The tunnel where people pay to inhale radioactive gas

In most of the world, inhaling radon for pain relief sounds like a bizarre idea. In some places, though, it's so accepted that it's prescribed by doctors and covered by health insurance. And I have no idea how to talk about it. Thanks to the team at the Radonstollen in Bad Kreuznach: you can find out more about them at acuradon.de
SOURCES:
The paper I reference in the video is "Radon Exposure-Therapeutic Effect and Cancer Risk" by Maier et al, doi.org/10.3390/ijms22010316 - it is, as far as I can tell, the most comprehensive analysis of all the studies so far, and I recommend reading not just the paper but also the extensive bibliography. As mentioned in the video, they claim no conflict of interest but some of the funding does ultimately come from the radon therapy industry.
There are a LOT of papers about this, and about radiation hormesis. A Google Scholar search will rapidly send you down a rabbit hole of "this seems like it works" papers, followed by "this study had a very small sample size" or "this study had flaws" meta-analysis. I am not qualified to analyse their quality and conflicts of interest, so in this case, departing from my usual policy, I'm leaving that exploration as an exercise for the reader!
Location camera: Moritz Janisch
Producer: Marcel Fenchel www.fenchel-janisch.com/
Editor for Bad Kreuznach footage: Isla McTear
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  • @TomScottGo
    @TomScottGo2 жыл бұрын

    No matter how I talk about this, someone will be angry at me: from skeptics who say that even this carefully-worded video is dangerous; to radon therapy advocates who'll be frustrated that I seem to be dismissing patients' testimonials. So to be crystal clear about my point in this video: my message is "This is a thing. It is interesting. We should study it more. If it works, it could help an enormous number of people. If it doesn't, we should probably stop doing it."

  • @OKobern

    @OKobern

    2 жыл бұрын

    i see

  • @pfade1

    @pfade1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @Carter_C727

    @Carter_C727

    2 жыл бұрын

    Two days ago?

  • @reorders9868

    @reorders9868

    2 жыл бұрын

    don't worry tom im not angry

  • @StrokeMahEgo

    @StrokeMahEgo

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Carter_C727 posted but not public

  • @0cellusDS
    @0cellusDS2 жыл бұрын

    So this is the only tunnel in the world that can switch from Radon to Radoff.

  • @jannepeltonen2036

    @jannepeltonen2036

    2 жыл бұрын

    That's rad.

  • @jks82

    @jks82

    2 жыл бұрын

    👏👏👏

  • @the_loud_one9883

    @the_loud_one9883

    2 жыл бұрын

    DANGIT you genius

  • @Alexoperplexo

    @Alexoperplexo

    2 жыл бұрын

    Radon 👏👏 Radoff 👏👏

  • @B3RyL

    @B3RyL

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think I just heard a giggle from Marie Sklodowska-Curie's grave.

  • @ValueNetwork
    @ValueNetwork2 жыл бұрын

    Tom Scott is literally the only person who can make a 10 minute video explaining why he can’t actually make the video he’s currently filming and have it seem in line with his existing content.

  • @DyslexicMitochondria

    @DyslexicMitochondria

    2 жыл бұрын

    Without a doubt haha

  • @wesss9353

    @wesss9353

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tom Scott is brilliant!

  • @KevinSmith-vr3mg

    @KevinSmith-vr3mg

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ha! Well put!

  • @fang_xianfu

    @fang_xianfu

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think the reason is the writing. Tom's videos have a very specific tone, a vibe you always get from them. The writing here nails the tone, even if the point it's making is inconclusive.

  • @Tupsuu

    @Tupsuu

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DyslexicMitochondria well hello there :)

  • @cancan-wq9un
    @cancan-wq9un2 жыл бұрын

    "I also have a duty to the truth: scientific, historical or personal." A great quote from captain Picard.

  • @explorer47422

    @explorer47422

    2 жыл бұрын

    This could be his Starfleet Academy application video! Totally deserves to wear that uniform ;)

  • @RockyRoader

    @RockyRoader

    2 жыл бұрын

    But Tom says *scientifical, historical or personal.

  • @PetrosofSparta

    @PetrosofSparta

    2 жыл бұрын

    I’m so glad someone else caught this!!

  • @quillaja

    @quillaja

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tom does wear a red shirt frequently.

  • @ConeJellos

    @ConeJellos

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think Picard would use an Oxford comma though.

  • @louburnett6782
    @louburnett67822 жыл бұрын

    After 25 years with chronic pain I would be absolutely willing to try this out. I am less afraid of radiation than some of the very addictive drugs that are currently prescribed. More research in chronic pain is needed across the board.

  • @lolly166541

    @lolly166541

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm sure that the pain medication that I've had to take over the last 15 Years have done more damage than that tunnel could EVER do to me.

  • @Thestuffnope

    @Thestuffnope

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@lolly166541 well, they could decide to pump in a level of radon thats way over safe levels. With a overwhelming amount of radon, you can die just from lack of oxygen.

  • @sirmickofnottingham8244

    @sirmickofnottingham8244

    2 жыл бұрын

    I completely agree, I have had chronic pain for 14 years and take loads of medication, if this reduced my pain levels I could live a much better quality of life - sometimes I can’t even get out of bed because of the pain, I have a wheelchair because I cannot stand for very long because of the pain - if this therapy worked it could save the NHS millions of pounds and make a massive difference to the lives of people with chronic pain. Could someone please fund a research programme in this facility please……

  • @substanzemusic3354

    @substanzemusic3354

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Thestuffnope well they could, but why would they though..?

  • @BaffledBelief

    @BaffledBelief

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Thestuffnope a rx could be messed up. A doctor could goof. You might be given something your unknowingly allergic to and so and so forth. 🤷

  • @oneofmanyjames-es1643
    @oneofmanyjames-es16432 жыл бұрын

    I'm increasingly convinced that Tom is surrounded by Germans at all times, offering to give interviews in their distinct regional accent

  • @Jehty21

    @Jehty21

    2 жыл бұрын

    Well, if you are in Germany it's somewhat normal to be surrounded by Germans.

  • @simonvetter2420

    @simonvetter2420

    2 жыл бұрын

    sis is correkt

  • @xMAC94x

    @xMAC94x

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@simonvetter2420 I sink that too

  • @Ramonatho

    @Ramonatho

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dis is true, yah

  • @man4437

    @man4437

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Jehty21 This warrants further study

  • @radagastwiz
    @radagastwiz2 жыл бұрын

    Me 2/3 of the way through: "Surely someone could double-blind this." Tom's conclusion: "Please, somebody, double-blind this."

  • @ben_1

    @ben_1

    2 жыл бұрын

    It'd be interesting to see a double-blind on this, but I think the biggest hurdle would be the owner of the tunnel. Such - let's say unproven - health practices often love to publish some self-funded study proving they work, but I doubt they'd take the risk of actually finding out that it's all just a placebo.

  • @carus6280

    @carus6280

    2 жыл бұрын

    It'd probably require someone to actively know if there was radon in there at that moment for safety reasons and to make sure the levels did not get too high. It'd probably still be possible to double blind it though.

  • @jackroutledge352

    @jackroutledge352

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@carus6280 Double-blinding is not an all-or-nothing thing. You can have one person know, as long as they have no interaction with the researchers or the patients. It's still not ideal, and could introduce some flaws, but it's better than the alternatives. In fact, Double-blinding is frequently not entirely successful, as patients often know whether or not they have taken the real intervention due to side effects.

  • @pattheplanter

    @pattheplanter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ragnkja Literally blindfold them?

  • @cezarcatalin1406

    @cezarcatalin1406

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ragnkja I think it would be enough to hide the identities of the people in the study until all the data is analysed. Then you peel back the labels and discover who is who and see if there are statistical differences.

  • @dairymold
    @dairymold2 жыл бұрын

    I live in Iowa, a state where not having a basement can be a death sentence during tornado season... and having a basement can be a possible death sentence for reasons related to radon.

  • @wody21

    @wody21

    Жыл бұрын

    Catch 22 it is :/

  • @KellyS_77

    @KellyS_77

    Жыл бұрын

    Radon mitigation exists. We had radon in our basement in Ohio, it's a simple fan system that takes the radon up through a pipe and out the roof of the house.

  • @revcanon5744

    @revcanon5744

    Жыл бұрын

    @@KellyS_77 youre lying ohions dont need basements to survive a tornado they scare the tornado away

  • @antoniozavaldski

    @antoniozavaldski

    Жыл бұрын

    One of them can kill you instantly, The other has a small chance of giving you cancer in a decade or two. I'd be more afraid of tornadoes.

  • @KanyeTheGayFish69

    @KanyeTheGayFish69

    Жыл бұрын

    I live in Nebraska and I don’t know anyone whose house was hit by a tornado

  • @RichardVSmall
    @RichardVSmall2 жыл бұрын

    I've been in constant pain for around 13 years now, been prescribed and struggled with opioid addiction and dependency for years, from which I am only recently recovering. To be honest I would try this, but I'm part of a vulnerable group who can fall victim to 'alternative medicine' scams, so I completely agree with this message.

  • @Vel_Plays_2.0

    @Vel_Plays_2.0

    Жыл бұрын

    R.J. Spina's book!

  • @michaelbaker7499
    @michaelbaker74992 жыл бұрын

    "More studies are needed" is not a weak answer, it's an honest answer. And, in the overwhelming majority of cases, it's true.

  • @Abhi-qm3jj

    @Abhi-qm3jj

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh skwksisisiisis Iaiaiak iOS game was fun and fun m the game and then you can do it it u was a good good time for me green day and then you got to go to play another what game you are u gonna is a time for me to come back and play ark

  • @ophiolatreia93

    @ophiolatreia93

    2 жыл бұрын

    Weak

  • @OfficialSuperMKG

    @OfficialSuperMKG

    2 жыл бұрын

    No it's not a week answer, it's not an honest answer either. It's a year answer.

  • @josh_final

    @josh_final

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not a week answer, it's a weak answer

  • @mjohnson2807

    @mjohnson2807

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're correct, it's a year answer

  • @ilikaplayhopscotch
    @ilikaplayhopscotch2 жыл бұрын

    Tom wouldn’t go to a random tunnel, it would always be a VERY specific tunnel.

  • @simonseis744

    @simonseis744

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's a radon tunnel, not a random tunnel.

  • @chiliman_Wasser

    @chiliman_Wasser

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@simonseis744 that was a joke y

  • @chiliman_Wasser

    @chiliman_Wasser

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@simonseis744 or was it 😂

  • @saxonjf

    @saxonjf

    2 жыл бұрын

    The odds of finding something fascinating by picking a tunnel randomly: very small. The odds of Tom making an interesting video with his ability to find fascinating topics, almost 100%.

  • @unvergebeneid

    @unvergebeneid

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@simonseis744 Thanks, I had no idea what the OP was talking about.

  • @morgantakach7106
    @morgantakach71062 жыл бұрын

    You’re one of the best video creators I’ve seen on KZread, especially when it comes to responsible stewardship of information. You’re carefully balancing bias and investigating both sides thoroughly. Anyone who criticizes this video wasn’t listening to what you were saying throughout, which makes it abundantly clear that you’re simply providing this as a point of fascination and an area of future study, not as an endorsement.

  • @Leock
    @Leock2 жыл бұрын

    This is interesting considering where I work for at least three days of the week I absorb 10,000Bq for 4hr a day. The only mental or physical change even when I was going through pain with a dislocating shoulder was Radon just made me more tired and exhausted after work. We've had builders come into the cavern to build a bar and they told us it was taking a few days more than usual projects that size as everyone just feels exhausted. Radon is such a fascinating mystery for now.

  • @UnordEntertainment

    @UnordEntertainment

    2 жыл бұрын

    maybe because too much exposure means the body needs to repair itself more than it usually would need to, thus taking up more energy/resources thus making you feel tired?

  • @TsarofTrolling

    @TsarofTrolling

    Жыл бұрын

    @@UnordEntertainment Or it's just because there is less oxygen

  • @Romanticoutlaw
    @Romanticoutlaw2 жыл бұрын

    this was supposed to be a video about radon therapy, but it's actually a video about thorough, thoughtful, and responsible research. Well done as always, tom

  • @supersmellslikefeet

    @supersmellslikefeet

    2 жыл бұрын

    applies to every video

  • @Solvation55

    @Solvation55

    2 жыл бұрын

    says squid game

  • @Rose-ec6he

    @Rose-ec6he

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tom really is a fantastic responsible journalist

  • @tyrstone3539

    @tyrstone3539

    2 жыл бұрын

    Squid gsme

  • @fraidarahbaran6076

    @fraidarahbaran6076

    2 жыл бұрын

    +

  • @aristoth
    @aristoth2 жыл бұрын

    I misread it as "random tunnel" and was sure Tom had finally visited every noteworthy place

  • @prismaticc_abyss

    @prismaticc_abyss

    2 жыл бұрын

    "This Tunnel in the middle of germany doesnt seem That interesting, because its not"

  • @philvanderlaan5942

    @philvanderlaan5942

    2 жыл бұрын

    ‘ F-it I don’t really care this week , but I need to put out a video , so here is this tunnel I just happened to be near .’ Is that what you were thinking? Aristoth ?

  • @Chaosrunepownage
    @Chaosrunepownage2 жыл бұрын

    Radon is a huge problem in my area, so it's interesting to see someone using it as alternative medicine. People are very scared since it's completely random and very localized issue, like in a city block you can have one house with radon and another completely clear.

  • @cubertmiso4140

    @cubertmiso4140

    Ай бұрын

    Same. Easy to measure, easy to sell things that lessens the real or perceived problem. Probably truth is something in-between depending on the illness. Like Metal-illness Vs. Cancer.

  • @choco2689
    @choco26892 жыл бұрын

    As a health researcher and skeptical scientist, my biggest concern here is - if this therapy truly works (and to a meaningful degree), why has the private company, who stand to make enormous profits if the therapy is effective, not funded that completely feasible study. My guess is that their internal data indicates pursuing such a study would not be worth the risk.

  • @RALL123456

    @RALL123456

    2 жыл бұрын

    Would the study, if done correctly, be a very expensive affair? I imagine it is kind of of an awkward thing to pitch to investors haha. Also considering all the radiation therapeutics quackery going around since the discovery .. you can buy all kind of radiactive gadgets like bracelets online, with bold claims, yet it is just plastic with radium i suppose. Why would radiation from radon be unique? I am concerned too but Tom says the definitive study has not been done yet.

  • @ZZ-os4nb

    @ZZ-os4nb

    Жыл бұрын

    You're 100% correct. It could effectively end their entire business. From their perspective, they are in the business of pain relief. The guy in the video that runs it even says they are nothing more and nothing less. If their patients are reporting they are experiencing relief whether it's placebo or not, the clinic has much more to potentially lose than what they could gain from doing the study. It just would be a terrible idea to do the study from a business stand point. Even if it's inconclusive or mixed on it's conclusions, even that could really hurt their bottom line.

  • @kickassnetwork

    @kickassnetwork

    Жыл бұрын

    I'll add that, the private company doesn't actually stand to make enormous profits. It's not like you can patent exposure to radon a naturally occurring gas, nor is having a fan and air duct system patentable. If they do pay for the study, there's no way to prevent competitors from taking the benefits but not the cost. They already have customers and approval from health insurance. I'm not sure how much more profit they can stand to gain, and the real risk of being edged out of your own market once you foot the bill.

  • @designSenji

    @designSenji

    Жыл бұрын

    I guess not only this, besides research itself, there probably would be needed high cost marketing campaign, because let's be honest a lot of people afraid of radiation.

  • @nashooo5903

    @nashooo5903

    Жыл бұрын

    To make the therapy widely accepted they would need not only to prove it really works, but also that the pros outweight the cons, including possible long lasting effects. It would be hella expensive and last years, and as others say, there's no incentive for them to do so, since their customers are okay with the current uncertainty.

  • @StrokeMahEgo
    @StrokeMahEgo2 жыл бұрын

    Tom's mention and due care of his duty to the truth, scientific, historical, or personal, makes him worthy to wear a Starfleet uniform.

  • @hoej

    @hoej

    2 жыл бұрын

    A shame his shirt is red.

  • @QemeH

    @QemeH

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hoej Should totally be teal, I agree.

  • @Jajo3998

    @Jajo3998

    2 жыл бұрын

    Captain Picard would be so proud of him...

  • @jb76489

    @jb76489

    2 жыл бұрын

    Are you capable of processing the real world without using fiction? If not you should work on that

  • @Freexnme

    @Freexnme

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@jb76489 Apparently you’re not capable of understanding humor. You should probably work on that.

  • @JeffRAllenCH
    @JeffRAllenCH2 жыл бұрын

    This looks to me like a giant, well managed, and highly effective placebo machine. Good on 'em: stopping chronic pain is worthwhile. But, please, run the study.

  • @davidc8676

    @davidc8676

    2 жыл бұрын

    It could be, it might not be. Radiation is used in other real medical practices, particularly in killing cancer. "Damage" therapy is used all over the medical world, usually as a way to cause the body to initiate repairs on itself. For example, there's dermal needling (causing damage to make skin repair itself), or applying certain strong acids to wounds to provoke an immune response (like treating the wound left by removing HPV/warts). Obviously, could be a placebo machine, but it's not totally outlandish, in my mind. Obviously, Tom Scott has pointed out a very good study to perform. Either outcome would be a net positive for the medical community, as both discovering what works and what doesn't work is always helpful.

  • @OytheGreat

    @OytheGreat

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, to me too. Welcome to phase I for us both, I suppose, as Tom said! Just because we're convinced we are sceptic and scientific, doesn't mean this is some bogus. Always remain open for new ideas.

  • @janlim0916

    @janlim0916

    Жыл бұрын

    This particular company probably wont, since the risk of the results would make them either with no money(If proven it doesn't really do anthing) or they would have more competitors (if proven it really works) 🤣

  • @pijedinp
    @pijedinp2 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE how you present all your videos. You really dig into things and have a great way of presenting fascinating tic bits. Yet you remain balanced and you really get your viewers into your thought process. Keep up the good work!

  • @webratjen
    @webratjen2 жыл бұрын

    'More studies are required' is not a weak ending. It is a valid, and open, and genuine ending. It is the reason I subscribe. I value your words Tom Scott. To me you have integrity.

  • @flexo3333

    @flexo3333

    2 жыл бұрын

    ...such a rarity these days. Isn't it definitely so, and who suspects it could be else is wrong...?

  • @ValleysOfRain

    @ValleysOfRain

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's one of those things like where saying "I don't know" is weakness. Or "I don't have enough information to make a judgement" isn't considered a valid answer. It's daft.

  • @hypnotoad28

    @hypnotoad28

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ValleysOfRain I've noticed that more and more people are becoming unwilling to say that they "don't know".

  • @spacemanx9595

    @spacemanx9595

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@hypnotoad28 are they old boomers??

  • @seeriktus

    @seeriktus

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's true, but it's also a cop out. You could equally give a paragraph of what kind of studies are required, what kind of things they should be looking at, methods, and what knowledge gaps we presently have from existing studies. Ask yourself if you were to do more studies yourself, what would you do in these studies?

  • @tillson8686
    @tillson86862 жыл бұрын

    If you combine all of Tom's videos into one you can witness him cross the UK in a straight line twice

  • @morismateljan6458

    @morismateljan6458

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey, he's Tom Scott, not Tom Davies :-)

  • @marrioman13

    @marrioman13

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd bet he's walking along a leyline too!

  • @oliveleaf7376

    @oliveleaf7376

    2 жыл бұрын

    in which direction?

  • @antoncollett4402

    @antoncollett4402

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@morismateljan6458 this is an elite reference

  • @SuperRedtrout

    @SuperRedtrout

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@antoncollett4402 Get in!

  • @barrotem5627
    @barrotem56272 жыл бұрын

    This video was so professional. As always, Tom doesn't let you down and provides the best quality videos out there. *Thank you for this.* Happy to be subscribed 👍🏻

  • @Abrikosmanden
    @Abrikosmanden2 жыл бұрын

    Very good coverage of this topic! It does sound interesting. I think it's worth mentioning that homeopathy is a huge market in Germany! They're not exactly immune to quackery, even though this particular treatment seems somewhat tightly regulated.

  • @ToonamiT0M
    @ToonamiT0M2 жыл бұрын

    "More studies are required" is always an acceptable conclusion to come to.

  • @iAmTheSquidThing

    @iAmTheSquidThing

    2 жыл бұрын

    Usually. Except when you have limited time to make a decision. Like we probably don't need to do any more studies into whether parachutes work.

  • @symawi312

    @symawi312

    2 жыл бұрын

    @UCl-q0oZW9kz-iHwCexVBNxg It's always an acceptable conclusion, you cannot force clear outcomes so sometimes it simply is the case that more studies are required. Of course it can be a WRONG conclusion if it's not actually true that more studies are required, but situations where it is the case do exist and in those situation it's totally acceptable.

  • @flyingpanhandle

    @flyingpanhandle

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@UCl-q0oZW9kz-iHwCexVBNxg Depends are you suggesting parachutes always work in all scenarios? Because we know they aren't 100% successful otherwise we wouldn't run with backups. More studies are required is always a valid conclusion.

  • @paxwort

    @paxwort

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@iAmTheSquidThing "each subject was given either a parachute or a placebo"

  • @rory6987

    @rory6987

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@symawi312 well now I have no choice but to be a pedant, since you said "always". I think it's objectively wrong to say we need more studies about the cause of climate change before focusing on lowering greenhouse gas emissions

  • @MH_Binky
    @MH_Binky2 жыл бұрын

    "More studies are required" isn't a weak ending, it's a sequel hook.

  • @Al69BfR

    @Al69BfR

    2 жыл бұрын

    And a scream for more funding. 😉

  • @Tobi-vw5dq
    @Tobi-vw5dq2 жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love the way you presented this topic and the video-style! It's such a nice contrast to the common "there are only two sides" approach that seems to have become the new normal nowadays. I think every journalist (or everyone who outputs content on social media) should learn a lot from that video.

  • @tasty8186
    @tasty81862 жыл бұрын

    Not any more in this video than any of his others, but watching this distinctly had me feeling thankful that Tom Scott puts so much content out into the internet for us. You're an absolute top shelf product, Mr Scott - You deserve far more than your current sub count

  • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721
    @vigilantcosmicpenguin87212 жыл бұрын

    The videos where Tom goes to a place and digresses into talking about the meta-story of the story he's telling about the place are some of my favorites. This is right up there with "Why You Can't Trust Me" and "The Moire Effect that Guides Ships Home."

  • @Wolfeur

    @Wolfeur

    2 жыл бұрын

    My favourite is "A Town Called Asbestos"

  • @elfinvale

    @elfinvale

    2 жыл бұрын

    i now have to go find all those types of videos - i love all of them too. seeing others' creative processes is both fascinating and also helps my own processes ^_^

  • @K3end0

    @K3end0

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@elfinvale I know right? seeing the intended final product is obviously entertaining, but getting to see what its like trying to *get* there is just as tool.

  • @conorcrowley6256
    @conorcrowley62562 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating to think this video could either be an early demonstration of some really revolutionary process or essentially a footnote for a wrong path in medicine.

  • @somekek6734

    @somekek6734

    2 жыл бұрын

    I thougt the exact same

  • @curbyourshi1056

    @curbyourshi1056

    2 жыл бұрын

    If the total exposure is less than a full body CT, of which I've had several, I'd say the major damage done to the person using this therapy is in their wallet.

  • @curbyourshi1056

    @curbyourshi1056

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ragnkja Exactly.

  • @natepelham9028
    @natepelham90282 жыл бұрын

    I've said this before I think, but I love your content. It doesn't even matter what the video is about. The way that you describe and explain things is so informative, and as unbiased as I could expect from anyone. Thank you so much for doing what you do the way you do it

  • @connorvanzant594
    @connorvanzant594 Жыл бұрын

    doesn't matter what the subject is im watching it tom. your an amazing speaker, your edits and lack of with your continous shots never cease to amaze me and your enthusiasm is contagious. keep it up

  • @DMLand
    @DMLand2 жыл бұрын

    For many subjects-this one included-the only honest answer is, "we simply don't know, but we have an idea of how to find out." That's not weak, that's science. In an era where confident idiots hold sway over public opinion, I welcome your acknowledgement that "further study is needed."

  • @huntermosely7420

    @huntermosely7420

    2 жыл бұрын

    Took the words out of my mouth

  • @LuLeBe

    @LuLeBe

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, but we also shouldn't sell this to people as a "potential treatment". There is no remote proof that this does any good. So while I agree that neither outright dismissal nor approval is warranted, selling this to sick people with no other hope really comes close to saying "this will help". Instead they should use their tunnel for research.

  • @0Ciju0

    @0Ciju0

    Жыл бұрын

    Having "an idea how to find out" is MASSIVE.

  • @morzinbo

    @morzinbo

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LuLeBe we've been doing that for years with everything else. not sure why this is your problem.

  • @FalconWindblader

    @FalconWindblader

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LuLeBe At certain points in medical research, you just CAN'T have conclusive evidence of whether something can actually work, until you test that something on the intended target, which in this case, people with chronic pain. Further research is needed, & further research in this case, is careful testing on willing participants.

  • @keitheilish7983
    @keitheilish79832 жыл бұрын

    Of course they didn’t find Mercury in that tunnel, it’s a planet.

  • @cezarcatalin1406

    @cezarcatalin1406

    2 жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @ABC-vv4cm

    @ABC-vv4cm

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

    @vigilantcosmicpenguin8721

    2 жыл бұрын

    If they're looking for Mercury, he's probably going to be on Mount Olympus.

  • @auburnsmith5610

    @auburnsmith5610

    2 жыл бұрын

    mercury no fit in tunnel

  • @gubx42

    @gubx42

    2 жыл бұрын

    There is earth in that tunnel, so why not Mercury?

  • @sicariusaf
    @sicariusaf2 жыл бұрын

    As someone who is suffering from chronic pain this is incredibly tempting to me. I just worry about A: the price and B: whether my specific type of chronic pain is the type they claim to treat

  • @cubertmiso4140

    @cubertmiso4140

    Ай бұрын

    If you could, maybe move to a house where there are plenty of radon? Could be cheaper than old one and pocket the rest. I don't know just thinking out loud.

  • @Artemis19925
    @Artemis19925 Жыл бұрын

    This is so brilliantly put across. Your presentation style is so professional, and the research well discussed. And that conclusion at the end felt almost like a BBC documentary. Really enjoyed that.

  • @benthemaker
    @benthemaker2 жыл бұрын

    Who would have thought? A socially responsible youtuber with a massive following using his platform to inspire researchers. Kudos, Tom.

  • @MedlifeCrisis
    @MedlifeCrisis2 жыл бұрын

    Superb and balanced video as always, better than many doctors’ analyses of similar ‘therapies’. But just because the Germans are less bombastic than Americans in their claims about what can be achieved, this is unproven and more likely to be quackery than not. As Tom pointed out the potential exists to genuinely test this, yet with so many things, the motivation rarely comes from within the alternative medicine community. Let’s hope the video helps.

  • @nonchip

    @nonchip

    2 жыл бұрын

    also, let's be honest, if the alternative medicine community (or even the company running that place) were the ones to do or pay for the test, could we believe the results? ;)

  • @kevinkramer4310

    @kevinkramer4310

    2 жыл бұрын

    @El Dimos Karam Interesting theory, but do not underestimate the heaps of culturally shared remedies and medicines of which we have yet to harness the power by applying modern science methods and technology.

  • @pattheplanter

    @pattheplanter

    2 жыл бұрын

    Xenon is, apparently, much more -fun- therapeutic. Surprisingly similar effects to laughing gas. Perhaps radon has similar properties unrelated to the radioactivity. What a shame there are no really stable isotopes for comparison.

  • @1Hippo

    @1Hippo

    2 жыл бұрын

    Even if the study is done by a University team and they pay for the location, the tunnel operators would have such a strong interest to get a positive result. A official confirmation that it works would surely boost the business, otherwise they might go out of business or even get their license revoked. I am sure they would try to botch the results somehow...

  • @goldenghostinc

    @goldenghostinc

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@1Hippo easily solved by having the university team replace the normal operators. Didn't sound to complecated to turn the flow on or off for a certain pipe.

  • @martixbg
    @martixbg2 жыл бұрын

    You approached this video in a clear and concise manner, with the right amount of scepticism and disclaimers. Hope we get a double-blind study about this, it's fascinating.

  • @tonylockhart1963
    @tonylockhart19632 жыл бұрын

    Such a well balanced presentation, as ever. Thank you, Tom, and please keep up this work 👍

  • @janaepting8940
    @janaepting89402 жыл бұрын

    I think an important thing to mention when telling people that there are doctors and health care companies in Germany who are endorsing this is that alternative medicine is quite big here. Most health care providers pay for at least some homeopathic treatments. I just got the feeling that the CEO implied that this would be extremely difficult in Germany because we are known as a rule loving nation.

  • @Michiel5234

    @Michiel5234

    2 жыл бұрын

    Indeed. Because of the placebo-effect, homeopathic treatments can really help people who believe in it. That's why health care insurance covers it.

  • @NikolausUndRupprecht

    @NikolausUndRupprecht

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree. German health insurances pays for homeopathy, so why shouldn’t they pay for some bogus radon therapy? It is time that German health insurances stop this nonsense.

  • @AndorianBlues

    @AndorianBlues

    2 жыл бұрын

    Is this also the cause of the low covid vaccine rates in German speaking countries?

  • @isaacressler8177

    @isaacressler8177

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NikolausUndRupprecht I think there's a difference between homeopathy (not actively harmful) and radon therapy (potentially harmful).

  • @1121494

    @1121494

    2 жыл бұрын

    I actually tried shopping around for a healthcare provider that would exclude all completely unproven alternative medicine back on public healthcare when getting my own. When I eventually changed to private providers recently, I didn't even bother with that, just far too disillusioned from the prior search. They always fund some unproven alternative treatments and almost all even fund homeopathy.

  • @corey1845
    @corey18452 жыл бұрын

    Your approach to releasing information is an absolute top notch example of how it should be treated.

  • @wozza0013
    @wozza00132 жыл бұрын

    While treading a very precarious line , i think you did a great job ! And their is certainly my tests needed for chronic pain having lived with it now for 25 years !

  • @juliannewood4204
    @juliannewood42042 жыл бұрын

    This very well presented! You did a great job making your intentions clear and giving concise information. This is a fascinating subject and I hope you will follow up when necessary!

  • @jonasdatlas4668
    @jonasdatlas46682 жыл бұрын

    I sort of preferred the original title, “I don’t know how to talk about this radon tunnel“. The difficulty of talking about this sort of thing feels like a core part of this video, almost equally as the actual subject itself.

  • @ann1ka_

    @ann1ka_

    2 жыл бұрын

    i agree

  • @MohidPvE

    @MohidPvE

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey what’s your profile picture ?

  • @notyourjakey

    @notyourjakey

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MohidPvE it's the bisexual flag

  • @anotherdropintheocean5672

    @anotherdropintheocean5672

    2 жыл бұрын

    The audience agrees that you are one of the best things

  • @sonicfirefreak

    @sonicfirefreak

    2 жыл бұрын

    While that title is a better description, youtuber's have to cater and switch out their titles and thumbnails to what gets the most views. Without sacrificing the quality of their content, they can package the video with as much clickbait as they want. See Veritaseum explaining different youtube thumbnails. The goal is to get more people see it.

  • @DoctorX17
    @DoctorX172 жыл бұрын

    I think you had a healthy dose of skepticism with this. As someone who is eternally in pain, I'd like to see this studied further, but as a skeptical person, I ain't goin' in no radioactive tunnel without proof

  • @gavxps1

    @gavxps1

    2 жыл бұрын

    Do not expose yourself to radiation, risk addiction to codeine.

  • @dog-ez2nu

    @dog-ez2nu

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@gavxps1 Living causes cancer. Nowhere is safe.

  • @ShabeerSniper

    @ShabeerSniper

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@dog-ez2nu less than 5% chance in a humans prime

  • @transbiologistthetransesto7956

    @transbiologistthetransesto7956

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@ShabeerSniper 5% chance is way higher than I'd like for it to be. How likely would you want it to be for one of your loved ones to slowly suffer to death?

  • @jimmymifsud1

    @jimmymifsud1

    2 жыл бұрын

    I believe one of the reasons Scott allowed this video to air, was the low risk when being exposed; it’s less than going for an international flight

  • @jared9190
    @jared9190 Жыл бұрын

    What an interesting video, I must applaud how responsibly you conveyed all this information!

  • @Cornishdemon
    @Cornishdemon2 жыл бұрын

    Truth be told, i watch your video's for the information you deliver and charisma, the subject matter its self doesnt matter aslong its informative, Keep them coming, between you and Jay Foreman, your both 2 of my most watched channels and will be for a very long time i hope.

  • @MrNotamage
    @MrNotamage2 жыл бұрын

    This was about as responsibly as you could possibly handle this topic Tom. Very brave of you to put this video out and I applaud you for it. Hearing the claims I am much like yourself and very skeptical, but this is one of those things where there's just enough testimonial from patients that we really do need to have a definitive study done to evaluate whether the effects are entirely placebo, or there's something new we have to learn about radiation.

  • @DannySullivanMusic

    @DannySullivanMusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    spot on. precisely right

  • @brianhaygood183

    @brianhaygood183

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep. Exactly. I'd probably benefit tremendously from ten one hour treatments of sitting in a quiet spot in a nice inviting space. Shouldn't be hard to do a controlled trial since people can't detect Radon at all.

  • @seraphina985

    @seraphina985

    2 жыл бұрын

    Indeed, while the plural of anecdote is not evidence where an apparent pattern of observations suggest there is a there to go that is sufficient to justify entertaining seeking out, formalising and testing credible hypothesizes that could explain the apparent existence of said pattern.

  • @RoxyStellar

    @RoxyStellar

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@brianhaygood183 maybe not you , bet some peep's can tho

  • @alphagt62

    @alphagt62

    2 жыл бұрын

    Where I live in the US, any home that measures any radon at all is condemned! Radiation is a known source of cancer, I just can’t imagine how it could ever be good for you? Uranium miners out west died by the hundreds from working in uranium mines back in the 50’s. Whole towns are condemned, fenced off from the public. But, if these people think it’s helping them, who am I to argue?

  • @heckingbamboozled8097
    @heckingbamboozled80972 жыл бұрын

    Tom, this was a very responsible way to tackle an experimental treatment like this. Thank you for being the gold standard of how to research and discuss things like this on KZread. It's a breath of fresh air, especially with all the drama surrounding Veritasium as of late.

  • @LorenzJahn

    @LorenzJahn

    2 жыл бұрын

    What drama are you referring to?

  • @mibadada

    @mibadada

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would also like to know!

  • @inatinybox7210

    @inatinybox7210

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@LorenzJahn Tom Nicholas' latest video covers it

  • @inatinybox7210

    @inatinybox7210

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@mibadada Veritasium took money to talk about self driving cars in an unethical way

  • @17xyz17

    @17xyz17

    2 жыл бұрын

    "a breath of fresh air" how appropriate 😂 (sorry for pointing out the terrible pun)

  • @BreninyGeifr
    @BreninyGeifr2 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. Really enjoyed this. I like the hypothesis: it's very appealing in its simplicity, but we know how rarely the simple hypotheses are borne out in fact. As you say, more studies are needed

  • @kylek6922
    @kylek69222 жыл бұрын

    This is super fascinating, and I would love to see that study too Tom. Keep up the excellent videos!

  • @LePezzy66
    @LePezzy662 жыл бұрын

    Chronic pain is such an overlooked, invisible illness. My heart goes out to those people. I really hope the necissary studies will get the funding soon. Great video!

  • @DrakeOola

    @DrakeOola

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's not overlooked, it's just broad as hell and can be caused by a million different things. Chronic pain is more of a symptom than a condition and we definitely research ways to deal with each underlying cause...

  • @abetteryoutubehandle

    @abetteryoutubehandle

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DrakeOola Sometimes the underlying cause cannot be cured, and so we must find ways to alleviate the symptoms instead.

  • @DrakeOola

    @DrakeOola

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@abetteryoutubehandle Why do you think weed was legalized? They have hundreds of general purpose pain killers and are researching millions more. Even Tylenol and Advil count as general purpose pain killers as well as stronger stuff like oxy or morphine. Yall speak like one of the biggest ailments worldwide just goes completely ignored by medical professionals... 🤦‍♂️

  • @Abcdefg25152

    @Abcdefg25152

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DrakeOola 👍🏻

  • @Siegmernes

    @Siegmernes

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have super minor chronic pain and it already screws with so many parts of my life. I can't imagine what having hard chronic pain is like.

  • @crumbs7826
    @crumbs78262 жыл бұрын

    Looks like Tom is talking about some kind of tunnel Rn.

  • @erich.5326

    @erich.5326

    2 жыл бұрын

    Ha!

  • @swaree

    @swaree

    2 жыл бұрын

    hats off

  • @bobsquashv2742

    @bobsquashv2742

    2 жыл бұрын

    Fair play

  • @Snivy_Films

    @Snivy_Films

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nice one

  • @Milamberinx

    @Milamberinx

    2 жыл бұрын

    👏👏👏 🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @bricksoups
    @bricksoups2 жыл бұрын

    I come to your channel to learn, and to find out things that are interesting and not something I’d otherwise have the chance to learn; I, and probably most other viewers, don’t come to this channel to be given an opinion on something. ‘More studies are needed’ is valid. I’d never heard of this, and having an unbiased view of different sides of an argument is still part of learning. This was a really cool video even if you couldn’t, or didn’t want to, form a definitive argument.

  • @gavinthomas214
    @gavinthomas2142 жыл бұрын

    Another intriguing and thought provoking video. I really appreciate the time and consideration you put into your work. Thank you.

  • @steckelton717
    @steckelton7172 жыл бұрын

    In Germany, my state founded Helath insurance is still funding Homeopathy, but not a ongoing physiotherapy for a back problem I was diagnosed at and have struggled with since birth. So, as Tom rightfully pointed out in this great video, what they pay for does not tell you anything about if it works. It's just ist not as expensive for them as something that actually works.

  • @FetusK1cker

    @FetusK1cker

    2 жыл бұрын

    Skoliose?

  • @Schrauberella

    @Schrauberella

    2 жыл бұрын

    This. Same for hearing aids or glasses. Yiu can't even avoid loss of hearing or your eyes getting bad... Its ridiculous!

  • @ErikUden

    @ErikUden

    2 жыл бұрын

    Damn. Which state? This is dumb.

  • @numberpirate

    @numberpirate

    2 жыл бұрын

    Homeopathy is from Germany, and imagine the national embarrassment that would occur if Germany actually admitted to the quackery?

  • @crazydragy4233

    @crazydragy4233

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@numberpirate Thinking like this is a big part of the problem. You're pushing people to double down.

  • @harbl99
    @harbl992 жыл бұрын

    "How bad would you describe the pain as being?" "Well, breathing radioactive gas makes it more bearable." "..."

  • @benrampling812

    @benrampling812

    2 жыл бұрын

    There's drug seeking behavior then there's radioisotope seeking behaviour. Considerably more worrying if taking place in a marvel comic 😂

  • @mastermaltese8731

    @mastermaltese8731

    2 жыл бұрын

    Same energy as: "Let me go outside and smoke a cigarette for some fresh air, I'm losing my breath in here. Be back soon. " Believe me, I've heard that.

  • @jakegrist8487
    @jakegrist8487 Жыл бұрын

    So I made my rant about lead and Radon half-life. Now I must simply say this was an excellent video, Tom. I'm always impressed with how you can articulate so much in such a casual manner, and visit many engaging considerations of a conversation. Well done.

  • @wannabee69
    @wannabee692 жыл бұрын

    Eager to see what this leads to. Excellent use of your platform!

  • @SeanHodgins
    @SeanHodgins2 жыл бұрын

    I recently setup a radon detector in my basement since it is partially unfinished and exposed to bare ground. We're also in an area considered to be in a "high chance" of radon. Happy to report that the levels are low and considered safe.

  • @zwenkwiel816

    @zwenkwiel816

    2 жыл бұрын

    hey maybe you can even charge some Germans to spend time in your basement XD

  • @cybervigilante

    @cybervigilante

    2 жыл бұрын

    Now you know you can lay on the basement floor to get cured of rickets 😀

  • @lokibek

    @lokibek

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow please tell us more 😐

  • @EnraEnerato

    @EnraEnerato

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are research teams out there looking into such data, you could try to get in touch with them, as I understand it, these data sets are hard to come by and Radon builds up over longer periods of time without air exchange.

  • @Thawhid

    @Thawhid

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@zwenkwiel816 lmao

  • @mermeridian2041
    @mermeridian20412 жыл бұрын

    I think you handled this issue well. You do have "duty of care" to ensure that you present facts, as many facts as possible, but only the available facts to your audience, and you did that. Good job!

  • @thomasfevre9515

    @thomasfevre9515

    2 жыл бұрын

    Or, in this case, the absence of clearly established facts.

  • @DannySullivanMusic

    @DannySullivanMusic

    2 жыл бұрын

    this is _100%_ true dude

  • @thomasfevre9515

    @thomasfevre9515

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@DannySullivanMusic depends on what you mean by true. I trust Tom that this is not a fabricated story and i would even believe that people with actual chronic pains have been cured this way. In no way does it mean that the proposed mecanism behind this treatment is the one proposed. You might say "whatever, as long as it works". Except evidence based medicine only works with replicable results that can then be used to treat more patients. If the results are only due to placebo effect and not the radon, wouldn't it be better to not expose the patient to radiation, even in small doses?

  • @Documentally
    @Documentally2 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Tom. This might well be my new favourite video of yours. I always love your attention to detail and your ability to explain complicated ideas to any mind. But your consideration for the ethics of what, why and when information should be shared really shines in this video above all others. I wish the whole of KZread could pay the same attention to these kinds of details. You are the healthy bit of a platform riddled with dodgy algorithms and dark patterns. Keep up the great work!

  • @Odima16
    @Odima162 жыл бұрын

    It's rare to see KZread videos with nuance. I appreciate it every time. Thank you :)

  • @AI.Overlord.X

    @AI.Overlord.X

    7 күн бұрын

    It's rare that you have seen KZread videos with nuance * Fixed that for you. 3.7 million videos get uploaded here daily on average. 270,000+ hours of content every single day. Videos have nuance. You just haven't watched those.

  • @manuelredgrave8348
    @manuelredgrave83482 жыл бұрын

    I read the title as Random Tunnel, clicked for silver and struck gold

  • @silentdrew7636

    @silentdrew7636

    2 жыл бұрын

    Most of us did.

  • @HappyBeezerStudios

    @HappyBeezerStudios

    2 жыл бұрын

    To be fair, it is quite the random tunnel, only that it is a very specific random tunnel.

  • @nigeltaylor72
    @nigeltaylor722 жыл бұрын

    That you've conceived of a way to conduct a double blind test of this is the real headline here. As I was watching this video, I was thinking that there must be some element of relaxation therapy here. Sitting in those reclining chairs and quietly meditating in a cave would surely relax muscles and allow the participants to leave their stressful lives behind for a bit which is likely beneficial for pain relief. Even as a skeptic, I was enviously thinking how nice that would be to just sit there in contemplation. Your proposed trial would be able to keep all of those factors the same and change only the actual exposure to the gas. I'd be interested to see the results of such a trial. Whether you intended it or not, the challenge has been set.

  • @MisterNohbdy

    @MisterNohbdy

    2 жыл бұрын

    Relaxation therapy would presumably produce at least some immediate results, though; they're clear here that it takes weeks for benefits to show. I don't think that's a major factor. (Although it's fairly easily falsifiable either way: just get rid of the chairs for a few months.)

  • @JustAGooseman

    @JustAGooseman

    2 жыл бұрын

    This feels sort of similar to sweat lodges just not as intense tbh

  • @RobinTheBot

    @RobinTheBot

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MisterNohbdy Relaxing is a cumulative benifit. It could take weeks for significant results.

  • @achim8239

    @achim8239

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@RobinTheBot And the guy at 4:42 said "it helped, it worked". I would endorse the help (some kind of placebo effect), but not the work...

  • @kcbsuiejd

    @kcbsuiejd

    2 жыл бұрын

    From what Ive gathered, a lot of inflamation pain in people can be treated by applying heat. because of that, carefully measured doses of some radioactive stuff could theoretically help with things like Rheumatoid arthrosis if placed in/near the joints simply because the radiation keeps them warm I have no idea weather or not these gasses are usable for that.

  • @PieFlavouredPii
    @PieFlavouredPii2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the care in this video Tom. As someone with Chronic pain, I'm ngl I'd be willing to give this a go if it helped others down the line. Also you know, could stop the pain for a lil bit.

  • @kentslocum
    @kentslocum4 ай бұрын

    Tom Scott has a way of making something that I never knew or cared about suddenly feel incredibly important.

  • @gerryjamesedwards1227
    @gerryjamesedwards12272 жыл бұрын

    Speaking as someone with chronic pain, I would love to see a study on this. I've given up on travelling anywhere, as it is so hard to get over the after-effects of the travel - even a car engine's vibration is torture, but I'd consider it if there was actually the possibility of an improvement. When the only other options are carrying on with large amounts of opiates and other meds, being put into a coma with ketamine or inhaling radioactive gas, the gas doesn't seem too bad.

  • @joseph-medicis

    @joseph-medicis

    2 жыл бұрын

    How do the vibrations of the car hurt you?

  • @Mungstein

    @Mungstein

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can recommend a book called The Mind Body Prescription and also The Divided Mind, both by Dr John Sarno. I used to have chronic pain myself and was almost suicidal at one point as it was so unbearable. After reading those books and following the self help guides (fairly simple stuff, no cost involved) I got rid of the pain. I still have the occasional flare up but nothing like as bad as it used to be. I hope you are able to recover. All the best.

  • @Timsturbs

    @Timsturbs

    2 жыл бұрын

    well test it and tell us if it worked

  • @mrreisskeks3441

    @mrreisskeks3441

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@joseph-medicis for patients with chronic pain the vibration of a car engine can feel like being violently shaken around would feel like for a healthy person.

  • @daviddavidson2357

    @daviddavidson2357

    2 жыл бұрын

    You can always test it. Last time I checked you could buy uranium ore online. Or buy an X-ray tube and administer ionising ratiation that way. Provided that it's the radiation and not a specific property of radon itself. Noble gasses seem to have some interesting neurological effects, particularly Xenon which is an anaesthetic gas, like nitrous oxide but much more potent (and much, much more expensive), Helium causes narcosis (apparently) at high pressures and definitely causes high pressure nervous syndrome. Obviously to breathe helium at such high pressures you either need to be in a hyperbaric chamber breathing heliox or under a few hundred metrers of water. If Radon is bioaccumulative to an extent it might work similarly to xenon but over a longer time period and not many people are going to volunteer to breathe a mixture of 79% Rn and 21%O2 just to see if it causes analgesia. You could test it on rats however.

  • @cerjmedia
    @cerjmedia2 жыл бұрын

    it feels like this guy is literally one of the most reliable sources on KZread full stop

  • @BeaudoinEric
    @BeaudoinEric2 жыл бұрын

    That was so informative and I think you provided some excellent insight. Another great video, Tom.

  • @joseph10097
    @joseph100972 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video and amazing work as always Tom.

  • @AA_21861
    @AA_218612 жыл бұрын

    Am becoming a bigger and bigger fan of how Tom presents his content. Such fantastic nuance and balance without shifting into some no man's land of "both sides are important". PS - Plus points for the Star Trek reference. That Picard quote is one of my favourites.

  • @Poppamunz

    @Poppamunz

    2 жыл бұрын

    What was the quote? I didn't notice it

  • @jedite8395

    @jedite8395

    2 жыл бұрын

    Dee one of Picard's best lines ever.

  • @tomking6006

    @tomking6006

    2 жыл бұрын

    You don't deserve. To wear. That. Uniform.

  • @MenloMarseilles

    @MenloMarseilles

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Poppamunz Tom's (or Wesley's) duty to "the truth, whether it is scientific, historical or personal".

  • @aidenbagshaw5573
    @aidenbagshaw55732 жыл бұрын

    It’s nice to see a (probably) placebo-only treatment being advertised exclusively for pain relief. The placebo effect is powerful in that area, but so many times, it’s dangerously advertised as an actual substitute for modern medicine. Glad to see it being used responsibly, and with as much transparency as possible.

  • @TheUndeadFireNinja

    @TheUndeadFireNinja

    2 жыл бұрын

    On top of that, pain is one of the things modern medicine still struggles with. If someones pain can be helped just as well with a placebo as with modern medicine (or better), I see that as a win for the patient.

  • @isaacbejjani5116

    @isaacbejjani5116

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yea, if it's placebo vs oxycontin/morphine, id go for placebo every time (course doesn't work if u know it is) even if there's a level of misinformation involved I think it's ethically dubious, but morally right in the end (granted the placebo isn't more dangerous than morphine haha)

  • @renakunisaki

    @renakunisaki

    2 жыл бұрын

    I have a hunch that sometimes pain is just a "bug". It's the body's way to indicate a problem, but sometimes there isn't actually a problem. In that case, placebo is probably the best treatment, because it's using a psychological trick to correct a psychological error. Maybe there's a faulty "sensor", and the best thing you can do is convince the brain to just ignore it, instead of messing with the body's chemical balance trying to fix a non-existent problem.

  • @KleioChronicles

    @KleioChronicles

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@isaacbejjani5116 It’s been a while since I read up on it but I’m sure I read somewhere that even knowing it’s a placebo can have an affect. I think it was something to do with performance enhancing in cycling or something. It was a while ago. Most pharmaceutical companies don’t have to prove very hard that their pill is better than the placebo/control group as I remember the margins for passing to get approval are fairly small. Hence why it may be better to just take the placebo in some limited cases. I mean, it’s not just alternative medicine that tell outright lies about their treatments.

  • @oldvlognewtricks

    @oldvlognewtricks

    2 жыл бұрын

    The trouble is this placebo happens to be exposing people to radiation, which has measurable risks. No so a sugar pill.

  • @savannahbarbour4415
    @savannahbarbour44152 жыл бұрын

    tom, you handled this topic perfectly, no matter what you do someone will always be upset, you took the middle ground and purely showed us an interesting topic, and it was a good video

  • @ZSchrink
    @ZSchrink2 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. Thank you for your delicate treatment of this topic.

  • @HansStrijker
    @HansStrijker2 жыл бұрын

    For someone who doesn't know how to talk about something like this, you do a remarkable job of it! It's fair and balanced, doesn't oversell a (possible bunk) therapy, but doesn't dismiss it due to preconceived notions. I agree, it sounds like snake oil on first hearing of it, and I still don't necessarily believe it, but I also agree that it's well worth finding out the real deal of this. Very much a "more research is necessary"-situation. Props for this video!

  • @jonas1015119
    @jonas10151192 жыл бұрын

    As a german, I knew this *used* to be a thing, between the discovery and radiation and WWII there was an obsession with Radon for health production, famously including "Radon chocolate" which was even printed in my history book. Didnt know they still did these though.

  • @meloney

    @meloney

    Жыл бұрын

    Did you mean Radon or Radium?

  • @youtubeaccount6235

    @youtubeaccount6235

    7 ай бұрын

    @@meloney Technically both. The radon that radium naturally produces as it breaks down (called "emanations" back then) was thought to have all sorts of curative powers by quack doctors. This led to a lot of devices which housed radium that people could insert into their water to make it "Radio-active", usually through the production of radon gas within the water. The science on this is obviously questionable at best, and the amount of radon gas that would escape from these products and pollute the air around them regardless back in the day wouldn't have been ideal.

  • @smalltime0

    @smalltime0

    6 ай бұрын

    Radium Emanation Bath salts were also a thing

  • @lauralaura396
    @lauralaura3962 жыл бұрын

    This subject doesn't really have much to do with my current life. But you have a way of making things interesting. Now I also really hope that this will lead to a bigger study. I think you addressed this subject very well. Letting the people from the center talk and giving your own skeptic thoughts about it. You gave the right balance between keeping your audience skeptic but not sounding like you're ridiculing the center and people who do feel the treatment works. I really hope you'll be able to give us an update in a few years.

  • @terig8974
    @terig8974 Жыл бұрын

    I know I'm not the only one who prefers a video/essay that presents information without telling me what to think or feel about the topic.

  • @macloricott13
    @macloricott132 жыл бұрын

    This is a brilliant video. As an engineer working in research, this is exactly how these things should be divulged, handled, and decided upon. Thank you, Tom.

  • @seanfk
    @seanfk2 жыл бұрын

    "The tunnel where people pay to inhale radioactive gas" now that's a title Mr Scott. Hats off.

  • @DSlyde
    @DSlyde2 жыл бұрын

    Radiation hormesis and other alternatives to the LNT model are things I've been looking into for a long time, but I ran into the same issue, the research on them is very limited. It's difficult to test them - double blind is hard. Safety is hard. Regulation is hard. Long term effects are hard. But over a million people have now seen this video, and I think that's a good start to getting more interest in testing. It's definitely not a weak ending, it's a needed call to action.

  • @stejer211
    @stejer211 Жыл бұрын

    IT REALLY WORKS! 6 to 8 weeks after watching this video I experienced no pain!

  • @CL-go2ji

    @CL-go2ji

    Жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @caleb11549
    @caleb115492 жыл бұрын

    as a 20 year suffer of chronic pain it gets to the point where anything that could help feels like an amazing escape from the pain but a lot of the time it doesn't work i've been through it all. i wish one day everyone could be pain free and not have to go through the torment i've gone through i'm 25 and slowly losing my ability to walk because of the pain thank you tom

  • @HappyBeezerStudios

    @HappyBeezerStudios

    2 жыл бұрын

    I could see that. When all other, proven, methods fail, the more exotic ideas can be worth a try.

  • @cafold

    @cafold

    2 жыл бұрын

    Did you try the radon therapy?

  • @ABaumstumpf

    @ABaumstumpf

    2 жыл бұрын

    And that is the sad part - that is EXACTLY the type of people con-artists are targeting - those that have tried nearly everything that comes to mind.

  • @forwhat7435

    @forwhat7435

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would sugggest telling yourself that this pain is not something wrong with your body but in your mind

  • @justinhsu3253

    @justinhsu3253

    2 жыл бұрын

    You may have Ankylosing spondylitis (AS), my friend, which will cause chronic ache all around your body, especially your lower back and hip joints. AS is usually caused by mutation on HLA-B27 and therefore cannot be cured entirely, but it can be greatly relived by taking NSAIDs or biopharmaceutical injections, just like me, also a serious AS patient.

  • @Titchyhill
    @Titchyhill2 жыл бұрын

    As someone with chronic pain this is so interesting to watch. I can absolutely say I would give it a try. I would give anything a try to be able to go even just a day without pain. Totally agree that more studies need to be done though, I'm sceptical as well but would still give it a go.

  • @xxSuperFrogxxGaming
    @xxSuperFrogxxGaming2 жыл бұрын

    I agree, this seems like a great study. It would be interesting to see if results really proved it to be an effective treatment. God knows people should know if it’s truly effective (which would be a great treatment for chronic pain patients) or if their exposing themselves to a toxic gas for no reason!

  • @talosforeman3159
    @talosforeman31592 жыл бұрын

    3:50 "A duty to the truth, scientific or historical or personal" It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based! Now if you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to use that uniform.

  • @michaelhawkins151

    @michaelhawkins151

    2 жыл бұрын

    This is becoming a speech!

  • @Basement-Science

    @Basement-Science

    2 жыл бұрын

    He's the captain sir, he's entitled.

  • @flashbaggins427

    @flashbaggins427

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tom does wear a red shirt after all...

  • @rinoz47

    @rinoz47

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Basement-Science hmph. Im not entitled to ramble on about something everyone knows

  • @pattheplanter

    @pattheplanter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@flashbaggins427 Prepared to die for his beliefs, clearly.

  • @TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs
    @TheIronArmenianakaGIHaigs2 жыл бұрын

    A very well worded video. You did put a lot of thought into this video. I can see why you didn't want to put out the raw video without your thoughts. I can sort of understand the idea of pain relief through radiation, maybe there is something we don't understand. If it did work wouldn't there be studies from reputable groups or medical university? It's been open for many years, wouldn't trials have taken place by now?

  • @Xiphactinus

    @Xiphactinus

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hey shouldn't you be doing a USS Forrestal carrier landing?

  • @RAHelllord

    @RAHelllord

    2 жыл бұрын

    The problem with the studies is that most people likely don't know that specific tunnel exists where they could be making a proper double blind study, and chances are also that they just didn't because it's not obviously enough to harm people considering it's about one x-ray worth of radiation over multiple sessions.

  • @NerabossNeitluk

    @NerabossNeitluk

    2 жыл бұрын

    Trials sadly don't just happen. If you want a somewhat reliable study, with like 200 people (100 for each group) and the Treatment is 3 times 1 hour, then that's 600 hours of raw treatment, that have to be payed. Then add some payment to the participants and the salaries for the researchers. Suddenly you get a price-tag of over 10.000 that someone has to be willing to pay.

  • @MargoMB19

    @MargoMB19

    2 жыл бұрын

    Studies need funding. This is definitely one of those things that gets dismissed as 'quackery' as Tom called it and most reputable groups aren't going to want to fund something like that. Even if there are people who have experienced it helping.

  • @SirBlackjack010

    @SirBlackjack010

    2 жыл бұрын

    If no one pays the bills, such a study won't happen. Capitalism has long seeped into the ivory tower of scientific advance.

  • @A_Pr0blem
    @A_Pr0blem2 жыл бұрын

    Been a while since I clicked on one of your videos, it's refreshing. it's balenced and to the point

  • @spirit5923
    @spirit59232 жыл бұрын

    I truly appreciate how hard you try to be non biased in your videos.

  • @DanielGBenesScienceShows
    @DanielGBenesScienceShows2 жыл бұрын

    This is indeed the perfect scenario for a double blind test if ever there was one. Whether or not a radioactive gas could be considered a counter-irritant to kickstart the body into fighting inflammation and pain would be quite the study. That being said there’s a lot of radioactivity-based pseudoscience and snake oil to carefully weed through.

  • @wpgspecb

    @wpgspecb

    2 жыл бұрын

    But remember "pain" is a subjective measurement.

  • @woolfoma

    @woolfoma

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@wpgspecb Ah! But that's the beauty of a double blind study, it eliminates subjective perspectives by comparing people who thought there were in the gas to people who actually were and seeing who got pain relief.

  • @isaacmarkovitz7548

    @isaacmarkovitz7548

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@woolfoma it doesnt turn something subjective into someting objective, but if done correctly it can be used to turn something barely even qualitative into something that can at least be measured in the broadest of terms.

  • @woolfoma

    @woolfoma

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@isaacmarkovitz7548 Actually, it does turn something subjective into something objective. That's the entire point of a double blind study to begin with. Using a double blind study you can objectively answer completely subjective questions. This can be done for one primary reason, subjective perspectives are subject only to what the tester and test subject can perceive. So if 100 people go in the tunnel, and get told they are getting treated, and the staff think they are getting treated, and only 20 of them say they got relief. Then on the next batch 35 of the subjects get relief, that's a data point. Now only the person who is told "Hey group 1 had 20 and group 2 had 35" is the one to know which was actually getting the treatment, hence 'double blind'. Both the testers and subject are blind to the test. As there is some randomness to how many people get the relief you need many data points to form a trend, but if you notice a real trend over time that actually using the gas is causing more people to get relief then you have, in-fact, objectively measured that real pain relief is occurring.

  • @Arcessitor

    @Arcessitor

    2 жыл бұрын

    ​@@woolfoma Having an objective measurement of people's subjective experience does not make those experiences objective. It is thus not an answer to the problem you're originally responding to.

  • @SoftTinyBunny
    @SoftTinyBunny2 жыл бұрын

    Tom, this was perfectly executed. Can't wait to see the double blind results and video in 2025.

  • @stevem4391
    @stevem43912 жыл бұрын

    I gotta admit I would readily sign up for that study. My other options seem to be perscribed heavy drug use or everything hurting no matter what I do. People in my situation get swindled all the time because we're desperate for relief, if we can test a possible solution and have it be vetted by science we should do it

  • @Shareezy
    @Shareezy2 жыл бұрын

    I LOVE THIS! Awesome video, awesome summary of the information, RCTs, IRBs, love it all, LOVE. Why is their only one upvote.

  • @unthoughtwords
    @unthoughtwords2 жыл бұрын

    Your meta/under-the-hood videos and the ones where you talk through how complex the responsibility of somebody with a platform and a desire to portray the truth are amongst your most unique and interesting (the Coober Pedy one comes to mind too). This one was handled with characteristic grace and intellectual honesty - thanks for a great video!

  • @videogalore
    @videogalore2 жыл бұрын

    As someone who has spent 20+ years having to account for Radon in UK buildings, I had to see what this was all about. To most here in the UK, it's labelled as a growing health concern and even more so when it's someone who smokes, so very interesting to see the other viewpoint on this.

  • @MrDifmaster

    @MrDifmaster

    2 жыл бұрын

    i think there is a massive difference between spending 10 one hour sessions in a radon tunnel and living in a house with radon exposure. it isn’t the “other viewpoint” it’s just moderate exposure. They aren’t claiming it would be safe to live in a house exposed to radon gas

  • @pattheplanter

    @pattheplanter

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MrDifmaster So a quick visit to Cornwall could be good for you?

  • @_Piers_

    @_Piers_

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@pattheplanter Maybe good, maybe cancer. ...obviously very unlikely to be either.

  • @renakunisaki

    @renakunisaki

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's all about the dose. If you're living or working in a building with radon you're going to be exposed to a lot more of it over time.

  • @christianl5484
    @christianl54842 жыл бұрын

    And just another fantastic Tom Scott video to make the day. Fascinating. Cheers Tom :)

  • @William_Mobley
    @William_Mobley2 жыл бұрын

    As always, an unbiased, honest video, from the one and only, Tom Scott. Thank you, sir!

  • @jercos
    @jercos2 жыл бұрын

    Tom, the Picard quote is offhanded, but you would do a starfleet uniform proud. Thank you for broaching a difficult topic with care and compassion.

  • @terrynicol2098

    @terrynicol2098

    2 жыл бұрын

    Tom Scott + TNG makes me feel microtargeted.