Living in a Universe that has engineered its own comprehension - Paul Davies. Love it.

@spiralsun1

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad people are catching up to this idea. I actually wrote about the exact feature of human knowledge in this universe that he is talking about. It goes so much farther than that no one would believe me 20 years ago. I wrote a 350 page book and a bunch of papers about this and all human history. I am glad the information explosion has allowed people to see. Because it is very important. And that is exactly right. In order to keep existing, if you like that sort of thing 😂, we have to keep going. Because I figured out we are going SOMEWHERE. Thus the title of my first book “The Textbook of the Universe: the genetic ascent to God” back in 2001. I totally love both these guys. If people said “well, why don’t you marry them, then?” And I would be like “OK”. 🥰🤷‍♀️😂

@robbass7611

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like Solipsism? But to what end?

@bozo5632

2 жыл бұрын

In the whole known universe there is only a few million tons of matter (animal brains) that (weakly, partly, briefly) comprehends anything. 99.99999999999999999999999999...% of the universe is unknowing gas and dust. But obviously minds are a big deal... obviously.

@tomsmith2361

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiralsun1 U a trip👍😎

@FortyBlack

2 жыл бұрын

I hope people realize you are the ones inside the creators mind , that is played out in real life , this creator is a child on both ends of the spectrum of genders together , we're not in control of anything , but that would be KHAOS then , original Greek mythology actually , and you can't separate them , the God particle either , after all it's man or religions that says KHAOS is just space , well if that's the Omniverse and it's a brain synapses then it's her/his mind we're in , and I know she/he can see we're being literally disrespectful and saying fuck her/him in the face 🤨🤨🤨 when she/he can shut everything down by thinking or talking about , don't forget feelings and emotions to , cosmic conscious huh ? 🤔🤔🤔

The self-discover through eye that our limbs miraculously connect to the focus of our vision, booted our consciousness from this first act of self-awareness, an event that probably occurred sometime in the first ½ year of our life.

I love this idea! One way to think about it could be that as we move through time, the observations we make allow us to unlock new dimensions of existence, which themselves have their own pasts.. and perhaps we inherit those as we move through time. I’m trying really hard not to say “Mandela effect” haha

I like his ideas, he makes a lot of sense to me

Thanks for the video. Volume level on this video is quiet low, though.

Great talk! I believe that the bizarre results of quantum mechanics experiments - as well as the fact that a century after the first ones, we still don't have any good explanation for them - suggest that future explanations would shatter our perceptions of time, causality and other fundamental concepts. Like Davies I think (or believe) it is very likely that consciousness will play a role in the new explanations too. In summary, how I see it is that about a century ago, early QM experiments yielded some very strange results. From then until today science failed to produce a theory to explain these results. So we can look at them as being some kind of a locked door - which we know beyond which there is a very different and bizarre world - but we are still banging our heads against it and have not yet found the key.

How can a spiritual being impact a material universe? How can He create matter if God is made of spirit? Quantum Mechanics have explained to us that matter can be influenced by thought, observation, Measurement, etc.

@pentosmelmac8679

2 жыл бұрын

We can because we are the observer(s). The cosmic dreamers projecting the so called reality of this world. The past is fuzzy because only a small portion of it has been attended to by the observers. We can interpolate the in between bits by our knowledge of what we have actually seen. What is in our field of view, or the combined fields of view of all observers, has already been resolved and is knowable with some degree of certainty.

@ik1408

2 жыл бұрын

Quantum mechanics does not explain the world. It only offers contradictory interpretations of semi-empirical equations.

@deanodebo

2 ай бұрын

“Matter” is your assumption. You can’t justify the “physical” beyond your experience. Also, your claim that a creator should be subject to your logic or what “makes sense” is beyond a stretch.

When one creates a computer or the Internet, the computer World or the Internet universe or the CyberWorld, that Creator does not reside inside the computer nor does he reside inside the Internet. That Creator resides outside of our known material universe, outside of our space and time.

@gustanto1981

2 жыл бұрын

so what is your conclusion?

@gustanto1981

2 жыл бұрын

@Ashton Mitch no we are not.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

What creator, all humans started as organs in a woman body. You have no idea what you're babbling about, do you?

@avecina6460

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 The Creator God our Heavenly Parent!! Hahahaha🤣😅🤣 Who else ? All humans came from one Human father(ADAM) ... Woman( EVE) came from The Rib of a MAN...🤣🤣😅. So, GOD , the ONE( something = harmonious union of masculinity and femeninity, positivity and negativity) the origin, Out from himself divided into two entity, in His image and likeness( petential, consciousness, creativity, Love, life, intellect, emotion.. ect ect ect..)) Man(humans) has becomes the likeness ( children) of a God.. Thsts Gods substance and DNA in you Humans....hahahah Very ambitious idea huh...hahaha you becoming the child of the Creator??? Whoahhhhhh.... haha, But its TRUE, we have no where else to go, no other realistically conclusion... folks your intellect, emotion( , ethics, morality/ Love ,. note!! Love has no evolution ) and Will did not originate from APE, But from your Parent , GOD....You resemble your parent God... Its just that something happened and went wrong in the Garden of Eden... the Fall of Man...

@Civilizashum

2 жыл бұрын

@@avecina6460 a story fit for a child

It is the inherent nature of consciousness to expand, thought also expands but is limited to the mere fulfilment of experiences. Where thought ceases consciousness comes alive...

What a great physicist and philosopher! He always puts a new spin to things that is very intriguing and surprising. So enjoyable...

Definition of consciousness: sensory perception combined with thought, memory, and/or imagination. Did I leave anything out? There is confusion among some in academics. They state that consciousness is an outcome of those things. The truth is that consciousness is those things.

@adriancioroianu1704

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah i have the same feeling regarding the confusion, people should start with a definition first to at least understand better what they try to say. Regarding your particular definition i don't agree that all of those ARE conciousness. They can alter it, but they aren't it per se. Your can be perfectly concious for example and be free of any imagination interference or memory or tought. I experienced that myself. Its weird but it is possible. Conciousness is impossible to be an illusion in my view. The self or ego and free will are (or can be) illusions but conciousness cannot be an illusion no matter what. Even if we are simulated right now we still have a concious experience. The fact that "something is hapenning" from your perspective is the ultimate proof of conciousness.

@keithgreenan1850

2 жыл бұрын

Right behind you eyes there is a thereness or Ines. It is the sky of your mind. It is not thought or feeling but all thought and feeling exist in it.

Saw Paul Davies name and clicked. Glad I did.

This is actually a very profound idea. Consciousness (which is a part of the universe) determines the universe (including its laws) through observation of the universe in such a way that it is self consistent with the existence of consciousness. It seems like something like this must be right. But it leaves questions unanswered: 1. What is the fundamental stuff from which the possible laws arise. I guess he is thinking of the string theory landscape or something similar. 2. Some kind of observing consciousness seems to need to come first to start resolving the universe. How did that take special status over the other possibilities? 3. Is self-consistency is enough? I would think there are many ways an observer could be consistent with the laws and state of universe. Why we have this one? Are all of them happening somewhere?

The problem with alternative histories is that you would not get the big bang, as probability would suggest that it would be equally likely that the universe was never created. Thus Initial conditions are an absolute pre-requisite for existence otherwise we would not be here. Thus it is a fundamental inconsistency to suggest that we can have both pre-defined initial conditions alongside infinite histories. Also the two arrows of time are contrary to infinite histories otherwise we cannot have a unique moment of creation.

@ayoubzahiri1918

2 жыл бұрын

there is no thing such as time, there is only the infinite now

@julianmann6172

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayoubzahiri1918 Not true, there is space time as shown by Minkowski and Einstein. GR proved over and over again. There is not only time but also retro causality. Time has 2 arraows.

Nothing leads. To GOD but JESUS

@williamesselman3102

2 жыл бұрын

Amen (Yeshua)

Low audio sir

I found his discussion fascinating!

I’m glad people are catching up to this idea. I actually wrote about the exact feature of human knowledge in this universe that he is talking about. I’m glad I didn’t end up like the other people of the past who died and then we look back and go, gee! I guess they were right. After it’s to late for them to interact properly with people. And then when we do look back, other people don’t get what is going on. I can tell anyone in any area of human inquiry what is wrong with their interpretations. It goes so much farther than that no one would believe me 20 years ago. I wrote a 350 page book and a bunch of papers about this and all human history. I am glad the information explosion has allowed people to see. Because it is very important. And that is exactly right. In order to keep existing, if you like that sort of thing 😂, we have to keep going. Because I figured out we are going SOMEWHERE. Thus the title of my first book “The Textbook of the Universe: the genetic ascent to God” back in 2001. Basically predicted the trajectory of human thought, can actually predict many things, and have done so. Also, I included experimental evidence. I used to teach experimental methodology and data interpretation so that helped. 😂 I totally love both these guys. If people said “well, why don’t you marry them, then?” And I would be like “OK”. 🥰🤷‍♀️😂

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

Please don’t shoot the messenger. Of the few reviews (10) your book received on Amazon, not very flattering. “The book is about hatred and the stupidest book I’ve ever read”. Another reviewer…”the book is basically unreadable. It was White Supremacy wrapped in fake science, unfalsifiable claims….”run do not walk away from the piece of trash”.

This thing here is unexplained---it's unexplainable. Therefore God must have done it. This is solid proof God exists. My church meets on Sunday at 11:00.

Sometimes both the idea appeals to me equally . One idea that there is no mind just an illusion of experience representing a physical world The other is that all that exists is the mind and there is no separate physical world

I am really surprised such highly paid professors as the guest may be I just can't believe he said consciousness fell down from the universe. Also man is transforming the universe.

When are you going to California to meet Quantum Gravity Research team?

I think what we've done in consciousness lead us away from God because of the ego, which is much like the demiurge. As children, pure and just conscious, without contamination to the soul we are more connected to the Divine and thus closer to God. I've seperated myself from the wordly affairs, labels, propaganda, religions, government. I seek Divinity, Intellect of God(Nous or Intuition), greater Spiritual presence in being. Just being more conscious like a child than being in the subconscious and trying to prove to everyone why I'm right. A pure Soul will recieve Nous -- your connect to the Divine. Gnosis is the greatest science, and we are the most sophisticated spiritually integrated in the physical technology there is.

@Civilizashum

2 жыл бұрын

yet your argument is, on the face of it, insisting on an argument that's right, and while affirming nothing but based in your assessment of something which you argue is 'wrong' (the ego leads away from God). You don't elucidate how that works at all, or define God or any of that. "a pure Soul" strikes me as impossible and a nonsense, and it definitely strikes me as "I know I'm right and you lot are wrong".

@Civilizashum

2 жыл бұрын

"I've seperated myself from [...] propaganda"/sic Propaganda is spinning concepts in favor of a particular desirable; 'Gnosis is the greatest science' IS propaganda, the argument to God IS propaganda. It may be apollitical, but you're spinning the concept towards a desirability. Not sure the undefined concept 'Gnosis' is in itself science in literal terms, it's rather more like calling the sport of boxing 'the sweet science', poetic license. So "the greatest science' propagandizes. Selling you dish soap employs propaganda.

@S3RAVA3LM

2 жыл бұрын

@@Civilizashum why would I need to argue myself into existence or prove my experience to others. I'm not seeking your validation or approval, you never displayed anything that's sublime or scintillating for why you should even be considered. Cya bro.

When you see an object ( matter, mind, abstract,etc ) , there are two things, 1. The object 2. Existence If you remove existence, the object disappear but existence cannot disappear. f you remove object. This can be very hard to understand. Ex, Wave and water If you remove water from wave , wave disappear but if you remove wave from water the water still remains.

God is not a separate entity.. It is your consciousness that is God.. Enlightenment that you are not separated from nature, you are the pure existence that is God..

Consciousness creates mechanics that we can comprehend by using the scientific method. And I mean the rigorous, proper or statistically grounded science, people misuse the word. With both the notion of awareness and science we can transform ourselves, which is the beginning to transform the world.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

Mechanisms exist. Human consciousness observes it and at best manipulates it. We certainly don’t create the fundamental mechanisms

@DaGrybo

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickm5853 you are right. But the way you say it, shows me what you are trying to attack. Human consciousness is based on mechanisms that are not exclusive to your body. Observer is fundamental to the universe.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

@@DaGrybo I’ve been known attack my yard work every week.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree about an observer being fundamental. A creator, yes

@DaGrybo

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickm5853 I think I actually misread what you said. I agree more than I thought.

Another, just as important question- does conciousness lead to dog?

@arjunratnadev

2 жыл бұрын

dog shite

@buttlesschap

2 жыл бұрын

yes

@gordonsirek9001

2 жыл бұрын

Or cat?

Well he’s saying that this text (world) cannot exceed its meaning: permit itself to be turned away from, to return to, to repeat itself outside of its self identify. Can’t be read against its grain.

It actually could be described macroscopically, because what your describing sounds akin to the Bentov Torus.

The pass affects the future which also affects pass a feed back loop I’ve always believed that theory.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

What past has ever been changed?

@gordonsirek9001

2 жыл бұрын

That may be true of mechanical system but not true of non-mechanical systems.

About the capacity for the human mind to transform the planet... how's that working out? The evolutionary success of intelligence and "mind" on the grand scale is still very much in question.

Basically to get down to brass tacks, The nature of consciousness and its whole purpose is to exist just as something that is mailable to meaning . The Purpose of consciousness is to be that which can be easily influenced, and to act as a temporary perceptional buffer between what we believe is us and what we believe is a non-conscious universe . But I won’t say that it’s not something that was stuffed into our bodies by a supernatural being because my consciousness is honest enough to know the Horizons of possible knowledge

@ZekeMagnar

2 жыл бұрын

You said, "But I won’t say that it’s not something that was stuffed into our bodies by a supernatural being because my consciousness is honest enough to know the Horizons of possible knowledge." Exactly! Thank you. He called it "ridiculous", but on his best day he would fall infinitely short of trying to substantiate the claim that it's truly "ridiculous." Just another sad case of people stating their opinion as an absolute fact of reality.

@brandursimonsen4427

2 жыл бұрын

There is a strange set of ideas instantiated in intersectionality, critical race theory and even fascism. Go tuck yourself in it.

i agree with this guy

consciousness is not an object to observe rather it is an ultimate subject. the only way to know what it is to become it totally.

This got me thinking...why does the unknown exist? If we are born of the universe, should we not know it?

@3:40 Paul Davis said that mind emerges out of nature, but I haven't found anywhere his explanation of how that could happen (not how it happened) or at least pointing to that coherent and comprehensive explanation somewhere else. Did I miss it?

@tajzikria5307

11 ай бұрын

Nature arises from consciousness. I don't agree with this.

@tajzikria5307

11 ай бұрын

Meaning consciousness is fundamental in my opinion

Consciousness as merely an illusion is absurd. By what means does one experience the illusion?

@Manysdugjohn

2 жыл бұрын

In simpler words, you need consciousness to experience illusion.

@simesaid

2 жыл бұрын

And the "Daisycutter" award for the clearest, most concise *and* cutting riposte of the week goes to...you. Please accept this humble Knee-capped®️ statuette 🧎🏻‍♂️

@John14-6...

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness cannot explained by those who believe in only natural processes and a materialism view.

@belablasco6681

2 жыл бұрын

The idea that you have an individual consciousnes is an illusion, that your "self" is a separate, unique entity and that your identity operates from inside your skull is a thought or conception.

@John14-6...

2 жыл бұрын

@@belablasco6681 Really? How do you know what your saying is true if it's just an illusion? Also how can I believe what your saying is true if it comes from a consciousness that is only an illusion?

Does consciousness emerge out of quantum field or is paasing through it?

The one that knows doubt, has none. The one that knows confusion, has none.

Consciousness leads to the Universe.

Does Paul Davies believe in a Creator yes or no? Can anyone inform me more about it? Why does he always have to give open/ chaotic answers? Just say yes or no.

Absolute truth, is nothing other than consciousness. Consciousness Is nothing other than yourself. You know yourself. Who is confused?

The greatest fallacy is the concept of the individual. Consciousness is a whole and we perceive individuality simply because of evolution.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

Since you don’t exist, who posted this?

Is what we observe today determining the past, or has the past determined what we’ll observe today?

He said “consciousness is a vehicle to comprehension”. Well that is simply an observation of what consciousness does, not what it is. Too much education makes people say the most incoherent things. The correct answer is that scientists have no natural explanation of what consciousness is.

@seangrieves4359

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is who we are not what we do. Scientists and everyone else. Absolute truth need not be sought to be found. Absolute unchanging truth seeks in itself for itself. The feeling this creates is loneliness and separation. No seeker nothing sought. Everything found.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

@@seangrieves4359 Sean, thanks for your nonsensical reply.

@seangrieves4359

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickm5853 because everything the mind conceives it believes. Prior to the infinite potential of thought is only infinite potential. You are welcome.

@rickm5853

2 жыл бұрын

@@seangrieves4359 more nonsense thanks again

@seangrieves4359

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickm5853 you are crystal clarity. Transparent. Again not only are you welcome. You welcome everything. Even the things you identify with. Including but not limited to ideas, opinions, people, situations experiences. Even the thought of a conversation or experience mind labels dislike then claims this thought as it's own. All these you most welcome.

It seems that Davies here is very close to Rupert Sheldrake's notion of physical laws as more like habits than laws.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

So apple can fly straight up in the sky from a tree or sideways?

That’s certainly one or two paths…

And where does spirit fit in with all this? We are all familiar with it, "spirited discussion" etc.

@josephvalentine4251

2 жыл бұрын

Good question. I believe as humans we are aware or conscious of body, mind and soul, witch are seemingly separated aspects of the physical, the mental and the spiritual. If consciousness is thought of as infinite or whole/complete it overflows like a vat in the spiritual aspect of our awareness. Feeding the circle of life with energy from being conscious. Awareness is creating in consciousness and created in spirit.

consciousness something like the icloud ?

The question should be reversed: Does God lead to consciousness?

@scullyfbi4196

2 жыл бұрын

We've already tried that idea for way too long. It's time we looked at the other side of the coin. 🪙

I think therefore I am, beyond that it's anybody's guess what is real and true.

_"I've been fascinated with consciousness my whole life"_ What exactly were you fascinated with? Were you fascinated with a certain definition of consciousness?

The answer to the question depends upon your definition of consciousness. If you define consciousness as waiting for God to make himself present in your mind, what you're really talking about is your imagination, not your consciousness.

Have you guys ever discovered memory out of consciousness as Einsteins ghost theory combined with out of body subconscious and that's called congratulated grace out of man's blind uncontrolled consciousness

One thing is for sure, this guy’s intelligence lies somewhere between me and the smartest person who ever lived.

1. Everything is a result of evolution. (Law of Cause and Effect) 2. Who designed or programmed evolution? Who programmed the Laws of Physics? (Nothing existed before the Big Bang, not even Time)

@browngreen933

2 жыл бұрын

We have no way of knowing what happened before the Big Bang. Therefore, we can't state that nothing existed before the BB. We just don't know.

@browngreen933

2 жыл бұрын

@@bennyskims Exactly. Similarly, the human mind creates gods and other mythical beings, not the other way around.

@hkicgh7277

2 жыл бұрын

@@browngreen933 There are many Routes to knowledge, one of which is Instinct e.g 1) we know for a fact that we exist (no prove required) 2) we know that mind comes from mind (even if we don't know what preceded it) 3) we also that every matter in the universe is dependent on something else other than itself, hence the universe itself (even though we cannot conceptualize what preceded the material universe) You don't need to go to school to know this, its a hardware ingrained in EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING and it is constantly trying to be erased in schools and colleges (ironically).

@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll

2 жыл бұрын

There is no proven law of cause and effect. At least Hume argues one cannot get to it through reason.

He didn't answer the question?

It leads to the CUBE aka the 5th dimension.

😅🤣😂 Are all of these episodes, actually the same episode, with different titles? 😂🤣😅

@NikkiTrudelle

2 жыл бұрын

It’s an Inter dimensional paradox, just refresh your browser

God is consciousness on its own height! God: "I am what I will be!" "God" is the point of self realization of life. That's the meaning of the arrival of God!

@simesaid

2 жыл бұрын

Ummmmm...sorry, what was god meaning again? Who is "height"? What is a "quotation mark God"? Why is God suddenly so self-concious? And didn't God say: " let there be *light?"* or was that: *"it is what it is"?*

@scullyfbi4196

2 жыл бұрын

@@simesaid 🤣🤣🤣

We can literally test human minds observation dictate matter and energy .lol Nothing before nothing after human observation. Just how it is

It does because consciousness is the connection between physical and spiritual thus connects us to the Creator.

@lemonde1701

2 жыл бұрын

How would you define the Creator? Surely we must be part of it yet we cant see the whole thing

@ronaldfellion

2 жыл бұрын

@@lemonde1701 Yes we are an aspect of it. I did a video that might give you a better idea of how I experienced creation. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qHZkvMyeoNK1g7A.html

@FortyBlack

2 жыл бұрын

So since the void is KHAOS then , and people said that's the nothing God with no form , in actuality KHAOS is real and not invisible , now to have images from females and males you'd hafta form yourself first , and then everything else to live inside your own creations and still control it , whatever is on gods mind plays out in reality everywhere , seem bipolar childlike imagination , God doesn't need to understand everything on a stupid human thinking , God just creates a does it 💯 it's her/his thoughts anyways not ours

@FortyBlack

2 жыл бұрын

@@lemonde1701 that's the point , God's brain , not yours , that's like when you sleep you're in control

@lemonde1701

2 жыл бұрын

@@FortyBlack Possibly, but then the fact that God creates infinitely doesnt take away the facts that creation causes suffering (and joy too) It is easy to say that we do it to ourselves, but when suffering has been experienced i cant see the benefit of repeating the experience

Although it's not proven, I don't have any doubt that consciousness (subjective or otherwise) is emergent from the most complex information network we know of in the universe, the human brain.. We don't survive death, rather we simply cease to exist upon bodily death. If one believes otherwise, then their explanation must include how their belief conforms with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or an admission that their belief in a designer falls within the category of the metaphysical, not science

Of course countionsness does take u to or guide (god) you to universe and touch the quantum field all you have to do follow the unconditional love towards every thing you consume every second of your day to day life .. be thankful to the universe and people who provide them even you paid for them....cos every thing belongs to the universe and universe dos not accept money....only gratitude....from bottom of ur heart

All the individual minds were created a very long time ago. Some minds render information into visible animals, birds, fish in the water, while other minds render information known as human beings. We are living in a temporary part of the Creation that will end soon now that I fully understand that I AM the Servant of the Creation with a Voice that all created minds will be using to share their life experiences with in the next generation.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

TI always give you a thumb up if you write something extremely dumb :)

@BradHolkesvig

2 жыл бұрын

@@xspotbox4400 I AM the only ONE who knows how we all came into being. None of these fools that are interviewed know what I AM or how they use ME to speak with.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

@@BradHolkesvig Another great one, keep the coming :)

@ariahhumphreys

2 жыл бұрын

Will we be immortal?

The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it's comprehensible- Albert Einstein.

@suatustel746

2 жыл бұрын

Einstein comment out of date know, 90 percent of universe incorporated with dark matter, no one has any ideas what that is??

@hipandcool3285

2 жыл бұрын

Einstein was wrong. There are so many things about the universe that cannot be comprehended.

@suatustel746

2 жыл бұрын

@@hipandcool3285 well Einstein comment was half baked l think what has he meant universe can be comprehended by mathematical calculations no spirituality impressed him maybe one day we'll get the bottom of it simply by applying anew equations...

@brandursimonsen4427

2 жыл бұрын

I understand the universe, it is fuzzy.

@suatustel746

2 жыл бұрын

@@brandursimonsen4427 and requires fuzzy logic, but one thing I'm assured not necessarily meant to be for humans!!!

E= Energy M= Matter C= Light C^2= Consciousness Our physical matter bodies are made of Photons. Light is not infinite because our bodies die. Consciousness however, is infinite. Yes, Consciousness leads to God. God is an allegory for the Source of All things. The All. The All that which contains all.

@Jimr1151

Жыл бұрын

Wrong. Consciousness (subjective or otherwise) is emergent from the most complex information network we know of in the universe, the human brain.. It emerged from evolution, random mutations and natural selection. It qualifies as a "fittest" component. We don't survive death, rather we simply cease to exist upon bodily death. If one believes otherwise, then their explanation must include how their belief conforms with the 2nd law of thermodynamics or an admission that their belief in a designer falls within the category of the metaphysical, not science. In other words, it's "wish thinking", the wish that we somehow survive death. Wish I could say, "see you on the the other side" but I'd be a sell out, lol.

I think therefore am I?

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

So you’re a fan of Moody Blues or Rene Descartes? Congrats. Unfortunately, dualism is out of the mainstream.

With one second on the game clock, a basketball player stands at the foul line. The player has made a thousand shots from the foul line, but this one toss of a rubber ball through the metal basketball hoop is different. This time a successful shot means that his team wins the game, the trophy , the championship, a place in basketball history, more money, more fame and everyone is watching. Of course not everyone is watching, but people who like basketball are watching, the people on his team are watching, the people who support his team and his family are also watching. For the player at the foul line that is everyone. At this point a robot could shoot the ball through the hoop with no concern as to the outcome, there is no pressure on a robot because there is no conscious thought or perception of championship, money, fame or worse... second place. In fact if the player does not shutdown the images of all of the consequences of a bad shot, the thoughts can become a loss of focus on the task at hand and increase the chances of missing the shot. The best thing the opposing team can say is "Don't embarrass yourself," planting images of losing the game in the shooters mind. This is consciousness, the ability to see what has meaning, to know the cause and effect of ones actions on the future. The great players can shutdown this storm of thought, quiet the conscious mind, focus on a well trained muscle memory, and make the shot.

Why is this stuff so mysterious? One out-of-body experience and the mystery is solved. One doesn't need a body-mind-brain to have Consciousness. The Unit of Consciousness is called SOUL, and It doesn't need a body-mind-brain to exist, it only needs those things to operate in this dimension.

@arthurwieczorek4894

2 жыл бұрын

Assuming that's all true, therefore What?

@ariahhumphreys

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus saves

@torresgt720

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you! We've all been conscious for who knows how long the only reason why we can't remember past existence is because "Memory" is located in the physical brain therefore when we die we can't bring them with us.

Or Consciousness gives rise to matter and mind as the substrate of this existence. Consciousness gives rise to 'everything', check out all the great teachers in non-duality like Rupert Spira for a far deeper explanation.

We are not discreet entities, we are each made from a collection of life forms. Bacteria, microscopic species, distinct cells that are each independently alive. Therefore, our “consciousness” does not result from what we think of as ourselves. Our consciousness is a result of those many layers of life in combination. We are not distinct from nature we are only one layer of it. Consciousness is a sense we have that results at only one, amongst many, layers of life in nature. These guys are talking baby talk.

@wildmansamurai3663

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Consciousness IS God

@neffetSnnamremmiZ

2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness on its own height! "I am what I will be!"

Does consciousness lead to myths?! What a ridiculous question.

The "observer" in the statement "the observer plays a significant role in quantum physics" is a very misleading statement in this context. Paul is million times smarter than I am but I have to call him out on that statement. The "observer" does not necessarily mean "conscious" entity. Any macroscopic system that interacts with a quantum system will do. Of course a macroscopic, conscious entity could be an "observer", but not because it is conscious but because it is macroscopic. Entanglement and decoherence are the key. The original experiments were done by people and the word "observer" was used by them. Unfortunately lay people think "conscious" when they hear "observer". And then new age, quantum healing or create your own reality through quantum consciousness thinking happens. The original use of the word "observer" has led to a lot of pseudoscience mischief. Same is true for the case of "god particle" for Higgs Boson. It is said that "observer" collapses the wave function of a electron passing through two slits. If "observer" were to be Bob and Alice and Bob observed the reading at 12pm and Alice observed the reading next day, does it mean the wave function of that electron collapses twice? That is absurd. The wave function of a quantum object like electron collapses as soon as any macroscopic measuring device interacts with it however feebly. IMO there is confusion in the discussion about quantum experiment between multiple events that happen. The original event of the collapse of the wave function happens as soon as the quantum object like electron interacts with a measuring, detecting device. That event is done at that moment. No conscious entity required. The separate event where by conscious entity such as Bob learns about the recorded reading from the measuring device, potentially after much time later is a separate event from the original event of collapse. And Alice becoming aware of the reading, yet another time is yet another event. BTW the instantaneous collapse of the wave function is just one possible, sloppy interpretation of quantum mechanics. There are newer interpretations of quantum mechanics whereby the so called collapse is not an instantaneous phenomenon but happens over, albeit, short span of time as the interaction with environments spreads out, smears out the decoherence. The isolated quantum systems are very sensitive and fragile. The isolation from other macroscopic environment (not conscious entities) is very hard to sustain. That is why quantum computers are hard to build as of today - not because there are conscious entities - people in the room but just the non-conscious lab equipment.

@Deist1

2 жыл бұрын

MAYBE you’re right (just maybe because epistemologically speaking, we can’t step outside of ourselves and measure things WITHOUT being the observers that we in fact are) that it isn’t our consciousness that interferes with quantum activity, but rather the measurement itself. However, consciousness is still necessary to make discoveries about the universe, and this is his main point. The existence of consciousness means that the universe can be understood by parts of itself! Particle colliders aren’t going to engineer themselves into existence out of nothingness. They need to be built and used by conscious, intelligent agents. Consciousness and intelligence also, happily, go hand in hand as of now.

@Sam-hh3ry

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t follow the "consciousness collapses the wave function" idea but people really need to stop parroting this nonsense over and over again. The reality is the measurement problem is an unsolved problem. There is no empirical basis for explaining what constitutes an observer or for how wave function collapse should be conceived of. Your portrayal is simply wrong and glosses over the fact that these are complicated and unresolved issues.

@SandipChitale

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sam-hh3ry I have not made any portrayals. Wave function collapse does not *REQUIRE* "conscious" observer is a fact of physics. If we put a detector at one slit of a double slit experiment the so-called wave like behavior disappears, irrespective of someone observing it. You can video record the screen to record what happened after placing the detector and watch that video in million years and you will see that fact. Not sure what you mean by "empirical basis for explaining what constitutes an observer or for how wave function collapse should be conceived of".

@SandipChitale

2 жыл бұрын

@@Deist1 Well for a specific person to become aware of the value of the measurement, obviously - by definition - requires that specific person. In other words if person A becomes aware of the value of the measurement does not make the person B aware of it automatically. The point is that we need to make a separation between when the quantum measurement took place (measured value stored in the memory of measuring device) from some conscious entity becoming aware of that value. The first event happens once in a quantum experiment. The second type of event happens when every time a new, distinct conscious entity becomes aware of that value. Basically I am trying to show the non-need of "conscious" entity to cause the objective measurement itself. Hope that clarifies.

@Sam-hh3ry

2 жыл бұрын

@@SandipChitale just look up the measurement problem if you’re unfamiliar. There are at least a dozen different ways of interpreting QM, each of which makes different claims about how we should think of observers, measurements, and wave functions.

Consciousness leads to truth, and truth is the ground of sense and reason.

Reading his books you feel you´re more closer to de whole

A particle is an element of an irreducible representation of the symmetry group of the Lagrangian- A hyper rationalist. Oh, that's just activity in the infinite field of consciousness- A mystic wise person.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

No, it isn't, nothing like that exist or could exist, you are making stuff up in your ignorant brains.

Which one is more absurd? 1. nothing created the universe (Big Bang) 2. someone or something created the universe. (The First Cause)

@samhangster

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoisySplatter why does a thing have to be made of substance

@foxmeisteruk

2 жыл бұрын

Unless you can demonstrate that those are the *only* two alternatives, all you’ve done here is created a false dichotomy… You’ve also introduced an uncaused cause, presumably just to prevent an infinite regress, which is not only special pleading, but also likely to be an argument from incredulity, which is a logical fallacy.

@samhangster

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoisySplatter not necessarily, only by our known laws of physics must things which can store or instantiate properties or activities be a “thing”, have mass, or be made of something.

@samhangster

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoisySplatter you can’t deduce physical laws of nature from logic alone, sorry to break it to you buddy. Your premises are flawed

@SandipChitale

2 жыл бұрын

As if these are the only two choices?

Consciousness or the soul is like water. The water in my dispenser will eventually go back to the ocean. There is only one Collective consciousness in the universe similar to only one Collective water in the vast ocean of space (or universe). That's why we are immortal, because we want to experience infinite number of experiences (ie, 5 senses, feeling of accomplishment, Love) ; The infinite cycle of Life and Death is a travelogue.

@publiusovidius7386

2 жыл бұрын

lol. You are no more immortal than a bacterium.

@bajajones5093

2 жыл бұрын

Dongsheng, you are so correct. a lovely comment on a most mysterious entity.

@sol0matrix

2 жыл бұрын

Aliens said the sum of all minds in the universe equals 1 now I understand that statement.

@Maru_812

2 жыл бұрын

@@sol0matrix which aliens?

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

I think i do have water all over my body, but it's most definitely not responsible for my self awareness. Thoughts are electricity, electricity and water don't mix well.

'Everything, also consciousness is warped space in higher dimensions and so actually it's nothing more than geometry." That sounds intellectual but it's of course bullshit I make it up. Nevertheless, somehow the universe and consciousness must have some kind of absurd explanation like that. I don't see how it could be something we can understand.

In my case, conciousness leads to atheism. The evidence bar is extremely high in my case. And even then… is this God or a highly technical highly advanced ET lifeform?

Dogs look at us wondering why we have no consciousness

One day all of our knowledge will be lost when mankind is no more. So, will it really mean anything too this reality in the end. Probably not !

It appears to have the opposite effect. I'm willing to bet that the animals are closer to God than we who are so proud of our thinking that we presume to understand the nature of God.

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

Firstly, why do invoke God as it is some assumed fact? To the contrary. So, would you like to revisit your assumption and if not, please tell us why. We await your response.

If a bullet goes through my brain I do not think I will be conscious anymore.

For thousands of years, humans looked up in the sky and viewed the motion of the Sun and stars in the sky as the confirmation of their thought that earth is the center of the Universe, the Sun and stars revolve around it. Their observations and opinions should have shaped the history of the Universe. But the stubborn Universe refused to comply with the human observers.

@spiralsun1

2 жыл бұрын

There is a coherent and excellent answer to this. I know exactly why they were both right and wrong about that. Why they were confused and now so are you as a result of their misinformation. 😂🤷‍♀️❤️ Excellent point though. I have thought through extensively every one of these types of paradoxes in human epistemological history. And when you consider all the information and misinformation together and where it comes from then you can see the pattern with almost mathematical precision. I even know exactly what people of history like Leonardo DaVinci and Akhenaton etc was thinking when he did things and people don’t know how to interpret it correctly. I am writing another book now which will pull humans back on track so we don’t destroy ourselves or have a huge war or something, or both. Probably both. Doesn’t matter because I can avert that. I also studied why wars and conflicts happen. I can stop all those too. Call me overconfident or insane if you like. I don’t care about that. Once people read what I wrote, then they will see clearly that history and humanity all fit together in a single way. All human thought. And the universe and how it works. That’s what I have been doing for quite a while now. So have a great day and keep wondering and keep being skeptical. I love this ❤️👍🏻

@ik1408

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiralsun1 I am not confused. You can understand what they are talking about and what I am talking about only if you are familiar with quantum mechanics and interpretations of the delayed-choice quantum eraser. Humans have developed several major cosmological theories based on what they saw in the sky and how they interpreted it/wanted it to be. If indeed, human observers can influence/collapse wave functions of the cosmic conditions by seeing what they want to see, then even the wrong cosmological theories would have become a reality corresponding to what human observers have been "seeing" in the skies for millennia. Considering that old cosmological theories get discarded as wrong theories, the topic of human observers defying the past parameters of the Universe is doubtful.

@hal_0017

2 жыл бұрын

@@spiralsun1 I'd like to read this...

@dbk5816

2 жыл бұрын

If anything this proves that the believe in god is an ingrained intuition in humans and this is an evidence of god. You could also say that since the last century humans became stubborn and thought they could explain anything with the advance of science, turns out science is pointing to the existence of a god. Advances in cosmology showed that the universe is incredibly fine-tuned and advances in biology showed how difficult the abiogenesis problem is. Materialism also utterly fails at explaining consciousness and free will, every approach that tries to explain consciousness materialistically is reductionist in nature.

@ayoubzahiri1918

2 жыл бұрын

@@dbk5816 evolution is enough to prove god, you looking at yourself in the mirror is a proof of god, being alive is a proof of god, but yet big ego scientists will remain delusional; i had a direct experience of god, he is all there is in this existence and WE are the illusions

God is no more “outside the universe” than we the observers are.

Consciousness does lead to God. The only God you have are the one on earth. The ones richer and stronger than you. In the end rich or poor, a human is a human one day to be gone.

Life and/or consciousness is like water. The cosmos is the source of life as the ocean is the source of water. The water is one and at the same time, water can be many. The water in my home is different from the water in the ocean , even though it came from the ocean. And when I make a beverage into a cup, then that water becomes different with its own individuality. It becomes my tea, my coffee, my juice, etc. The spirit is like Life in the cosmos, and/or the water in the ocean. When a spirit becomes alive in some life form, ie. plants or animals, then that life becomes unique with its own personality or individuality.

@xspotbox4400

2 жыл бұрын

Water is H2O molecules and is exactly the same all around our planet. It might taste different because nobody drinks pure water, it's always full of various impurities. There are other combinations of hydrogen and oxygen, but those are not present in natural living environment.

When consciousness comes, God vanishes.

Consiousness is Brahman.It is holistic without parts.Space,Time,Matter and Shared world is dreamed up in waking state .It is similar to normal dream state.Sleep gives a exact picture when none of it is done.

The topic is does consciousness lead to God? Yet, they discuss physics. Here is a hint: Consciousness created the universe for the purpose of observing it. Consciousness has always existed and always will exist but the physical universe comes and goes. Only consciousness can know consciousness. But to look for consciousness in the universe is to look in the wrong direction. Look back into your own consciousness and be aware of it. Then you have a possibility of knowing and understanding it.

Transform the universe by human?! That scary im rooting for human termination

@ariahhumphreys

2 жыл бұрын

Some will be terminated by God

I leads to endless theory ...

Yes, consciousness leads to God. God is everything, the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last. Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV) “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” John 1:10 King James Version (KJV) “He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.”

@Unconskep

2 жыл бұрын

Your brainwashed, consciousness is physical, if consciousness was spiritual it would not be affected by such diseases like Alzheimers etc, if consciousness can be affected by disease or a physical blow to the head which can cause permanent brain damage, or if a boxer is knocked unconscious then consciousness has been physicality affected, providing consciousness is physical.

@FredericEJohnson

2 жыл бұрын

@@Unconskep I'm conscious enough to know you meant You're. Well, if nothing was here (physical matter) in the beginning, until the Big Bang which may have been a spiritual event or just an idea or illusion springing from an eternal like consciousness then how can it be physical? So, you are an Alzheimer expert too? Does a computer really have consciousness because it's physical and with it's electrical source turned on it should have consciousness according to your own brainwashed thinking. Another question, when the computer is on standby would it lose it's consciousness that you have implied it having because it's physical? I believe that God's spirit is in superposition in everything living and it is He who gives rise to our consciousness, our living soul, which is created and tied to Him through our physical bodies.

@Unconskep

2 жыл бұрын

@@FredericEJohnson you're comparing a man made machine to living tissue, with atoms and cells etc ,thats like comparing a fish to a whale and saying there both the same . If a biblical God created the entire universe and all of it's laws of physics, does God follow Gods own laws, or can God supersede his own laws such as travelling faster than the speed of light and thus being in two different places at the same time, there are new stars and planets all the time, so how does God make new stars and planets billions in light years away at the same time. Even if you could travel at the speed of light 300,000 km/ second, it would still take you 100,000 years just to travel across our own milky way, To prove anything beyond reasonable doubt you must provide mechanism What is Gods mechanism ????? If you think God is outside of space and time, then God can never ever be proven and will remain a figment of your superstitious imagination.

@FredericEJohnson

2 жыл бұрын

@@Unconskep Well, you didn't tell me all your rules about atoms and all the other quantum particles that make up the universe and all physical things like a computer. I'm comparing physical things to other physical things which is correct because I'm not comparing physical things to spiritual things. A computer and a human are both physical things, NOT spiritual things. If God is the Word, as it says in John 1:1, then He can probably do whatever He says. I don't think that God is traveling at all to be in superposition, it's more like entanglement and probably something even more fantastic that we may never understand. I believe that everything is still connected to whatever was the source of the big bang. I think that we and the universe are part of God, so God is in every single particle, He is everywhere and yet He is also outside of space and time. He is a spiritual being NOT a physical being. Yes, God may never be proven to exist through science, THAT'S why they call it FAITH. It's not just my imagination, but my heart, faith and reasoning. It's too bad that you don't have enough imagination to see God or you just don't want to. Ecclesiastes 3:11 King James Version 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. Romans 1:20 King James Version 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

@Unconskep

2 жыл бұрын

@@FredericEJohnson you need faith, because if you had proof you wouldn't need faith, religion is superstition and nothing more, the more superstitious you are the more religious you will be, All religion is man made, if one God made it all up by himself, then there would be no diversity in religion because all religious texts would come from the same source. Superstition ( definition) A......a belief or practice resulting from ignorance, fear of the unknown,trust in magic or chance or a false conception of causation. B.........an irrational abject attitude of mind towards the supernatural ,nature or God resulting from superstition. C.......a notion maintained despite evidence to the contrary. ( Merriam Webster English dictionary since 1825 ) Preaching from a fictional book doesn't make it real .the bible your reading is the most edited, exaggerated, copied, misinterpreted, corrupted book ever written. Once something is to be interpreted, then it is already flawed, as there is no authority on interpretation, so interpretation is just an opinion and in your case a superstitious opinion.

_"Does Consciousness Lead to God?"_ Lol. Wrong question. The question should be: "Where does consciousness lead to?" or "Does consciousness lead anywhere?"

I'd like to be part of a drama in which humans are the central figure. I'd like to believe in God who is all powerful. But what I want to be true cannot be true... Or maybe I don't know.

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

That is true honesty and it’s an admirable, honest admission. You’re a free thinker.

Not sure why I keep seeing this channel high up on my KZread feed, having unsubscribed several months ago. It’s interesting to a point, but eventually one sees that our gracious host is incessantly asking the same questions over and over, ad infinitum.

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

But is his altruistic endeavor, getting him, “Closer to the Truth?”…lol

@stanh24

Жыл бұрын

@@frankkockritz5441 thanks for the question. I think he’s more interested in the search than in the answer.

@frankkockritz5441

Жыл бұрын

@@stanh24 I think he might concur with your thought because the biggest questions can perhaps never be answered, ie, Lennard Susskind, Sabine, others. Experimental physics may be close to its capabilities because of the energies, money and other limitations required to even consider the scale, scope of the experiments

@stanh24

Жыл бұрын

@@frankkockritz5441 if we consider the question posed in this episode, it’s not even a scientific question, really. Take 2 vague concepts, consciousness and deity, and ask a physicist of all people, if one leads to the other. Pfft!

"it does not lead to God" and then the lovely Davies start to talk 10 minutes about things that lead, at least, to an higher consciousness. Randomness would not have created the need of an observer.