It's a beauty pageant. Might as well call it a stereotype contest, regardless.

"it's not a celebration of trans women and their unique beauty, it's a celebration of passing" oof that hit me hard

@anthonyalles1833

9 ай бұрын

If you suffer from gender dysphoria, isn't that what you're looking to do?

@liminalmind2771

9 ай бұрын

@@anthonyalles1833 The issue is more that someone may get to a point where they're happy with how they look and feel affirmed, but then everyone else or others in the trans community put pressure on them to "pass" or look "even better". So basically part of the issue is more of societal beauty standards at a certain point rather than just alleviating dysphoria which is the initial (and more important) goal

@anthonyalles1833

9 ай бұрын

@@liminalmind2771 Perhaps, but a trans person is no more obligated to dedicate her life to fighting the patriarchy than any other woman. They have enough problems to deal with, they don't need yet another burden unwillingly placed on them. IMHO I find all beauty pageants silly and retrograde, but I don't demand that everyone share my views.

@winstons2024

9 ай бұрын

​@@RobertTaylor-gz2fuLike you try to "pass" for a decent human being?

@RobertTaylor-gz2fu

9 ай бұрын

@@winstons2024 You mean because I don't accept that Dylan Mulvaney, Eddie Izzard, Lia Thomas etc. are women?

facinating that the cosmetic industry from the medical side is investing in the pageants. seems obvious in hindsight but still interesting to find that connection out

Grew up with family that participated in beauty pageants from the 60's thru the 80's. Mother was Miss Huntington Beach, older cousin was Miss California almost Miss America. The pressure on family split everything up. A generation of family that should have grown up and enjoyed each other's company building a community fractured because of mob mentality. That's what it feels like from my perspective. As long as pageants are an expression of creativity and social support for each other and not some contest to FIGHT each other over, then it is just humans doing something good. Kindness needs to win out.

@scaydsods2844

9 ай бұрын

This applies to everything in life, love your point of view, keep spreading love 💕

@MA-fg5hz

9 ай бұрын

My neighbors daughter was Miss California, a gorgeous woman who died from alcohol Poisoning. She was a broken alcoholic in her 30's I think. A very sad story for their family.

@chillfluencer

9 ай бұрын

That's sick.

@alfonsoc.950

6 ай бұрын

I dont think these pagents will have kids and I doubt they were forced as kids (they were men back then) to compete

They can have their own shows with their own display of talent. I dont think merging is needed

@catbox7958

9 ай бұрын

They’re all women tho.

@connor5669

9 ай бұрын

Separate but equal!!

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

They are not women, they are men with lots of surgery, something that was not even allowed to women.

@NyanyiC

9 ай бұрын

I think that also goes for sporting activities - it's not fair for them to compete with natural women

@mytruecrimelibrary

9 ай бұрын

So segregation? Gross.

There's nothing wrong with people _wanting_ to express themselves with 'stereotypical' gender presentations, just as there's nothing wrong with going another way. It's only a problem when people are _forced_ to go one way, or victimized when they don't. Let people be free.

@RobertTaylor-gz2fu

9 ай бұрын

How about 'new women' using all-female spaces?

@harrisonbannerman7412

9 ай бұрын

The problem is claiming stereotypes make you X. IE: If a white person acted like a stereotypical asian it would be called racism

@jjswigger8591

9 ай бұрын

too bad 4/5 trans are meth heads

@damien4969

9 ай бұрын

@@RobertTaylor-gz2fumost women support trans rights lmao

@RobertTaylor-gz2fu

9 ай бұрын

@@damien4969 Most women aren't accepting of 'new women' in all-female spaces or women's sports.

a competition that rates plastic surgeons work :)

@erinlevere6881

4 ай бұрын

Well that goes for a lot of female beauty pageants too these days

@barbrothers2

2 ай бұрын

@@erinlevere6881 you used to be banned from competing in pageants back in the day if they knew you had any plastic surgery. i know that women who have given birth aren't eligible to compete in some competitions (read it in the fine print in one i was in during my teens) so i really hope that rule has been eliminated if they're allowing males to join

@rottengal

2 ай бұрын

@@barbrothers2unless you live under a rock, miss colombia and miss guatemala were both competing in miss universe this year and they are both mothers, what other excuse are you gonna use to spread your hate now?

Christ, a doctor that doesn’t know how to properly wear a surgical mask! 🤦🏻‍♂️

God Thailand is the most based Asian country ever. Where can u smoke weed, drink beer, and look at a trans beauty pageant?

@barbrothers2

2 ай бұрын

you could just go to hostess bars in japan or south korea, drink and look at actual real beautiful women, not men. chaser?

This seems like a competition/advertisement for plastic surgeons?

@mrobject9113

9 ай бұрын

Yes, that's what all beauty pageants are for, to make ugly women feel bad about themselves enough to pay money to surgically alter themselves to look like the women on tv. Are you new here?

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

Also butchers that want to make money on confused kids. Tons fo money.

@nigelfrench8894

8 ай бұрын

Yes, a money making industry. Male plastic surgeons creating a male fantasy!

Perfect. The fact that doctors judge this completion speaks volumes 😖

@jaws392

8 ай бұрын

Any doctor who thinks a trans woman is a woman, needs to have their medical license revoked immediately. Please stop conforming to a person’s delusions.

@atlantic_love

6 ай бұрын

The fact that you felt it important to post your nonsense, and not even spell words correctly, speaks volumes about you.

It's fine. They are doing their own thing. No problems with that at all. Infact i hope they are successful and have fun.

@wanderingoutlaw2083

Ай бұрын

I don't

They are beautiful!!

Awesome video.

Thanks for sharing!

These girls inspire me to get skinny

@thedailyhummm

Ай бұрын

what girls? I looked at the whole video and I didn’t see any girls

They are beautiful

@KARMA-jr6uk

9 ай бұрын

😂

@NyanyiC

9 ай бұрын

@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm assuming you are male-wouldn't you chat up any one of them?

@KARMA-jr6uk

9 ай бұрын

@@NyanyiC hell nah

@NyanyiC

9 ай бұрын

@@KARMA-jr6uk I'm sure you won't realize it at first. Like I said they are beautiful

@exnihilo415

8 ай бұрын

They are beautiful. I ended up marrying a Thai trans girl. Best decision I ever made.

Beautifully done. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

One would think 8n other places of their world in trans communities They would want evolved from women competitive pageant. Mimicking what cis women go through is just ridiculous. Beauty is internal and external.. Humanity wants attention especially from each other. Very immature. More important things on earth to do in support of humanity

Great interviewer.

Maybe both Also do reports on Bangladesh please

I mean... Just have separate beauty pageants specifically for Trans. That makes more sense than merging with biological women pageants.

@alexandergapour1253

6 ай бұрын

If only they could do the same thing for sports

@rottengal

2 ай бұрын

these beauty pageants have existed for years, decades even, straight people just ignore them because they don’t view them as “valid” as the pageants for biological women

Can you do a video on hypohydrosis

Well done small documentary, will pass to all my trans friends. What a great point of you!

Miss Pinay slayed!

Your conclusion was always something that was obvious honey, I apologise, but they chose to be there.

Omg this is like such a pressing question and we demand answers!!

I just want to say not all clinics like this I think the owner, surgeon can actually get a bigger premises more room. The recovery room is really not hygienic and doesn’t look safe to me. Anyway they seem to doing well.

The former is correct no need for a whole video

Thank God I'm American Trans Women in the USA but I do enjoy watching these Trans Beauty Pageants from these country, I hope who ever watching this video to learn more about our Trans community and not judge like these Online trolls with stupidity negative comments about Trans women, if ya don't like watching the video then don't watch go away K!

@barbrothers2

2 ай бұрын

oh hunny you'll find more acceptance online than you ever will in real life. unless you live in a libbed out shthole, everyone hates trans women.

How long before they turn the comments off on this

happy to see this subject explored with the level of nuance it deserves!! thank you to Rana for the insightful coverage

I am a woman and I want to enter this space

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

How do you compete with artificial beauty full of surgeries and silicon? And they are not women, just men.

@nigelfrench8894

8 ай бұрын

Mmm, I doubt a real woman would be allowed., but trans allowed in women's spaces.

why is every other VICE video about trans people? I swear to god everyone is completely obsessed with this issue.

@hifijohn

9 ай бұрын

Only the extreme left, they love anything thats weird and different and bothers conservatives and religious people.

@ijustchangedmyname7794

9 ай бұрын

*God

@tintincruz8660

9 ай бұрын

@@hifijohn Some do, but at least we can respect the differences in each humans instead of forcing everyone to be a fucking robot and fit inside one shoe. As anarchists, we don't put our confidence based on how we annoy conservative Nazis. We put it based on how we RESPECT people

@hertzbergny

9 ай бұрын

it's not an issue, silly goose!

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

Soros bought them and that´s pretty obvious this is part of their agenda.

A beauty pageant cant be the only platform for all the social equality that trans people are trying to achieve. A beauty pageant is about beauty, and gender dysphoria does need passing. But many pass in the normal world, to win, someone has to be a more pleasing to the eye.

I am a filmmaker student, in my own way and from my work, I am working and struggling on a project to help change these kind of social problems. I am from the same country as Javiera, and even that, myself as a man, struggle all the time finding people from the LGTB community to join my project. My point is, the world is like that, the only way to fulfill a change is creating something new; maybe judging these kind of events is not the proper way to find a solution, after all, most of them are "almost" honest, I mean they are always about beauty, that's the all point. If someone finds this must change then the solution is create a contest about something else, where beauty wwould be a minor factor.

idk I’m transgender myself and I think if all long as u have the means to look the part that’s all that matters but come on who wants to stand next to a brick and consider them your sister pls

@Nadia_Ngozi

2 ай бұрын

I mean who cares. I’m trans as well. If every trans girl was a doll there it would be fabricated. Not everyone (even cis women are ultra feminine) you have tomboys etc . …trans people are the same. If you want to be a doll, be a doll. But don’t hate on other trans people because they don’t put the same values on passing as you do.

Respect each other ❤

5:23 The term "mermaid" is rather cute and enduraning.

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

I think it's discriminatory towards cows. Why doesn't anyone want to be a cow only a mermaid?

And that is the answer loser will give. I bet you they won't think that way should they had won.

Tans videos employee is back from vacation I guess

0:42 if you want people to listen to anything your hauking yes it is lol

"News"

They're just having a good time. Leave them alone.

Definitely reinforcing stereotypes.

Yay Philippines!!!!

This makes more sense than them joining miss universe which is traditionally for natural born women. How can you push for transgender acceptance when you're already stepping the boundaries of nature. Fight for your rights, but don't say you are a woman coz you're not. But you are an amazing transgender woman and that's something to be proud of

Papai cici - Malaysia ❤❤❤❤

"It's a celebration of passing-who can look and sound the most like a traditional cisgender beauty queen." That sounded like an insult to all transwomen

@chtuh

6 ай бұрын

Мужчина извращенец не является женщиной lol

@Ranatastic

5 ай бұрын

Why is it an insult to trans women, we’re criticizing the institutions which subjected us to these standards,, 😅

Autogynephilia

@ashleyuniversespinner1938

2 ай бұрын

Is that your mother name ?

Neither

As a trans woman I try to be supportive but I don’t get the whole beauty pageant thing. Good on em for doing it live your truth and all but I think beauty pageants set back all women sis and trans.

@myron1231234

9 ай бұрын

No such thing as a cis category for woman, you are a man and I would suggest heavy counseling because deep down you aren’t living your true self your living in delusion.

@wehrmeister

9 ай бұрын

As a straight male, I totally agree with you. No matter how they try to church these pageants up, it still boils down to displaying an individual as a dressed up piece of meat, no matter how many "world peace" questions you throw into it.

@alpacafish1269

9 ай бұрын

that's understandable.

@customfantasyhotwheels

8 ай бұрын

Stop calling us normal people "cis". We are BIOLOGICAL males and females. If you cannot accept that, then you have to be comfortable with being called "tra**y" by us BIOLOGICAL men and women.

Not comparable nor should they be. Different foundations regardless of adding or subtracting.

Most prettiest

Reinforcing because I guarantee you, that the transwomen who allowed to participate, have to fit the "passability test". Beauty comes in all forms, and a transwoman shouldn't have to fit a mold to be considered beautiful.

@annenelson5656

9 ай бұрын

Neither should biological women. When I see a slightly overweight girl with dark skin, glasses and kinky hair I’ll believe that Miss America is about scholarships.

@rachelrolltide3106

9 ай бұрын

It's the same for cis women. I ain't getting in that show.

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

There is still room for an ugliness contest. That way no one feels offended.

@customfantasyhotwheels

8 ай бұрын

​@@getthekool1758- Yeah, but still, most of them are gorgeous. They are all winners in my eyes.

@getthekool1758

8 ай бұрын

@@customfantasyhotwheels My point is there is a difference between what is ugly and what is beautiful. And seems people are getting offended because the reality is what is superior is better, and this is how life works.

ew

Bro 😂

Well has a long has their doing their own thing and not ruining real woman spaces I am all for it

@AkonFenty1992

5 ай бұрын

Yep

Can Cis women join?

@PeachBooks

7 ай бұрын

Nope. This is specific 😊 only transgenders are allowed because you have to present your old documents before you changed

@littlecatfeet9064

Ай бұрын

@@PeachBooksBut nothing is allowed to be women-only. Can’t OP just identify as a trans woman?

@PeachBooks

Ай бұрын

@@littlecatfeet9064 honestly I have no idea why they join us in women’s only spaces. But the last I heard they were going to make it possible In miss universe. But this one is specific to just them

@PeachBooks

Ай бұрын

@@littlecatfeet9064 you can try the forged papers but you have to show plastic surgery before and after here

Thanks for covering this, so insightful

Beauty is in the eyes of the be holder.

I hate the scary background tense music when the patients are in the recovery room. I think you are just jealous of the girls who have had surgeries when actually you’re faking the way you sound when you speak

I am not a cis woman. I am a woman.

I keep coming back to Vice News hoping that they do more in-depth reporting about things that matter like Ukraine, and Israel, but each time I'm sadly disappointed. What happened?

@user-wh9vy2fx8y

9 ай бұрын

Transformers... More than meets the Eye

@MrKeyframes

9 ай бұрын

they went from being counter-cultural to joining the mainstream media. pretty much an extension of the mass media but meant to spread their ESG-woke agenda to the younger demographic. they can't and won't encourage real critical thinking anymore. just follow the party line.

I THINK that that's is just sou Wrong in all ways

Like box of candy you don't know which one have coconut and how big it is.

Papai cici - Malaysia

Papai cici - Malaysia ❤❤❤❤❤❤

I don’t care what people do, so long as they are honest with and do no harm to others.

@sapphomet.7777

9 ай бұрын

Ty king

@kierenmoore3236

9 ай бұрын

@@sapphomet.7777 Sarcasm?

@sapphomet.7777

9 ай бұрын

@@kierenmoore3236 no straight up as a trans person This is an actually refreshing take because Fox News has tried to train a whole generation of people to try to immediately invoke ww2 get in the camps style Nazi propaganda against us

@desmond-hawkins

9 ай бұрын

@@kierenmoore3236 given the VICE audience and what they think about this topic, yes it's likely sarcasm. If you have the Chrome extension to view KZread dislikes, this video is currently at 244 likes and 460 dislikes. Every single one on this topic gets ratio'd about 2-to-1 or even 3-to-1 and is full of hateful comments.

@RisetoStrength

9 ай бұрын

@@desmond-hawkins It isn't hate to want to be safe in our own spaces.

it's fluff like straight miss competitions, with that extra layer of dark pattaya veneer

My name is abdul saak deek i want to saak deek 😂😂😂😂

Step up your game then haha

Beauty peagents are a result of basic human desire the feeling of being wanted and desired. Few questions and answers does not defines someone’s internal beauty. I can’t criticise it because I am also a human and I like being desired and attractive. But these pageants of any gender doesn’t define our true beauty. These contest only makes less attractive people more insecure. A day will come the technology like DNA modification and designer baby will make all people externally beautiful, especially the one who can afford it.

Honey, the Gworls are GIVING BEAUTY QUEENS YAAAASSS!!!!

As a cis-gender woman, I went in drag to see the Barbie movie. It was my protest against women (whether trans or not) feeling compelled to appear in this way. As Rana Thamrin said, it leaves a person wondering if she needs to be changing her appearance radically, if she cannot be accepted as she is- as she is in her skin, in her nature. Appearances are all very well, but aren't we each a lot more complex than that? There was an eye-opening documentary some years ago about plastic surgery in Venezuela- how women's body images were being literally shaped and dictated by one man and his ideas about what they should all look like- and how even very poor women were getting breast enhancement surgery. This is not it, but similar- kzread.info/dash/bejne/iKiYxqSzociTpqg.html

@goldiefaun

8 ай бұрын

there’s no way for a man to be a woman other than stereotypes, that’s not true for real women.

@customfantasyhotwheels

8 ай бұрын

You have been so brainwashed by the trans movement. The correct term is *"biological woman".* The term "cisgender" is the word used by trans-women and trans-men used to give themselves away (whether they are passable or not).

@Renee5322

8 ай бұрын

what

@zenster1097

7 ай бұрын

"as a cis-gender woman" opinion discarded

@customfantasyhotwheels

7 ай бұрын

@@zenster1097 - 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Yup. Get out of here with that "cisgender" rhetoric BS.

They just copied the concept from the Philippines. Our trans pageantry is way way back

yes!!!!!!!!! yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Impressive

Trans or not. It's bizarre. Not in a good or bad way. Just bizarre.

@tintincruz8660

9 ай бұрын

Agree. I am trans and coming from Philippines where pageants are a BILLION pesos industry, it's stupid and degrading to all women.

Cis……..don’t ever call me that to my face.

3.4k dislikes

@ashleyuniversespinner1938

2 ай бұрын

3.4k Bullshit

@ashleyuniversespinner1938

2 ай бұрын

3.4k b*l Sh*t

Ok andere tijd

We should have the next pageant in Gaza!! To show the acceptance and support both groups! We can start it is a fundraiser!!

How about we just stop overthinking everything and just let people do whatever the fuck they want

@nicolemarie1360

9 ай бұрын

because while there are some trans women competing in beauty pageants, there are countless other trans women out there being beat, raped, shunned because they don't look "passing" and to reinforce this, only the most passing, gorgeous trans woman is their voice? it's pretty sad. at least least trans women and cis women share this issue.

@alpacafish1269

9 ай бұрын

This is just a certain topic of discussion that is interesting to at least talk about. And like the person above me said, when there's countless non-passing transwomen being killed for being said non-passing (also cis women being killed for "appearing trans") how do these pageants presenting mostly passing trans-women effect those non-passing transwomen? It's just a question to be reckoned with.

Transformers... More than meets the Eye

@NyanyiC

9 ай бұрын

Lol brutal 🤖

Smh

Nah

i don't get it we already have women pageants why do we need this ?

@AkonFenty1992

5 ай бұрын

To separate the two. They need to compete against each other and not actual women.

Where is your coverage on the Israel Palestine conflict?!

@mikek6825

9 ай бұрын

I do not really have much to say about this topic either way...but you are right whats going on in the Middle East is more important/topical

@liminalmind2771

9 ай бұрын

Vice has extensively covered middle eastern issues for over a decade. They'll get around to it . Also since this was filmed in 2022 Im guessing this is just a re-release on KZread, not necessarily new

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

They would be making propaganda for HAMAS anyways.

@littlecatfeet9064

Ай бұрын

Hasn’t VICE filed for bankruptcy? I doubt their reporters will be travelling much, if they have any reporters.

Transwoman are the best ❤

Where are the women?

💜🕉️🩷☮️ they are groundbreaking and they move mountains

What a fascinating topic indeed! More power to the ladies featured here 👏🏽

@wheatlysparble7900

9 ай бұрын

​@@Answersonapostcardyes. Ladies

@PokhrajRoy.

9 ай бұрын

@@wheatlysparble7900 I agree with you: Ladies.

@warrior4christ777

9 ай бұрын

​@@AnswersonapostcardI know right!

@Zoolama34709

9 ай бұрын

@@AnswersonapostcardYes transgender women we are biological male but our gender is female so you understand! So yes we are ladies!

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

@@Zoolama34709 Just accept the reallity of things. This do not seem honest. Participating with lots of surgeries was not even allowed for women, some time ago. Why you are just entittled to do everything "because"?

Wtf

Thank you for this video. I see awesome trans people in everyday life & celebrate their being a part of everything. They don’t look like these beauty pageant queens but in the cisgender world of pageants, the same is true. I celebrate all our uniqueness.

@RobertTaylor-gz2fu

9 ай бұрын

Do you celebrate 'new women' using all-female spaces?

@annenelson5656

9 ай бұрын

“Cis gendered” is so offensive.

@RisetoStrength

9 ай бұрын

@@annenelson5656 I agree. We should just use "healthy" and "trans".

@rsync9490

9 ай бұрын

@@RisetoStrength "vanilla" and "Trans". Healthy, normal, real to describe cis is extremely offensive the other way.

@RisetoStrength

9 ай бұрын

@@rsync9490 I prefer healthy/normal and trans. Vanilla applies something else entirely.

These are not women in any sense or by any standards they will never ever now what a real woman goes through...

@erinlevere6881

4 ай бұрын

They trans they never said they are female

Miss International Queen 2022

Wow I loved this video! I'm so glad that trans pageants are getting more attention. I've been watching The Miss International Queen pageant for a while now and I plan on competing in 2025!

@brycebray9149

9 ай бұрын

You'll win

@getthekool1758

9 ай бұрын

Negative attention for stealing women's place, with lot of implants and surgeries you mean?

@bellabautista5902

8 ай бұрын

@@brycebray9149 You really think so? The women for the 2023 round were super intimidating so I’m a little nervous about it all haha

@MissAsianLadyboy

8 ай бұрын

Good Luckkkk I Will Support You Queen🥳💕

Let me clarify, i do not hate. That's your perspective and feelings of your creation. Yes, i could hate, but that's a choice, and there's more like love, compassion and empathy too. In growing up was taught religion of Christ, and in no eay Jesus never hated anyone throughout the years he was on Earth. God considers these lifestyles choices a sin, a given example is, Sodom and Gomorrah, in those cities had wickedness, but God was going to destroy, prior which is very important he sent two Angles in, but God didn't immediately destroy, he warn, and if you realize you are the one that hate, perhaps frim your personal experiences and your projecting your hate up us. Only hate i have is what if your wrong, and we are warning your pending doom? Personal choices have its own individual accountability. If its considered a sin, and I'm trying to warn it is the concern of the soul which when the body is finite the soul, consciousness is eternal. Trans person, even when you try to erase the outside the internal is hardwired including the dna, we cannot change the xx, and xy.

@PattyOflan88

8 ай бұрын

Jesus didn't hate? What about with the money lenders and the bull whip?

I wish I can understand what leads a man to this.

@josephstalingrad115

7 ай бұрын

Hormones 🤣

@atlantic_love

6 ай бұрын

I wish I could understand why you're so obsessed with what's in someone's pants or with what you THINK is the popular thing to cry about.

@rottengal

2 ай бұрын

if someone said this about gay men everyone would call it homophobia