poison is that fall. That realization that no matter what he does he CANT ESCAPE THIS. And loser is the bottom of the pit he’s in. I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED IT!!! and it wouldn’t have hit as hard… wouldn’t have made its point if it wasn’t triggering. Husk says it best “but knocking walls down it can sometimes set you straight we’re all living in the same sh*t sandwich.” You have to understand why… HOW BAD it is for you to truly feel like how he has treated Charlie, accepting getting drugged. And still being this f*ck boi… because it can and does happen… especially after you have been fed that much “poison” you develop an “appetite” and it makes you hate yourself… And what’s funny is I wasn’t triggered by the graphic imagery…. I was triggering by the dancing in chains… and Angel looking at Val like he was a snack before it cut to all the ways angel had to preform for Val…. Because what is especially triggering… isn’t the graphics when you have been fed that poison the way angel has… it’s the stupid chains deciding what is and isn’t appropriate or acceptable… you are their plaything… you dance for them… sit still for them… or take it for them… however they want… whenever they want… it doesn’t matter what you want… just as long as they are satisfied…

That's one of the things I hate the most about the hatedum, at the beginning of first it was reasonable and had fair criticism. But once the viv atans came in talk about the show's Creator and the show itself in bad faith and unfair criticism. Which pretty much makes it hard to find good constructive criticism and instead you just have to think if it's "oh this guy is being bick and talking in bad faith" to "oh this guy has same good points and have sum good constructive criticism. This whole situation just sucks man and i hope viv and the team are going well.

If people are going to get mad at stuff like the 'poison scene', grow up and remember that all of this *is* in Hell of all places. It's not heaven, it's not some magical paradise, it's a cruel and sadistic Hell with demons.

@XxFlamexX14

4 ай бұрын

And besides that, there's also lots of other shows that show graphic stuff like that. Hazbin isn't the first one

@jat9926

4 ай бұрын

EXACTLY. And Angel Dust is a Sex Worker who is the favorite of the most dangerous pimp in all of Hell. People think being Valentinos favorite means Angels life is cupcakes and puppy dogs? No!

@marisolmartinez5097

4 ай бұрын

Exactly! Also, she’s going to portray it in a negative and dark light because it is something negative and dark.

@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello

3 ай бұрын

So... if the show features CP, its ok right? because it's in hell, right?

@jat9926

3 ай бұрын

@@iamrightoutsideyourwindowhello why do you immediately go to CP?

Just watched it with my trans wife who is an SA survivor and who also went through a very self destructive, not valuing herself period like Angel Dust. She said the episode was amazing and these people need to shut the fuck up.

As an angel dust fan this drama makes me sad 😢

I missed all the drama but having seen the whole ep as an SA survivor myself, it felt very authentic and I cried with sympathy for Angeldust. These are hard topics, and music has a way of expressing emotion in ways that other mediums can't. It can be cathartic to see something I've been through reflected in the eyes of another (even through the lens of animation) and realize how far I've come. I wish everyone peace and I'm sure V. had no intent to cause harm or make light of SA.

Tbh any controversy of hazbin hotel/helluva boss sounds like either misunderstandings or just the fandom being plain stupid.

This is extremely sad, I feel extremely bad for Vivzie for all the hate, and she should definitely take a break from Twitter, or social media all-together.

As I said before, just ignore them they are either trying to get attention for themselves or just jealous.

It’s like some people don’t understand that kink and fetish are usually formed during childhood, what people grew up around, or traumatic events they have gone through. Soo.. for example- (there are many reactions to abuse,, so this isn’t all people, some may have the opposite reaction, but,) someone who was a victim of CSA and/or CSEM, or even sexual abuse as an adult, might end up with a rape/non-con kink. They may write about, draw, animate, or consume others work about rape/non-con pairings in order to help process trauma. There’s also a major difference between fiction and reality. None of these characters are real, and nobody real is being hurt when you draw/write/animate/consume fictional content of ANY variety. It could be this, it could be the worst torture-rape-porn you’ve ever seen in your life. If its purely fictional, nobody was hurt in the making. Someone with trauma doesn’t even need to write it for it to be valid and okay. It’s like people don’t get the concept of roleplay in bed, or the entirely real separation of fiction vs reality. It seems like people like these would get mad at a couple doing rape rp in bed with a safe word because it gets both of them off. These people should not be watching Hazbin Hotel and the point kind of totally flies over their head. Just because someone has fantasies about rape (about raping someone or being raped) doesn’t mean they want to hurt someone or be hurt in real life. I speak entirely from experience, as a child I was groomed and as an adult I found myself with non-con and ravishment play kinks. Would I ever want to be assaulted for-real, in real life? No- of course not. But the dynamic is fun to fantasize about, to write about, to put my blorbos in. Everybody tortures their blorbos, my way of doing it just happens to be widely socially unacceptable than the other ways people do it. That’s why characters like fucken Angel Dust exist. Also Angel being a “stereotypical gay man” is so far off the fucking mark I can’t even. The person posting was just mad that Angel wasn’t THEIR brand of gay. As a trans gay man who presents femininely, struggles with alcohol, and was in an abusive controlling relationship where I was totally helpless to change anything about it, I relate to Angel. Hard.

@Sly-Moose

4 ай бұрын

I'm the kind to write about it. I keep second guessing myself like, "How do so many of my characters end up being SA survivors? Am I horrible for writing this? Oh god, I hope I'm not romantising it. Do I have a problem?" And I keep having to remind myself that, no, it's cuz it's how I flippin cope with my own shiz.

@Sly-Moose

4 ай бұрын

Also I read somewhere that when someone fantasises about SA fantasy where they're the one receiving, it's not that they legitimately WANT to be SA'd. It's because they want to be ravaged. Is how the article put it.

I liked the actual episode (as a coercion-based SA survivor myself) but I agree that there should have been a more detailed trigger warning at the beginning of the episode. Having the same one pre-roll every ep makes the whole point of it moot, and I think adding something to the effect of “graphic scenes of sexual assault will be depicted in this episode” would have been much better.

Indignation is an intoxicating drug. Anger and drama are legitimately addictive, and social media gives people a soap box in which they can express that righteous outrage. I have no idea if the Hazbin Hotel handles a storyline involving a sexual assault victim well, I won't know until I have watched the full show and seen it within the context it was meant for. But, based on everything else I have seen that Vivienne has made, she seems like an emphatic person who wouldn't approach a subject for crass reasons. I doubt it matters for the people being most vocal, though. They're just looking for that next hit to ride

"None of it is handled with tact" I'm sorry, but what the fuck were you expecting? A cherub to fly in and give a PSA or encourage everyone to consider each other's feelings? A slide show about the evils of abuse? Help me out here, people. I mean TW for abuse and SA obviously (as well as spoilers) As someone who's been a victim of both regular assault and SA that scene is painful to watch, but that's because it's real. It's not a hard slap, a "remember your place," then a single tear, and scene. It's the real fucking McCoy. It's the first hit and the second hit and the third hit. It's the controlling behavior. It's getting hurt for shit that you didn't do, but shit that happened around you, because of a friend. They can't hit that person, but they can hit you so you know that they don't like what happened. The shit that makes you hyper-aware of everything that happens around you so you can head off any little thing that might get them mad. It's all the exploitation that comes with being an addict and a SWer on top of it all. That scene wasn't written to be tactful and sensitive it was written to be very brutally honest and the sheer number of people who have come out and said "I felt recognized when this scene happened" says enough. "As an SA victim, I disapprove" okay, sure. I'm sorry for what you went through, but you are not all of us and you don't fucking speak for all of us either. If it upsets you to see then don't watch it, but just know that when you trash on this scene and deride it, a lot of people saw themselves in that "tactless" scene that you got pissed about. Someone felt seen, like someone understood a deep and horrible pain that they held inside and that shit matters.

@faffywhosmilesatdeath5953

4 ай бұрын

Gods, all of this is so much worse when you actually slow down and realize that this all came from a leaked snippet of the scene. They saw 10 seconds and said "I certainly don't need context on this to have a very detailed opinion" I fucking hate people.

I love hazbin hotel and viv is my idol but im very sensitive to things like SA so for those who HAVE ACTUALLY watched the scene in the actual episode please tell me if any of this ACTUALLY happens. People blowing things out of proportion makes things so hard to actually make people feel safe on so many levels

@MrsCutieeCake

4 ай бұрын

I haven't seen the episode, but after we have seen a small snippet of what AD goes through at the end of Addict, then I believe it would actually occur.

@fallenking578

4 ай бұрын

I've seen it, the song and visuals are clearly made by Valentino to show his abuse of angel as less bad and then we see what angel actually goes through in his life and it's heartbreaking

@piffny6666

4 ай бұрын

@@fallenking578 alright thank you

As a gay person who is in an a relationship that was extremely toxic and dangerous I completely understand how Val and angel mix it mirrored how I felt that I couldn’t leave him even knowing he was bad for my health. After 8 months of therapy, counseling, AA, and support we are doing a lot better.

I was hoping you would cover this, as this is the first drama over the last 4 years where I'm like "oh damn, tf" Raph replied to someone saying he had a r*** fetish, so people are (understandably) upset that he worked on Poison I'm still gonna watch the show, and even though people are saying that the scene isn't done well, I'll wait to see it myself I'd say this is the first controversy where there actually is grey area, instead of just completely false allegations

I think ive come to realize what i loved about Helluva Boss S1s writing was Brandon Rogers' writing. When Vizie took over as sole writer for S2 the show tanked in quality.

@androidps1440

4 ай бұрын

finally someone is looking deep at it and say it

It’s never going to stop even if she off Twitter the people who are going after her are most I’ve seen are under age individuals who shouldn’t be on Twitter or people pretending to be who they aren’t finding ways to just go after viv I mean it’s just insane where it’s gotten but I’m really glad your video always help break down the situation honestly this is something we don’t need which this is exactly what NTSG leaks have caused along with his followers this is what they wanted which they are definitely proud of themselves for doing it it’s sad to see.

As an SA survivor and member of the LGBTQ+, you shouldn't ever gatekeep how people cope. People react to trauma in so many different ways and telling someone that they way that they deal with it is invalid is beyond disgusting, especially when you don't have the full context. Yes, I do think that things like Angel X Val are definitely morally questionable and would be better off if, idk, kept to a private Twitter account or a close circle of friends, but again, we don't have the full context so I won't say much beyond that. Also, everyone is entitled to their own opinions about how things like trauma and LGBTQ+ rep should be handled, because, again, nobody's experience with trauma or being LGBTQ+ is exactly the same and therefore shouldn't be treated as such. While I do agree that Viv isn't a saint, I certainly don't blame her for reaching a boiling point as of late. It's like people are TRYING to find every little excuse to hate her. She's definitely handling it better than most people would, that's for damn sure. Well done video as always, Ayy Lmao, keep on doing what you're doing! I definitely wouldn't know the half of what I know about Hazbin Hotel or Helluva Boss if it weren't for you.

I appreciate you making these videos! I started watching just to know the drama but now I get most of my news from you instead of going to her page myself. Twitter is just too much most of the time! I feel like I'm at a crossroads right now on if I'll even be able to watch this show I've been eager for. I loved the portrayal in the Addict music video and I actually felt the depth of his pain, but I personally may not be able to handle actually seeing something like that. If its graphic enough for her to make a whole post warning us then it may put me off from the whole thing. I've tried very hard to watch The Boys on request but I can never get past the SA scene.

Hola, gotta say you make really good short videos in such a short amount of time, it’s pretty impressive. Nice job!

It really sucks how much toxic people, even if Viv stays off Twitter they won't stop. Rape in Hell is sad but it shouldn't be surprising, Viv mentioned Hazbin Hotel is darker than Helluva Boss before. I will attempt I would prefer seeing it offscreen. I also want to point out, Game of Thrones has rape on and off screen but the show is so popular, I don't think I've ever seen people criticize those scenes (I don't even watch the show.)

@impishtwink8144

4 ай бұрын

also doesnt game of thrones actually fetishize it?

@midnights2631

4 ай бұрын

@impishtwink8144 They do, I pointed it out in a different video I commented on that they do it on and off screen.

I can see why Vivzie is annoyed with Twitter but she isn't helping herself with the blazay attitude on certain subjects, mainly that the hidden reply. If she actually explains it out I wouldn't be upset but I'm waiting for the actual episode to come out before I judge it. Honestly I don't think Vivzie is helping herself but sweet unholy hell people are fucking insane. Right now I'm in a state of 'wait and see' and 'seriously Vivziepop, I'm a nobody, I get it but sometimes you need to seriously address things and not completely blow it off with the excuse of being over it all.' I get it, I've never seen anyone get this severe level of harassment and backlash from people who are likely too cowardly to actually approach her in person and instead scream violent death wishes/threats into the void at her and her staff. I'm wholly aware of just how bad some of these people are. It's beyond fucked up. At the same time, I can't say she isn't intentionally or unintentionally stoking the flames that is the hate mob. She needs to get off of Twitter and stay off, nothing good can or will come from it.

I was an SA victim at age 8. I love Angel, and he is one of my favorite characters in Hazbin. I wish ppl would just shut up and let Vivziepop be. She just wants to make good shows and she actually accurately represents SA, in the Poison music video. It captured the parts I had to hide about it from others, including relatives. And I gravitated to it more than Addict. Just because she shows more of Angels abuse in Poison doesn't make her worth harassing by blue haired girls and discord mods. She deserves respect just like any another person, her being a creator doesn't make her an exception. I love your comment and you make me aware of what's happening to my favorite content creators. Keep up the good work.

When isnt there controversy I mean goodlord

@jakaslak2458

4 ай бұрын

On god

Saw the leaked sneak peek and I think it's supposed to be tonal dissonance. Angel trying to sing and dance while having the assaults he suffered still being on his mind. The people complaining on Twitter just have zero media literacy. Also who cares if someone has a r word/non con fetish? Fetish does not = actually being a predator.

@QuincyQuinn95

4 ай бұрын

Even more to the point, as someone who also has such a fetish but on the victim's side - it doesn't mean I want to be a victim, much less condone it in any way in real life? People are quick to make the "predator" assumption without even knowing which side of the fantasy they fall on. And furthermore, as numerous survivors have been commenting, it's also a very common coping mechanism for them, and Viv and members on the storyboard team are apparently SA survivors too. And to question that just because they don't process trauma the way they are "expected" to is disgusting, especially considering how apparently common it is?!

At this point i think vivs fortitude is something of legend. How she hasn’t committed suicide because of all the horrible stuff haters say about her is either nothing short of a miracle at best and the definition of insanity at worst, I’ve tried twice in my life to stay on twitter only to back out both times. It’s always so easy to hate someone or something for the stupidest of reasons. That’s why I believe the people who are truly the strongest are the one who try their hardest to love and tolerate unconditionally. This is also why I don’t watch leaked episodes.

How to win in a twitter drama: Step 1: Dont say anything at all. Thats it.

There was nothing sexy about the scene, I saw it and went, "ooh, that's rough." Made me feel bad for Angel Dust.

I know this was uploaded on the same day that it happened, so maybe you didn't have a chance to include it but idk, but I'm really surprised that you barely touched on the fact that Viv LIED about Raph being an SA victim, as well as the fact that she literally victim-blamed the 15-year-old that Raph sexually harassed on Twitter and tried to excuse his behaviour as "just a joke", which is also straight-up victim-blaming rhetoric. :/

@kirill7129

4 ай бұрын

Yep, Viv does have faults, but this situation got way to out of control, with people literally sending animal cruelty videos to Viv to harass her.

@quilaviper

4 ай бұрын

@@kirill7129 And those people suck and should have their accounts reported, but other people being horrible doesn't mean she should get a free pass to also be horrible. There's always going to be unhinged freaks that take things way too far, I've seen it in the Hazbin fandom too with rabid fans sending death, dox, and rape threats towards people for merely criticizing the show. Those outliers that do freaky shit doesn't mean the core problem should suddenly be ignored.

@kirill7129

4 ай бұрын

@@quilaviper agreed. I still love the show, but I do agree in this situation, some people took it too far.

As a guy with similar trauma and similar coping responses as angel portrays, it’s been really upsetting these past few days to see that people online think someone like me is “bad gay rep” or “a bad victim” like Jesus Christ, it’s like they’re goin outa their way to other me! it’s all “support victims” till it’s time to support victims that don’t have the prettiest stories. I haven’t seen the full episode because I don’t have the money for it and I don’t pirate from independent creators, but Loser Baby is a really healing song and I’m glad it exists

It's hard to say, every person handles their trauma differently. Personally, I was in a domestic relationship with my r*pist for 7 years and in that seven years the amount of SA I endured can't be counted, or if it could, at one point I was drinking so much just to deal I lost count. Despite that, most will be shocked to hear, I don't HATE the guy. It's complicated. We grew up together, there were genuine feelings before it all went wrong. He was young and didn't know how else to express 'love' other than physically. It didn't matter if I wanted it or not, his sex drive was a priority in the relationship and if I failed to meet him, I didn't love him. We were started in high school, we were each other's first...it's a weird place to be, you know? Sometimes SA people feel a sense of satisfaction in seeing the complexities of it all on screen, feel validated about their experiences. Some SA people write fiction of their abuse, a trauma dump. Some SA people are still confused and seeing or hearing other people's process just hurts them further. It's honestly a person-to-person thing. What can be said for sure though, is everyone is responsible FOR THEMSELVES. The rest of the world isn't responsible for your trauma. If you know something about yourself, YOU need to take the precaution in what you do and don't view. It sucks that some people f*tishize SA but you know what? Some SA survivors cope with role play, changing the script, experiencing the abuse but having an aftercare afterwards and that's fine for them. I'm happy they can get a sort of vindication that way, that doesn't make them bad people. With the amount of r*pe roleplay p*rn out there shows there's an issue to be had here but attacking people in the industry doesn't help anyone. All we can really do is be aware of ourselves and what are triggers are and live life accordingly. The world doesn't owe us ANYTHING. What happened sucked, no one is saying it didn't, but only YOU are responsible for how YOU feel. That's my take on it anyways, years of therapy got me to this point so maybe people should look into that. 🤷🏽‍♀Great vid Ayy Lmao, love your content! 🥰👍🏽

@SS-ui7by

4 ай бұрын

Holy Shit, every single word of this is SO REAL. SO TRUE. Dude, you phrased it so well, how different people cope. These twitter fucks seriously need to read this

@thingsihate_3333

4 ай бұрын

@@SS-ui7by Aw, thanks, I'm glad that resonated with you and wasn't too rambly. Like I said though, it was YEARS of therapy; I'm talking a decade and a HALF kinda years to get to the point of understanding I'm at now and I'm STILL working towards improvement. They might read it, but if they're not at a mentally sound place, they might interpret it as more "attacks" I'm sad to say. 😔🥺

Damn sexual assault in hazbin hotel who would have imagined (sarcasm)

I'm critical of a lot of her work, but damn, people really are just hating to hate at this point. She's like, in constant bombardment. It's insane. I'm all for criticism, but death threats and personal attacks are crazy. Also I watched the Hazbin Hotel show and I'm loving it so far. Great stuff all around, especially the animation, music, and VAs.

@nakulemonadekitsune204

4 ай бұрын

theres critics which are understandable, and then theres the 14 year olds or 40 year olds who are just bored and wanna hate on somethin lol thats how i see it

The 4th Episode is my favourite getting to see Val doing These Awful Things to Angel Made me feel disgusted and sad, but in a good way. i especially Liked The end of The Song "Poison" where The high ends and Angel is forced Back into Reality its giving a good glance into The hopelessnes of Angel

I reeeeeally think Viv needs to stay off of social media. People on Twitter love to get mad at every little thing despite Hazbin being an ADULT show with ADULT topics. I understand that not everyone is comfortable with dark themes. But to attack an artist/creator for including those things in their stories is wild. Though again, Viv should just not reply to any of these people. They’re all painfully chronically online and have nothing better to do. She needs to focus on her work and other things.

As an avid Angel fan this is just it's annoying to see people hating on the show's Creator because of one character

@Butterflywings932

13 күн бұрын

So real like theyre overreacting

While I might not fully agree with some of the things in Angel’s song Posion (the narrative not the lyrics) it is so damn powerful in messaging. It hit me so damn hard, and enjoying the show as a whole do not make you a terrible person. And please, please for the love of god, leave Viv and the staff alone. They did something incredible with the show as a whole and they need to be praised for that.

Same as many other comments on this, SA victims cope differently, my friend who was in a far worse situation than I went through she likes to read books specifically with SA whereas personally I couldn’t touch that stuff. I absolutely love Angels raw emotion in the last episode and I cant wait to see how his character develops

I'm convinced Twitter is a social experiment. Thier is no possibility way you can find people like that, and have the all on one place. It's genuinely concerning. Not just for Hazbin but for every content creator on the platform.

@woofnight1210

4 ай бұрын

I sometimes genuinely wonder what do those people do outside of their online life? Like, there is no way an actual human being is constantly thinking about this one random person on the internet and their show, constantly hating it and them, trying to cancel them, instead of just moving on an watching something else that they might actually enjoy

@yasY0L0

4 ай бұрын

@@woofnight1210 likewise. Most content creator controversy would be solved by A. 3 Google searchs. B. Common sense. C. Waiting to see what the scenario actually looked like. D. Looking at the facts. One of thoses. Just one

@TheMiddleFiddle

4 ай бұрын

Anonymity and severe lack of consequences for ones actions bring out the worst, or maybe the real side of people

I hope this scene isn't as bad as people are saying, because I personally find blatant SA scenes disgusting, offensive, and generally dangerous. Also, regardless of the actual scene, I think Vivziepop's response was very unprofessional.

@c.o.r.bgames2627

4 ай бұрын

tbh if I got that much shit thrown at me every 2 seconds I wouldn't wanna be nice either.

@Casey5693

4 ай бұрын

I don’t blame Viv for snapping. The clip was too short to really give anyone any full context for what was going on.

@chichiro8625

4 ай бұрын

I saw it and as a SA survivor i have no problem with it. For many it will be triggering, for others comforting. Everyone deals with their trauma in an own way

@c.o.r.bgames2627

4 ай бұрын

@@Casey5693 for all we know that scene could have been handled well.

@crptic9925

4 ай бұрын

Honestly I agree, I understand how the constant controversies can strain and deteriorate a persons mental well-being, but I’ve just never seen a creator respond to situations and criticism in such a manner

Also Vivz needs to hire a Twitter/social media managers. These Twitter meltdowns are so unprofessional and childlike. Other creators have faced worse and haven’t engaged.

@lesbianfurrysex

4 ай бұрын

fr shes digging her own grave atp

@fluffyhooter183

4 ай бұрын

yeah, but I wouldn't blame her. Imagine that YOU are being flooded with hate AND your biggest life project being leaked online before release. She is under a lot of emotional stress right now and isn't operating in her full mind. And I think you would too. But I can agree on a twitter/social managers, she definetly needs one

@user-lk5jr4eh2y

4 ай бұрын

@@fluffyhooter183 honestly though, she needs to figure it out. I’ve followed her for years and she has a habit of lashing out like this and justifying it with “I’m so overwhelmed/upset/emotional right now” in order to garner more sympathy from her fans. It was fine when she was in her early 20s but she’s over 30 now and is the head of an animation studio. She, and more importantly, all her hard working employees reputations are at stake when she has her Twitter breakdowns. This is a repeated pattern that she herself acknowledges but still won’t do anything about.

i really hope Viv does better with social media in the future

I don’t feel like this is Viv’s fault. There were people sending literal death threats over a 10 second leaked clip. That’s absurd. I still don’t think the way Viv reacted was ok. She just fought fire with fire and she should’ve just tried to calm the situation insecurity of making it worse.