This is great. You don't often see creators admit when they're wrong, and even fewer take steps to correct themselves. I think you guys did a great job honoring Shaw's story

@aaron6841

2 жыл бұрын

Colie where did they go wrong ? It was a reaction video

@coliebender3881

2 жыл бұрын

@@aaron6841 they said they had the wrong facts, and they did. They talked about, and corrected them, in this video

@aaron6841

2 жыл бұрын

@@coliebender3881 they were reacting to a video not gathering facts for a video

@aaron6841

2 жыл бұрын

@@coliebender3881 the reaction video wasn't meant to be fact checked it was just woodies reactions

@Dad_Is_Bored

2 жыл бұрын

Colie is right they say several times in this video that they got some facts wrong and they wanted to correct those wrongs. They even said they made some assumptions that they wanted to correct too.

If everyone handled being wrong the way you guys did, the world would be a much better place. Respect guys!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@musicisgoodforthesoul999

2 жыл бұрын

I totally agree full responsibility... Very commendable, shows alot of character. 😎

@jacksamson5118

2 жыл бұрын

@@garlandremingtoniii1338 when did that happen? I want to read about it

@jacksamson5118

2 жыл бұрын

@@garlandremingtoniii1338 someone dying trying to recover a body and then someone dying trying to recover theirs

@armandojuan64

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely , yes .

Tragic story. Also worth of mentioning is the fact, that few days later, while recovering all the gear and equipment laid out for the recovery mission, Deon's and David's bodies actually were entangled to the line which David had with him and the rescue team were able to bring them to the surface. Closing the recovery mission as a success, giving a sort of a bittersweet ending to the story.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Wow didn’t realize that. Thanks for that additional information. May they both RIP.

@Miiw007

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK Thanks for the reply! Glad I could give some additional info! Love your channel, keep up the good work! And indeed, may they rest in peace.

@dianebays5484

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, so he did end up bring him up.

@gtaylor6937

2 жыл бұрын

Watching the video of Shaw in the last few moments of his life as he tries to disentangle himself from the line is absolutely heart wrenching. For that to happen on such a well planned recovery and with such a masterful diver, just breaks my heart.

@sm_au

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK I’ve commented above, just now, the documentary I found, is very well worth watching, filmed interviews and showed the prep at the time, very worth watching if you guys get a couple of free hours to watch. Has HEAPS of background info that answers everything, though they didn’t get into much info about the dive computer cracking - the quick fix job the night before, but the diagrams showing how the dive team were situated in stations was excellent for visualising the setup.

If my son was down there, I would never be selfish enough to ask someone to risk their life to bring back his bones. I would know my son died doing what he loved, I know where he is, please let him rest in peace with his gear, the gear he cherished. I would rather him be in that ocean than a box in the earth.

@WynneL

2 жыл бұрын

💯 I appreciate Shaw's sentiment, but I could personally never dream of asking someone to retrieve the shell my loved one lived in. If it had been me, I would've told him in no uncertain terms not to do it. The shell of a loved one is not your loved one. I agree, if someone died doing what they love, they should be left to rest in that place.

@peterherbst2415

2 жыл бұрын

while I agree you have to admit that if someone came after 10 years and offer you closure by retrieving your childs body you would not refuse.

@Mehecanogeesir

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, especially after finding out that it wouldn't just be one diver risking his life, all that needed to be organized for it, and the fact that there was no real experience with using the body bag that deep..

@Cent51

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I would not ask that of any one, not with such a high risk enviroment.. Or even want somone to come and get me out of there if I died. Put up a cross and move on..

@wormhole331

2 жыл бұрын

Wasn’t the parents fault. Dave even said to Don I believe something like "who are we kidding. we want to get that body because we can”. Dave set his sights in that mission from the moment he found him.

"Drowned 4 or 5 martinis... Downed. Excuse me." Dark, bro.

The part of the original video that I found particularly terrifying is just how fast it went from "he was doing work" to "he was tangled up" and dead. 30 seconds. I mean that margin of error is just insane and to make it even worse he was there to help the family of the deceased diver and now can you imagine how they feel? The road to hell truly is paved with good intentions in this case.

@Shawaeon

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah at that depth you really do not have much time.

@jekster

2 жыл бұрын

@@garlandremingtoniii1338 Yeah, it's a bit shocking that he did a world record dive only to turn around and do it with massive extra complications. It feels like no amount of planning could account for what could go wrong.

@whitedragoness23

2 жыл бұрын

@@garlandremingtoniii1338 I wonder why he wanted to go alone. To prevent deaths because it was so dangerous?

@bananian

2 жыл бұрын

@@garlandremingtoniii1338 He probably didn't want to risk other people's lives since not many could dive that deep.

@ajogoz

2 жыл бұрын

I’d always assumed the video was edited for time… if not that makes it even more terrifying.

My wife made me dive on our honeymoon in Aruba. Never been more nervous in my life. Only went 30 feet down, open water dive. I’m confident after watching so many of your videos, it was probably the most dangerous thing I’ve ever done, mainly because of lack of instruction. I’m sure I would’ve been more comfortable with instructors like you two. Good job on video re do

@RidingOnEggshells

Жыл бұрын

She encouraged you to dive to 30ft, without proper instruction!?

@RandoManFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@RidingOnEggshells i think she was also uninstructed/not very experienced. i believe he means that his wife made him go with her to a guide to do their dive, but their guide/instructor was incompetent; so his wife would have also been ignorant to their danger

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830

Жыл бұрын

@@RandoManFPV or maybe she wanted that insurance money, lol.

@justicekrista5665

Жыл бұрын

It would be nice if I ever had the money it'd be nice to be able to hire Woody and Gus to be my instructors and maybe go on my first few Dives with me I would be totally I would feel totally totally safe with them

@StofStuiver

4 ай бұрын

I did two dives in the red sea to coral reef. About the same depth; 30- 36 feet. First times was great and no problem. Second time was different (was on another trip) bc i was getting sick but didnt know it yet. Intestines... bc of bacteria, which ive never had prior or since. Anywise, i went in and had the feeling i was fighting a current the entire time, so that cost quite some energy and made it rather unpleasant. Then at some point an instructor took a big rock from the seafloor and handed it to me and made a gesture that i should keep it under my arm. So i did. Swimming became a lot easier then, even with only 1 arm free. Seemed i didnt have enough weight on me, so i had been continuously trying to stay down. And that trip was with my 2 daughters, then 10 and 12 years old. My 12 year old went after me. They were so revved up that we were going to do this before we went to egypt even. But she was very thin (still is) and with the tank on her back it looked like she was going to topple over, but she kept standing! Then when in the water, they came back up (was with an instructor for herself alone) and was panicking. So i asked what the problem was. The mask didnt fit so she got seawater in her mouth and couldnt breath well. So the mask was changed and there she went, with the instructor. I was looking from the boat, ready to jump in if something went bad. Was tracking the bubbles for as far as i could. And she came back eventually, so happy and she wanted to go again (which didnt happen). Then my 10 year old had her turn. She was too small to carry a tank, so the instructor had an extra breather on his tank for her and took her under his arm and there they went. God i was so nervous, tracking the bubbles again. But an unforgettable experience for them. Its so beautifull down there in the coral with all the fishies. I cant really describe. I remember also the very first thing on the very first dive. As we went down i looked up to the boat. That was so odd. And then i looked straigt, as we were halfway down and there was an open sea fish. Dont know which sort, looked like an oversized mackrell and it was just hanging there, looking at me. That in itself was already worth it. That was 20 years ago. If i get back into shape a bit, i may do it again. Its magical. Pure magic. Blake, you said you were so nervous, but how was the dive itself and what did you see down there?

In October of 2017 I was recovering from surgery and stumbled upon a documentary about him. Throughout the doc I didn't know he died until the end. I cried. It just broke my heart. David Shaw was just a great human being.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed he was and he absolutely deserved this video to rectify the first one I did. Thanks for the comment.

I'm glad that you corrected the incorrect assumptions you made in your initial reaction. I admit that after coming across your reaction, I felt that Shaw was "reckless" in attempting the rescue. It didn't really sit right with me because the documentary made the dive look a lot more prepared than you seemed to imply. The real story is indeed a true testament to the courage of the divers and how much they knew.

@armandojuan64

2 жыл бұрын

The recovery ( not rescue ) was an utterly absurd endeavour to begin with , the result speaks for itself . One great man with a family died , another great man ( also with a family ) almost died and the family who should have advised both divers against trying to go ahead with that plan , only got a bag with a headless corpse and an overwhelming sense of guilt for the death of Dave Shaw .

@robertmarsch7965

2 жыл бұрын

Holy crap I used to watch your warthunder videos, so surprised to see you commenting on this video

@danielboone5505

2 жыл бұрын

@@armandojuan64 Yes indeed.

@dacheese13

2 жыл бұрын

@@armandojuan64 ok... it wasn't absurd, it was a well thought and designed plan, they weren't only 2 divers, and they recover both of them, wholly. So as you can seen it took you few seconds after watching an apology video about misspeaking without checking the facts, and still you managed to state 3, not one, not two but three erroneous statements. I am at a loss of words.

@armandojuan64

2 жыл бұрын

@@dacheese13 My friend , there's a reason why corpses are left behind in extreme enviroments like Everest , Annapurna or K2 . 280 meters in a cave is even more extreme than all those 3 places combined . You do the math . Watch the video , that guy was probably the best diver on the planet and in less than 30 seconds ...... gone . BTW , I have known the story since it happened , read the reports , the books , the interviews and the autopsy report too ; for you it is probably the first time you read or watch something like this , not my case . I follow diving and mountaineering since I remember and I am not a superficial person nor a keyboard warrior . He was by himself down there , when Don Shirley arrived to his spot ( 140 feet above him ) the torch on Shaw's right hand wasn't moving , meaning that he was already dead and since he was the record holder , nobody else could have gone to that dept to help him , I'm gonna go a little bit farther , until they recovered the head camera , three days later and watched the footage , they didn't know what had happened .... so I recommend you to watch the video again before jumping on your high and condescending horse .

I’ve become obsessed. I’m not a diver, never even seen the ocean. You two are killing me, I’m either going to have to learn to dive or potentially lose my mind. Thank you for The amazing content guys! Much love from Missouri!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Learn to dive!!!

@ashleylucas-hemphill3689

2 жыл бұрын

Drive to Florida! You HAVE to see the ocean! It's amazing haha. I love the Ocean.

@seedmole

2 жыл бұрын

Do it dude! You're near the gulf, definitely could find a place to go learn!

@Wizardbeard91

2 жыл бұрын

Dude I'm from California the ocean is soooo beautiful definitely go check it out wherever you get the chance to do it you won't regret it

@ashleylucas-hemphill3689

2 жыл бұрын

If you decide to see the Ocean one day..Never..I repeat NEVER go to Galveston LOL.

Never gone on a dive in my life but DAMN I can’t get enough of your channel. Holy crap, fascinating. 👍🤘🏻🇺🇸

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Jack, awesome comment. So happy you are enjoying it.

@SM-nn7dd

2 жыл бұрын

Hehe same! I’ve already watched all videos though 😆

@spiritmatter1553

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll never dive but this is fascinating. MrBallen's videos on sat divers though….

I know some people will take issue with this, but what of his wife and two kids? Is taking this big of a risk for someone who is already dead worth leaving your wife a widow and your kids without a dad? Everyone obviously had good intentions here, but I really think Shaw was neglecting the impact this would have on his family, and his friends too for that matter.

@justicekrista5665

Жыл бұрын

I soon agree. I am definitely not sure but I think the children were pretty young which is a even sadder situation

@richardcarey7022

Жыл бұрын

I think he looked at this as a challenge he normally took regardless. Remember he had already done this dive and if something would have happened on that dive it would have been the same for his family. If he wasn't doing this dive he would have been in some other deep hole taking the same risk affecting his family.

@justicekrista5665

Жыл бұрын

@@richardcarey7022 you do have a very valid point and I agree to some extent but as an experienced diver he should have known that this was so much riskier than just a regular dive. I think his complacency started to overshadow his sense. God bless him and especially his family and all others that were hurt by this unnecessary tragedy

@MOI-qq8zc

Жыл бұрын

Not worth it. Dion should have been left in place. He died doing what he loved.

@anuragchaudhari9385

Жыл бұрын

I don't think to Dave, it was about recovering Dion's body. It was about the challenge that mission presented, about the adrenaline rush, etc whatever you wanna call it. In the process, if he would be able to soothe the wounds of a hurting family of Dion, that would be epic. He did go to this insane depth before without any strong reason. That is when he accidentally found Dion's body and got obsessed with he challenge of recovering it. Intent however may not have been any emotional attachement to Dion or his family, but just the thrill that mission presented to Dave. however, it is what it is. That thrill is important as well and you are in no position to judge if it was right or wrong. His family might have been at peace with his death, especially when he used to undertake such dangerous missions regularly. Dave was a diving legend who inspired many. May he rest in peace.

I love the fact that you've handled this the way you guys have. So much respect.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this.

@Coach_Vedo

2 жыл бұрын

Like a two gentlemans! That's different between todays kids on KZread and two grown gentlemans! Respect!

I do hope people take a second to think about the nature of a "REACT" video. Your not supposed to know what's going on untill after.. however, you guys certainly did a tremendous job at going back and telling the whole story.. much respect!

@CoDWiiPS3Gameplay

2 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. If you already knew everything beforehand, then it's not a reaction, it's just a review.

I'm a pilot who's afraid to be underwater lol. But it's interesting, because in aviation we learn about how "external pressures" can cause us to make unsafe decisions. For example, let's someone has a buddy in town for one day who they want to take flying. But there are thunderstorms in the area. Normally they wouldn't attempt the flight, but because they don't want to disappoint their buddy, they go ahead anyways, which results in an accident. It sounds like divers can also experience many forms of external pressures too? This video possibly being one example.

@jenicdarling9425

Жыл бұрын

Oh for sure there’s external pressure in diving! In this case he should’ve aborted retrieving the body when he realized the state of how the body was wasn’t how they thought it would be, that he would have to get it a different way then they planned so he should’ve aborted it so they could re-strategize and plan it since he’s on such a strict and dangerous time limit being deep down there. He shouldn’t have been trying to figure out how to do it down there. But i think he wanted to retrieve the body for the parents and maybe he didn’t want to come back to the surface(after slowly going up with a minute taking a hour) to all of them and the cameras empty handed because he couldn’t do it and they all would need to do all this again and come back on another day. That’s just my opinion though but ya it seems like he felt like it had to be done on that day

@alexandermiller6317

Жыл бұрын

@@jenicdarling9425 Well said!

That happened to the best diver ever , with months of preparations and the best team they could assemble.. and people still going into caves without cave certification nor the right equipment … 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Jose, correct. Cave diving must ONLY be done by certified cave divers. End of story.

@michaelwoods3141

2 жыл бұрын

I would say sheck exley was the best diver ever, but he died in pretty similar circumstances so the point stands.

@miskatonic6210

2 жыл бұрын

The best divers are the divers that don't die, not the ones overpushing boundaries and dying.

@eliastalks7411

2 жыл бұрын

@@miskatonic6210 yeah although you can be an expert (Exley) and have thousand of dive hours and technical knowledge and still s*** can go wrong. There's pretty harrowing stories of experiences guys who go down, do everything by the books, and don't make it back up eg equipment failure, the cave falls on you, or you have a random stroke or seizure. It's less common than fatalities caused by ego and lack of cave training, but if you're deep in an underwater cave w no easy ascent, there's all manner of things that could go wrong. At that depth if something goes wrong and you're solo diving, you're toast. Imo that's why robots should do recoveries or large tag teams (if not accessible for robots - the hole Dave Shaw went down was fairly wide and straight down) if it's beyond 100m. I get that it may not be as nice to have a robot recover your dead sons body, but better that than another fatality. At least if the robot fails, all that's lost is the equipment.

@zoram671

2 жыл бұрын

Very good

I understand what he did, but it really needs to be considered an Everest situation whenever it goes below even 500ft. It is just too dangerous and the risk isn't worth it. Thanks for putting this together. God rest both of their souls, and God bless Shirley for doing what he could.

@gregoryschmidt1233

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too. There's a reason they leave the bodies in the death zone.

@electrictroy2010

2 жыл бұрын

500 feet is extremely deep. In World War 2 even submarines did not dive that deep (except if the sub was leaking). Crush depth was 500 feet

@hesusmariajosef

2 ай бұрын

everest doesn’t even cut it, more like moon situation.

It's to the point that I hit the like button before I even watch the video. I'm such a huge fan. I took my first dive today and now have a bigger respect for the knowledge you guys bring.

@orlandosantana8490

2 жыл бұрын

Just 20 ft. In the Ocean is so surreal. I can't wait to learn more and take all my classes

Shaws story always makes me tear up. Great humble and brave, glad he fulfilled his wish to bring him back

@blueraven1432

Жыл бұрын

my mother was realy lucky to meet up with Don Shirley and he told her "Even though i was scared in the moment i will never say that diving is a dangerous and profession but there are rules that make it safe."

@johnnychimpo7539

11 ай бұрын

He was brave but not humble. He dove deeper than anyone and he compares his sport to be an f1 driver (which I don’t disagree with) but those guys are not humble, they can’t be. They gotta be ruthless

@nate2838

11 ай бұрын

@@johnnychimpo7539 It is possible to be both humble and determined to continue pushing the limits of your capabilities. My understanding of such diving is one mistake or miscalculation is all it takes at that depth. He likely wasn't aware of how much greater the exertion would affect him and miscalculated his capability. Most people never push themselves to a situation that has such a fine line, usually staying in a zone where a minor miscalculation doesn't have fatal consequences.

Don’t apologize!! With all due respect to David Shaw, It’s a reaction channel. If you knew the entire story before hand, you wouldn’t have a genuine reaction!! Great job on both videos! Thank-you for your time 🤘🏼❤️☺️

@seferinorino6951

2 жыл бұрын

Well, it depends. Are they reacting to a video or a story? If it’s a story then is fair they do it based on all the facts. I think the new video is the right move

@BaalsMistress

Жыл бұрын

It's entirely possible to do nothing wrong, but still say things that create a misleading impression. It's absolutely responsible and reasonable to apologize for creating that impression. An apology doesn't imply an intent to harm. It acknowledges that harm occurred and expresses remorse that it did.

What a channel, you didn’t even have to do this video. Both you guys are legit. And this dive sounds even more crazy. 1 hour deco with every minute at the bottom IS INSANE!

@prunceman3566

2 жыл бұрын

i dont understand 1 hour deco with every minute, can you elaborate?

@Quiksilversurf311

2 жыл бұрын

@@prunceman3566 One hour of decompression for every minute David Shaw spent at the bottom of this cave. If you want a more in depth explanation look up Divers Decompression.

@miskatonic6210

2 жыл бұрын

@@prunceman3566 In short: For every minute at that depth the total dive will have to be 1 hour longer, because your body needs a lot of time to adapt to lower pressures again and you have to rest on your way up.

@KokosNaSnehu2

2 жыл бұрын

Is there something you can do to pass time while decompressing? Like watch a movie on your dive computer or something lol? It seems horribly boring to just float in the water for 8 hours.

@charongeurrier

Жыл бұрын

@@KokosNaSnehu2 try to imagine, these guys say it too: just being on this depth requires constant focus. On equipment, mixture for breathing, breathing technique, your own mind. Lots of things can go wrong. This requires a loot of pre-planning. Last thing youll be doing is watching movies on the wait.

This is why I love this channel! Just two wholehearted, humble dudes talking and sharing with all of us about your shared joy and love for diving. It also helps that both of you can have fun and be silly as well. Not everyone can admit that they can be wrong/misinformed. Not only that, but broadcast it to the world. Stand up job guys! 🤘🤘🤘

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Stacy, I wish I could hug you right now. This means so much to us! Woody & Gus

They actually basically DID end up just pulling Dreyer’s body up by the shot rope, along with Dave’s. The next day when they pulled up the shot rope, and all the gear, it pulled Dreyer and Shaw up with it due to how tangled Dave got in the shot rope, his light, and Dreyer’s original line. However, the bag did ensure that Dreyer’s remains (minus the head), stayed intact. So, in the end, Shaw did keep his promise, at the cost of his life.

@BaalsMistress

Жыл бұрын

it makes you wonder if a better plan might have been to simply attach the line to the body, then exit and haul it up. Hindsight is so clear.

@anonanon3066

Жыл бұрын

@@BaalsMistress It only stayed intact because of the body bag. You probably would have just surfaced his wetsuite, tibia, or whatever you tied the rope to.

I’ve heard this story told by several youtubers and this is the best one I’ve heard. Please keep retelling stories this way!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lane. We’ll stick to the facts.

I appreciate you guys updating and detailing the record. Always be learning.

This correction was handled eloquently and in the best manner possible.

We can respect Shaw and team while confronting and being honest about the mistakes they made. That honesty will contribute to the safety of the sport and save future lives.

Great video guys. Really. David Shaw was indeed a selfless human being, who should be remembered as a hero, BUT…his dive should have NEVER been attempted solo. Having the support people was definitely important, but there should have been two divers ALL THE WAY DOWN! That’s the first rule of cave diving…have a buddy. If it was too deep, someone could have trained before going - it’s not like the body would be going anywhere. There’s no way to know for sure if a buddy could have gotten him out, but there should have been at least the opportunity. It boggles my mind that with all the planning, all the money spent, and the one thing skipped was having two people all the time, the entire way down. Well done follow-up fellas. Really well done.

@wishingb5859

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the problem started before then. He didn't talk to experts in body recovery and had a willy nilly concept about that. Listening to some of the people who do body recoveries, it does not sound at all like an easy process. Plus, being at record-breaking depths, the concept of even trying to get a body in a body bag within 2 minutes sounded so difficult. Plus, his friend using Jeri-rigged equipment should have meant calling off the dive that day and things like the camera changing how he dives should have been practiced over and over again until he had it down pat. They say he got tangled up and I had already wondered about it with the other diver because he couldn't move the diver in the 1 minute he was down there and that sounded odd because he was in water. He needed a plan in case that diver was tangled up on something is the first thought that I had. The problem is without an expert talking him through scenarios like that, he just didn't have time. I think if he had jumped in a pool with something and tried to put it in a body bag, he might have changed how they did it. Someone else figured out how to pull the bodies out on the line and that person has a different skill set.

@infectionsman

2 жыл бұрын

@@wishingb5859 He did practice body recovery in a pool using his friend playing dead. But the "experts" had predicted the body being a pile of bones with negative buoyancy. In reality the wetsuit was full of adipose goo that would float causing difficulty for Shaw. I agree they should have aborted when the buddys equipment was damaged. And using new equipment (camera helmet) is a big no-no on such a serious mission.

@wishingb5859

2 жыл бұрын

@@infectionsman Yeah, when you listen to body recovery stories, none of theM sound simple.

@catmcc3464

2 жыл бұрын

Especially with a body. And trying to get it into a bag, in a cave.

@M_Duhamel17

Жыл бұрын

Considering he was a father and husband , I consider Shaw to be much more selfish and irresponsible than selfless .

So nice having people actually admit when they made a mistake in a previous video. Thanks. It makes me trust y’all way more. I hope to get the chance to dive or train with y’all one day. I live in AL so I am not far. :)

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

We are right next door!

@Julia_BH

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Awesome. I had a feeling you guys were in FL. One of your videos you mentioned Dive Pros and ironically that’s the place I was looking to train. I sincerely hope to become a cave diver one day, but first, I should learn regular scuba diving 😅

I feel like Dion and David are together now and diving together in heaven eternal buddies

You two are both such GOOD dudes. I’ve never heard of this dive before. Glad to have been able watch this and appreciate all the planning done. And glad your were able to recount some of the facts with respect. Thank you.

So much respect to you guys for making this. It's pretty natural for us humans to fill in the blanks when we don't know all the facts, so it makes sense that you said "the next day" and stuff like that. All you can do is correct yourself when you find out you're wrong and that's what you did!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Andrew. Means a lot to us that you recognize this. Thanks for the support.

This was a really good recap, some of these things even Mr. Ballen missed when he covered it. There was no defensiveness at all in this response, just a genuine step back to gather everything and then relayed everything as it was told. It speaks volumes, not just about y'all yourselves, but in general to admit, "Hey, I got this wrong, let me make it right," and then do so. Woody said in the first reaction video to Mr. Ballen that y'all may scare people away from cave diving, and admittedly I was terrified of it coming from those videos to this channel, but now I'm very interested in learning. Is there a website where I can find some reputable instructors in Texas? RIP Shaw and Dion.

@theoallen8617

Жыл бұрын

Go to Reef Encounters Texas in Temple, Texas.

The David Shaw video was the first dive talk video I watched. It takes true men to be able to admit their mistakes. Massive respect to you two.

@xyz7572

2 жыл бұрын

Or, you know, they could just have looked up basic details before making the video to begin with. Especially since it’s literally a react video about a man’s death.

Can’t stop watching your guy’s channel. So much Respect for David Shaw, Shirley and the rest of the divers. Thanks for going back and readdressing what actually happened. I would have never known the difference, but you guys showed good character by doing this video. Please keep doing videos and help people like me understand the art and passion behind diving.

It shows the worth of a person admit and apologing for mistake i have every respect for you

David Shaw was one of my favorite diver stories......it's so so sad how it all happened, he had such a big heart and I'm sure it meant so much to him to bring the kid home to his parents. It's just so tragic he lost his own life trying.

@mayalackman7581

2 жыл бұрын

At least the body recovery was a success.

I remember watching this documentary. I remember crying because it was so sad knowing their plans just went badly. I remember seeing part of the video of his own footage as he was dying. Such a sad, awful loss of wonderful amazingly big hearted divers that risked their own lives to save another dead diver. Such a sad ending though

I have such a heavy heart after listening to this. Somewhere I did hear about this dive, but just the bare facts of David Shaw trying to recover this young man and losing his life in the process. I'm thankful to have found your video and learned more about it. The heartache both families have, the friends have, even the people there that really didn't know them, is unimaginable. You did a great job presenting this.

Wow! Thank you so much for doing an update! This is one of the best of y'all's videos because it really shows how much you care about diving and those who are pushing the boundaries of what is possible, while also respecting the massive limitations of doing so. 👏

Wow, you gave me so much more info than I already had! The hour decompression for every one min just floors me. This story is just so unbelievably tragic.

You guys are legends, thank you so much for doing this follow up video - absolute class to take everyone’s feedback onboard & do such a comprehensive re-review 👍 I was keen to hear your thoughts on it since it was such a different situation to the usual accident videos, being experienced divers on a well planned (albeit extreme) dive - so spending almost 40mins going through the story in detail to give us an even better appreciation for Shaw, Shirley & their team was absolutely brilliant 👌 Subscribed! 👍

35 minutes went by like a flash, the story with all its details is just mesmerising, terrifying and sobering at the same time.

Appreciate you guys following up on this. Still a reckless mission, but he knew the risks. I took the original reaction video with a grain of salt, having seen the documentary and all. Well done.

Reminds me of the movie “Interstellar.” One minute equals one hour deco, is like a time paradox almost where our lifespans are different at depths or at extreme altitude.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment.

@Gizziiusa

2 жыл бұрын

very interesting perspective.

@spiritmatter1553

2 жыл бұрын

Like the Death Zone at Everest where your body starts to die after 20 minutes. Interesting observation.

@deaconstjohn4842

2 жыл бұрын

indeed, everything is relative :) it all depends on the frame of reference, or in other words like in this case, the situation you're in.

@reginaschellhaas1395

2 жыл бұрын

I thought of Interstellar, too.

Can you imagine he was hallucinating and seen Deon alive asking for help or something of that nature. Like the moment when Deon's decomposed face pans across the camera in the video..

i am so glad i found this channel. not only was this reexamination of the dive humble, but it was also entertaining and informative!! you guys have reignited my spark for diving, i’m from florida and i used to dive as a teen/YA but life happens and i haven’t been able to dive again. now that i’ve finished my army contract and graduated school i’m genuinely considering getting recertified. thanks again for the awesome video you guys!!

Glad you guys did this. I was hanging on every word. Very courageous of Shaw, Shirley, and the whole team.

Wow. I saw the reaction video & I’ve seen the documentary a few times… you not only corrected the facts about Shaw’s last dive, you added a ton of details to the story that I’d never heard before. Awesome job! Thank you so much for doing this video!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

So glad you found this correction video helpful.

Glad to see this corrected information, I read on the story a bit after your previous video and it didn’t fully line up. Thanks guys 👍🏻 I’m not a diver, don’t plan to be and prior to finding your channel, I’ve been petrified of water. But I’m starting to see the beauty in diving. Thanks for another great video! ❤️

Woody narrates with compassion and energy, very well done! We are watching Gus, and seeing his emotional reaction. The two of you combined, made a compelling, informative yet moving presentation. Thanks for this.

Appreciate you did this video again, that was a sad dive, watched it many years ago- huge respect for both of you and Don Shirley. RIP Dave, you did it though, Deon came up too.

Awesome video to re-address your previous reaction to the David Shaw story. Bringing in all the facts to make this story clear for all concerned.

I must say that I love the videos that turn into a story time session. This video and the one with Mike last week are a couple of my favorites because they go into great detail about particular intense dives. Have you guys considered inviting master divers like Ed Sorenson on the show to tell the story of an intense dive or rescue mission they've been on? Instead of your typical (and great) video reactions, it'd be like reacting to the real time telling of a great story.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. It’s not easy to get these guys to sit with us and talk about it. They are always underwater! 😂

💐💐RIP David John Shaw (20 July 1954 - 8 January 2005) (aged 50) you will truly be missed and my prayer goes out to you and your family and all the divers that lost their lives. 💐💐

Thank you for doing this video. I had no idea how much preparation went into this dive. It is so hard to understand how tough this dive was.

love that yall knew you needed to get the facts straight. Helps us trust your word when you are able to admit when you're wrong.

I'm sorry , But I have to question the end justifying the means here. Now I understand the idea of "leave no man behind" , "dignity of the dead" and "closure for the family". that being said I just don't think it was worth the risk. I have to wonder if Dion's Father knew what great risk the recovery team were taking? If it was my son dead down there I would have said. I appreciate the offer ,But no thanks. There's a fine line between nobility and taking unrealistic high risk. Now the father has two souls to greave.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

I agree, but we don’t know all the details. Dave Shaw seemed like a guy with great charisma and the biggest confidence in the world, he could’ve made it sound like this was a done deal and a slam dunk, I don’t think Theo was a diving expert, so I assume he deferred his judgement to David’s expertise. He probably said something like “David, if this is too dangerous, you don’t have to do this” and David said “Don’t you worry, I’m getting your son”. Who knows. I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I agree with you that in retrospect they should’ve left his body there, what’s the difference between been buried at the bottom of a super deep cave vs. your local cemetery?

@JediOfTheRepublic

2 жыл бұрын

Humans have always cared for the dead, this goes throughout human history. We somehow feel connected when visiting grave sites. This is both culturally but also religiously. I think it’s foolish to use what if’s in this scenario. We see that it was well planned but there were mistakes that ended with Shaw loosing his life. The way I see it, Shaw knew the risk and he wanted to take it to help bring comfort to a family. It’s sad what happened, Shaw was an accomplished individual but hindsight is always 20/20.

@elmo319

2 жыл бұрын

It was written in the transcript woody was reading, shaw felt a personnel obligation to retrieve deon, it was more important to him to discuss that than the record he’d just broken when he surfaced. I would assume it was partly because he thought he was perhaps the only person capable of recovering him.

@SvPVids

2 жыл бұрын

He had already done it once and was confident he could do it again, The pain the mother was feeling having his son down there without being able to bury him must have been unbearable.

@jessicawilkerson2417

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, unless you've been in their position it's really easy to say what "you would or wouldn't" have done, so out of fairness to Dion's parents, we don't know what that decision was like. I've watched the David Shaw documentary and when he approached the family, he was very confident that he could successfully bring their son up. which they had been told before it just wasn't possible. Even though Shaw knew the risks, I honestly believe that he believed the dive would be successful! It's a remarkable story and although Shaw lost his life, it's amazing that he was able to tie himself around Dion to the line so that they'd both be brought up!

Just got my open water cert after finding your channel. First step of many but the lessons you preach certainly helped me even in my introductory class. Keep going and keep growing fellas.

It is extremely mature and humble of you to correct yourself with all the facts. I have huge amount of respect for people who do this. After all, you were just reacting to the video without knowing the facts, so no one can blame you for the inaccuracies anyway but it is nice to learn the real facts. I have absolutely ZERO knowledge about all things ‘diving’ so I enjoy coming to these videos to learn new things. I find the whole tragedy of Dave Shaw incredibly saddening, given how much planning went into the body recovery and the fact that he was recovering the body for the parents is admirable and selfless and I just find the scenario that he died doing something of this scale for someone else so so awful. Thank you for sharing this! Take care guys :)

This was awesome. I learned to dive in 1983 on Okinawa Japan. Crystal clear water, tons of coral, very little sand. You could go to 120’ and see everything. Bubbles coming from other divers 100’ away. So clear. When I hear the “Plan your dive.... Dive your plan.” It takes me back to 1983. God bless Mr. Shaw. For taking the final dive.

I knew the story since it happened , I was living in Spain at the time and that was big news over there but Woody's reaction was so satisfying and accurate for the video and amount of information he had at the time that I kept my mouth shut and I didn't say anything .

Omg yes! so happy you guys put this one out! Love it and love hearing your opinions on this particular dive. I personally find this story so facinating

Thanks guys, I really respect that you came back and addressed this. It's totally understandable that mistakes were made when you didn't know all the facts. The format you use these days for reactions (where one of you has some backstory on the video you react to and one of you does a initial reaction) really helps to prevent those sorts of mistakes while still allowing a genuine experience as far as possible. Regardless of the initial mistakes though, these two reactions to Dave Shaw are a great tribute to him - the difficulty of what he was trying to accomplish is certainly underscored in the first video, while this video really highlights his capabilities, experience and moral character.

Dave Shaw has become one of my heroes. I am not a diver, but his bravery made me really respect him. I watched the documentary about the dive, called Dave not coming back. There's a part, where Shaw, Shirley, and all of the divers who were going to be diving during the recovery, were all sitting in a backyard, talking about the dive, and Shaw told everyone that if anything went wrong, not to risk their own lives trying to save him, because it was better to have one person dead, than two. What a brave guy. I'd probably be like "do whatever you can to save me" but he cared more about the safety of his fellow divers. R.I.P Dave.

@ericaanderson9587

Жыл бұрын

The same for me. I felt so inspired to live life with intention and to use the power of my spoken word to help others. He promised to bring the body back to the parents and he did that. Very remarkable story and man. Every breath is precious. His bravery has inspired me. 🙏🏽♥️ RIP David. In the end it was very sad to see his friends re enacting the scene when he writes on the board and hands it off. What an incredible team and display of teamwork. 🙏🏽

Well done correcting your mistake. Shirley's bend was a vestibular one. That is the same type I had. Mine was due to a PFO and happened 90 minutes after the dive. I cannot imagine the horror of it happening at depth.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info.

@Musiknird

2 жыл бұрын

You have PFO? Have you went through surgery and still dives or have you put the fins on the shelf? I'm asking because I treated a young woman in the re-compression chamber in Phuket that had PFO and she had the most severe case of DSC anyone of us had ever seen and we thought she wouldn't survive. She didn't know she had PFO like most and it almost cost her her life.

@ryanhuffman7410

2 жыл бұрын

@@Musiknird what's "PFO" and what's "DSC?"

@Musiknird

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanhuffman7410 it's a shortening for Patent Foreman Ovale and is a heart condition causing a hole between the chambers in the heart. DCS is a shortening for Decompression Sickness that can occur to divers for different reasons.

@ryanhuffman7410

2 жыл бұрын

@@Musiknird thank you.

This has now become my favorite video from you guys! Been a sub since before we hit 1k, and this is exactly why I stayed. I am so proud to see the level of integrity and respect Gus and Woody showed by not just admitting to an error, but going above an beyond to ensure Shaw, Deon, and Shirley, and all of the people involved got the respect due to them for an incredible act of bravery that sadly ended in tradegy. Thank you again Gus and Woody! Great video!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being a subscriber from the beginning!

Great video! Loved the reaction from before but extra context is also great! Either way insane event that happened, you guys told it very well and respectfully both times you don’t see that on videos like these! Well done! Can’t wait for the next video

I know this dive went wrong some years ago, Listening to the story was painful. I don't dive or swim, I watch dive videos and I do know divers. This is one of the saddest stories I have heard so far. I am so saddened for all whos lives David Shaw touched. I wish all to find some solace once the bodies were recovered. Thank you so much for sharing a well planned dive, teaching that no matter how well you plan, things can still terrible, horribly wrong

Fun fact: Sheck Exley was one of the first to explore this cave to extreme depths!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Cameron, amazing. What a cave pioneer he was.

I’m so glad you posted this video. I actually went and watched the documentary this evening. Very sad, but I have to say, what a team.

I’ve seen a couple of y’all’s videos now, but this one has earned a follow from me. I admire the respect y’all’ve displayed here.

I think the worst part of this story (obviously besides Dreyer and Shaw dying and Shirley almost dying and suffering long term effects) is that after Dion Dreyers body was recovered, his parents cremated his body and sprinkled his ashes back in Bushman's hole. 😳

@mandijean28

5 ай бұрын

Seriously?! That's insane. I had no idea they did this. 😢

@Michael-nu6fb

4 ай бұрын

That is so upsetting

These guys are my new youtube obsession. Have been watching cave diving videos for a while, but have never come across a channel with such quality content and knowledge! Can't wait to see what is next 😁

You 2 have so much respect for each other it’s so nice to watch.

This is so intense. Nice reading of the events and clarification gentlemen. Respect to all those involved.

Diving into Darkness, great book about this dive. Highly recommend reading it, especially Learnjng what Shirley went through on his ascent. Just goes to show, no matter how much planning you do, how much skill u have, things still can happen. Saddest part for me is the fact Shaw probably would’ve lived if he switched to his OC bail out bottles. 😔

@colbypenn5104

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto. For anyone wanting to know more about David Shaw, Don Shirley, Bushman's Hole and this story, pick up "Diving into Darkness" from Amazon (or used on Ebay).

Damn guys, this made me very emotional. The planning was amazing. I'm so sad he didn't survive. I am so happy that it wasn't in vain and both bodies were retrieved. Remarkable courage and selflessness from the entire team, but Shaw's commitment and courage is beyond. I didn't see your original video, but I praise you, Gus and Woody for correcting yourselves and sharing this whole story. He should be positively remembered. I hope the parents and Shaws family have peace. I think I would struggle with the guilt, even though it was something he wanted to do. Personally, I wouldn't want someone to risk their lives like this, even to retrieved a loved one that I lost. I would have been devastated...

@tristantzara9496

2 жыл бұрын

😍🥰

I think it is awesome you guys quickly corrected the story of David Shaw's last dive. It shows how much respect and care each diver takes for each other. Thank you for getting it right.

Woah, thank you for doing this...I salute you with an enormous amount of respect for your humbleness, your honor & integrity! 👌🏽🙏🏼

You guys should read the article about Dave Shaw's last dive from Outside - they seemed to have a lot more details about this accident than most people. It seemed like the problem Dave ran into at the bottom was the he was expecting the body to only be a skeleton (and would not float), but it was only the exposed parts of the body... then the head detached, so Dave had to frantically work to capture all of the floating parts, but then became tangled in the line. He over-exerted himself, and it's believed he died from carbon dioxide poisoning. He took on too many new tasks from his record dive... recovering a body (that then started falling apart), and hauling a camera with him was just too much.

@danielmembrillo6472

11 ай бұрын

After watching the documentary and then the footage - I agree with this. I am just questioning why Dave didn't immediately abort. I don't think he was of sound mind. Once he got the body (with an already crazy 2 minute limit) and encountered challenges - he should have immediately left. It really puzzles me that he continued to work so hard....

@jasono2139

11 ай бұрын

@@danielmembrillo6472 yup... He was probably starting to feel the effects of diving to that depths and was giving tunnel vision about retrieving the body (which he probably didn't expect to fall apart right in front of his face).

RIP Dave Shaw 🕊 ♥️ you were a real hero, and a strong person, most wouldn’t even attempt what you attempted. And I just want to Thankyou guys for an amazing video! Gave me info I never knew abt this case. Thankyou for clearing up the information regarding this case. Once again Love the content, and this channel is well needed, gives me insight on cave diving that I never had before.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

I’m so glad you corrected your info, I couldn’t finish the other video.

Gosh how was I on diving youtube for so long without discovering this fantastic duo! Am bingewatching your vids atm!

I'm so glad you guys did this! I'm not a diver but I know the true David Shaw story and I was so disappointed that you got it so wrong the first time! Kudos to your humility 💜🦈

Wow, such a heroic yet tragic story, can't imagine how those parents felt.....

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thomas, well said. Those parents lost their son and David Shaw trying to recover their son’s remains. Such pain.

Such a sad story. Thanks for doings this guys. I know for sure David would have really appreciated your input. Thanks mate.

I really appreciate the amount of respect yout two have for our fellow divers. You're both good men, and I thank you for your efforts to share and memorialize the deaths, rescues, and rescue attempts of those who are important to you and the diving community, as well as their families and friends of course. Please keep up the great work. You're both very much appreciated. Best wishes to you both,

Much respect for correcting the errors made previously. You did it right! That said, I still have a lot of questions regarding Mr. Shaw and, despite his amazing record, his diving ability/experience. As we will hopefully know, there is a tremendous difference between actually planning for a recovery, and apparently planning for it well (despite results,) and actually having recovery experience. I would like to know if David's team actually ever consulted any recovery experts. I suspect possibly so. Perhaps they did not like the advice they were given. Something very interesting occurred to me after watching Dave Not Coming Back... His wife made a comment that before his record, diving was a fairly recent hobby. Don S. also stated he never had to train David. So, where did David's experience come from? How much did he actually have? How did a whole team of experience, technical divers believe they could recover this body? Did any of them have actual recovery experience? It's a powerful, heartbreaking, and I would have to say, bittersweet story. Despite all of what I meantion above, I still can't say I disagree with David's decision, even if I know it was the wrong one. That's hard to come to terms with.

Could you guys possibly react to something about the Thailand cave rescue a few years ago?

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

On our to do list for sure.

@deaconstjohn4842

2 жыл бұрын

That's an epic and tragic story at the same time. There's everything...hope, fear, courage, sacrifice etc. it's like a story that tells what it means to be human. You should definitely do a video on that one!

You guys are amazing for redoing this and correcting it. Much respect, this channel is amazing

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

:) That out a big smile on our faces. Thanks.

Great video, guys. You're a great story teller. Had me enthralled from start to finish. RIP Dave Shaw.

explorers don't always get to come home. RIP to them all including Shaw 💔

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Patty, his intentions were pure goodness. RIP David Shaw.

Honorable men, just a heart wrenching an amazing. The work that went into getting Dion back for his parents. The love that Shaw & Shirley had for diving an others. Well it shows it what they did here. Both amazing men in ways some may never understand. Other divers do an anyone that does something on dangerous that takes years of experience to master. Like diving does. So many aspects to master.. I am inspired both of these men now I'm going to do more research on both men. Thanks for sharing this with us ✌🏼💗❣️

I check youtube multiple times a day hoping to see a Dive Talk upload. You guys are honestly the best human beings!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Awe, you are the best, well let me save you some frustration by letting you know that the next video will come out on Monday afternoon, so no need to refresh on Saturday or Sunday 😎

Thouroughly enjoying your videos this evening. You both are terrific and so great to watch and listen to!

I'm only an Advanced diver so I don't know all that much, but I really had reservations with Dave's Gear setup. The camera was mentioned as a possible culprit as Dave was unable to place his light over his neck, thus leaving it free in the water column to interact with the other cables. The biggest issue I have is the bag for the body, it was only when he tried to put the bag on the body that Deon started to float and turn. I feel like this was a miss-step. With the limited amount of bottom time and the effort required to bag the body, this was doomed to fail. It would take almost no air at all to slowly lift the body up to the surface, approach the body from the side, attach a float bag and ride up with the body to the hand-off point. I think dave wanted to personally deliver the body as an ego thing. Their was a lack of triage to this tragedy, too small a window, too few options, too little ability to adapt. If re-breathers do not allow for extra effort without becoming dangerous, why were they used.....

Much respect to David Shaw and his team for attempting such a difficult recovery but in my humble opinion, it was not worth losing his life over this. When people make a conscious decision to do something extremely risky, knowing fully well the dangers involved and they die, other people should not have to lose their lives trying to recover the remains. R.I.P David Shaw

@M_Duhamel17

Жыл бұрын

Agreed especially when he had children and a wife he was very irresponsible , cared more about an accomplishment and a soggy 10 year old corpse than his own living family

@annechris2677

11 ай бұрын

Rescue needs more than 1 person at maximum depth!! No amount of cylinders and divers will help otherwise. Don Shirley made a bad decision

Dudes! 26K Subs?! I feel like just last week we were celebrating 10K with you both! Super happy for you two. Keep up the amazing work!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for helping us get here. Honored.

So awesome to hear the whole story, my heart goes out to David Shaw’s family and friends. Thank you for sharing the whole picture! It makes the story even more interesting. Another great video 👍🏼🙏🏼 Thank you!