What a fun video to make that was! What's your favourite film out of the trilogy?

@peepnox7747

3 жыл бұрын

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@FigmentForever

3 жыл бұрын

Oldboy is still my favorite. The twist threw my so hard, and still is an incredible piece of art in my eyes.

@trionawhite5110

3 жыл бұрын

I love Lady Vengeance, it's such a beautifully painful film.

@AssassinGlasgow

3 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think Oldboy is my favorite, though Lady Vengeance is good too! I just think Oldboy was put together a little better than Lady Vengeance and Mr. Vengeance.

@comradejosephstalinoftheus8698

3 жыл бұрын

I just finished watching The Handmaiden for the first time and came to KZread to find this video...strange. Oldboy is still my favorite Park Chan-Wook film, since I've had more time with it.

Bong Joon Ho's films are realistic, Park Chan-wook's films are intoxicating

Oldboy is the first and only film I had to press stop on when the twist happened-- I felt dirty, betrayed, shocked and numb... I literally had to take time away from the film. A few days passed and then I was brave enough to finish it.This is the only film that has ever done that to me. And by the end of the film you realize it's not Oh Dae-su's revenge story it's Yoo Ji-tae revenge story. That last shot of Oh Dae-su smiling is haunting... It's not only a revenge film but moreover it's a tragedy. No one wins in the end. And this is the first film I felt, especially at the big revelation at the climax, just kicks in the stomach and keep kicking and kicking and kicking you when you're down. There was so much feelings going through my head... It was overwhelming! Ultimately, Old Boy showed me it doesn't matter what the subject matter of the film is as long as it's good and compelling it will work.

@miffedmeff7302

3 жыл бұрын

Incest has always been a popular method to incite shock in the audience. It worked 2500 years ago with Oedipus Rex and its amazing how it remains effective til today.

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

Dirty, betrayed, shocked and numb... imho. Literally. IMHO Supposedly "in my humble opinion", this is always said before someone makes an asshole comment that is not at all humble. Much like "no offense" precedes an offensive comment.

@morrisonr4

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bluebirdfalling why are you being an annoying twat commenting Imho in every comment if you don’t like the movies? you are being an attention seeking 9 year old having a fit in the comments sections lol.

@f.miller801

2 жыл бұрын

@@miffedmeff7302 Sike! The director didn't expect me to have already visited n/

@everforward5561

2 жыл бұрын

Oh Dae-Su made a single mistake by talking too much when he was young, in no way does that balance with Yoo's drawn-out revenge.

The Vengeance Trilogy and The Handmaiden are masterworks. Also, if you keep the credits on through to the end of Sympathy you can still hear Mr. Park crying in the dirt. Truly a crushing experience

@Zvox

Жыл бұрын

imo everything he does is a masterwork. i'm a cyborg but that's ok, joint security area, thirst...all truly amazing movies.

@popojelly1895

Жыл бұрын

He mumbles something in the end, but I don't understand Korean, unfortunately :T Does anyone know what he said?

@Mibit911

14 күн бұрын

I consider I saw the devil part of the quadrilogy. It's a perfect counter opposite to oldboy.

its so refreshing to hear a youtuber consistently pronounce all the names well

not just the plot, his cinematography is sooo good.

@user-tp1ot7mc3u

3 жыл бұрын

yes

I love the revenge trilogy and didn't think to see an essay on it these days. I've loved it for so long with no one to talk about it. You're highly underrated dude.

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

imho

Imho Park Chan-Wook is one of the greatest directors of all time and Oldboy is my favourite movie of all time.

@pianoboi4842

3 жыл бұрын

@I drink your milkshake Same. I watched it five times and i like it more every time.

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

orda boi lmfao

@movieman6456

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree

@wescreambrutality

2 жыл бұрын

^^^^

@mostafafathy6309

2 жыл бұрын

@I drink your milkshake what other movies do you think that they're perfect?

Your videos about film are films themselves you have a baffling amount of artistry in how you present your views. Respect.

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

imho

Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance is hands down the best of the 3. It is the most beautifully shot and most emotionally captivating. Anyone that has seen Oldboy should see it and the rest of Park Chan Wook's filmography. V excited for Decision to Leave this year.

My introduction to Korean cinema was Oldboy. I had been binging on J-horror and thought that the chilling depictions of ghosts where better than anything I had seen before. And then a friend showed me Oldboy. No movie has probably matured me like that one. When I realized how crude jokes or inappropriate comments had been the catalyst for the entire story, something casually done and long forgotten, and those actions had repercussions that lasted a literal lifetime, I knew in the deepest part of myself that I could be Oh Dae-su. It changed me. But it was more than that as well. Lee Woo-jin endured pain and loss, but those feelings fade over time. It wasn't love lost that drove him, it was his embarrassment and humiliation and it became such a powerful force that his vengeance was glacial and sadistic. Instead of taking his own life, or Oh Dae-su's, he made his vengeance into the rest of both of their lives. Dae-su lacked appreciation for his own life and family. He was left to agonize over 15 years on the many people he had wronged and to learn to appreciate what he had by feeling the pain of what he had lost. When given his chance to seek his own vengeance, he felt powerful, he became powerful. Lee Woo-jin wanted Oh Dae-su to experience his pain, but more than that, his humiliation but also his embarrassment. As an audience perhaps we can forgive the incest of Oh Dae-su because he was set up, hypnotized, it wasn't his choice. How can we blame him then? He poetically atones for his sin of "talking too much" by cutting out his own tongue so he can never talk again. We see Lee Woo-jin appear to grant him absolution, and it would seem that his vengeance at long last is sated by the sight of Oh Dae-su debasing himself submissively. The film could end there and we would be satisfied. And yet, the final scene. We find Oh Dae-su is trying to have his memory erased. Not to let go of the trauma of the vengeance that had been wrought upon him, at least, not entirely, but so he can continue an incestuous relationship. So he can keep the secret from himself. If he can erase that knowledge, surely he cannot be the monster. But here we see the vengeance of Lee Woo-jin is finally complete. It wasn't pity that stopped him from exposing the situation to Mi-do. It was satisfaction at seeing that Oh Dae-su had fallen in love with his daughter and would do anything to keep that a secret, even cut out his own tongue. He spent two decades and a fortune to put Oh Dae-su into his same exact circumstances. He did not need Oh Dae-su to be exposed, or Mi-do to kill herself. Oh Dae-su remembering or forgetting that Mi-do was his daughter didn't even matter. Lee Woo-jin had achieved the perfect revenge. He truly balanced the scales in the most evil way. He made Oh Dae-su into the worst part of himself and left him to try and live out his miserable existence wanting to be that.

This is a fucking incredible reflection on Park Chan Wook's work. I'm so glad you made this. What a concise and articulate video essay.

Just finished the trilogy, perfect timing!

OldBoy is an absolute masterpiece

not only is this essay amazing, your editing is also awesome, great content man

I fell in love with korean movies after Mr. Vengeance and Memories of murders. Also as always thank you so much for your videos.

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

imho

@cherijoseph7819

2 жыл бұрын

I started watching Korean movies when Oldboy won at Cannes. I was so curious that an ultra-violent revenge thriller won at such a stuffy award.

That was a fantastically well made, insightful video essay! Thank you!

The genius of Park Chan Wook’s vengeance trilogy is the way he doesn’t end up siding completely with one perspective on revenge. He’s always described his views on vengeance being a futile and fruitless endeavour in terms of how it benefits those involved but he doesn’t allow this to form a complete condemnation of revenge, what we witness in his work is not the typical modern pseudo-moral critique of vengeance of ‘revenge is bad because it’s unfulfilling and no one has the right to take revenge, two wrongs don’t make a right’ but he opts for a far more nuanced approach that shows the pros and cons of vengeance that allows the audience to make judgements for themselves rather than having an explicit agenda dominate the work. If one follows complete utilitarianism then they’ll see these films and most likely see the risk of vengeance and then come to the conclusion that it’s brutal and often does not work out for everyone involved which makes vengeance pointless despite the clear reason and justification behind many revenge cases. To someone who bases their views more on naturalism they may see these films as a clear display of how natural and human it is to desire revenge which at least makes it not unjust even with its several risks and flaws. To a Kantian they may view these films as an example of why revenge can’t be accepted but also realising how strong the need for revenge can get which challenges the notion of a universalised moral opposition to revenge being embraced on a societal scale. Even people who fit outside of one specific school of ethics (such as myself) can try to apply their own ethical codes to this and make their own conclusion. What makes these films amazing is how they will undoubtedly challenge the viewer’s views in at least one way, the natural and justified desire for revenge is shown incredibly well while the trilogy also exemplifies the risk of taking revenge which often results in nothing but more pain for all parties; these two are by no means the only things that define the moral conflict shown in these films (or even scratch the surface of the plethora of reasons for this trilogy being so perfect) but they are important pillars that are masterfully built on in creating a realistic and complex exemplification of the blurred ethics behind vengeance while refraining from shoving one specific view down the viewer’s throat. For example, most people I’ve seen talk about these films seem to think Park Chan Wook shares their views, these views have all been wildly different but it really does show a very mature approach to storytelling which refrains from any explicit condemnation or praise for revenge by showing it through a realistic and balanced perspective. I personally believe Park Chan Wook is most likely a utilitarian with a bit of an ethical naturalist/error theorist streak but it’s very likely that this streak is just a product of my own views and my own subsequent interpretation of his work along with what he has explicitly stated. This is a great result to achieve in one’s filmmaking, to challenge people in ways they probably haven’t been properly exposed to and to maintain this challenge for everyone, even challenging those who share your views.

You have explained why I like the first film so much more than the others. Thank you for the fantastic content!

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

imho

Mate the editing is particularly brilliant in this one 👏🏼 love your channel

You always make me watch the movies just so I can watch your video about it. That's how much I love your content

Keep doing videos at your own pace. This is quality content that I really do appreciate!

Omg thanks fr doing this he is my fav Korean director ♥

Another great great review brother. Thanks for the credit! Well deserved

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

Well the pleasure is mine and thank you my friend!

Awesome video! I've always been so inspired by Park Chan-Wook's movies.

you have no idea how much I love your videos

I just wanted to say your film essays are literally one of, if not the best on KZread right now. Keep it up!

@SpikimaMovies

2 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated ;) thanks for watching

Please do more videos on this trilogy! This was a fantastic analysis :D

It hit me now Sympathy for vengeance and Kurosawa's high and low has similar kinda line in a way.

Ah, I was waiting for this to come out!! Couldnt help watching this before finishing the trilogy - brilliant as always! Now to go watch Lady Vengeance

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

Yeh! Thanks! Go watch it you'll love it.

I happened to watch your videos out of curiosity and omg the qualityyyyy of it, the structure and the analysis *chef kiss* please keep going !

incredible work as usual

I’m so glad you made this video. My favorite movie director by far.

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

imho

omg one of my fav directors being covered by one of my fav youtube creators♥️

Such an interesting analysis!! Amazing

And I just watched The Handmaiden, what a perfect coincedence.

@drewgoin8849

3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful set pieces and atmosphere

Make a second part where you cover extensively the other 2 parts of the trilogy Great video keep it up

I remember not liking Sympathy For Mr Vengeance as much as the rest of the trilogy, possibly because it wasn't as theatrical as the other two. I'd love to see your analysis of Oldboy and Lady Vengeance!

@andrewhussey4538

2 жыл бұрын

It's much less painstaking, there's very few moments of handheld camera and such in lady vengeance and you can see the budget is lower...same with his earlier Joint Security Area...looking back though I really liked Mr. Vengeance, it's probably the most "vague" of the three, in oldboy your mostly with Dae su, woo Jin I got his motives but honestly both characters are kind of dicks. Lady vengeance had a straight antagonist, a guy so awful that really no matter what she did geum ja was going to be the one I was rooting for. In Mr vengeance though I really quite liked both the players, they were sympathetic and I got why they did what they did, didn't agree with it all but I understood it and sympathized with both of them to where I really didn't know who I "rooted" for or against...I really found it refreshingly vague...

@chillinginthenameof

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewhussey4538 That might be part of it. It's been a while since I watched any of them, so maybe on a rewatch I'll enjoy it more? I think it's more personal preference; my attention wavered more during Sympathy For Mr Vengeance, but maybe I wasn't in the right mindset to watch at the time. When I saw the other two, I was focused the whole time.

@andrewhussey4538

2 жыл бұрын

@@chillinginthenameof it's something worth a rewatch, not everything he does is going to fit with everyone, I was absolutely engrossed with the handmaiden and I had a lot of friends who watched it and were like "I kind of felt like I was watching a softcore porn" lol, I also wasn't as impressed with I'm a cyborg but that's OK. It was good, I liked it, really quirky, the idea of a romance story in a mental institution was really cool, but compared to thirst or lady vengeance it was a little light on story. Did you watch JSA? That's another early one of his I really liked and had a lower budget but the story and mystery kept me invested the whole time. I need to check out his television series, he directed a miniseries called little drummer girl in English that I've heard is just great but i haven't had the chance to see it yet

@imposter6952

8 ай бұрын

I feel like Oldboy is the most unrealistic movie in the trilogy. Use of Hypnosis in the movie is definitely not real. And the main plot twist of the movie depends on that.

@fish1313

26 күн бұрын

@@imposter6952 i don't think oldboy is at all worried about realism, the film and the world it takes place in are obviously very heightened and the same goes for lady vengeance. sympathy for mr vengeance is the only film of the trilogy that i would feel comfortable calling grounded

That’s a superb and beautiful exposition, my dude…!

The editing of this video is its own genre❤ . . . Btw! Ive just fallen in love with this film called Sekala Niskala. I usually prefer films like Oldboy, but this film got me HARD. it describes childhood grief beautifully and i cant believe ive only heard about it recently!

Great as usual!! Thanx!!!

Sir, being fan of Wook I've just watched Mr. Vengeance after a couple of years and this analysis is superb piece of work. Didn't know your channel. Subscribed!

Old boy broke me on so many levels

i really like everything about your stuff so basiclly i want more length or vids but i know that doesnt work like that so i will wait...

This was amazing!

OK, now I want to watch a ton of movies you're mentioning. I'll watch your analysis after, I love to watch them just after as a debrief, I'm not good at that at all, but you do it very justly. Thank you and have a nice day!

The art of making movies sound like poetry, how do you do it??

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

imho

@Bluejay-ri1yf

Жыл бұрын

I think it starts not quite like that, but filmmakers begin to be able to incorporate poetry organically as their experience grows.

Thank you so much for explaining in a detailed way ❤

that was deep, i loved it, i hope you do the follow-ups :D

Your channel is the best

Yep. Still one of the best chanels on yt

Damn good upload my guy.

You made me agree to watch sympathy for Mr vengeance again and you know that is a huge task to accomplish. Thank you

your editing is gold.

Great video and analysis

My favorite director for life ❤

Great work! Thank you

I'm so glad you decide to analyze sympathy for Mr Vengeance more than the other 2 films in the trilogy (which are also excellent). I feel like this film is underappreciated especially when compared to Oldboy.

This channel is insane. Are you accredited inside Hollywood and the Actors Guild? Like seriously your interpretation of film needs to be widely viewed and experienced. The way you break down cinema is cinema in and of itself. Crazy good work

i love everything u do thank u do this video

Amazing video!!!

스피키마님 영상 보는게 인생낙중에 하나인거같아요

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

그렇게까지나...감사합니다 :)

sensational video

Great video. Thank you.

Battle Royale got me into Asian cinema as a whole and Park Chan-Wook got me into Korean cinema specifically. I don't care for the dramas or pop groups but god damn, the bloody vengeance thrillers are unreal from that side of the world.

Part 2 please !!

I would love to see a video on “A Tale of Two Sisters”!!

Amazing work man. Park Chan-wook is my favorite director of all time, great to see him getting the recognition he deserves even though he is shadowed these days by Bong Joon-ho. Would love to hear your your thoughts on Oldboy and Lady Vengeance aswell! I would also like to recommend you "Silenced" from 2011 (Korean title: 도가니), incredible true story and a very moving film.

Great, insightful documentary. My only complaint is that there wasn't enough on the third film which is my favorite. I actually cry during the birthday party scene.

늦었지만 실버버튼 축하드립니다~ 한국인 시네필이 자신의 시각을 직접 영상으로 제작하면(그것도 네이티브 잉글리시로 ㄷㄷ) 이정도 퀄리티가 나올 수 있구나 매번 감탄하게 됩니다. 그게 스피키마 채널만의 유니크함이 아닐지 ㅎㅎ 그리고 편집기술은 나날이 발전하네요. 세련되면서 동시에 트랜디한게 깊이있는 내용과 더불어 보는 눈이 즐겁습니다 ㅎㅎ 앞으로 더 승승장구하시길!

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

늘 감사합니다! :) 이상한 유튜브규칙상 실버버튼은 못받게 됬지만 ㅠ 그래도 이렇게 봐주시는 분들이 계셔서 너무 감사하답니다. 열심히 하겠습니다~ ;)

오늘도 즐겁게 보고 갑니다. 올드보이가 제가 가장 좋아하는 영화인데 다음에 다뤄주실 거라 생각 합니다 ㅎㅎ 나중에 홍상수 감독도 한번 다뤄주시면 좋겠어요 ㅎㅎ :) 늘 잘 보고 있습니다~

the whole trilogy felt like a fever dream

@Bluebirdfalling

3 жыл бұрын

lol imho

great analysis on sympathy for mr vengeance. the vengeance trilogy is the best and most in-depth study of the theme - revenge, I consider all three films to be amazing but oldboy is my favorite. Chan wook park made distinctive choices in how the story is presented, not repeating the same style in narrative structure makes the trilogy what it is.

Everyone talks up Oldboy, but my favorite in the trilogy has always been Mr. Vengeance. After my first viewing I hated it. Everyone just... died. Nobody got a happy ending. A month later though, I just couldn't stop thinking about it. I realized that it wasn't supposed to be a Hollywood revenge thriller, it was supposed to be a Greek tragedy. I think I've actually grown more accepting of the fact that people wage wars having watched it. I don't feel hatred for typical villains anymore, rather... *ahem* sympathy. Before watching it, if someone said on the news that a wealthy child had been kidnapped and turned up dead in a river, I would say that the one responsible was a sick bastard. Now I wonder what circumstances led them to commit such a heinous crime. What was the turning point that led them to their decision? Can we all see the good in them and treat them with humanity after their behavior? I get why Oldboy is popular, but Mr. Vengeance made me change how I view the actions of my fellow man and has therefore stuck with me in a very special way.

Hello Fellow Movie Lovers

복수는 나의 것을 이정도까지 분석한 영상은 첨 본거 같아요. 진짜 존경스럽습니다 🔥🔥

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

너무 좋은 영화라 ㅠㅠ 감사합니다 :)

잘보겠숩니당⭐️👍🏻

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

감사합니다 :)~

Wonder your dissection of Decision to Leave and the prevailing image of the screen in the film.

The Vengeance Trilogy is still my favorite set of Foreign films of all time. If only the Arrow Box Set with all the features & documentary for OldBoy was Region Free.

The only film I’ve ever watched from Park Chan-wook is Stoker and I remember being so mesmerized by it. Immediately saved as much as I could (took awhile since I was a teenager back then) and purchased a copy and would watch it basically everyday. I really wanted to be a director so I was studying film a lot and can’t lie that this director instantly caught my attention. I’ve started to grow interest in film again and wanna take my director dream more seriously so I’km going to watch the rest of his films now.

@harumahluv4582

2 жыл бұрын

Watch some bong joon ho films as well. 'Memories of murder' is a masterclass for aspiring filmmakers.

Brian De Palma plz...I know he's not everyone's cup of tea but I love his split screen style & that elevator scene in Dressed to Kill😳

i had to pause the video to watch sympathy for mr vengeance. i kept asking myself after the credits rolled what was the purpose of this film?!?! makes much more sense now after i watched your video essay! sorry i'm a late subscriber (already watched a bunch of your uploads) 😅✌🏻

Please what’s the song playing at 9:38 I have seen it has been done by you, but I can’t find on your bandcamp sadly

anyone know the background music in the beginning

I would pay to watch your analysis on Oldboy and Lady vengeance.

Are you a fan of David Lynch films? If so, could you do an essay on Inland Empire or Mulholland Drive? I really enjoy your channel, and appreciate your work. Thank you!

Hey Spikima, would you be interested in doing a video on Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cure?

My Favorite Director

Joint security area just hits different ngl

Insightful, intelligent.

"Dig two graves."

excited to watch Decision to Leave

Sympathy is one of the greatest films ever made

God your videos are so good!!! New subscribers here!

@SpikimaMovies

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

OH YAY MY FAVORITE DIRECTOR

i just finished watching the trilogy and i never liked sympathy for mr. vengeance as much, but i have a reason to appreciate it now, thank you for this analysis

Heard so much about old boy so i checked it out and it is good but didn't have a lot of impact on me because maybe i've watched a lot of films and read a lot of thrillers that i already knew what was going on, also hearing about it a lot made my expectations too high. Then, i found out that it's actually a trilogy, so i checked out the other two as well. I liked lady vengeance but i liked it less than old boy and i don't know why. Maybe because i wasn't feeling well when i watched it or because i just finished watching silenced before i watched it. Then here goes sympathy for Mr. Vengeance. And holysht. That movie just blew my mind. Right from the start. The way they amplify the sound that i wanted to not hear a thing then remembering that the lead is deaf and just- i cant even write my thoughts properly because there's just a lot of things to talk about that having to watch it just last night and just one time isn't enough.

One of my favorite moments in Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance is when Ryu is in his car and lays down two bottles full of urine. One is full, the other is half full. This to me is in reference to the phrase “the glass is half full/half empty”. To be optimistic or pessimistic. But the original phrase is in reference to water. In the film, it’s waste. Something unusable and undesirable. This to me reads like no matter how you view this situation, both sides are wrong. This is just my interpretation, and it very well could be wrong because I like to over-analyze things, but that’s just how I think of it. And I think that’s pretty damn poetic.

INCREDIBLE VIDEO

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