This dudes pretty transparent about being a trans parent

@Chez114

2 жыл бұрын

This was really good 🤣🤣🤣

@dirtypagan5793

2 жыл бұрын

Now this is what the comment section should be filled with. The only pain a trans youth should feel is from the cringe of dad jokes. Another one- A father greeted his gender fluid kid when they woke up in the morning with, well is a daughter day or a Sunday?

@Chez114

2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtypagan5793 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 That's as dad joke as it gets. Love it

@Cypher81

2 жыл бұрын

🤭

@Jordan-bb4xt

2 жыл бұрын

Bro 😂

My friend is struggling to get hrt for the menopause which is destroying her health. This is not just a trans issue this is a failure due to Tory cuts

@lat-roc9733

2 жыл бұрын

But think of how proud you feel when budget savings, not cuts are announced that do not discriminate in their indiscrimination.

@checkeredcheese

2 жыл бұрын

Everyone has trouble getting treatment for anything through the nhs, yes, but it's a lot harder for trans people and that is the point of the video. Your comment is typical whataboutism.

@momokoishida5402

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think you understand that although your friend is struggling it is a major issue for trans ppl. There is a lack of resources to help trans ppl in general.

@omnisciency

2 жыл бұрын

@@checkeredcheese Well the whole comment section is all whataboutism towards cisgender people so you must be very selective. None of us benefit from a underfunded healthcare system.

@checkeredcheese

2 жыл бұрын

@@omnisciency None of us benefit from an underfunded healthcare system oh really? I didn't know that, cheers for saying something of value... When theres a video about a specific condition and the lack of treatment - why would people sidetrack the conversation like this i wonder? oh and wheres the "whataboutism towards cisgender people" i dont even understand what that could mean. Are you just going "i know you are but what am I" without knowing what im saying? The topic is trans rights so it'd be a bit werid to call comments about trans rights "whataboutsim" i dont think you really know what youre talking about.

The NHS is barely hanging on by a thread. Fix the NHS then you’ll have better service.

@greystone5915

2 жыл бұрын

That's not actually true, it genuinely is still one of the most robust healthcare systems in the world, yes it's overworked and at times underfunded, but to say it's haging on by a thread is an awful exaggeration

@brennanwn

2 жыл бұрын

@@greystone5915 That is so true

@varrantgreen4259

2 жыл бұрын

Um... What? Ya the Brits are trying to remove the health care system. So I can see the politictions deliberately sabotaging the NHS so they can privrtized it and make it extreemly worse

@tvrtvr6984

2 жыл бұрын

Obesity has secured the death of the NHS in the future.

@tcskips

2 жыл бұрын

Or better yet privatise it

It’s very difficult to explore this topic without getting the wider political issue: the squeeze in funding the NHS has seen over the past decade. The institution collapsing isn’t just going to occur overnight, it’s slowly happening: important services get cut off one by one, waiting lists creep up etc. I am surprised none of these conversations connected the experiences of those interviewed to government decisions.

@TalynStormcrow

2 жыл бұрын

There's nothing new in this lack of care.

@dalelane1948

2 жыл бұрын

Can’t understand why a population group of less than 0.5% with such massive voice in the media don’t get 10x the funding of every one else?

@MsTendus

2 жыл бұрын

@@dalelane1948 the media hates trans people. You must no be from England if you don't know that.

@DavidThomas-fz1qi

2 жыл бұрын

The wider political issue is bolstering the pernicious withholding of exceptionally time sensitive care and it's currently unique amongst so called civilised nations. The UK insists on standing alone on this. It smacks of Empire and class. We have a service here that prides itself on being free and accessible at 'the point of need' the NHS have subverted that by making themselves the arbiter of that 'point of need' there is real cruelty in how this operates and patients bear lifetime physical scarring because of it. It's unnecessary, it's unfair and it's plain wrong. We've already heard a consultant suggest that throttling back trans care is better for the country and it's not about giving a patient what they want (decent timeous healthcare).

@JasS19362

2 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThomas-fz1qi I take your point - adding multiple steps of gatekeeping to access something like hormones smacks of having an agenda around this specific issue, they’d in fact save money and time by simply removing these unnecessary steps

irregardless of what your stance on trans peoples rights are you've gotta be able to admit that doing surgery on people that's supposed to be followed up with more surgery and then not doing that additional surgery thus leaving them with broken defunct bodies is fucking despicable I mean even if you think they shouldn't have been able to get surgery in the first place you should be able to see that it's fucked up

@Amberxxbbunni

Жыл бұрын

No it doesn’t. It helps them. Many surgies are followed up other surgies

@axelnilsson2031

Жыл бұрын

​@@Amberxxbbunni I don't understand what you are saying.

@morriganblack7394

Жыл бұрын

No they need therapy, not self mutilation surgery. Gender dysphoria is a mental condition and should be treated as such, that's just a fact

@rowanhunter5002

Жыл бұрын

​@@axelnilsson2031 many other non gender surgeries are followed up with more. These people consent to it

@Amberxxbbunni

Жыл бұрын

@@axelnilsson2031 I’m pretty sure I was saying that the surgery’s help and don’t leave them dysfunctional

It's the NHS in general, it's shocking how long people have to wait my brother has autism and he wasn't diagnosed till he was 19. By that point he's over 18 so not a priority and most of the crucial time for change passed.

@QEnKA1989

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree! And now with covid it's pushed it back even further and I can't see a end😔

@nebula8851

2 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. Some areas need more funding, but the current system for trans healthcare needs burning to the ground. The current crisis is entirely the result of how the existing system was built, it's not fixable with any amount of funding.

@s.wright6945

2 жыл бұрын

I'm autistic and didnt get diagnosed until I was 54.

@happydillpickle

Жыл бұрын

Yes. And dental treatment has become completely non existent for many NHS patients in the UK.

@RealtalkManc

Жыл бұрын

Don’t talk silly

This is more to do with collapsing healthcare infrastructure rather than it being culture war issue.

@bibtebo

2 жыл бұрын

It takes two sides to fight a war, and I swear 90% of people who talk about culture wars have no idea that they are perpetuating them. Not you of course.

@tsarnicholasii274

Жыл бұрын

@@bibtebo Yeah, god forbid trans people try and stand up against discrimination.

Tories - cut corporate tax Also Tories - we ran out of money sowwe we have to cut public services :(((

@ellewilliams5162

2 жыл бұрын

I’m tired of people suggesting this is the tories fault. The issues with trans healthcare in the uk have existed before they came into power

@kristenroberts4502

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to formally apologize on behalf of America for infecting your nation with our stupid.

@blorb2120

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellewilliams5162 I was talking about in general buckaroo...

@ellewilliams5162

2 жыл бұрын

@@blorb2120 if that’s the case how is this a relevant place to post that?

@blorb2120

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellewilliams5162 ... it's because it's one part of a much larger issue

Blaming the NHS is wrong. The NHS has been underfunded by the tories and just cannot cope. Yes my heart breaks for you but it does for me too. I'm severely ill and disabled and can't get the help I desperately need either. It's the far right government at fault NOT the NHS.

@JazzBoat_

2 жыл бұрын

this is definitely true but we can't also ignore that the NHS definitely has issues with gatekeeping, bigotry and bad practices that need to be fixed the GIC want people to be out in public as their preferred gender for a year before they're prescibed hormones; not only is this dangerous to these people, but also torturous as well.

@DrAngryMongoose

2 жыл бұрын

The NHS rigidly insists on a broken model and this is a major cause of the problems we have getting healthcare. There are pilot schemes popping up to address this (indigo, trans+, cmagic) but they're years away from rolling out across country

@TransRadioUK_Andrea

2 жыл бұрын

If you actually listened to the video you will have heard that they only blame the current NHS system in use i.e. the GIC all 7 of them and each has been seriously underfunded to a much worse level than any other department including mental health. The government are the ones that are blamed for the funding issues and for the bad approach to trans health care. How many hospitals do we have in this country. If they were reduced by as little as 25% there would be a major healthcare crisis in the UK yet in effect trans health care has been cut by nearly 70%.

@user-tr8hr3zk7y

2 жыл бұрын

People always say the ‘nhs, police, army, etc is underfunded’ the truth is you could give them 9 trillion pounds extra and it wouldn’t do any good as long as they keep spending the money poorly. If you spend money the wrong way, the amount is irrelevant. Hopefully this is a useful comment, for further thought. Regards

@DavidThomas-fz1qi

2 жыл бұрын

Not taking away from what you add here though on this the overwhelming body of evidence says it very definitely is the consultants of the NHS that are woefully at fault on trans care. I think we're seeing a floodgate of evidence just starting to flow on this.

So why don’t they pay for the medication and all that on private health care why are we paying for it

@merilupa9942

11 ай бұрын

Do they even work?

@peachycinnamon5786

8 ай бұрын

They all get their eggs frozen too yet cancer patients can’t

What did you expect ? they only care about you when you have money. I have a disability and it's hard for us disabled people to get any help without money / or co-play fees.

@jmantime

2 жыл бұрын

@@RuleStarRacing no, I pay for health care Insurance like most people

@missqt48

2 жыл бұрын

Try having a blood disorder but still not regarded as disabled! Even though it affects your daily life and can even lead to death! But no extra care here. NHS Priorities all messed up!

@gamingclips8133

2 жыл бұрын

Or people that need proper help

@FowlorTheRooster1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@missqt48 Blame the government for all the budget cuts on public services

Okay pretty much the whole of the NHS have long waiting lists. It’s a totally overwhelmed service and I don’t really know anybody that gets quick appointments. Take dermatology for example, I know many people who have to wait sometimes years for appointments to help improve their skin, something which massively impacts their self-esteem and wellbeing. Everyone is under-serviced by the NHS, not just trans people. Why do you think the private healthcare industry is growing so much, because nobody’s getting what they need for the NHS.

@saiyamoru

2 жыл бұрын

I was coming to the comment section to say exactly the same thing. I'm not even from the UK but I've heard enough of my overseas friends complain about this issue to realize it is a rampant problem that affects *everyone* in the country. Vice framing this is as a trans rights issue is kind of a strange take; trans people suffer from the lack of medical services, of course, but gender-reassignment surgery is probably a lot lower on a hospital's list of priorities than open-heart surgery. Of course in a system like they UK's they're going to have to wait longer.

@irrelevance3859

2 жыл бұрын

Completei agree. This is bad but it’s not a sole trans issue. The whole NHS needs reformation. Everyone is affected especially disabled people anyone with predetermined medical conditions or mental illness. Government isn’t funding the nhs properly.

@dsvwtrbeytnryune

2 жыл бұрын

What other services have five-year waits, like the guy in this video had?

@saiyamoru

2 жыл бұрын

@@dsvwtrbeytnryune Just based on a BBC article I found dating from six days ago: "Of the 5,727 patients waiting more than two years for treatment - a 46% increase on the previous month - the RCS says most need hip and knee replacements, gallbladder removals or hernia operations."

@saiyamoru

2 жыл бұрын

@@dsvwtrbeytnryune It also looks like the five year wait time is a problem with one specific clinic, or at least, one specific clinic took accountability and issued an apology: www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/04/20/nhs-gender-clinic-the-laurels-waiting-list-time/

"We are fighting for the right to just get on our with own lives".

@Jordan-bb4xt

2 жыл бұрын

The UK is literally one of the most accepting countries in the world

@NamesEvad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-bb4xt If you ignore the prevelance of transphobia, racism, ablism ect. It isnt as accepting as it presents, underneath the reality is far harsher to minorities then many admit/understand.

@NamesEvad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-bb4xt lol what? There are certainly trans people in wales. Which is part of the Uk. You are so confused. ahaha

@NamesEvad

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jordan-bb4xt for real tho, my fiance is welsh and is trans. So I dont know whats got your brain so muddled up, but there are loads of trans people in wales. ahaha

@philippadowney549

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Just want to be.

We need better mental health care across the board.

This is awful and unacceptable, and it’s important to get people talking and not let it get pushed under the rug. It’s not just trans healthcare. I’ve been trying to get an appointment for ADHD treatment on the NHS since 2018. They won’t even tell me how long the waiting list is.

@MADCITYSTUDIOS

2 жыл бұрын

You dont need meds for having an over active brain, try meditating....

@JDG-hq8gy

2 жыл бұрын

@@MADCITYSTUDIOS As someone with ADHD medication has drastically improved my life, and telling people to just pay attention and meditate is insultingly ignorant.

@JDG-hq8gy

2 жыл бұрын

@Cian MacGana And no one cares about your opinion because you’re not a doctor mate

@JDG-hq8gy

2 жыл бұрын

@Cian MacGana What makes you say that?

@BYAKURAN-9210

2 жыл бұрын

@@MADCITYSTUDIOS good one lmao

My brother is autistic and is now 14 years. He has a meltdowns very frequently now when often he can get violent. He urgently needs medications. The NHS doesn't like to give medication for children. The referral to cypmhs doctors takes ages. Wait time of the NHS is truly damaging to so many people.

@chrisbfreelance

9 ай бұрын

So people being manipulated into believing they are something they aren't should push your brother further down the queue?

Tbf, This mostly seems like an NHS issue, not a trans issue. access to NHS has to tricky for years. My Non-trans partner would resonate with a lot of these stories; She has been trying to get help for her illness for the last 6 years, couple of appointments after a 2 year waiting list but no treatment yet. Regardless of the opinion about Trans, we all need better access.

@liimakino

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

@bindumadhu6342

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think moving to usa with health insurance is better as employer based health insurance is the law there

@richardbanker3910

Жыл бұрын

I agree with Shmup here. The attack on the NHS has been building up since at least when the Condem government came into power in 2010 and there have been NHS campaigning groups fighting a thankless uphill backbreaking battle since then if not earlier than that. The commentators on this video have not noticed this onward attack until fairly recently as likewise have been the trans people speaking here. It is bloody hard to work your way through the NHS system for everyone and it is not just an issue of waiting lists.

It's socialised health care and everyone has the same access as it's everyone's tax money. Unless it's an actual medical crisis, you're not entitled to what the general population don't need. Plastic surgery and hormone blockers aren't a necessity for your Survival, they can be easily accessed via the private sector. There is an actual crisis in the UK's health infrastructure, that being poor efficiency. Things are so bureaucratic that people die during the scheduling process. Some illnesses become worse during the waiting period.

@daokotamann7813

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

@Yolaeth

2 жыл бұрын

It is necessary to your survival if your mental health is affected so severely, its also not easily accessable to go private, you try and see how easy it is to access

@user-lh7pl2fu9c

2 жыл бұрын

It literally is a necessity for survival. This is like saying a depressed person doesn't need antidepressants to survive.

@peopleingeneral3086

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lh7pl2fu9c if you need breast implants to survive there is actually something wrong with you. Sorry

@bingobongo7335

2 жыл бұрын

@@peopleingeneral3086 I do not need breast implants but i do need testosterone. A cis guy can literally access testosterone replacement therapy within a few weeks/months just to gain muscle mass or improve his s3x drive whereas i have to wait for years while dealing with severe gender dysphoria that makes me want to unalive. very unfair. but you guys don't care, do you? you could never know how awful gender dysphoria feels like so you just see us as crazy, 'icky' people and don't extend your empathy to us.

This is awful. As others have said, there is a wider underlying issue here: the whole NHS is underfunded to the point of collapse. I have ADHD and was diagnosed as an adult. The waiting time was three years. So many ADHDers die from road traffic accidents or overdoses, so many of us end up in prison, all because we don’t get the therapy and meds we need. Until the government funds the NHS properly and stops casting certain minorities as “undeserving”, innocent people will continue to suffer and die.

@FowlorTheRooster1990

2 жыл бұрын

Blame our current government party in leadership, Alexandra Boris Johnson is only the latest part of the joke in the sector of the tory party that wanted to reduce and cut funding to the NHS. lets see how Boris reacts to the existence of the NHS when Rona is over, will they go back to budget cuts on the NHS or will they learn their lesson

@alice1374

11 ай бұрын

The government unfortunately still doesn't see the NHS properly. It doesn't help that our economy is now 100% to national debt either (2.6 trillion)

Lol, the UKs problems aren't going away anytime soon.

@lucuslovesyou2961

2 жыл бұрын

Ok school shootings

As someone who has always been comfortable with the gender I was assigned at birth I 100% support & empathize with the Trans Community. Every time one of them loses the battle to become who they truly are, my heart breaks for them. Ironically, modern society embraces the fact that young people today are so often having cosmetic procedures to change their entire appearance & yet, when it comes to the Trans Community the same peole who support or ignore the consequences of BBLs & boob jobs & face lifts that go horribly wrong can't wait to condemn & deny the Trans Community the same right to decide for themselves what's right or wrong. If you're going to vilify & deny one group from having the medical procedures that will contribute toward their happiness & ability to function as productive members of society then what's the excuse for not doing it for the rest? Hypocrisy is like a virilant disease.

@littlecatfeet9064

Жыл бұрын

People pay for their own cosmetic surgery and trans surgery is cosmetic surgery. How can the “battle to become who they truly are” involve cutting off healthy body parts and giving dangerous drugs?

@berrymilk123

Жыл бұрын

Woman = adult human female

@6ixConfessions

Жыл бұрын

@@littlecatfeet9064 All drugs can be dangerous & the funding that's available for gender affirmation surgery is minimum at best. As for cutting off healthy body parts to make people happy; it's done all the time. People with mild disfigurements that aren't life-threatening or don't impede their ability to physically function normally do it. Some also have funding for the surgery. And if a so-called "healthy body part" is the root cause of emotional/mental trauma, just how healthy is it?

@6ixConfessions

Жыл бұрын

@@berrymilk123 Child = ?

@uswruser7996

11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for your comment !!!!🌈

What ever trans people need to live a healthy life they, like all of us, deserve. It is the measure of a society how we treat those in need.

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

They have the exact same access to healthcare as everyone else

@FowlorTheRooster1990

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is though the NHS has been struggling to get by for years, The NHS has now got thousands of people who need treatment for physical disabilities and conditions due to the pandemic and people being put onto a waiting list.

@ataraxia7439

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bringon-dw8dx Same healthcare isn't just when people don't have the same needs.

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

@@ataraxia7439 that sentence doesn’t make sense, I don’t understand what you are trying to say?

@Marconi121

2 жыл бұрын

Ohhn look at me I'm all confused about my identity someone pay for me to mutilate myself.

They speak as if Sophie was killed by someone who dont like trans. She killed herself and that is wrong.

@kariarabellalassauniere402

2 жыл бұрын

She was killed by people who denied her care......

@wsol80

2 жыл бұрын

@@kariarabellalassauniere402 It must suck having gender dysphoria, but humans all over the planet deal with overwhelming hardships without committing suicide. Suicide is a personal decision and unless she was escaping direct abuse, there is nobody else to blame for that decision. Life sucks sometimes and either you choose to work through it, or you escape it.

@plutonium09

2 жыл бұрын

@@wsol80 people don’t really choose though it’s easy to look at it that way but when your so far gone in your depression you start having thoughts that don’t even feel like your own

@Boon-iv6pd

2 жыл бұрын

@@wsol80 what is the point tho? Obviously we are both humans that can think so pls, I would like to know your opinion on what life is and what it means to live? What is to be happy, to be content? What is it in your life that makes you think life is worth living and staying for?

@aaronmontgomery2055

2 жыл бұрын

@@Boon-iv6pd we choose to live and die because of responsibility.

The common man shouldn’t have money taken out of their own pocket to fund dilution

@adelaide7822

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, but then allow trans people to create our own healthcare system..

@kingoftheduchies752

2 жыл бұрын

@@adelaide7822 hahah, and how do you suppose a tiny minority of teenagers would ever be able to do such a thing?

@adelaide7822

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingoftheduchies752 we bundle all of our money in a progressive tax based system, richer trans people pay more then poorer trans people. Btw trans people are of all ages, not just teenagers. And most of us only want hormones so thats not that difficult as surgeries. Then we take all the money and let it be handled by some smart investors in the trans community who can invest in stocks/features or whatever and we can increase the amount of money that way. Then we could either start our own hormone factories, or order a bunch of hormones from existing omes and stockpile and then distribute them. The system would be based on informed consent, meaning that the trans person carries all the risk, that way we won't cripple the entire system with giving out slow (and mostly worthless) diagnosis's just to make sure a tiny minority of people don't detransition. Apart from that trans people also need therapy and blood tests usually, but since those are needed by pretty much everybody else too it won't be necessary to specifically add them as trans health care. I hope you could understand what I meant as English isn't my first language.

@kingoftheduchies752

2 жыл бұрын

@@adelaide7822 well, first off i commend your use of the English language, if anything you did it better then i sometimes do. secondly, i have nothing against trans people paying for their own drugs. that sounds like a better system if anything. if you want to add a communist flair to it then i dont care, as long as it dosnt grow big, and influences the government for example. so, i guess that is something that you could technically achieve, but it would be a nightmare to actually organize. so, i guess i was prooved wrong there. and lastly, of course there are older trans folk, there just a tiny minority of the already minority population. thats a statistically proven fact not worth arguing about. well good day to you, im glad that was sorted.

@queenbean7071

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingoftheduchies752 i agree, the common worker shouldn't have to pay the brunt of the healthcare system, that should be taken from the tax percentage the rich should be paying that they don't

NHS NRGDS claims the average wait for a first appointment is 3 years... They have 1,228 people currently waiting for a first appointment. In order to meet their 3 year claim, they would need to see 409 new people per year... which isn't happening... in reality, they are currently seeing on average 14 people per year. It would take them over 87 years to clear their current waiting list. And this is just for an initial appointment. The waits continue between appointments. Basically, you have as much chance of winning the lottery than being seen by the NHS before you die. And that is just for the gender clinic... when it comes to GPs... one of the biggest problems I have when trying to help other trans people is finding GPs that will treat trans patients in the northeast. Every week I am trying to reduce the risk of suicide by someone because they can't access healthcare. My own personal experience, my GP refused to treat me because he was "uncomfortable treating transgender patients". I went to another GP in the same surgery and asked for a blood test to check my liver function and for diabetes and he refused too. My GP then cancelled all the repeat prescriptions for my daughter's skin conditions and refused to renew them, thus forcing my family from the surgery in search of healthcare. The first alternative GP surgery I tried, refused to take me on as a NHS patient but offered to treat me privately at £130 per appointment. The next GP practice I tried and the GP said, "I've got nothing against you people [transgender] but I don't know how to treat you" - what is so different about giving a trans person a blood test and giving a cis person? The 5th GP I tried agreed to treat me for basic healthcare needs, two villages away from where I live but booked me in for a blood test and I've had no problems with them whatsoever. They already treat at least 3 other trans people that I know about. But I shouldn't have to try 5 GPs before finding one that will treat me and this experience is NOT unique. GenderGP is literally saving people's lives. Personally, I pay £100 per month at a different private practice that requires me to travel 156 miles round journey every 3 months for a 30 minute appointment which provides me gender related healthcare. Nobody should be forced to pay for private care because the NHS is failing to provide healthcare. I will be dead before I get to see the NHS for an initial appointment but at least I am on a waiting list for treatment. There is currently no bottom surgery in the UK for trans men and the likelihood of a trans teenager getting healthcare is none. Out of 11,444 referrals between 2015-2020 to Tavistock GIDS only 161 teenagers were prescribed the puberty blocker before the courts effectively banned it. Unless you are referred before your 12th birthday, you will not get to see anyone at GIDS. Unless you are referred before your 7th birthday, you will not have the opportunity to access the puberty blocker in time to prevent changes that will require surgical intervention to correct later in life - in fact, just don't expect to get the puberty blocker to stop puberty at all even before the court case. This whole myth about people being rushed through the system and puberty blockers being prescribed like smarties is a lie; it is simply not happening and never did. If you want to stop GenderGP and trans people self-medicating then you need to provide a service that works. Otherwise you will never stop trans people doing whatever it takes to access healthcare. This whole nonsense of not being able to prescribe to trans people who are feeling suicidal because of their mental state... the reason we are suicidal is because you are refusing us healthcare. The NHS is one of the major causes of many of the mental health issues facing trans people (the other major cause is rejection by family, friends and society resulting in isolation and all the issues associated with that when there is no support on hand). And even if you are lucky enough to be seen by the NHS, you are then faced with a half-arsed service that doesn't provide full gender affirming care, still considers gender incongruence a mental illness despite it globally being accepted that it is NOT a mental illness, and surgery techniques that are now dated.

@originalunoriginal4055

2 жыл бұрын

In future, do not disclose how you identify as when it comes to filling in the "sexuality" section. You are not legally obliged to disclose that information, you can select " do not wish to disclose" option.

@chelseafcrocks82

2 жыл бұрын

Beautifully written.

@rockhop8595

2 жыл бұрын

you will never be a woman

@discountgamervids

2 жыл бұрын

I'm still waiting on intensive back surgery. Been waiting. But continue complaining about irrelevant things that aren't life threatening.

@NorthernWayfarer-Alice

2 жыл бұрын

@@discountgamervids I bet you've not been waiting 9 years for an initial consultation with no help whatsoever during that waiting period. I bet you never tried to kill yourself because of your condition. I bet you've never lost friends who have killed themselves because the idea of waiting over a decade to start treatment was too much. I bet you've not had GPs refuse to treat you for literally anything because you are a person with a back condition.

We need the same for males wanting to feel more masculin and want male hormones... if you can give kids female or male hormones why not genuine biological genders.

Now the TAVISTOCK CENTRE is in big trouble.

Taken the NHS to court?! Yeah because that helps. Even less money to pay for resources. Trans issues have exponentially increased and it takes decades to train a good surgeon or doctor. Of course there will be a huge discrepancy

@rd9065

2 жыл бұрын

And yet somehow in the US we don't have that issue of access because of supply, if you can afford it you can get it pretty easily, that's a bullshit argument

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

@@rd9065 There is a key part of your statement you glossed over - ‘IF you can afford it’. See in the UK 100% of people can afford it, therefore 100% of people who need a procedure can get in line for it. Now I’m the USA say 9% of people have no insurance (the stats for 2 years ago) so can’t even fathom affording it, and then there are the percentage that have insurance but can’t afford the co-pay (say that’s x because that is obviously very individual specific so there’s no data). That means from that 100% that need a procedure you can deduct the 9% who havent got insurance + X number of people who can’t afford the co pays + y number of people who can’t afford the time of work (when looking into it your laws on that are insane)= a much MUCH shorter line. See how your healthcare works. Your wait times can be shorter (although actually aren’t always, and are sometimes longer which I was surprised to find out when researching past the propaganda) because a big percentage of people can’t even afford to get in line in the first place! Plus the issue is obviously more complicated then that because how we recruit, train and regulate medical doctors is very different.

@Ginge1164

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! These people get it for free on the NHS. In the US it’s treated like business I.e supply and demand $$. These surgeons make an awful lot of money on their US citizens health and mental wellbeing. People get IVF on the NHS imagine that happening over the pond

@earthlunatics9145

2 жыл бұрын

The number has exponentially increased since the internet. Around 20 years ago there were very few trans people so it was less of an issue receiving medications. The system is likely being overwhelmed because of the costs of hormones and surgeries and the amount of people now in line for these services.

@Ginge1164

2 жыл бұрын

@@earthlunatics9145 This is true. I've read alot of stories about people regretting it and getting the reversed procedures.

What is not being talked about here is that many people with disease that are life threatening are also not able to access treatment in a timely fashion 🤔

@josephstupar3372

Жыл бұрын

There cis-gendered they don’t matter

I'm so glad a trans journalist is on the job, and that the editors respected transness enough to get this through to the public

@womenbio7731

2 жыл бұрын

trans healthcare is no different to anyone elses healthcare, just a bunch of middle class woke people who dont care about class issues, sexism, homophobia, racism but go on and on about being the most opressed people when hardly any trans people have been even murdered

@KazKindred613

2 жыл бұрын

@@womenbio7731 What???? Do cis women have to be murdered for sexism to exist? No. In NCTE’s U.S. Transgender Survey, which included more than 28,000 respondents, nearly half (47%) of all Black respondents reported being denied equal treatment, verbally harassed, and/or physically attacked in the previous year because of being transgender. Nearly one in ten (9%) were physically attacked in the past year because of being transgender. Black transgender women (14%) were more likely to be physically attacked in the previous year because of being transgender, compared to Black non-binary people (8%) and transgender men (7%). In one study, the average expectancy for a trans women (especially black) is 35. The idea that trans people “don’t care about class issues, sexism, homophobia, or racism” is laughably ridiculous. The leaders of stonewall were trans women of color. Stop trying to put marginalized groups against each other, it only helps people in power.

@filthycasual8074

2 жыл бұрын

the editors don't have a choice.

@adamguerrero5293

2 жыл бұрын

@@KazKindred613 "trans" is a men's rights movement.

@KazKindred613

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamguerrero5293 Lmao no, because trans women exist. Trans men do exist too, so you’re about half-right. But trans people have existed way longer than the modern concept of a gender binary. Plenty of ancient societies had the idea of a third gender. Just one example: A burial was discovered from somewhere between 2900 BCE and 2500 BCE in a suburb of Prague, Czech Republic, where a amab person was buried in the outfit usually reserved for women. Archaeologists speculate that the burial corresponds to a transgender person or someone of the third sex. Trans people have always existed, and trans women are women.

The NHS does not provide “free healthcare”. The NHS is paid for through NI, taxation and national debt. Many healthcare provisions are not always provided by the NHS for example glasses, prescriptions (England and Wales) and most dental procedures.

@dsvwtrbeytnryune

2 жыл бұрын

It means free at the point of service. This is just pedantry.

@FowlorTheRooster1990

2 жыл бұрын

The NHS does provide free health care to the ones who are unable to fund it and to those who fund it.

5 years for a first appointment! That's outrageous! At such a critical time in his life too, things need to change.

@rhiannongreen2642

2 жыл бұрын

@Cian MacGana Saving enough for private healthcare between the ages of 14 and 19? lol how? And the whole point is the wait made the treatment redundant, you can't block puberty after it has happened.

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

They could always train as surgeons themselves. We can’t magic staff into existence. The wait will only get longer as more people want the surgery

@FowlorTheRooster1990

2 жыл бұрын

While there are People Needing life saving surgeries to save them from blindness, organ failure, strokes, heart attacks and many others, The NHS hasn't got the resources to help these people as there are many people that need surgeries that will stop them from suffering a painful life.

@leoheywood2120

2 жыл бұрын

@Cian MacGana top surgery alone costs £8000 privately

@rhiannongreen2642

2 жыл бұрын

@@aestheticli3944 You can make your point without being so disrespectful to people who have never done a damn thing to you.

This raises many interesting points. However, what grabbed my attention was the Stormfly toy the kid was playing with. His dad is a legend

Hi all, My name is Dee and I am Post op 20 years but hidden away off line ( a Spook ) due to the drivel surrounding us at the moment. I kicked and stamped and attended huge Trans meetings in Brighton and London around 2004 regarding amending the Law for the Gender Recognition Cert and eventually the Gov acceded to it and it was given ! My point is PleeeeeZe dont give up ! I think your all doing a Fab job making our problems public and Trans Rights etc and if we shout loud enough and long enough... IT GETS DONE ! X xxx

@Envision_

2 жыл бұрын

You have been stomping and shouting for too long. People are now tired of it. You have the same rights as everyone else in the UK. If you want plastic surgery then you should pay for it, like everybody else

@jamesbw2

Жыл бұрын

@@Envision_trans healthcare is life saving health care. i can tell you first hand. besides if you seriously think trans people are as equal as cis people you have zero clue

@kelly-kx2io

Жыл бұрын

@@Envision_ Im almost 4 decades post-op. For me it was a personal mind and body mismatch issue that I needed to fix ASAP. It was not anyone else's problem and i was not going to make it anyone else's problem. I began saving money to pay for my surgeries when i was 13. I was even put through transexualism cure treatments when i was 13 back in 1977. I was thrown out of the family home at age 15 when the cure treatment's failed to change or deter me. That was the happiest day of my life i was free to take charge of my own life and destiny. I recall my GIC psychiatrist telling me SRS would be the right path for me. I then asked if my name could go on the NHS waiting list. I was told that I was too young. I then pointed out to him that by the time my name would get closer to the top of the list I may be hold enough. So he agreed to put my name on the list. I then asked if it was OK to go have my breast augmentation done privately. He gave me his blessing. On my next visit I then asked if he would give me his blessing to go privately for my SRS. Which he did. All along I had planned to go privately but i knew not to ruffle the feather of those making the decision. I went on to be one of the UK's youngest at that time to complete my surgery. I then disappeared back into the woodwork with my partner/husband for the next 31 years, only resurfacing after my husband's sudden death Christmas 2012. I looked online for a Post-Op Transsexual widow support group but i did not find one. All I found were angry in your face feetstamping transfolk making demands and trampling all over woman's rights as if they don't even matter. I struggle to relate to many of todays transfolk.

First world privilege bullshit right here lol

12:45 I'm glad it was pointed out that major concerns regarding trans issues have their source equally from the Right *AND* the Left of the political spectrum.

Thank you so much for making this. It's a painful watch, but it is needed, to drive home just how severe this crisis is. If this was any other demographic, having to wait 3 years or more for an appointment, not having access to surgery, etc, there would be uproar, but because it's trans people, this just doesn't become mainstream knowledge. Our plight is drowned out by the anti-trans rhetoric and trans people are literally dying in this silence and those that manage to scrape through and survive, are left in huge trauma. . We need our allies to help bring this issue to light and save our lives

@jamiejosh96

2 жыл бұрын

Do you know what the word crisis means

@monty2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamiejosh96 clearly this individual has no idea what the word crisis means, given how liberally the word is applied in the post when describing something that is in no way a crisis. A few individuals who are unable to have the public purse pay for “treatments” that only serve to enable delusions does not a crisis make.

@jamiejosh96

2 жыл бұрын

@@monty2005 I couldn’t have said it better myself, they don’t include what they mean when they say healthcare. As mentioned they basically are kicking off for not getting surgeries which won’t solve the issues they have. Wonder why we don’t have this nonsense when people have actual things to worry about

@caseydub7546

2 жыл бұрын

Because these people are damaged and these “procedures “ are butcherings and should never be done. Britain lost its Christian values and is dying like all pagan societies

@monty2005

2 жыл бұрын

@@caseydub7546 I agree with your first point wholeheartedly, but there are plenty of pagan societies out there thriving today. The religion doesn’t matter, it’s the sense of what is real that matters. The people that are discussed in this video are living a delusion.

The UK has a healthcare crisis in general, mainly because of...idk...THE PANDEMIC!!!

@paulhalfpenny1139

2 жыл бұрын

No cure for narcissism Marcus, you should know that.

@Rin-ef2tp

2 жыл бұрын

If you actually listened to what anyone was saying in this video you’d realise that most of these people were waiting for subpar healthcare LONG before the pandemic

@mtflooser0-046

2 жыл бұрын

It was a problem before the pandemic that’s just common sense

@missqt48

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! I have a neighbour who just had her chemotherapy a few weeks ago after waiting for 12 months! While her husband still waits for his surgery. They are elderly couple and I’d rather my tax money goes to people who need it rather than want a procedure.

@stratocaster1986able

2 жыл бұрын

@@missqt48 Exactly, the nhs should always prioritise life saving treatment. But saying such a thing here is basically blasphemy.

Sure...jeff bezos, bill gates, Elon Musk and company are going to pay for it. Nah, the middle and low income.

@truthofchrist5909

2 жыл бұрын

Are you suicidal?

@kolacao8134

2 жыл бұрын

@@truthofchrist5909 why do you ask

Funding is limited and would be better spent on real issues rather than wasted on ideologically driven trans nonsense.

@acgraphics1139

2 жыл бұрын

Your just transphobic trans is a real issue not nonsense it saves lives

The UK has a National Healthcare crisis. I have multiple family members that have been waiting years for life improving surgery. Classic Vice for missing the major point.

@erancrouse4441

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not from the UK but sounds like the system is being sabotaged like most socialised programs in history.

@FowlorTheRooster1990

2 жыл бұрын

@@erancrouse4441 Blame our current government party in leadership, Alexandra Boris Johnson is only the latest part of the joke in the sector of the tory party that wanted to reduce and cut funding to the NHS. lets see how Boris reacts to the existence of the NHS when Rona is over, will they go back to budget cuts on the NHS or will they learn their lesson?

@Envision_

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, also non-trans people have to wait for surgeries and treatment. I've heard from women who wouldn't get reconstructive breast surgery or hysterectomies. Again the trans community makes everything about themselves and demands special treatment above everybody else

@Callummullans

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s too often people persecute themselves and it makes a shared problem of the collective a personal problem shared only by a minority group. This is called minority complex, it’s not out of selfishness but from a place of reasoning too far as a lot of these people had to reason with themselves most of their lives.

If you have a functioning body, then you are not entitled to a surgery paid for with tax money any more than an aging woman traumatized by the loss of her looks is entitled to a face-lift. You don't have the body you want? Well, welcome to the club. It's cosmetic surgery. Pay for it yourself or make peace with the body you were given.

@merilupa9942

11 ай бұрын

So true 👏👏👏👏

@richlee509

7 ай бұрын

Spot on these motherfuckers are crazy

how dare they when the NHS is stuggling already its these people fault why should you get it on the NHS its not a major problem pay yourself or get over it same goes for smokers and fat people should not get NHS treatment its selfish to people who need it for good reason but have to suffer for the likes of these

By and large, it's always been sub-par. This isn't something that needs more funding per se, but a better way of treating patients that doesn't involve a convoluted process with an artificial bottleneck. Sorta like how the reason A&E waiting times are so long is because of the triaging bottleneck. Just to clarify for those saying 'go private'. The private services are struggling due to them still using the same model as the NHS, so even going private usually isn't viable. Oh, and it's cheaper to do 'trans healthcare' than it is to pay their welfare bills.

@hippygirl1386

2 жыл бұрын

See we dont have this problem in the United states because we believe if u don't have money u deserve to die of avoidable illness. I don't but most of the government essentially does.

@rockhop8595

2 жыл бұрын

How about we don't pay their welfare bills nor trans healthcare

@spencermalone597

2 жыл бұрын

@@rockhop8595 because then, despite working 40 hours a week, they become smelly hobos who you also hate the sight of. This is a legitimate question, do you want them to not exist? Because that's what this sounds like.

@Bandit_Sudo

2 жыл бұрын

@spencer malone That'd be nice

@keyboarddancers7751

2 жыл бұрын

*@Nebula* Why would they need welfare payments any more than anybody else?

Do you have some kind of health insurance you can access ? It's about 4000 dollars a year in my country if everyone who can pay for private health does it will take alot of pressure if your NHS and free up room for more people to receive treatment for everything from cancer to hormone treatment .

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. There is health insurance they can access and straight up private care. But they want it for free.

@lolasonner5051

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bringon-dw8dx private care without health insurance is prohibitively expensive for most people in most of the world but health insurance ( if it's affordable in the UK idk) could potentially help people who have a job that pays a reasonable wage and or if they have family who can help financially. Of course there will be people who can't afford it and they should be helped in a country like England but the public system

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

@@lolasonner5051 private care is reasonable in the UK. They don’t inflate the prices

@queenbean7071

2 жыл бұрын

That's the thing. Trans people in the uk are almost all on private care its a very small portion actuallt going with the nhs

Anybody worried about puberty blockers being given to lots of children who may have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria needn't worry at all. The waiting list is now so extraordinarily long, they'll probably be 17 or 18 before they get their first appointment anyway. The reason for the waiting list for medical support in this area is because so few doctors will go anywhere near this type of work. If lawyers take the NHS to court over this, the NHS will have less money available to do any of this work. Think very carefully before embarking on a programme of transgender support with the NHS; the thought of being abandoned part-way through a series of surgical procedures sounds absolutely terrible!

Because the situation with the pandemic is the reason why I just do not use NHS healthcare in the UK I go private for my medical transition because the NHS just simply cannot handle it. In fact I actually really struggle to use the NHS at all for anything even for things like toothache I go private. I basically I am locked out of using the NHS for anything because the waiting times are just too long even for small simple things.

It's not just a 'trans healthcare issue' its just simply a healthcare issue. NHS waiting times were shocking pre covid never mind now. Cancer patients were also delayed or cancelled. Mental health referrals also failing people. I think it's fair to say there aren't enough physicians and psychologists trained on gender issues or choosing to specialise in that field leading to a shortage when there is a growing demand for the need of such services. How do you solve that problem?

@DeadDinosaur

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's fair to say medical services have been slowly drained of funding by austerity policies created by the tories. You solve that problem by voting against them.

@eddieaureliamumby8322

2 жыл бұрын

Yes there is a problem across the NHS, we all know this, but Gender Identity Clinics are unnecessarily bureaucratic and require an excessive quantity of appointments to get on hrt given the length of the waiting time giving adequate time to consider ones feelings. The Clinics make work for themselves that is simply pointless. I got a private diagnosis yet when i got past the waiting list the GIC insisted on doing another diagnostic appointment which simply wasted time. There are other complaints to be made but in regard to waiting lists this is the issue from my perspective without even considering whether trans adults should actually just be able express informed consent to get hrt

@DeadDinosaur

2 жыл бұрын

@@eddieaureliamumby8322 Also true. At this point i think more and more trans people will just buy HRT online, save up if they can for private diagnosis and then save up for SRS/whatever other surgeries, going completely privately.

@scorchgid

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think you see trans people blaming cancer patients for their lack of treatment. And it sounds like you are. But PRE Covid waiting lists were 3 years. Which is again beyond what the NHS charter states it should be. In order to collectively change this you need to change the government which is systematically destroying our health service.

@belfez72

2 жыл бұрын

NHS : bed numbers have halfed in the last 10 years./being led by non clinicians /sleekedly being dissected & sold off to the private sector, in preparation for full privatization/deafening silence by the Labour party on the subject (so a reliance on a change of Govt, with Labour swooping in & reversing the changes, ain't gonna happen this time) . People need to realise that the end point is coming & those on waiting lists may never be seen by the service which was supposed to be free @point of access, from cradle to the grave.There is a case for each person to make alternative arrangements, rather than waiting in the hope, that someone will finally give their permission, for you to be able to go & live your life.

I haven’t cried in over 5 months, but Christine’s words at the end of this documentary made me burst into tears! Thank you for this video! Thank you.

@IbrahimMuhammad_114

Жыл бұрын

I WAS LAUGHING 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Monitoring358

11 ай бұрын

Waiting to laugh!!no spoilers thanks.

@GoneColoring

7 ай бұрын

@@IbrahimMuhammad_114why are you even here weirdo!

Come on man there's something called public decency

@billmartins5545

2 жыл бұрын

Not with these people it seems

@lucuslovesyou2961

2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to football fans

@caseydub7546

2 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine Sodom and Gomorrah

Am I the only one who is old enough to remember when vice used to create content like breaking into North Korea, interviewing cannibal warlords in Liberia etc? M

It's so hard to be myself. I'm going to PGL for a year 7 trip over the weekend. I'll have to be alone in a dark room or I can share a room with my friends, but then my whole year will have to know I'm transitioning

@Marconi121

2 жыл бұрын

Don't mutilate your genitals for the sake of all that's holy.

@tataroonie6969

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marconi121 Don’t speak on something you can’t experience.

@Marconi121

2 жыл бұрын

@@tataroonie6969 You must be one of "THEM" 🤮🤮🤮

@tataroonie6969

2 жыл бұрын

@@Marconi121 dude you’re weird af chillax yourself it ain’t that deep for people wanting to be themselves lmao

@jj-bv3ui

2 жыл бұрын

Sending you good vibes. I hope you're okay and I hope everything's going well. Congratulations.

Why are there no subtitles?

@MrNoah-no2gj

2 жыл бұрын

Cause there speaking english.

@nattylite1337

2 жыл бұрын

I just watched now and closed captions are working fine for me!

@latch9781

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrNoah-no2gj Mildly hilarious

why does the state have to pay for it ?

@Picklee

2 жыл бұрын

Because its life saving healthcare

@johnpapst7941

2 жыл бұрын

@@Picklee So if a girl says she will off herself if she doesn't get a boob job is it life saving health care? Anyone can start using this for ANY medical and cosmetic procedure then. So no, that should not fly. Not now, not ever.

@jisoo1571

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnpapst7941 women can say that having a larger bust impacts their mental health and get a breast reduction on the NHS, and it has not lead to everybody using that as an excuse lmao.

@johnpapst7941

2 жыл бұрын

@@jisoo1571 If this ever comes to pass in my country I for one will start using it for everything and suing them as well if they don't comply with whatever I wish. If people can claim anything and have my taxes/health care insurance payments pay for it then I can and will do the same.

@mighty_hasbullah

2 жыл бұрын

Because if the state doesn't then they chop their D* of and die of bleeding

In some states here in America Medicaid stopped paying for transgender surgery.

@ZONE-fj8ly

Жыл бұрын

Good, now they could focus on fighting against real virus like COVID instead of trying to cure a superstitious virus.

It’s not life threatening. Pay for it privately. The nhs is already struggling with actual medical problems.

@Acecidic

2 жыл бұрын

But it is life threatening. Trans people deal with so much until they take their own life.

@ZONE-fj8ly

2 жыл бұрын

If there are no physical symptoms that damages internal organs such as the lungs then it is no reason for mutilating surgeries.

@Acecidic

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZONE-fj8ly ok so skin cancer doesn't damage the internal organs so there is no need for surgery, Correct?

@ZONE-fj8ly

2 жыл бұрын

@@Acecidic Does gender dysphoria causes skin cancer? Could this gender identity be examined in the epidermis where you claim it damages cells that produce melanin? Does Gender dysphoria afflict the dermis containing the nerves, blood vessels, hair follicles and sweat glands? Skin cancer is a physical threat and could cause harm to the internal organs unlike your imaginary virus gender dysphoria which couldn't find it anywhere in the human anatomy, let alone in the skin or anything body related.

@ZONE-fj8ly

2 жыл бұрын

@@Acecidic Sounds like you can't seem to tell the differences between psychological disorder and physical impairment? So if you can't tell them apart then how could you separate facts from fiction? Correlation is not the same as causation which is why gender dysphoria is a social construct based on social life and personal self-esteem.

For fucks sake. Being trans is real. Puberty blockers fucking saved my life and gave me the chance the live life without feeling like I want to die all the time. Im now employed, I have friends and family, I work out and im overall a mentally and physically a healthy and stable person. Getting the right medical trans care with therapy gave me a chance to live life. I get that different is scary.. people dont just "transition". A medical docter and psychologist are helping you and figuring out if you have genderdysphoria. Only about 1% of people who transitioned regret it. Thats mostly due to trauma or other mental ilnesses. Shits backed up by docters and psychologists. If you deny trans health care you have blood on your hands. Society has still alot to learn..

@womenbio7731

2 жыл бұрын

so why should people pay for your boob job? if gender such a construct, why should tax payers pay for it?

@2016T

2 жыл бұрын

@@womenbio7731 thanks for the free surgery 🥰

@womenbio7731

2 жыл бұрын

@@2016T your welcome, maybe stop hating women and gays though please

@2016T

2 жыл бұрын

@@womenbio7731 i dont hate women and gay people.

@3p1Kf41L

2 жыл бұрын

Trump is trans now?

It's basically cosmetic. Not life saying. You gotta pay to play. I'm not against trans, or for it.

@peachycinnamon5786

8 ай бұрын

😅I agree cancer patients can’t get their eggs freezer but they can I have to pay 5,000 to have my knee drained and I’m in agony yet they got 1000s of£a worth for free

There’s long wait lists for cancer patients and patients needing life saving treatment……..Pretty sure that’s more important than puberty blockers and cosmetic surgery. My father has pancreatic cancer and has been waiting months for a PET scan and life saving surgery……….So please don’t try to tell me that trans people are the only ones waiting for “treatment.” They are not going to lose their life waiting on their hormones….People like my father die every single day waiting on their life saving procedures.

@Nikkimond

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, they do lose their lives without treatment.

@Acheron666

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nikkimond 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣……So you’re telling me that they die from having to wait for treatment for something that is not an illness and cannot kill them 🤣. Cancer is life threatening, Being hit by a car is life threatening, heart attacks and strokes are life threatening……waiting for hormones that you want for personal reasons, is NOT AN ILLNESS AND NOT LIFE THREATENING. Endocrinologists are ran off their feet dealing with cancer and actual serious hormonal issues/disorders. Why should they be putting some dude who want to be a woman first, over people with cancer etc? It disgusting when people try the old “give me what I want or I’ll kill myself” routine. So no, they do not die from having to wait for treatment and it’s their own choice to take their own lives…..Taking your own life because you have to wait for an appointment for something your want for personal reasons, is not the fault of the NHS, or doctors. It is also not the same as a cancer patient dying, because they had to wait a long time for treatment. When it’s the choice between a doctor seeing you, or someone with an actual serious illness, the doctor is seeing the person with the actual illness and you’re going to have to wait.. They need to stop being so entitled and understand that there’s people with actual life threatening illnesses who will ALWAYS be seen Way before them.

@lucuslovesyou2961

2 жыл бұрын

My dad has cancer and he had treatment straight away, my girlfriend (who is trans) has been waiting for 7 years

Access will only get more complicated. Why would society pay for a surgery that's no longer recognized as a medical issue? If trans activists want to demedicalize the whole thing, fine. Why would the NHS cover this if it's not a medical issue?

@micca903

2 жыл бұрын

@@TS-oz3ec There's a significant part of the trans activists that push for the elimination of the gender dysphoria diagnosis. They no longer want it treated as a medical issue. That's what demedicalization means. That will essentially make this a cosmetic issue and why would society pay for that?

Here in Brazil 🇧🇷 our free HealthCare program called SUS(i know) cover that kind of operation, i thought that was a no brainer in the first World.

@camilacurtoni1739

2 жыл бұрын

same, in argentina hormones are free

@kolacao8134

2 жыл бұрын

@@camilacurtoni1739 lol Argentina

@odette5031

2 жыл бұрын

@@camilacurtoni1739 really? Not here in Sweden…

@camilacurtoni1739

2 жыл бұрын

i know it first hand, we have a lot of issues but that's not one

@kolacao8134

2 жыл бұрын

@@camilacurtoni1739 is there care for people with depression?

Waiting time is a huge issue for everyone who uses the nhs. Having only one youth trans clinic is awful as is leaving people between surgeries. The physical medical treatment people need can’t always happen within a reasonable time, but when it doesn’t lgbtq+ mental health counciling needs to be in place desperately! Working with gp’s and patients monthly, helping transitioning be as comfortable and easy as women accessing contraceptive.

@nebula8851

2 жыл бұрын

It's the GIC model that's at fault, not necessarily funding. Trans healthcare could be easily transferred to the jurisdiction of sexual health clinics instead of it being some 'super specialist' treatment, and done on an informed consent basis for those over 18.

@b9y

2 жыл бұрын

The therapy usually helps them live life as same-sex attracted folk, and to no longer be trans. But the left-wing trans community don't want you to know that. That's why they're dictating how THEY should be treated, by actual trained psychologists.

@KazKindred613

2 жыл бұрын

@@b9y You know gay trans people exist right lmao

Mad At The Internet anyone?

@obunga466

2 жыл бұрын

Nah

Im almost 4 decades post-op. For me it was a personal mind and body mismatch issue that I needed to fix ASAP. It was not anyone else's problem and i was not going to make it anyone else's problem. I began saving money to pay for my surgeries when i was 13. I was even put through transexualism cure treatments when i was 13 back in 1977. I was thrown out of the family home at age 15 when the cure treatment's failed to change or deter me. That was the happiest day of my life i was free to take charge of my own life and destiny. I recall my GIC psychiatrist telling me SRS would be the right path for me. I then asked if my name could go on the NHS waiting list. I was told that I was too young. I then pointed out to him that by the time my name would get closer to the top of the list I may be hold enough. So he agreed to put my name on the list. I then asked if it was OK to go have my breast augmentation done privately. He gave me his blessing. On my next visit I then asked if he would give me his blessing to go privately for my SRS. Which he did. All along I had planned to go privately but i knew not to ruffle the feather of those making the decision. I went on to be one of the UK's youngest at that time to complete my surgery. I then disappeared back into the woodwork with my partner/husband for the next 31 years, only resurfacing after my husband's sudden death Christmas 2012. I looked online for a Post-Op Transsexual widow support group but i did not find one. All I found were angry in your face feetstamping transfolk making demands and trampling all over woman's rights as if they don't even matter. I struggle to relate to many of todays transfolk.

@alessio272

Жыл бұрын

That’s because you’re a legitimate trans person. You’ll notice if you stop agreeing with the ideology of this issue being imposed on children you are suddenly labeled as a bigot. You notice they don’t disclose the amount of people who are electing to transition due the the social influence not legitimate dysphoria. If it doesn’t fit the narrative, it is not accepted.

@kelly-kx2io

Жыл бұрын

@@alessio272 So true it was never like this in my day. Like i said I am an old school Post-Op Transsexual who is closing on 4 decades Post-Op. Lots of what I see today from the trans community is utter madness at its best ! Its gone from transsexuals fixing a personal mind and body mismatch issue with one's self and then getting on with our lives unnoticed as best we can. To folk now who do not want to make any effort to be what they claim to be who actually thrive on the attention and privileges it grants them under the term transgender with all these new woke laws etc. Many are out to make others around them change their perceptions of what a woman is or fall foul of the woke policing. It is lunacy at its best. I get labelled at TERF quite often because I will not side with these folks and their crazy demands and expectations. Transsexuals should not even be lumped under the term transgender as far as i am concerned. It's not even in the same postcode. I find all this very demeaning of all I went through and suffered growing up in the 1970's and early 1980s to be happy within my own skin. They tried to force me to change who I was back in 1977 when I was only 13 here. county asylums stanley-royd wakefield . They could not force me to change who I was or deter me and that taught me that it would be just as wrong to try to force people to understand or accept me too. My intentions and actions back then were to change myself so I could be happy within my own skin, not to force the world around me to change or pay the price. There are different definitions of the word TRANSGENDER , The most prevalent is those who are political in nature and refers to anyone who considers themselves as different in terms of sex or gender. Most transsexual persons refuse to be lumped in with the TG Community, but others like non-op TG persons see political value in working together. A transgender person is someone who deliberately lives in a way opposed to their physical sex. For example, if a person is born with female genitalia and wants to keep it, but expresses and feels that they are a boy mentally, then they are transgender. Transsexual and transgender is not the same thing as transsexual is only applicable to those born with a need to correct their genitals as best they can, while most transgender people desire to keep their original genitalia. A person is born with transsexualism,the whole idea of the surgery is to stop having transsexualism and to get on with life as if they never had the condition. For me and many of my old friends it was important to fix our mind and body mismatch ASAP and then get on with our lives. Often going stealth and only letting those who need to know about our past know. The term transgender covers a wide spectrum of different folks. Most of whom are more vocal/visible. Hence more well known by the public online and offline as they tend to go out of their way to make their presence known and felt. Where as many of use old school transsexual's the aim was to fix the issue and move on with our lives unnoticed. Many of us had to make big sacrifices like losing family members and old friends and moving to avoid publicity at times. As that for us would defeat the whole object of fixing the issues we had with ourselves in the 1st place. For us it is not a badge we wear. Just a distant unhappy memory we rather leave behind us and not dwell on. This leads to our side of the story being less heard by the public, leaving them to assuming the outspoken ones most often seen kicking off on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram & KZread etc are what its all about for all under the umbrella term transgender. Which is not the case at all. There are many of us out there in the world that can hold conversations with folk who disagree with us without resorting to branding them transphobic or getting catty and bitchy. It's a shame so many of these outspoken trans folks will brand someone transphobic at the drop of a hat yet forget it took themselves years to understand and accept their own situation. Bit hypocritical if you ask me. But hey that's what happens when what it is to be transsexual gets hijacked and turn in to a trans radical agenda/movement. It's now become a money spinner for many. It's like reality TV with a large helping of soap opera thrown in for good measure. Fed to an ever growing gullible audience grasping at straws. They have only gotten away with it for so long because transsexuals tend to avoid outing themselves as it defeats the object of fixing the mind and body mismatch in the 1st place if you're going to and broadcast that you did it. I'm older now my husband as passed away I have nothing to loose and some one needs to speak up for the genuine transsexuals and point out the difference that the transgender agenda as tried to blur. I did my SRS in the beginning of the1980s then I just got on with my life with my late husband after my surgery. So was quite shocked when after my husband sudden death 31 years later and I went searching for a Post-op Transsexual widows support group and only found the embarrassing radical transgender agenda movement crap online that only serves to make a mockery of what it is to be Transsexual and trample all over women right as if they don't even matter. Many of today's trans folk are a breed unto themselves who lack empathy for women and women's rights. I find all this shameful, embarrassing and hurtful. My advice to anyone who is planning to come out as trans, is to invest in some big girl knickers 1st and stop trampling all over women's rights. On a side note I was amongst one of the 1st to be legally allowed to apply from my gender recognition certificate. As it was offered to those of us who were over 7 year Post-Op or longer 1st to clear the backlog of those of us who had been waiting decades for that day to come. I looked into it and decided I did not need to get mine. Since then the requirements needed to apply for the gender recognition certificate have changed drastically to include non-op so basically anyone who decided they wish to identify as female. So for me it's now not even worth the paper it's printed on and is demeaning of all I suffered growing up in the 60s 70s & 80s to be happy within my own skin. Of course women have reasons to be concerned about this. Even I do not feel safe around many of today's folks claiming to be trans. It covers such a wide spectrum of weird and wonderful people, many of whom do not have womens best interests at heart.

That is so sad Sophie died Rip.

@micksidious320

2 жыл бұрын

Really?

@fungo6631

2 жыл бұрын

Natural causes or a 41% army draft?

@JohnSmith-lu4ry

2 жыл бұрын

s

@bibtebo

2 жыл бұрын

@@micksidious320 its a wonderfully made point if you think about it

In case anyone was wondering the NHS isn't struggling, its being purposely deconstructed with malicious intent by the UK government. The reality of the matter is we have more than enough money to fund every procedure for every health care need in this country, and pay our NHS staff a reasonable wage. Trans people aren't making your queues longer or taking away your procedures, the Conservative Government is.

@dearhunter7206

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically it was labour who started off the selling of the NHS.. Also if simple procedures can cost thousands how are plastic surgery's not going to inflate that??? Yes we probably can afford it just as we could afford to bump up benefits to 2k a month per person but why should we?? That money will have to come from somewhere...

@TheSapphireLeo

Жыл бұрын

End, boycott and abolish money, along with the nzi, too!

This nonsense needs to stop

Don't look at the comments - just watch the video and ignore the comments: you have been warned.

@stephenderogier6790

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, seeing the video's subject matter, the comments are full of downright hateful people.

@clarenceboddicker2693

2 жыл бұрын

Okay, Nikki.

@FamousActor_AlPacenis

2 жыл бұрын

God forbid you get both sides of an argument. That’s the problem in itself. Why watch the video if you already believe this. Who are you watching it for? The idea of stories like this is to change perceptions and draw support. You can’t gain support if all the audience is already supporters…

@NTHNGLIKEDEEZ

2 жыл бұрын

ok, Thought police

@vonVince

2 жыл бұрын

There is no "argument" - telling people to go kill themselves and call them all manner of spiteful crud is not any kind of argument, but good on you "Queen Antifa" (that's really original) for trying to spin this around.

16:31 Jewish Trans Revolution? What does this mean?

@josephkolodziejski6882

2 жыл бұрын

Something to get Carl of Swindon to let out a dog whistle I suppose.

@kariarabellalassauniere402

2 жыл бұрын

The gender critical crowd think trans people are a conspiracy by George Soros and other Jewish trans humanists. It's wierd and anti Semitic.

@slimshadyjr9889

2 жыл бұрын

You’d still have to hide your sexuality and gender identity if you were Muslim. Islam probably has the most hatred towards LGBT

@micksidious320

2 жыл бұрын

@@slimshadyjr9889 probably the only thing Muslims have got right

@womenbio7731

2 жыл бұрын

@@kariarabellalassauniere402 nope, they think the trans movement is a sexist movement and homophobic one...which it is...same sex attraction and single sex spaces are right that have been hard won. now trans is erasing both. screeching anti-semtitic is stupid when jewish women like abigail sherier have written about this issue at length....can't call her anti-Semitic

I only came here to see the like-dislike ratio. I'm not surprised.

@adamguerrero5293

2 жыл бұрын

I am. What is there to like about this video?

@xandermurdock6131

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamguerrero5293 Well, I did end up watching like half of it and the comments surprised me a lot. I expected way more transphobia.

@adamguerrero5293

2 жыл бұрын

@@xandermurdock6131 Do you consider the statement that a "woman is an adult human female" transphobic?

None is excluded from healthcare, if there are no health issues that is another thing.

4:26 "puberty blockers are reversible" I've often heard this but am not sure what the evidence is for or against this statement. Anyone able to share peer reviewed references either way?

Trans rights are human rights & healthcare should be accessible by everyone. Thank you for the piece Freddie. We will always fight until everyone is considered equal & trans folk ain't dying

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

Trans people in the uk do have equal healthcare rights and access

@sitdownstandup91

2 жыл бұрын

what are trans people dying of?

@noobian3314

2 жыл бұрын

@@sitdownstandup91 lack of self acceptance and its being fed by their own community

@noobian3314

2 жыл бұрын

Healthcare is available for everyone for in UK however if they want cosmetic surgery thats out ur own pocket, trans people want cosmetic surgery

@mackenziet550

2 жыл бұрын

The right to have lip injections is a human right & lip injections should be accessible to everyone.

The world and it's people have gotten so complicated.

@bleu2680

2 жыл бұрын

Always has, you're just hearing about it now

Excuse my ignorance, but is there any way to get it done privately? Maybe use go fund me and similar platforms to get funds. It’s not perfect, but it would help people make it through the long wait times

@singleoneonly

2 жыл бұрын

It's an incredibly sad day when we're telling people to compete with others on fucking go fund me just to have healthcare.

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

@@singleoneonly they have access to healthcare just as everyone in the country does, it just requires waiting. They don’t want to wait, so the other option is to pay themselves. I don’t see why that’s ‘sad’. That’s one of the best access to healthcare in the world.

@no4869

2 жыл бұрын

@@singleoneonly The NHS is there to protect public health. Trans issues aren't public health issues. If transitioning is so important to them, they can go to a private hospital.

@billmartins5545

2 жыл бұрын

People should just get private insurance to pay for these frivolous surgeries.

@themikaylashow9374

Жыл бұрын

I was going private for 2 yrs (I was self medicating for 6 months before going private). I've had so much hate from my family including conversion therapy from them. I waited 2 weeks short of FOUR YEARS to start NHS care. I actually moved gender clinics (from Charing Cross to trans plus). Charing Cross is still making appointments for people referred in January 2018. I was referred in July 2018.

R blockers actually reversible ? Fully reversible with no side effects ?

The need menntal health care.

@drn1850

2 жыл бұрын

exactly

@ellewilliams5162

2 жыл бұрын

I think you do, you sound absolutely delusional. Being trans isn’t a mental disorder. You treat dysphoria with gender affirming care

@kl3321

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellewilliams5162 and that's literally the only treatment? I've had dysphoria (briefly when I ID'd as trans), I know people who have it or have had it (long-term) for whom physical transition didn't work. The idea that the ONLY way you can resolve dysphoria is to transition physically is a scam sold by the pharmaceutical industry. Physical transition (surgery, hormones etc) helps SOME people, IF they are given all the information beforehand and have a realistic idea of what they're agreeing to (i.e. don't think it will magically make them the same as someone born as the sex they seek to have features of). but what we're seeing now is people latching onto transition without realistic expectations, without support for (helpful, sensitive) therapy if they choose. It's like the only therapy they can get that doesn't assume they will transition/id as trans is conversion therapy which obviously helps no one. So yes, these people do need mental health care, at least as much as they're offered hormones and surgery. The medical industry is failing dysphoric people.

@ellewilliams5162

2 жыл бұрын

@@kl3321 In trans people that's how you treat it and also people with PCOS. I do understand that this is;t for everyone though. I was only really talking about trans people, I have experienced dysphoria since I was a child.

@kl3321

2 жыл бұрын

@@ellewilliams5162 the treatment for PCOS isn't comparable to the range of transition treatments. And I appreciate you saying you are only speaking for yourself. I have seen many people claim that medical transition is THE treatment for dysphoria however, which is wrong and a dangerous idea to spread. Regardless of how a person's dysphoria presents (i.e. since childhood, long term etc) the circumstances will be different for everyone (since there are also people with dysphoria since childhood who did not or would not get a net benefit from transition). anyway of course your personal choices/treatment is your business and I'm not talking about that.

That last point "We can't do anything else, we can't not be trans" that's so impactful. There's no where to go with this but forward.

@brennanwn

2 жыл бұрын

👏👏

@yurichtube1162

2 жыл бұрын

It was their choice to transition. Their responsibility to take care of themselves.

@rhiannongreen2642

2 жыл бұрын

@@yurichtube1162 to transition medically, that is a choice, to be trans, as in not identify with the gender assigned at birth, is not a choice.

@adamguerrero5293

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhiannongreen2642 "gender" isn't assigned at birth. Sex is observed at birth. Genders are stereotypes. Fine, don't live by stereotypes, but growing a mustache doesn't make you male if born female, and wearing dresses doesn't make you a female if born a male.

@rhiannongreen2642

2 жыл бұрын

@@adamguerrero5293 wait, did you just try to correct my use of gender/sex then misinterpret it yourself?

I understand many people of the UK, are suffering under a crumbling NHS.

fucking hell mate

As an American, I see the problem isn't just the NHS, it the attitude of society in general. And that opinion of society is formed by the media and politics. The identity of being Trans is very political, it is an expansion of rights that some people don't think we should have by simply not acknowledging our existence. And they are finding it increasing difficult to do that, as we have always been here, and we are not just going to go away. We have the same issue in America, but we don't have a public health service, but if we did I could see the same thing happening here with our version of the NHS. The conservative party would cut funding because rich people don't have enough money. The media would pile on with their 'balanced take' on the issues with opposing views that are quite frankly baseless in their interpretation of lives they don't only not understand, but are willfully trying to be ignorant of. I think it is pretty disingenuous of some feminists to call Trans Women out and police our gender, when they don't want their gender policed. That is not feminism, it is fear turn to hatred. It's fear turned inward to other Women. This video made me cry for all those who haven't had the opportunity to get what they need, like I did. It wasn't easy for me, and took me a long time to get, but I did it many years ago and I have to remember how hard it was for me. So, with that said, I wish my Sisters and Brothers in the UK all the best.

@schitz-poppinov8657

Жыл бұрын

Feminists aren’t afraid of trans men they just don’t want them competing in women’s sports or using the same bathroom OR saying they are a woman just because they mutilate their bodies and like to play dress up like that doesn’t make you a women no matter what anyone says

"The media's obsession with 'the trans debate' " 12:25 This is a weird thing to say, as though the narrator thinks there is nothing to debate.

@Liam1079

2 жыл бұрын

The 'Trans Debate' is focused on debating whether or not Trans people exist, in which case it isn't really a debate, and certainly not one a Trans person would be having.

I wish i could have a conversation with someone like Christine. Sounds like she has so much knowledge and experience she gained over all those years protesting and fighting..

"I wish I could hug you" aww give him a hug lady

In my country, treatment for trans people is free, and the wait lists are short because the trans population is quite small, therefore making them inexpensive to deal with. Given how few people in general are impacted by this issue, the fact that they have to wait for years for treatment comes across as rather ominous, because it implies that people with more serious issues like cancer aren't in a much better position

@Ramses060784

2 жыл бұрын

What's your country?

@enriquedp9356

2 жыл бұрын

It looks like the uk is filled by transgenders and islamists. I wonder who’s going to win at the end(I already know who)

@meowmiaumiauw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ramses060784 I'm Canadian. Our country's constitution mandates protections and rights for LGBT people in general, including trans people

@Ramses060784

2 жыл бұрын

@@meowmiaumiauw I think your constitution protects all Canadians, except your indigenous people :v

@meowmiaumiauw

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ramses060784 Pretty much all of the Canadian government's money comes from mining, and from trade with the US. The mines are all on native soil, so if the state extended the rights people like me enjoy to indigenous peoples, then it would bankrupt the state. Most Canadians actually would like to see that happen though, because the Canadian state doesn't do a very good job of representing the Canadian right or the Canadian left. Also, most people don't want most of the country's money to depend on continuing the genocide against First Nations people (no, the genocide never ended). The reason the system continues to exist is because no one's created a viable alternative that the majority of the country supports. The group that got the closest to succeeding were the FLQ (Quebecois Communist Separatists) so currently the majority of efforts to try to improve the aspects of the country that are genuinely deplorable like the ongoing genocide targeting indigenous people are rooted in similar leftist ideologies.

Hey remember Dennis Avner aka Stalking Cat? He was that guy who wanted to look like a tigress that the media started talking about like 15 years ago. He went all in. No one in the world can convince me that wasn't an extreme case of "body dysphoria". Some people liked it, some people didn't. Most said "huh" and moved on with their lives because in all honesty, he wasn't really affecting anyone else and was free to do what he wanted. No one should have been made to pay for his affirmation procedures, no one needed to refer to him as a tigress and it wasn't anyone else's fault that his life ultimately fell apart. I don't know why I'm thinking about him right now.

@liamkruchten1267

2 жыл бұрын

So you’re comparing one person to a different group of millions, and believe that makes you qualified to determine what is best for those millions of people? It sounds like it was dysphoria. Not gender dysphoria. Not something that has been present for all recorded human history in almost all cultures. You’re really trying to make that analogy?

@captainwo

2 жыл бұрын

@@liamkruchten1267 Yes I am comparing one person who wanted to physically alter themselves to be more inline with what they felt they were on the inside to a group of people doing the same currently being pushed as completely natural and healthy. That, as you correctly stated, is an analogy I am making and I chose this example because it is easy for the modern normie to see it as dysphoria as well maybe because it is. You're right though, it probably would have been better to compare it to like the gay rights movement because of all the special rights and denial of reality they demanded as well. I wouldn't be the first to lump them together as the same types of people after all, definitely not every June! I'm sure you're aware that stating "there have always been people like this" or "there are millions of them" can be applied to any number of traits we don't encourage let alone provide federal funding and special rights for. Unlike those overtly harmful examples, I say let them do their thing, let others react how they want and let them own the results of their actions. They're asking for special treatment in a manner never before seen in human history and calling it "equal rights" and I'm far from the only person who sees it. I dunno, maybe I'm just in need of another college degree so I can finally get educated. While on the topic however, I found it really insensitive of you to claim to be "qualified to determine" that there have not been countless closeted Stalking Cats throughout world history. You're going to be really ashamed of that message when the trans-species movement really kicks off in 2032.

@lazlow9640

2 жыл бұрын

That kind of body modification tends to come from extreme trauma during childhood.

@liamkruchten1267

2 жыл бұрын

@f3mcell and millions who don’t. And most who regret transitioning regret it not because they realize they aren’t transgender, but because living as someone who is visibly transgender is too awful and dangerous in such a transphobic society.

@liamkruchten1267

2 жыл бұрын

@f3mcell What's the issue?

If being born Trans is a medical issue, why isn't there research being done to find out why babies are born in the wrong bodies? maybe find ways to stop that happening, surely being born in the right body at birth is a goal to strive for instead of all these horrible surgeries?

Thank you for this video, Freddy and Vice. It's hard for us to be heard in any major publication. I'll be sharing this video where I can.

I’m of mindset of I don’t care do whatever you want just leave me alone

@rk3714

2 жыл бұрын

Dazzlingly hot take. Stunning. Groundbreaking. Earth shattering.

@carloaB14

2 жыл бұрын

I know right it’s such a unique idea

A very important video. I wonder if my MP'll watch it if I send it to her? Might be worth a try.. Hope this gets as many views as it deserves, thanks for shining a light on this whole.. situation.

@adamguerrero5293

2 жыл бұрын

Tavistock?

@ST-gd4go

2 жыл бұрын

@@vlad516 elaborate

@JadedMarigold

2 жыл бұрын

@@ST-gd4go I’m pretty sure they are referring to out percentage of suicides by us trans people

I wouldn't even go through the public service with something so serious. You should all get private health care.

They need therapy, not hormones or surgery. Get private healthcare if you don't like the NHS.

3 - 5 years on the waiting list is short if you live in the Southwest then your waiting times are currently 6 -7 years and there is no hope of this improving over the next few years.

@roxarecool

2 жыл бұрын

It’s exotic elective surgery. Sorry. Wait in line.

@LostInTheFold

2 жыл бұрын

@@roxarecool The majority medical consensus as well as the NHS disagrees with you opinion that it's 'exotic' or 'elective'. The only reason there's a 'line' at all is because of an ineffective and outdated system designed to discourage and prevent people accessing trans related healthcare in the first place. The line consists solely of OTHER trans people all waiting years upon years to get even a first appointment in which nothing happens other than scheduling a second appointment in 6 months time.

@TransRadioUK_Andrea

2 жыл бұрын

@@roxarecool so when you need life saving surgery are you going to wait 7 years for your appointment I don't think so. This is not "exotic elective surgery" but life saving treatment.

@TransRadioUK_Andrea

2 жыл бұрын

@Lee harry enty if they told you that you would have to wait 6-7 years for a prescription to have your teeth done and then look at a £20-£30,000 bill would you be happy?

@johnnytsunami3695

2 жыл бұрын

@@TransRadioUK_Andrea How is it life saving? The suicide rates of trans people have not shown to decrease post surgery.

I’m cis but this video made me cry. How we treat these people is completely unacceptable.

@bibtebo

2 жыл бұрын

You're an idiot. How we treat them? What offering free at the point of access healthcare to treat their dysphoria? Cis dude i went to school with commited suicide recently. He had mental health struggles and was being treated by the NHS. Is it fair game for me to say that the entire national health service, which is underfunded and broken across the board, has blood on its hands? No. I would never be so selfish and entitled as that. Just got finished listening to Yeonmi Parks interview with Joe Rogan where she describes the hell she has been through and entire nation of people have been subjected to for generations, and you're sat here crying over a documentary which documents a healthcare system working very hard to create an effective and safe treatment system for a demographic which contains less people than there are in Coventry, and not getting it perfect. Get some perspective and have a look in the mirror Gareth.

@GarethPW

2 жыл бұрын

@@bibtebo Not sure why you seem to think what you’ve just described doesn’t upset me too.

@rotisserie8444

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not just trans people being affected it’s everyone

@GarethPW

2 жыл бұрын

@@rotisserie8444 Sadly

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

They are treated the same as everyone else. Do they want to be better then everyone else? Get superior treatment?

If you want to transition into whatever you choose, it should be at your expense. And…before people tell me that this saves lives and stops suicides, then there should be data available that the 20% of people who now identify as ‘not their original gender’ killing themselves for centuries. People feel the necessity to be victims and narcissists.

Extremely irresponsible reporting to parrot the "puberty blockers are completely reversible" line when this is not known. The NHS website itself says "Little is known about the long-term side effects of hormone or puberty blockers in children with gender dysphoria." All you are doing is increasing the distress of young people with dysphoria - giving them the idea that there is this magic pill being denied them. This piece seems to only cover medical interventions such as hormones and surgery. I'd like to know what support is given trans people besides medical intervention, like mental health support (which NHS availability is also in crisis for all sections of society). You can have gender dysphoria without being trans and some trans people also now choose not to have surgery, hormones etc., so this is important - if the wait list for the gender clinic is years long, is there anything offered in the interrim?

@terintiaflavius3349

2 жыл бұрын

That would be a valid actual conversation that it appears no one is able to have anymore

@AmbroseCadwell

2 жыл бұрын

No, nothing is offered in the interim and mental health support after the wait times is minimal beyond the 1-2 years of psychological assessment before starting hormones etc.

@user-lh7pl2fu9c

2 жыл бұрын

You don't care about trans people. You're perfectly happy to force trans girls to grow up to look like men just because it makes you feel more comfortable.

@peopleingeneral3086

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lh7pl2fu9c lol “look like men” your so sexist

@blankityblank8316

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-lh7pl2fu9c No one is "forcing" them, it's called nature, and it's making them look like men...because they are men.

good

This was really good, and glad that Vice news did a serious piece on this.

Public healthcare is slow not only for trans issues but also of other issues and selective procedures because it is free and funded by taxes. There’s always private healthcare if you want something quick and that is not in any way blocked for trans people, I don’t see any discrimination here at all.

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Social healthcare is slow for all because everyone has access (so everyone can get in line) and it’s done by priority- and quite frankly there are a lot of emergency procedures that will get priority for theatre space over gender reassignment surgery.

@kingoliever1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bringon-dw8dx Not really, heard as European British health care is rather bad and in Germany this will just get you better services like single rooms. This is just wrong, when you mean waiting times at the doctors waiting room that´s true but we talk about 10-30 minutes waiting to be called. This is just a question of funding and the US just pay´s more for worse services. I am pretty sure you will have the exact same process when you want transitioning and have to do the same mental health checks as a private patient here as they are just then are legally required to pay for it. Also weird thing here the catholic and protestant Lutheran churches run most hospitals here and are payed by the state insurances for there services and are allowed to act on there religious believes so they probably could simply reject to do this procedure. Even will do this when it comes to the pill after and sexual crimes where they deny treatment legally besides discriminating in the employment whit tax money which is the part which makes this really bad for me. I really don´t even care this much about the whole trans stuff but what Americans seem to think public healthcare is seems to have little to do whit what we acutely got in Europe, for example things like death panels just don´t exist as this would simply mean your under funding. That in the US you might get easier experimental treatments whit exceptional healthcare seems likely but this probably is something for the absolute upper % and in Europe you would maybe need to travel but for most of the population it seems you rather get better and sooner treatment in a public system. For example uninsured people that sit on some illness which get´s worse like cancer to save on medical bills until it´s really bad will just not happen here. While also the thing your talking about see,s kinda simply a question of capacity and probably whit a public funded system you get faster some rare not really profitable treatment, that the US has shorter waiting times in regular doctor´s practice seems likely when people themselves pay but it seems you might even get longer waiting times for some special test or treatment which is rarely needed

@Bringon-dw8dx

2 жыл бұрын

@@kingoliever1 I’m not saying it’s a bad system, I would take it any day over private. However for non urgent, more routine things it can be slow because we prioritise treating those who need it the most. In private based systems those who can pay the most are seen first.

@kingoliever1

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Bringon-dw8dx Well sounds like this makes sense on first thought but i am not really sure it is true as i said i think this kinda has to be a question more of capacity then anything else and i don´t see why it should take longer. I am also not sure if the same people that do really live threatening stuff are the same doing more routine check ups and i would assume for example this are kinda two separate systems whit there own equipment basically on stand by. I mean what could be is for example x ray scans where cancer patients get the soonest appointment possible but i would also here assume you have rather specialized clinics whit there own equipment there. The thing seems they ether would have to keep basically time for 1-2 cases a day free when you would do it all by the same people or cancel not important appointment which is just happening in absolute exceptional circumstances. How things kinda work here is we have rather enough doctors but for example more rural areas have also a shortage on doctors but that´s for the same reason it would happen in a private system as they have there little customers. While also i am not sure how people think they get payed but there is i think not even a huge difference in this as in both cases most get the money from a insurance but in the public system i think this are fixed prices which seems acutely a good thing when you compare it to the US where things like insulin seem insanely expensive as like whit illegal drugs there is a market failure whit people having to buy so they can be squeezed badly. Not sure from where you are but i would think when i would compare healthcare spending of the UK to Germany this would be the reason as i think the only big issue i think i heard much about was that we have in rural less populated areas to little doctors.

ok i understand most of this video but there was a kid on my block who was a boy and became trans one year later he was a boy again what if he had become a girl than he would be stuck in a gender he did not want and we are stuck with the same problem

@latch9781

2 жыл бұрын

I guess why they said about the puberty blockers, apparently they're reversable and give more time to choose

@elmuffinmanthecartelguy7296

2 жыл бұрын

@@latch9781 well that makes sense