How would changing the laws of the universe impact our understanding of science? Let us know what you think in the comments below! To watch the full debate visit iai.tv/video/the-universe-fixity-and-flux?KZread&?KZread&+comment

@davidhunt7427

Жыл бұрын

What would it mean for the laws of physics to be constrained to be _incomplete_ in the sense that Kurt Gödel implied would necessarily have to happen for any axiomatic system trying to describe the properties of infinite sets.

@gristlevonraben

Жыл бұрын

Your question is answering itself, by introducing new laws you can compare the observations with data based on older laws, and the law that matches the data's predictions is the more accurate law. But until you allow for gravity to be a subspace, lower dimension attraction, as my video states, no laws of quantum mechanics will be accurate or sensible.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

@@davidhunt7427 Interesting. You know that the Copenhagen Interpretation is does in fact rely on a set of axioms already. These axioms are not obvious; they are actually quite mystical in nature. It is an interesting parallel that you raise.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

@@gristlevonraben "a subspace, lower dimension attraction" is a string of undefined buzzwords, so typical of pseudoscience. Also "as my video states" is typical of the ego of those who love pseudoscience. When we further say, "no laws will be accurate or sensible until people pay attention to me" this reveals the enormous ego that is able to make a series of claims based on each other, rather than based on experiment or observation. A true theory rapidly gathers adherents; a false theory must be trumpeted by ego since it has no enthusiasts other than the author of it.

@davidhunt7427

Жыл бұрын

@@david203 My understanding is that the original Copenhagen interpretation was very explicit in it's belief that nothing would cause the collapse of the quantum mechanical wave function except an encounter with a conscious mind. Which leads to Albert Einstein's quip about *_Do you really believe that the moon isn’t there when nobody looks?_* What is your understanding of these axioms as they were understood originally,.. and today?

What I think it is the case in this discussion is that Sabine's exposition is the most clear and scientific of the three participants and does not succumb to the temptation of self-indulgence to authenticity and tangential hypotheses of little - if any - scientific basis.

@Mike-yt4jq

Ай бұрын

Very well described. Some say the Academic system itself is fatally flawed as it's structure simply promotes people to self promote in the pursuit of funding etc, the real reason for academics in this case would be lost. If humanity can somehow shift from this paradigm and start valuing the things that actually matter ( knowledge and holistic progress) it would change the world. I wonder if we will ever grow up, in other words.

Sabine once again spot on.

Lee's transition into a trans-dimensional being appears to be going well. Nice of him to keep in touch with the rest of us on this side.

@Floxflow

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhh hahahaaaaa 🤣🙏

@CandidDate

Жыл бұрын

I see they were tuned into the Lee Smolin + streaming channel.

@davidhorn2248

Жыл бұрын

Like the man but he gers weirder each year

@danielbarrett6380

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if it even crossed your mind that he may have health issues. No doubt they may present themselves in strange ways but imagine getting out of bed every day to continue to work while suffering through it.

@JCO2002

Жыл бұрын

@@danielbarrett6380 I think it's his webcam that has health issues, actually.

I am a huge fan of Sabina. Her explanations are always SIMPLE and that denotes a SOLID understanding of what she discusses. Everyone else seems to puff themselves up with concepts that are speculative nonsense.

@MKTElM

Жыл бұрын

I am a fan of Sabina too . Thinking she would be great fun in a tempestuous relationship !

@georgebernstein12

Жыл бұрын

I hope the ‘puffing themselves up’ is not a reference to this particular panel…I’m gonna assume ur relating that to M.Kaku lol

@cvan7681

Жыл бұрын

It is not an understanding, but (like all science) a description.

@zelfjizef454

9 ай бұрын

New data is so hard to come by in theoretical physics nowadays that it's becoming harder and harder to do more than speculate. Sometimes I think Sabine is being a bit unfair toward her pairs. Also there ARE deep philosophical / mathematical / scientific questions in this universe that just cannot be formulated and answered simply in the form of a 15 minutes youtube video - something Sabine specializes in. That doesn't mean people who dare to face those deep questions "puff themselves up". It probably means you're not willing to put in the effort to understand their issues. When one does more than scratching the surface, everything in this universe has a tendency to cease being simple and clear and easily understandable.

@adrianwright8685

4 ай бұрын

@@MKTElM Such great fans you can't even spell her name properly! - Sabine not Sabina

👍Great people here on stage, on a fundamental question. Dr. Sabine, queen and rockstar of physics, such a beautiful, clear and straight thinking mind. Her statements about the double slit here refer to her ideas to solve the measurement problem, that's exciting (not crazy, as she said) and should be taken seriously.

It is cool to see Ms Sabine here, a brilliant person!

@BritishBeachcomber

Жыл бұрын

Sabine is everywhere ☺️

Dr.Hossenfelder is brilliant

Sabine! Love her work! 🙌

Excellent ideas, especially from Lee Smolin. It's inspiring how he's evolved over his career.

@bryan3dguitar

Жыл бұрын

@USA TAMONDOMUNI Bow wow. Woof! Woof!

Great video, wonderful to hear from a panel of brilliant minds! 🙌🙌

Such smart people, thanks for uploading!

A lot of this reminds me of the philosophy of Henri Bergson, who wrote about the nature of time as an evolutionary process producing irreducible complexity.

@jakecarlo9950

Жыл бұрын

Yoooo, spot on! I read Bergson (and some Heidegger) in tandem w Smolin’s Time Reborn and it was mind-bending. Appreciate the comment & connection. Cheers.

Probably my two favorite Physicists on the same panel. ❤🤟❤Sabine and Lee.

nice interview of sabine and lee

Kudos to Sabine.

Sabine's suggestion is awesome!

That deserves hundreds of thousands of likes

Love these three physicists!

hossenfelder is just great. Thanks for the video.

One of the most enjoyable pass times on a Sunday afternoon, with chilled beer in hand is to lay back and listen to Smolin nonsense

@bipolarbear9917

Жыл бұрын

Smolin nonsense!? Really? Hmm. I like all 3 speakers. I've read many of Paul's books, seen many of Sabina's video's, and I happen to like the way Lee is incredibly open-minded and thinks outside the box, but still has his feet well ground in science. Maybe you're just trying to be funny. I don't know.

@Floxflow

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@innosanto

Жыл бұрын

You call it as such because you have read and analysed it deeply through decades?

@bipolarbear9917

Жыл бұрын

@@innosanto I don't know if you're talking to me, but yes, I've been reading books on Cosmology and Astrophysics and many other subjects for decades. I'm a science nerd.

Fantastic

the idea that the laws of the universe change overtime sounds like a law that doesn't change. there you go

@jtfernandes

Жыл бұрын

18:08

I chuffing love ❤ Lee Smolin.

I'm not a scientist but I find these discussions fascinating, mostly because of the concepts, subjective and objective. No one ever says, this is "our" interpretation, description , measurement of quantum, or of laws of the universe. What is a light year, a common measurement: the distance light travels in a year: and what is a year ? The time it takes Earth to make one revolution around the sun. Do we imagine other beings in the universe use this measurement? We don't even know what time is, objectively: to us it is simply what our clocks measure,.and a relationship in space between our sun and our planet. But it seems in a broad sense to be a force impacting objects and perhaps laws.

@Sifar_Secure

Жыл бұрын

Whether you measure it in yards or millimetres, the distance between your house and your neighbour is the same. That distinction applies to our use of "light-year". Other species would have units of differing magnitude, but the speed of light - and thus the distance travelled over x amount of time - would be the same. The speed of light is the speed of light, whether it's 186,000 miles per second or 300,000 km per second or 1 million zargs per floogle.

@adrianwright8685

4 ай бұрын

What unit is used has no impact whatever on the concepts. It's just convenient to measure galactic type distances in light years, just as kilometers - or miles - is convenient to measure how far a car has gone.

My cyclic cosmology headcanon. Science fiction. The big bang seems to have been extremely uniform. If the universe can become old enough and all particles and constituent waves can eventually decay then the universe would become extremely uniform. Maybe when enough waves have decayed in a certain area the vacuum energy becomes the most influential source of energy. In these areas vacuum energy may positively interfere and begin to shake the fabric of spacetime like a bell. The structure of the last remaining waves, or black holes, could be imprinted in the next universe as the CMB. Ringing would converge on stray waves causing disturbances as it propagates and gains energy. eventually shaking itself apart into the next universe. Or the energetic ringing from the empty portions of the universe could reach the last remaining black holes and interact. Maybe the new universe is this ringing spacetime falling into the black holes and twisting the universe into itself? Another thought. Lee Smolin suggests that the universe seeks increasing complexity. Variety seems to be maximized. New laws that govern biology could come from this tendency of the universe when applied to a certain scale.

professor poual davis is great and amazing man so I hope to meet him

@davidhorn2248

Жыл бұрын

Gentle, kind and brilliant

The discussion of how Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is relevant to initial conditions strangely ignores the simplification provided by David Bohm: that treating the Schrödinger equation as a force and the position of an electron wrt an edge of a slit allows the trajectory of the electron to be predicted as a deterministic path. In addition, Bohm treats the measuring device as part of the quantum experiment, meaning that no collapse occurs during measurement. Such insights dramatically simplify QM and remove much of the mystery introduced by the Copenhagen Interpretation.

@benjwils

Жыл бұрын

There are quite a few issues with Bo’s interpretation, making it a fairly fringe idea (I believe including non-locality and similar problems). That is presumably why it’s not touched on here.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

@@benjwils I've actually read some of David Bohm's writings, as well as some of the papers written to investigate his theory. Non-locality is not a problem of Bohm. It is part of quantum mechanics itself, and also part of the Copenhagen Interpretation. Watch some KZread videos about quantum entanglement, or the double-slit experiment to see how important nonlocality is to physics today. Bohm is a fringe area for historical reasons, not because it has any particular problem.

Because the limited precision of our knowledge we can't know if it's changes or not, we can only have a limit how much it can change maximum to be still compatible with our experiences.

Planck length/time does imply that rounding errors must occur at quantum scale.

there is an a priori assumption from which each answer proceeds

Sabine 👍

Causality is up for grabs using Sabine's framework. Not a completely crazy idea. We are creatures that experience time a point at a time, flowing in one direction. This conceit frames our physical laws. The universe need not be viewed this way

@ximono

8 ай бұрын

And for photons, everything happens in one instant. Thank goodness we're not living at the speed of light.

@Thomas-gk42

4 ай бұрын

She has exciting ideas, that should be taken seriously.

If a law changes, then it is not fundamental and is itself subject to a deeper law. There must be something unchanging at the base of reality. Tim Palmer's invariant set perhaps?

@PetraKann

Жыл бұрын

I doubt that Palmer’s invariant nonsense will save us from the putrid ravages of our innate ignorance and foul arrogance

@EverythingCameFromNothing

Жыл бұрын

Why must there be something unchanging at the base of reality? Isn’t change what allowed Nothing to turn into Something? So perhaps change IS the only thing that doesn’t change 🙃 😜

@maxwelldillon4805

Жыл бұрын

@@EverythingCameFromNothing I don't think something from nothing is possible. But proving that...

@EverythingCameFromNothing

Жыл бұрын

@@maxwelldillon4805If something can’t come from Nothing, then going back in time there must ALWAYS be something, so time must be travelling backwards as well as forwards, which is fine, but if you rewind both, there must be a point in time at which they meet, which would require an explanation of its existence if it is not nothing

@agenerichuman

Жыл бұрын

Your conclusion is really just your initial assumption, just stated as if it's a fact. Perhaps, there's no laws but long-term interactions whose effects seem to be fundamental rules. Or perhaps, there's no laws but there's instead aspects of the universe that look like laws but in fact are really more vague and subject to variation than what appears to be. I think people get too hung up the word "law." It implies the universe is guided by platonic structures instead of the universe is shaped by its relationship to itself.

The law of identity and the law of causality are my favourite laws.

The practices of our predecessors require adaptation of us, but the results of trial and error aren’t welcome, so even if it is possible to provide, many of us are caught up with a point of view that can’t be provided for by proof at this time. However, by moving my discussion here, I may be able to show that the increasing charge that results is propelled by inquiry into that which must expand in order to prove it occurs for good reason at a tolerant location.

When it comes to the inverse square law the causality creates a self consistent relationship.

@MaxBrix

Жыл бұрын

@@schmetterling4477 So I guess you disagree. Light doesn't spread out?

So, what about the rules of logic? Are they time dependent? Can they vary across the multiverse?

@david203

Жыл бұрын

They answered that: no one knows as yet. All that can be done at the moment is to speculate.

@agenerichuman

Жыл бұрын

The law of noncontradiction should remain true but it's likely impossible to prove that. Though most of of what we think of as logic isn't defined by laws. They're rigorous frameworks built on a few laws that are either necessarily true or seem almost certainly true. These frameworks help us determine the truth about things they apply to. Though these systems become less reliable the further removed they become from underlying laws. With that said, there's many competing systems of logic, some even reject laws, like the excluded middle.

@rubenangelvarisco4233

Жыл бұрын

With crack yes...

Can anyone do the favor and make an 1min abstract of what they were 40 min talking about?

Conservation holds everywhere all times. On the other side of temporal membrane is that inverted charge. This is why electron half spin. One orbit on this side as electron and one on other side as positron. 2 full rotations.

@AttiliusRex

Жыл бұрын

Wouldnt that make half spin electrons electrically neutral if you avarge their charge over time?

@KaliFissure

Жыл бұрын

@@AttiliusRex imagine that an electron has a position at it's core. The expressed surface is negative because equal and opposite on inside. And vice versa for positions. I have a video.

Slowly humanity edges toward truth.. because truth is ‘that which exists’, and there is nothing ‘else’ to edge toward! The real question is whether we will move fast enough to avoid self destruction from falsity and corruption? The opportunity to understand exists, but where is the will? spaceandmotion

This is a goodie :-)

I agree sabine about superdeterminism

@Thomas-gk42

4 ай бұрын

Of course, this is a totally underrated approach, that should be taken much more seriously. Sabine is a brilliant thinker.

--- The physical laws of our universe adapt from emergence of life towards stable life evolution. ---

Those who claim for system structure (state) dependent laws would have to admit that under similar structure or state, the laws would have to be the same; and this stability would be the non changing law, otherwise they Will be dismissing the idea of Science altogether

Si se demuestra que el primer principio de termodinámica puede cambiar, entonces toda la física puede cambiar porque el universo se comportaría en modo contrario al primer principio. Lo que aquí se discute si teorías pueden cambiar. Y la respuesta es obvia: si, porque son teorías. Los científicos se han convertido en expertos en formular silogismos, para mantener sus privilegios. Pero la ley de la naturaleza no ha cambiado. Ella es más fiel que nosotros mismos.

Unification takes place in us in our command center. Soul or if you prefer consciousness. They say this math works

When did Truman Capote grow a beard, and get into physics? (sorry, I'll see myself out... after the video) Very interesting talk!

It seems to me the laws only apply specfic to our galaxy and change in each galaxy and this is causing some confusion

Did Paul Davies say that Nature could have made a rounding error? With big brains like that on the forefront of physics, it's no wonder we are not making any progress.

@falseprophet1024

Жыл бұрын

Lol. Im sure you could do much better, and are absolutely qualified to pass judgement on their ideas, as if you actually knew that the universe had never made a rounding error.. Ps. For things to operate at the planck lengths of space and time, it is almost necessarily true that rounding errors are made.. the universe can't divide pie into 100, without a rounding error anymore than your calculator can..

@TheLuminousOne

Жыл бұрын

why would the Universe attempt to divide pi into 100..?

@ximono

8 ай бұрын

If you begin by explaining the universe as a computer/machine, strange statements like that are likely to follow. I took it to be just a silly metaphor, but that _is_ how phycisists see nature. Wasn't he trying to bring biology and evolution into physics?

Mystery lies in the requirement for balance throughout nature.

When was the last mathematic formulation / description of a pattern in Nature was named a ‘Law’?

@tedgrant2

Жыл бұрын

5 minutes ago. I invented the law that humans like to invent laws.

The universe is in flux: It would be worthwhile to consider also an entirely new approach in "Novel quantitative push gravity/electricity theory poised for verification"

I'm not sure I understand why this is a question. It is my undertanding that at some brief time after the Big Bang, the strong nuclear force split off from the weak nuclear force. It seems to me that this split would have had to have some effect on the laws of physics which obtained prior to that split.

@falseprophet1024

Жыл бұрын

I believe they are positing that the strong force didnt "break off" from the weak force, but that both forces may have evolved from a common force. Its more like one law evolved into multiple laws. Picture physical laws sharing common descent with each, but that dont "unify"..

Sabine, from the perspective of Superdeterminism and free will please comment on: The KZread video, Murray Gell Mann, The Quark and the Jaguar.

@Thomas-gk42

4 ай бұрын

Superdeterminism doesn't contradict 'free will', it's classical determinism of standard physics.

Has the double slit experiment been done in a vapor chamber? It would allow tracking electron pathways without measuring at the slit. Ps measurements do not change or affect the initial state. It’s misleading to say so.

@lol2Dlol

Жыл бұрын

I think technically that when the electron interacts with the vapor, that counts as a "measurement". In most situations you can think of any interaction as a measurement. I would be interested to see if it would still produce an interference pattern in this case though.

That there are multiple universes makes more sense than that there is only one. I would vote for there being multiple universes and more than one dimension, a minimum of three dimensions, one for each expression manifest in the human microcosm, namely: a causal universe, an astral universe, and the physical universe which we are aware of and inhabit currently.

Why would one prefer time dependency of a law over local dependency?

@david203

Жыл бұрын

I don't think anyone proposed that these were two alternatives. Some laws of physics spring from local observations, and one can imagine a time-dependent or space-dependent law. They are just two different aspects of the philosophy of physics.

The scientific way to explain metaphysics is basic math and basic geometry: [Exhibit A]: We have ten whole, rational numbers 0-9 and their geometric counterparts 0D-9D. 0 and it's geometric counterpart 0D are: 1) whole ✅ 2) rational ✅ 3) not-natural ✅ 4) necessary ✅ 1-9 and their geometric counterparts 1D-9D are: 1) whole ✅ 2) rational ✅ 3) natural ✅ 4) contingent ✅ Newton says since 0 and 0D are "not-natural" ✅ then they are also "not-necessary" 🚫. Newton also says since 1-9 and 1D-9D are "natural" ✅ then they are also "necessary" 🚫. This is called "conflating" (similar words but different definitions) and is repeated throughout Newton's Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic. Leibniz does not make these fundamental mistakes. Leibniz's "Monadology" 📚 is 0 and it's geometric counterpart 0D. The Egyptians, Syrians, Greeks, Mathematicians, Plato (the Good on 0D-3D pyramid) and don't forget Jesus and John all speak of the Monad (number 0, geometry 0D, quantum SNF). 0D Monad (SNF) 1D Line (WNF) 2D Plane (EMF) 3D Volume (GF) We should all be learning Leibniz's Calculus/Physics/Geometry/Logic. Fibonacci sequence starts with 0 for a reason. The Fibonacci triangle is 0, 1, 2 (Not 1, 2, 3). Newton's 1D-4D "natural ✅ = necessary 🚫" universe is a contradiction. Before we're here is necessary. This is contingent. Most likely "imaginary" in the same way 'time' is "illusory". There's no 3D anybody without their 0D Monad/Soul. No Higgs Boson without Quarks. Natural does not mean necessary. Similar, yet different. Not-natural just means no spatial extension; zero size; exact location only. Necessary. Newtonian nonsense will never provide a Theory of Everything. Leibniz's Law of Sufficient Reason should be required reading 📚....

The Hegelian Dialectic will be useful I think! The Vail hides only that there is nothing behind it, we are alone!

@amihart9269

Жыл бұрын

Funny we have to say "Hegelian" because if we talked about Marxian dialectics everyone's heads would explode. It seems like basic ideas we've understood for a century and a half are only now being "rediscovered" by physicists that were purged from universities purely for ideological reasons. Luckily at least in China, basic philosophy is still taught and people don't have to rediscover such simple ideas we've known about since the 19th century.

I would say a law is definitional, so schrödinger's equation follows from the laws of quantum mechanics. Whereas Hook's law and ohms law define an ideal spring and an ideal resistor respectively.

“… Every one who is seriously engaged in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that the laws of nature manifest the existence of a spirit vastly superior to that of men, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), founder of modern physics (Theory of Relativity inter alia) and 1921 Nobel prize winner. ​Laws of the Universe exist Independent of anyone's personal beliefs in the existence of the Laws of the Universe. Just as man-made laws govern society globally, Universal Laws govern the entire Universe. Un-directed random material natural processes have never been observed or experimentally demonstrated to be capable of producing any form of laws. As scientifically confirmed, non-material laws are the product of only Mind / Consciousness / Intelligence.

"We must explain how the laws came to be and why there are these laws rather than other laws." is a category mistake. The laws of physics are descriptive, and there is only How, not Why in the sense of "from what intent".

@falseprophet1024

Жыл бұрын

How and why are the same question in this context. Thay are fundamentally asking how the laws of nature came to be. How these laws and not others, how did we get this value as a constant and not another.

Physics has frequently had breakthroughs when we find ways to think about regimes that we do not live it. Much of recent technology depends on understanding what happens at very tiny scales, very low temperatures, very fast speeds, etc. We might at first reject Everett's Multiverse or other theories of multiple universes because they are obviously nontestable and nonfalsifiable. But, when you think about it, there is not that much different about considering different universes when we have no objection to theorizing about the very tiny scale of the Planck length. The tiny regime was once impossible to observe even with the best of microscopes and other lab equipment, not unlike how it is today seemingly impossible to observe other universes. Just as we can imagine the Big Bang and use complex numbers to explore very different regimes from our own, perhaps someday our equipment and mathematics will catch up to radical theories that admit of other universes with possibly different physical laws and constants.

@dallinsprogis4363

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is like me asking “How old am I if I travelled in a straight line” Rather than calculating it by traveling in a circle around the sun. lol. Could that be done?

@david203

Жыл бұрын

@@dallinsprogis4363 Huh? You know your age. It has nothing to do with traveling around the Sun, since Earth does not move with relativistic speed. Could what be done?

@dallinsprogis4363

Жыл бұрын

@@david203 It’s not that I know my age. Can my age be calculated at the rate of cellular division rather than the imperfect orbit around the sun.

@dallinsprogis4363

Жыл бұрын

@@david203 You understand that all life on the planet does not age at the same rate. Some life only lasts a few to a dozen rotations. And other life last 10s of 1000s and more rotations as we orbit the sun. We have evolved based on the astrophysical characteristics of the changing planet. However does it not seem that the orbit and rotation of the planet is in-fact an error of judgment to calculate the any age of a life form.

Time as a creative force is a stunning concept. I always saw time as an underlying vibration of the fabric of strings space fabric. Knowing that time is a localized phenomena, I assumed that time was all vibration that was impeded by density and chaos of the area in general. Time as a creative force gives me much to consider.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like pseudoscience, just stringing buzzwords together to form sentences that don't actually have meaning in physics.

@dallinsprogis4363

Жыл бұрын

Try to understand that the concept of time only exists in the consciousness that creates it, because of being aware of changes.

@gristlevonraben

Жыл бұрын

@@david203 could be. But at the beginning of the moment of existence becoming tangible, wouldn't time have to exist first? If so, could it not also be a creative force? Personaly, I just currently see time as moving fields or clouds of super tiny subparticles that move at a set speed unless inhibited by gravity's pull. Kind of like a sub-aether, as subspace is to space.

@gristlevonraben

Жыл бұрын

@@dallinsprogis4363 my watch tics whether I sense it or not. That is the kind of time I am contemplating. However, I do understand that there are people who would like time to be malleable by the power of their thoughts, which I am not against, I just do not see it as time itself, but instead a field of time manipulated by thought, much like telekinesis is not material created by a mind, but moved by a mind.

@dallinsprogis4363

Жыл бұрын

Is it not true that time is an invention created in the imagination of the consciousness and can be what ever you imagine it in order to dynamically quantify change.

Shes also a super famous youtuber :) they forgot that

📍28:50

Hotboxing the zoom like a boss

I like to think of two existing domains of laws that govern the universe-the humanly thinkable and the unthinkable ones. Laws that presume an initial state of a system) are the results of our “human” way of thinking which has the progression of time wired into it. I would like to bet on future AI (or swarm of AIs) that would be able, unbiased by its (their) existence and self-awareness in time, to come up with (for humans) “unthinkable” or “unimaginable” laws that would affect (vs. describe) reality as they are being formulated by the AI. It would be something like a man made (initiated :) “dei ex machina.”

@petercohen5563

Жыл бұрын

Oin

@pawemarsza9515

Жыл бұрын

Except AI only really operates inside the models the humans invent. There is no something like THE AI. All machine learning models operate, at the basic level, as bunch of if-statements, loops and mathematical expressions (because that's what processors are capable of doing). Therefore, you don't just throw the data at THE AI (because it doesn't exist). You need to create a specific mathematical model first, then train it using the data available. So... All this AI talk is just science-fiction bullshit.

@rubenangelvarisco4233

Жыл бұрын

No es posible que una máquina pueda escapar de la variable temporal porque la información tiene que ser retenida, memorizada. La presencia de memoria impone la variable tiempo. Y esas hipotéticas máquinas que usted imagina no pueden hechar de menos que a la memoria para retener información y convertirlas en leyes. Este simple hecho demuestra que las leyes son relativas al sujeto. Así pues lo que nosotros describimos el es universo humano, no al UNIVERSO, que escapa a nuestra comprensión, como escapa a nuestra comprensión el universo que percibe un perro por ejemplo... La arrogancia que caracteriza a nuestra especie nos nubla el pensamiento. Solo se que no se nada, decía socrates, y tenía razón. La física debe ser una actividad práctica, no un juego lúdico y económico para los privilegiados que viven de subvenciones estatales mientras hay problemas realmente tangibles al estómago de las gentes. Estos físicos se parecen ya a políticos.

@MassDefibrillator

8 ай бұрын

any system able to recognise patterns and relations must be biased in some way, including AI. Blank slates do not exist as far as information processing is concerned.

Could the observable universe be an open system in a stream of energy.

@Bobbel888

Жыл бұрын

Not clear, what open should be, as it is not clear what the distance to the center of a black hole should be.

I don't think there could be a reliable way to measure the change in our laws of physics from within the system as the tools would be subjected to those changing laws. To know for certain you would need a frame of reference outside where the tools would be free from any changes within the system. Its like having a tailwind. Your speed compared to the air around you and compared to the ground are inconsistent. The air around you is impacted by pressure changes between masses of air but the ground is not. I also do not think there is a good way to determine if the laws of physics would propagate change everywhere instantaneously or be bound by the speed of causality.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

Yes, this is exactly why this discussion wasn't scientific; it was speculation about physics. This speculation will not become part of physics until much more work is done to find testable predictions and other ways to prove assertions about the speculations.

the missing word appears to be invariance and the definition thereof

12:05 ah the beauty of realizing I was poor young I requested to go from the gifted and talented class to the step above special education because I didn’t want the hard questions with a real grade for a fake opportunity

There is not any time dependennces. Time is grasbed or punched glued to matter

Very interesting debate. Now, what do you think when I say “I don’t see myself as 47 years old” Instead, I know I have travelled around the sun in circles on this planet 47 times. I imagine “How old am I, if I am travelling in a straight line?” Doesn’t this seem like a question that Albert Einstein would ask or did he? I don’t know. I know my age is based on imperfect knowledge. But I do go with the established rule that 365 rotations/days “which is not a perfect 365 rotations/days” as a year. I think it’s good to have these kinds of debates and yet understand simultaneously that the technology just doesn’t exist yet to understand the truth. For the knowledge I understand. I know that we are, is because of the current state of the contents/physical matter within the universe.

@kapilsharma320

Жыл бұрын

I think age is based on cell cycle and cell division of the organisms regardless of the revolution of the earth

All the Known Laws are a glimpse of big universal Law. Based on the known laws, we can assume that the universal Law is also fixed and can not be changed.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

That is a speculation. Your speculation, your belief, yet stated as fact. There is a big difference between belief and fact, as these three physicists demonstrated. It would be refreshing if these comments didn't state opinions as facts quite so often.

why does the universe exist does it have a boundary or is it infinte

What does "changing law" even mean? A law with time in it? Like v = a*t?

@agenerichuman

Жыл бұрын

It means more complicated math when trying to describe anything affected by these laws. Though physics will never throw out much simpler approximations for limited cases.

Science journalism annoyance: when they pick the highest number in the paper and put that in the title of the article, when that's the top of the confidence interval of a hypothetical worst-case scenario. As you point out it's often an institution itself which does this exaggeration.

There are no “laws“ of the universe that we have determined with any certainty. What we propose from time to time is a set of assumptions that is more or less helpful and accurate in predicting future occurrences as tested. These “laws“ which aren’t laws get updated periodically as new technology and information become available. For example, the “big bang“ has come down from the highest scientific circles into the public discourse. Most children believe that there are “laws of the universe“ people often talk about “the big bang“ as if it were settled science as opposed to the most advanced science at the moment. We as scientist have to change our terminology around the assumptions used in our models. I think we are selves got get caught up in the feeling that we know the laws of nature. And the universe. We don’t.

As roger rabbit responded when asked why he didn't do that thing that breaks the laws of physics before, "... because it wasn't funny."

"We reached an impasse ,so we change the laws(or allow for their change) dynamically "... Sabine looked as if she was thinking"why am i sitting here listening to these "ideas ".... I ve been shouting to my screen since the 1st minute that guy started talking about fundamental laws that can change,evolve dynamically.

@koroglurustem1722

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 💯

@innosanto

Жыл бұрын

It is not that strange what they say. They may be saying that the universe is following evolution similarly to biology. There are theories that purpose of universe is evolution, evolution of itself.

@falseprophet1024

Жыл бұрын

You have no way of knowing that the laws are constant, and have always been so. Imagine yelling at a Phd who has forgotten more than you will ever know, through a screen, convinced that you are correct about a question you actually dont have an answer for..

Poor Lee, hope he's doing ok.

Life is Eternal, have a Life-side and a Stuff-side, Life- and Consciousness-structure is mirrored in Rainbow. Colors show our Eternal Ability-Set, on top We have a set of Creator/Function-Principles. The Laws, Life/-side/Stuff-side, is a Consequence of the Principles. The Law of movement, is consequence of the Motion-Princip. Motion is actually very essensial for the Life-Performance. So, All Living Beings, Life-Unit's is the same Eternal Race, have the same Colors, whatever Micro- Medio- or Macro- Beings. Our Local Universe is also a Life-Unit, bound to the Parents-Princip, Organism-shifting-Princip, and others. Stuff-side of Orange/Heat, and Yellow/Freeze, is the Basics of the Stuff-side, All Stuff is a certain temporary composition of Heat and Freeze, Balanced tension by Red/Instinct. (The Stuff-bearing Basic-Energies) Day-Consciousness Never sleep, is Point of All Creation, it is Here and Now.

Physical law is statistics of mater movement

The premise of this conversation is silly. The very entry point offered by the facilitator at about 15:30 "What are the Laws supposed to be governing ?" (and this AFTER Sabine rightly defined (described ?) "Laws" as mathematical representations of an observation about the universe... ) is backwards. Laws of Physics do not 'Govern' anything, they 'Describe' the Universe. And perhaps more correctly, they describe our current understanding of the Universe, and as we have no full unifying theory, describe only some subset of the universe. The reference to Ohm's Law is telling. The question was 'Did Ohms Law apply at the Big Bang/Formation of the Universe ? Ohm's Law is simply a method of calculating effects of changes in voltage or current in an electrical circuit... There were no electrical circuits (that we know about) so its not testable, but why should we postulate that the physics Ohm's Law describe were different ? I hope all would agree than None of our "laws of physics are complete - were they to be, we would have our 'Unified Theory' and that T-Shirt referenced in the video. I could go on about the idea of state dependent laws or time dependent laws but the questions are equally silly. It is a gross extrapolation, but consider the complex multi-variate equation - Surely there are some systems where some (Many?) of the variables in this complex multi-variate equation are null or too small to have measurable effect on the result. When, in different cases, these variables do have some measurable effect, do we say that 'The Law' has changed ? Similarly, consider an improvement to our understanding of this system or our ability to measure something about this system such that we add or change its form. Our expression of the law has changed based on our improved measurement or understanding, but have the underlying physics changed ? Perhaps this was all intended to be some show, or entertainment, but the content diverged too far into philosophy or meta-physics to be seriously thought provoking.

“G” calculated from first principles- the hydrogen atom- in 2002. All atoms and atomic objects expand at 1/770,000th it’s size every second per second constant acceleration. Applied to earth size object equals 16 feet per second per second constant acceleration: gravity.

We speak in the language of those we are trying to communicate with. If those controllable masses are enamoured with magic tricks.. Algebracadabra!

The answer is universal consciousness; mind, in which we share through our individual minds. There is no answer other than this. It can be called universal mind or God or any word of choice, but its non-existence leaves no answer that makes sense. Multiple universes does not mean multiply gods anymore than multiple people means multiple laws of nature to engender each person.

the current laws can not explain our observation about the past. We try black matter and more. We may need a set of time dependent laws of physics. or state-dependent laws. good idea of sabine ..et al e.g. what will alpha be at the horizon of BH? how will feynman diagrams look like at the horizon? they may change.

Multi-verse (multiple universes) is a clear contradiction. Universe = "everything" "the totality of known or supposed objects and phenomena throughout space; the cosmos;"

. Lee Smolin is like... EXTREEEEME CLOSEEE UPPP !!!!(Waynes World)

Self proclaims the Men & Women is to the Shepard's, the lambs and above the super-incredible Alien Universe ✔

0D Monad is the singularity.

This discussion is the physics equivalent to improvisational jazz: a few very accomplished cats playing their intellects at such a high level that only very discerning listeners are actually catching it fully.

@david203

Жыл бұрын

Very nice comparison. Some of these speculations might develop into revolutionary new areas of physics, others might eventually be seen as nonsense. We can't know the future.

@Frisbieinstein

Жыл бұрын

So Sabine is the Miku Yonezawa of physics?

we have a theory... we do not know for what is god or is it work , but the theory is so fine and fit nice in out math...we made a hundreds of calculations and observations and we got same results, based on those laws and constants, so, the theory must be true instead nature, therefore the nature must accept this theory and act in this maner, if mature does not accept it, we will putt the sanctions on nature as long as nature refuse to cooperate...

@Bobbel888

Жыл бұрын

math is not the last religion

@mirjanahreljin6639

Жыл бұрын

@@Bobbel888 well seams to me that math is the ONLY religion in this room...but when you go outside, its does not work...

Yes, the physical law have change through geological time.

@nickhowatson4745

8 ай бұрын

there is zero evidence supporting that claim

"if you can't figure it out, then blame the laws themselves" REALLY?

Hearing this conversation it reminds of my ideas about DNA program language. I called it "the DNA gambling zone". What it describes is the way cells are gambling from a master cell into a complete organ, skin or whatever makes a complete living creature. Important to note is that it will always bend! There will never be straight range of cells. Possibly this has to do with time and information being "written". The last thoughts I am trying to understand how cells communicate with each other to form an organ. From my background in ICT I know how Ethernet communication solves the problem of communication starting at the same time. By randomizing waits communication on 1 wire is possible. My thought is something happens the same way between cells. Master cells "negotiate" "who" is transformed into something else than its neighbour. I also think that a master cell can take a role of messenger to guide other cells into functioning as 1 organ. This all can happen by chance! Gambling has more influence than most people think. Especially in nature. My suggestion would be a special law of gambling. Randomizing is more important in fysics than we think, it is a fundamental law. Einstein was wrong. "God" does play dice 🎲🎲.

@eswn1816

Жыл бұрын

Throwing dice is not 'random.' 🙃

@georgebernstein12

Жыл бұрын

Lol great response…psych!!!!

Wow!! Seems like some physicists are starting to ask the right kind of probing questions. In reality, theoretical physics had taken a bizarre turn. Theoretical physics doesn't offer the same glam as AI, or the other fields with high concentrations of wealth driving intellectual capital to mass-adoption. We must believe ordinary matter (Something more intelligible than Yang Mills theory) is doable to encourage true investigation... "comon", is Yang Mills the best we humans can do?

@PhilFogle

Жыл бұрын

Yang-Mills works great. Like they said, maybe it's time to stop looking through the microscope. Remember Noether? How can laws change without symmetries changing? Only the constants can change...

@Santiaguitarmusic

Жыл бұрын

AI glam is mostly hype and intellectual dishonesty

@edwardhunia6315

Жыл бұрын

@@PhilFogle No it doesn't 'work great'. We have no insight into constructing ordinary matter given Einsteins insight (rest mass m=E/(c^2).

@edwardhunia6315

Жыл бұрын

@@Santiaguitarmusic No, its just money and resourcing influencing and dictating how people choose. People who really advance their respective fields.