So flattered to see this! Thank you both!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Would love to do a reaction to some Dive Phase videos from BUD/S with you. Would you be open to tackle that one together?

@andyburris2555

2 жыл бұрын

Mr. strange * dark and mysterious himself!

@andyburris2555

2 жыл бұрын

Top 10 anime crossovers of all time

@MrBallen

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK sure!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrBallen what’s the best way to reach you? Our email address is info@divetalk.com if you want to shoot me an email so we can coordinate.

Mr. Ballen: Tells a 20 minute story about how deadly this cave is These guys: This cave sounds awesome let's do it. 😂

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

CAN’T WAIT!

@danniellesloane

2 жыл бұрын

As an Australian this whole thing is so exciting. Came here from Mr Ballens page. Great content guys, thank you!

@ah64dbeast37

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly my reaction to most if his cave videos

@nunyabiz3557

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK y’all are cra cray!!! 😳😣😂

@armandojuan64

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK They can dive in any cave without a single hiccup , they are experts who know exactly what they are doing , they plan their dives and dive their plans ( as Woody says ) and I'm sure they leave their egos parked outside the cave .

I don’t think you guys are scaring off people to ever cave dive , you’re doing exactly what you want , warning people that they NEEED the proper training . It shows people who aren’t trained what happens when you go beyond your limits. Keep up the good job guys!

@Aaron-zu3xn

2 жыл бұрын

the ones that will be scared off shouldn't be there,the rest will get trained and go with a buddy and take extra precautions the be safe

@handuo6301

2 жыл бұрын

exactly! This channel is inspiring me to become more interested in diving in the future, because it’s clear that very rarely do people just *randomly* die while diving, they die due to being under-prepared and over-confident. It’s actually making me feel better about possibly diving in the future, because I know that with the proper preparation and training I can be as safe as possible.

@thewhitefalcon8539

2 жыл бұрын

@@handuo6301 Same as when pilots do videos analyzing plane crashes

@badcornflakes6374

2 жыл бұрын

@@teeshark6584 okay lol

@teeshark6584

2 жыл бұрын

@@badcornflakes6374 yeah it freaks me out just thinking about being in tight places on land in a cave system. I would definitely spaz out underwater... now put me in a gigantic, wide open space only 10ft deep, I would go 20ft deep if the Dive Talk guys were with me. Hahaha

Mr. Ballen tries to study things before he tells these stories. He never means to be incorrect. He does an Awesome job with his stories. Love to listen to all his stories. Thank you for being respectful to him.

@TrackerRoo

Жыл бұрын

He'll also point out when he doesn't know something or isn't an expert. Very honest and informative.

@xyz7572

Жыл бұрын

Mr Ballen often makes up a lot of “facts” in his videos though to make the videos “more interesting”, and intentionally rewrites details, like saying a victim of a home burglary had a _gun_ collection when in fact he had a _guitar_ collection. He is not a reliable source and he spreads a lot of misinformation.

@47nafytraps10

Жыл бұрын

@@xyz7572no

@serenapolk4379

Жыл бұрын

@@xyz7572 Actually he doesn't a lot of these stories before he told them and 97% are true FACTS! IF you don't like HIM DON'T WATCH HIM

@maroda8094

Жыл бұрын

​@@serenapolk4379 yes and no. I don't think he makes thinks up, but his research isn't always that good

I wish I would forget all about MrBallens channel just so I can find it again and rewatch everything.

@stacin821

2 жыл бұрын

I made a playlist of all of his stories & put it on random at night (I have a couple creators I'll rotate through) to go to sleep on. I don't mind listening over & over though. It really helps me go to sleep 🙂

@baconator_shorts6211

2 жыл бұрын

@@stacin821 all fun and games until one of his ghost stories comes on lmao

@Chai-ot8iw

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@zkh-jh5tb

2 жыл бұрын

saaame

@hollywoodsaint57

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 ...dont worry bro...something tells me that if your a fan of the strange, dark & mysterious Mr. Ballen uploads content 3, 4, and even 5 times a week ...so you'll be fine

I suspect that a lot of people got algorithmed to this channel by watching Mr. Ballen. I'm pretty sure that's why I got suggested it.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

I like that word, "algorithmed"

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thankful

@saltfar

2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Ballen posted a link in the community tab.

@senseker1

2 жыл бұрын

Guess that’s how I found this video lol

@SLKRR

2 жыл бұрын

That's what happened to me, too. Been binging Mr. Ballen for a while now since I came across his channel, so it was bound to happen.

I dove in devils den in Florida (A cavern) early on in my diving..I stayed in well lit areas but when I got near to the edges I came across that famous cave diving sign design with the grim reaper. I stopped dead cold and turned around…I think that signs design is perfect..There is no “Please stop, we care” on the sign, it straight up says if you don’t have cave experience you WILL die. Even if you can’t read English the grim reaper is universal.

@Crafting_Through_Life

Жыл бұрын

If we’re thinking of the same Devil’s den/hole, I live about 8 minutes up the road from it. Not many divers even the most experienced government trained divers have survived through this cave. There’s no bottom to it because it’s like all the dirt roads around here, each one leads to another and before you realize it you’re suddenly in Lake City. So all the paths in the cave run several miles and the currents are so strong most divers can’t fight against it and just get swept away and eventually their bodies are found in cities up to two hours away, days later. Due to so many people losing their lives simply just swinging out off the long rope and dropping into the water and they end up going way deeper then they knew they would and they get swept off in a current, they closed it about 5 years ago maybe longer. A few people admitted to killing someone and then putting them in their own vehicle and put a brick on the gas pedal and off the edge they go never to be seen again. They have had all kinds of specially trained divers from the government to the military come out with a weight and miles long cables to try and measure how deep it is but none have ever accomplished it and the longest cable used could have went from FL to NY and it still didn’t reach the bottom. I do believe there’s old news articles about in the Putnam County news paper and possibly even in the surrounding bigger cities. I can’t blame them for closing it and I’m glad they did because to many little kids and teens would sneak out there and end up drowning not to mention the amount of drunk adults who would go out there in the middle of the night and obviously they had no chance considering they were highly intoxicated.

@valerierodger7700

Жыл бұрын

@@Crafting_Through_Life there is a Devils Den which is open to the public, a Devils Hole Recreation Centre, and then Devils Hole which I think you are talking about - lots of local legend about it, got sold (to a developer???), and closed off to the public (no tresspassing signs, patrolled, the whole 9 yards). It connects to the Floridan aquifer, iirc - but it is actually only 100-200' deep. It seems to be human nature to call something deep "Devil's Hole," because there's a lot of them around. Seriously, everywhere. The "bottomless" Devils Hole is in Nevada (Death Valley). The caverns are around around 130m (430') deep. A rescue diver, at roughly 100 meters deep, came across a siphon (formation with a very small entrance with high current into it that can suck you in and is almost impossible to get out). He put out a weighted depth line without finding the bottom. It is known to be _at least_ 380 meters (1247 feet). Scientists still don't know _how_ deep it is - but thanks to an earthquake (in Mexico??) which created high waves in the cave, they believe it is connected to a water system that reaches at least 2000 miles away

@updatedotexe

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't say you will die. It says you can die. Why tf do so many ppl get it wrong??

@bigbay1159

Жыл бұрын

@@updatedotexe /cry

@updatedotexe

Жыл бұрын

@@bigbay1159 /cry

No worries Woody, there was a 0.00% chance I would go cave diving before watching this, now there's maybe a 0.01% chance (rounded up). Love the content.

@houseofhobbies9695

2 жыл бұрын

😂 I’m the same way

@badcornflakes6374

2 жыл бұрын

I wanna go out and do it so I can prove to myself that I can do something I thought was impossible

@TrainerAQ

2 жыл бұрын

Nah for me I'm out. Screw that crap it's not worth it. There's no life down there anyway

@2FastM3CS

Жыл бұрын

Lmfao you probably couldn’t pay me 100-500K to even think abt it , these 2 act like this stuff is impossible to happen “oh you would have a line tied to the surface” as if a freakin line can’t be broken or ripped off ! Than your really out of luck

@brandonbuell3519

Жыл бұрын

Hard same. lol

You guys should try and have Mr. Ballen on to talk about what kinda diving he did with the SEALs. He’s a pretty awesome dude and seems like the kinda guy who come on for that! Great video guys!

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Larry great idea.

@msav1234

2 жыл бұрын

I second this.

@CaptainXanax

2 жыл бұрын

He said in one of his episodes that they used rebreathers in training. He also talked about diving under ships with not a lot of room to maneuver which sounds pretty terrifying. I'd love to see him on the show as well.

@mirandasmith145

2 жыл бұрын

Yes!! He is pretty awesome!

@doubleodie3813

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yea great collab. Ive been wanting to also see Mr Ballen and PoPoMedic do a collab, i believe PoPo was also a SEAL or maybe Army Special Forces who later became a cop. Now does YT fill time like Donut Operator.

MrBallen should have a warning label stating how addictive his videos are. Be careful if you haven't discovered him yet, or you may spend multiple nights watching his videos one by one... happened to me and not regretting :D

@sagenosnibor9173

2 жыл бұрын

I confess... This is true. 😄

@jennynogov3511

2 жыл бұрын

So true. I was missing out on my sleep.

@jakewest2524

2 жыл бұрын

Get a life.

@danielmarkle8823

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakewest2524 Seems like most people that insist on saying rude things online are probably too weak and scared to ever say something to a persons face...... just my personal opinion

@AUGRE12345

2 жыл бұрын

I'm fiending for that strange, dark, and mysterious delivered in story format.

He's describing the cave as it was when this happened back in 1973. It helps the listener understand the story better. I understand you guys want to educate, but we do have to remember this is a retelling of a tragic event that occurred in 1973 and not a modern diving educational video you're reacting to.

@caseyisme5136

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Everything was different back then, equipment, regulations etc. And yes this was a tragic event that completely altered those it touched. I know because they were my aunt and uncles. I was born in 85 so never got to meet Christine and Stephen but I grew up with my uncle Glen (my dad was their youngest brother who was only 13 at the time). People keep making judgments based on modern thinking.

@CaBobProductions

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for saying this! When he tells his stories, he's talking about exactly the info we need to understand the circumstances surrounding the one event. He doesn't usually waste time explaining a lot of "if this, then this" scenarios if it isn't relevant to the events. Yes, there is a proper way to avoid nitrogen narc, but they didnt use it in the story. The people in the story WERE guaranteed to get it because they didn't do the right thing. I really like this way of storytelling but I can see why its confusing.

@annabizaro-doo-dah

Жыл бұрын

Very good point. Thank you for explaining this.

@klake12

Жыл бұрын

@@caseyisme5136 Just saw this video so I'm late to the "party", but I couldn't help to feel during and after video so sorry for them. I truly believe they just didn't know better and small misjudment turned out to be fatal as it seems often be in cave diving. Finding you, a relative, commenting on the reaction video really stopped me, what a small world. Just wanted to wish all the best for you and your family.

@roninfermin6813

7 ай бұрын

Correct 😊

It's really really nice to see a channel that is able to provide commentary on another channel's video, without completely ripping them to shreds ruthlessly. You both do a great job at explaining facts or making them more clear, while also pointing out that the original creators might not have the specific training y'all have to provide all of the information about the different scenarios possible. I think it's very nice you do that. It's very clear you guys truly love what you do and only want to spread that knowledge. Before I found y'all's videos, diving in general seemed so scary and dangerous, but after hearing of all of the safety precautions/rules/regulations/guidelines and how serious they are taken in the diving community, my opinion has changed completely. My takeaway is: diving is typically only scary and dangerous if the diver makes it that way by not using proper equipment/training, not following the rules(like using a line), or disregarding multiple heeds of warning.

@cbarnes9808

Жыл бұрын

U can find everything he said in the story on Wikipedia. Even the two divers holding on to one another. 1973 Mount Gambier Cave Diving Accident.

@virgpa7321

7 ай бұрын

@@cbarnes9808so go read and stay of KZread

Also you'll notice in his stories whenever he shows a picture if it doesnt say (real photo) it's just a random picture that correlates to the topic. Any picture with (real photo) is from the story he is talking about

@rchltrrs

2 жыл бұрын

I love that he does that! I hate that a lot if youtubers use random photos for click bait and don't explain what's real and what's an approximation (or dramatization) of the truth

@jfrazz9729

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Felt John was getting flack for things that weren’t his fault.

@nicoleparreira1024

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say this

@timesfly1081

2 жыл бұрын

Took the words right out of my mouth. THIEF!!!! 😂 but yeah the real photo tags are much appreciated. Many you-tubers don’t take the time to little details like that, but viewers really appreciate them. 👍

@PurrfectMedia

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he is da bomb

@Dive talk At the time of this incident there was no lines, Diver's were negotiating dive's with the farms owner on a case by case basis and there were no regulations or training in place for cave diving. Insanely enough they did not bring a line with them as they had previously set up a line to the depth they were supposed to go to. The Shaft was not fully mapped until almost a decade later in 1984. The deaths at the shaft directly lead to the formation of the Cave Divers Association of Australia. They have an in depth pdf on this incident (i can't link youtube will delete) I can tell you more about the shaft if you like?

@meagancole8553

2 жыл бұрын

Umm yes tell us more about the shaft please!!!!

@louiscypher4186

2 жыл бұрын

@@meagancole8553 Well Mapping the thing took over a year something like 70 dive's totalling over 100 man hours. There has not been 16 deaths at the shaft, to my knowledge that's the total cave diving deaths on the limestone coast (or it just might be grant area i'm not sure). Technically the shaft has never been fully explored by man. Sheck Exley got the furthest in 94 he passed through a constriction in the big tunnel, but never reached then end of it. (So science dudes were buzzing around in the early 2003 but i can't find anything about them passing through the constriction) They actually buggered up dropping a bore line into the shaft and apparently it can be seen by divers in the cavern.

@spencerdunn6933

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the info

@Deadcops

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last ew wtf are you talking about?? Clearly she meant the cave stop being disgusting

@Deadcops

2 жыл бұрын

@First Last I saw it. It’s just not funny. There was no reason to make that joke in the first place.

Don't we all wish we had the same storytelling ability as Mr. Ballen? I know he doesn't always get the facts perfect but he's so nice to listen to. He could get everything wrong and I'd enjoy listening to him so much that I wouldn't even be mad. But he does a good job with his research and only takes a few creative liberties to set the mood 😉

When I did phlebotomy, my teacher showed us a video of everything that could go wrong if you don’t follow procedures. At the end she said “if you’re not afraid then you’re a psychopath.” She then went on to talk about how it’s okay to be afraid but don’t be terrified. In your videos, in the comments, I make a lot of similarities between diving and phlebotomy because they make sense haha when it comes to procedures, it makes sense! It’s okay to be afraid to go cave diving or diving in general but don’t be terrified, don’t let that fear debilitate you. You guys aren’t turning people away with these videos. If anything y’all make me want to learn PROPERLY how to dive to make it more enjoyable. Why go in the water in the first place if you are planning on having an unenjoyable time? It’s important to learn the procedures so you can HAVE FUN!

@kimu.6227

8 ай бұрын

I love lab people!

I feel like almost all of mr.ballen's cave diving disaster videos are part of his "people who went places they shouldn't have" series and they almost always start off with: "they had no diving experience but they thought it would be fine" or "they were prepared for a much simpler dive but decided to try something they weren't remotely prepared for..." These diving tragedies are generally the result of a lack of training, a lack of equipment or both. In short, they could have been avoided.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Agree

@Oskoreia

2 жыл бұрын

With most Australian Cave diving accidents, especially before the 2000's, a lot of them were because they were grossly ill-equpt or dived in a dangerous spot alone. The only 'modern' accidents were because of human error

@lisagray1418

2 жыл бұрын

True, but I just watched a MrBallen video where some very experienced cave divers (with plans in place) died from unforeseen circumstances.

@Frendlu

11 ай бұрын

​@@lisagray1418well, its like driving a car. Its very posible that you have an accident if you re not qualified o go ill prepared, but being qualified and very cautious doesnt make you inmune., just less posible to have an accident.

While in Air Force Special Operations, I worked with personnel from all branches from '88 to 2003. 'Mr Ballen,' a former SEAL, seems very typical of the stand up guys I worked with in those years. Hard working, little or no ego, and a great sense of humor. His stories are pretty damn awesome too.

@davefoley9602

2 жыл бұрын

He is the real deal.

@electrictroy2010

2 жыл бұрын

PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality .

I knew nothing about cave diving before watching Dive Talk and Mr.Ballen. It is the most terrifying thing I can imagine and makes me have incredible respect and admiration for the few that can do things like this. Great content!

We love MrBallens story format and we trust his sense of story telling. He gives us what we need to hear, stories about the dark and the creepy side of life.

Im here because of Mr. Ballen! I was never really interested in cave diving until hearing his stories…I don’t think he is making us scared but conveying the difficulty and respect it deserves, that it’s not just a fun activity but that it requires a lot of training and experience. It is really amazing what you guys do! Much respect!!

@a7xzombiekiller-130

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Nothing wrong with having a healthy amount of fear for something.

@lilletrille1892

2 жыл бұрын

I would argue you should be scared if you are not trained properly. I am an avid recreational diver and know to stay away from those kinds of environments because I don't have the necessary training. Sadly too many don't and the scuba community loses divers every year because someone decides to enter caves and wrecks without the training.

@angieholguin244

2 жыл бұрын

Very well said! 💯% agree

@electrictroy2010

2 жыл бұрын

PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality .

@tatepearce7898

Жыл бұрын

Same same Mr Ballen' is the reason I'm here to now I'm in awe of cave diving and dry caving it's cool to watch.

Ballen's videos have never made me think "Wow! I'm never going to do that!" (My extreme claustrophobia is going to keep me out of underwater caves.) What I get from his stories is, if you're going to do something this dangerous, train with a professional and take one along as well! His stories are really about people who broke the rules, and the consequences.

@mandalynn410

2 жыл бұрын

It's so crazy how many people do. They don't put signs up for no reason some one did something bad.

@jaimeemallard1595

2 жыл бұрын

His videos make you very aware that you cannot just chuck on some tanks an go wherever an do whatever 🤣 I've actually been so much more educated just by listening to his story's, 🤦‍♀️🤣 had no idea tbvh

@MrTwinart

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Mr. Ballen narrates with accuracy and caution

Although this tragedy was a while ago it's great to see my town being recognised, there are so many unique geographical features, in fact one of the movies you guys reviewed (Sanctum, 2011) many of the underwater scenes were shot in our local caves. I saw your interest in visiting here in the future and I can proudly say that you guys will love every minute of it. There are hidden caves within the pine forests that surround the region, only shared by small groups of divers, and the town itself sits upon hundreds of limestone sinkholes and cave systems, waiting to be explored. Thank you for reviewing this video, it was a great watch and a funny feeling as it is only a 10m drive away! If you are considering visiting I am more than happy to help out with locations, facts, absolutely anything. Cheers from the Limestone Coast! : )

Really found this video fascinating as you analyze Mr. Ballen's tragic dive story. I like how you stress the safety aspects of this sport. Like any serious activity, such as shooting, consciously following the safety rules pretty much guarantees that everyone has a fun and memorable experience.

@electrictroy2010

2 жыл бұрын

PER USUAL MR BALLEN MADE-UP DETAILS that didn’t actually happen (according to survivor interviews). That’s called fiction, not reality .

Me ballen is genuinely an awesome person. How many other youtubers would report your channel, crying about copyright. Mr Ballen said this is cool! Thank you! I have a lot of respect for Mr Ballen Edit… And he is supporting your vid on his community tab!

@ryanmcmahon8648

2 жыл бұрын

Like mrballen said in a video way back his a huge fan of this content and so are we, he just happens to be the king of telling them to us. One big happy family. I’ve never once seen a negative comment on any of his videos, if it was I truly believe “his KZread family” would destroy them lol

@PINKETTJ

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryanmcmahon8648 that’s true we are all so positive and supportive over mrBallens channel

@kaleighbell6797

2 жыл бұрын

I swear, the more of Mr. Ballen I see, the more I respect him. Just a stand up dude with a hell of a talent for storytelling!

@deserthoney

2 жыл бұрын

Proud to be part of the truly strange, dark and mysterious told in story form.

@TooSixx

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t matter if he reported their channel anyways, adding their reactions makes it covered under fair use🙄

He’s retelling a story as written. He’s not telling it as if he, himself, has explored the cave.

@NoNameEst1992

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you gotta appreciate though he does proper research, he doesn't just take one article and copy it he makes sure he has all the evidence to give the facts

@johnny10grasp3

2 жыл бұрын

@@NoNameEst1992 his stories are not always on point.

@NoNameEst1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnny10grasp3 They are on point to the best of his knowledge based on the research he does... So he gets an occasional story slightly wrong, who cares

@johnny10grasp3

2 жыл бұрын

He also tells ghost stories. Lol. I wouldn't believe everything he says. My point is he has to keep you interested and that's going to come with the cost of bending the truth. Get it?

@NoNameEst1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnny10grasp3 I'm not going to get into a debate with you about his videos, if you don't like him and don't wanna watch him that's fine you do you, and yes I get what your saying thanks for being condescending 🙄

You can't scare me off from cave diving because there was zero chance I'd EVER do it. I'm just endlessly fascinating that some peoples' recreation is my personal nightmare. Love the videos!

The cave diving video on Ask a Mortician is what led me to Dive Talk (I'm assuming that's the video referenced though it's not viewable anymore). She may not know a lot about diving, obviously, but she knows her corpses, and now I am loving this channel as well

@rdred8693

3 ай бұрын

"She knows her corpses" hahaha. I can see her obituary now.

As far as this genre of KZreadrs go, Mr ballen is probably one of the best. He's not as click baity, nonsensical creepy pasta type channels. But still, as a story teller he suspends disbelief and uses embellishments to really grasp your imagination. Him and WATOP are the few who I can give a bit of leniency to, where as the other 99% are obnoxiously full of BS and appeal to 12 year Olds.

@kendawgmillionaire2191

2 жыл бұрын

If you’re into true crime/scary story telling I would strongly suggest checking out Lazy Masquerade. He’s one of the few good ones left as well.

@hereallyfast

2 жыл бұрын

WATOP?

@ChickenFerLei

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it’s nice to watch an actual channel for adults😂

@DubSly13

2 жыл бұрын

@@hereallyfast I think just "watop" is the channel. It looks popular

@BJSepuku

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it's still the case, but a few months ago he was regularly uploading videos like "Top X stories that sound fake, but are true", but only when you checked the sources you'd notice that they were based on unverified Reddit comments.

I believe this particular dive was in the 1970s. Safety techniques and gear have dramatically improved since then. So when he tells this story, its based on that time.

@lilletrille1892

2 жыл бұрын

Well, nitrogen narcosis, air consumption and the other ways the depth affect the diver is still the same

@danielle6002

2 жыл бұрын

@@lilletrille1892 Yes, but I think this comment was in relation to them questioning people not laying a safety line through the second and third stage

@mayalackman7581

2 жыл бұрын

While your right I do feel MrBallen should have made it more clear that he was describing things as they were, not as they are.

@Dodgers-sw2uk

2 жыл бұрын

Mr Ballen leaves out key information if he believes it will make the story seem scarier. I loved his videos in the past until I started seeing him cover stories that I was very familiar with. It’s not a coincidence that every time he leaves out important information it seems to make the story scarier not less

@ccramit

2 жыл бұрын

I was just about to comment this. This particular event happened in 1973, and at that point, divers had not regularly been down the deeper sections of the cave. Describing the cave as it was in 1973 helps put the audience in a better mindset when thinking about these events and the choices these people made. Had he had to interrupt his story everytime he recalled something that is there today that wasn't there in 1973, the story probably wouldn't be as good. Or if he had to go into detail about how everything in diving is pretty much different to what it was in 1973. This isn't a diving technique and equipment video, it's a morbid tale of a tragic event.

This is just my personal opinion, but as I was learning to dive I realized I found something that truly terrifies and amazes me. I think it's healthy for all divers (or want to bes) to have a dose of fear. It helps make sure you aren't taking risks, thinking about what if things go wrong, and ultimately you properly prepare. No way in hell do I want to be caught with not enough air, lost, or hurting/killing one of my dive buddies bc of a stupid mistake/risk I made.

This one broke my heart. That big smile and bright eyes on Christine’s face as she prepared to go down the rabbit hole. ☹️

Everyone is great on the vid, Mr.B states that the story of the diver's that first went in the cave was in 1973. Big difference from today's standards..

@bankait_rex1860

2 жыл бұрын

But one thing that people are forgetting, is that he is talking about people that did not have the experience that this guys have, he is very clear on telling us if you do not know what your are doing get the hell out. Simple and most of the stories about caves get bad cause they are by people that did not have the experience to deal with the cave.

@Dharmarenee

2 жыл бұрын

When telling these stories from the past MrBALLEN should just state there is technology available today or when technology became available.

@joshkleifgen6525

2 жыл бұрын

I came here to say exactly that.

@Bushkaboo

2 жыл бұрын

The Shaft is near Mt Gambier in South Australia. It was a popular cave to dive in during the 60s and 70s.

@Rubycon99

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. Granted, I'm not a cave diver, but I was just personally relating it to how far firearms safety has evolved over the years. Someone who was incredibly competent and experienced with shooting would probably see no problem with keeping his finger in the trigger guard in the 1920's.

I think the one thing you guys glossed past is WHEN this story was taking place in the 70's. I'm not a diver and can't speak to the differences but some of his picture's are just random photos, he labels actual photos from the story with "(real photo)" and there very well may not have been a guide at the time. Love the channel and love the video, keep up the good work!

@ScarfaceVTG

2 жыл бұрын

He’s showing real photos of the cave, not real photos of the story.

@keithwebb9839

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScarfaceVTG yes, the ones labeled "real photo" are the ones of the cave. The others are stock images of different caves.

@znLi7

2 жыл бұрын

yeah its actual photos of the cave not of the actual event

@ryanmcmahon8648

2 жыл бұрын

Yea the thing I don’t like about a lot of reaction videos is talking during it or pausing a 100 times. These guys did pretty good on that, couple times they were talkin and missing information and I’m not positive but you mentioned it being in the 70s, mrballen said that and they were talkin. It happens but I thought the same thing but like you I’m not a diver. Maybe in the 70s they all had guidelines I don’t know. I’ll hit up google later but probably not. 😁

I've watched every MRBALLEN video , so I found Dive Talk through you guys reacting to his videos, not a diver, but also, love this channel, very interesting and entertaining! I died laughing at your comments about not embracing each other! Great show! I'm learning a lot! Thanks for this awesome channel! Look forward to watching more!

I'm addicted to ADVENTURES WITH PURPOSE and I stumbled across your videos. I'm terrified of water, in some ways. I've also been studying water disasters for decades, probably doesn't help. Anyways, you all are just FASCINATING! Stay safe out there!🙏🙏🙏🙏

Mr Ballin, story is very old (1973). Back when the cave was first discovered. Things that modern divers do, wasn't the normal in the time frame this story is about.

@teabaggins3517

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Almost all sports came a long way since then. Can't even compare. I don't think there was a cave diver license in 73, and at that time people were basically climbing everest in flip flops and racing cars without seat belts.

@KaraKobold

2 жыл бұрын

thats what bothered me, these guys being stupid and not listening to years and dates about the story and judging it, like it was a story from 2173 instead. and yes i intended to say 2173.

@hannahpumpkins4359

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, back then we'd get knocked unconscious and a friend would smack us around until we came to, and then we'd get up and walk it off. Helmets, shemlmets! Got a broken bone sticking out through your skin? Back then we'd just grab it and shove it back in and wrap some string around the limb to keep it in. Back then we'd smoke 23 packs of unfiltered Camel cigarettes per day, and we coughed up our lungs and we liked it. We'd lose the softball game and people would boo us, and we liked it. We'd start drinking a Coke out of a bottle at night but not finish it, so we'd put it on our nightstand and drink the rest of that warm backwash the next morning. We'd eat steak for dinner every night, and when we had a heart attack we'd nurse ourselves back to health by eating even more steak. But now days you kids have gone all fluffy - let me get a participation trophy for you. Maybe a nice stuffed neon-rainbow Unicorn for you?

@kewlztertc5386

2 жыл бұрын

@@hannahpumpkins4359 I want a neon rainbow stuffed unicorn 🦄. 😂

@LaynieFingers

2 жыл бұрын

@@kewlztertc5386 Me too!

I think the part of this story that really sticks with me is that part about Larry seeing John swimming the wrong direction and knowing that John couldn't be saved. That had to be an overwhelming feeling for Larry to see someone still alive but who was obviously about to die.

As a diver (not cave certified) I appreciate what you guys do. Thank you for trying to educate people.

I really enjoy your reaction videos, watching all of ballens videos I thought cave diving was so scary and insane to do, but after you guys break it all down it makes more sense that majority of accidents happen when people are not taking the proper precautions.

One thing you have to remember when watching Mr.Ballen is only relaying the information that’s available for that particular story and retelling it in story format. And yes I’m a huge fan of the Strange, Dark and Mysterious delivered in story format. I honestly wouldn’t criticize Mr.Ballen judging by what the like button on his channel goes through.😂

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Michael, we think he does an amazing job as well.

@bridget1138

2 жыл бұрын

Oh that poor like button, someone should start a gofundme to pay for its therapy sessions lol

@reneed3094

2 жыл бұрын

That poor like button has gone through hell with MrBallen lol

@glumsulk

2 жыл бұрын

Alot of his posts are extremely clickbaity though. Thass just a fact.

@michaelschauf3542

2 жыл бұрын

@@glumsulk why you gotta lie. 😂

Mr. Ballen: Who would believe after I warned people not to go, two KZreadrs decided to go and it didn't go well. But first, if you like the dark story telling format, invite the like button out for a camping trip, and when they agree, leave without them.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Yikes.

@defenseagainststalking

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK Lol. A little dark humor there. But please, by all means, don't go.

@pollypockets508

2 жыл бұрын

Noice

@rustyAF

2 жыл бұрын

Well I watch too much. I read that in his voice

@raj_srikar

2 жыл бұрын

@@defenseagainststalking better wish them luck, than insisting them not to go. They're passionate divers. As you may have noticed from the video, they've pointed out many diving rules that were violated by those divers. These people will definitely follow all the safety measures as they're clearly aware of what could go wrong ;)

I’m not a cave diver and appreciate your expertise. Reality is stranger than fiction. Keep up the awesome work and can’t wait for you to tell your story (with pictures) of that farmers hole in Australia. 🙏🏻❤️

This was really interesting. Like I would love to go diving. But I have a phobia of open water and of water over my head from an almost drowning incident. So hearing two experienced divers talk about the accuracy of lack thereof almost feels like reading a book.

Keep in mind, unless a photo in a MrBallen video says "REAL PHOTO", it is a stock photo and not specific to the incident being discussed. I do really enjoy his work, though. I'm glad you've included it.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

10-4

Now THAT'S a crossover. I've commented about Dive Talk in that vídeo on Ballen

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much.

@KelseyyRachel

2 жыл бұрын

I was so stoked when I saw the thumbnail

@riddlzbtk6092

2 жыл бұрын

I did the opposite.. I commented on dive talk to do a Mr ballen vid haha

@riddlzbtk6092

2 жыл бұрын

Yess been waiting for this...i was one of those asking to do this... Thank you from Aus

I am advanced open water so far and have started watching Dive Talk and Blue World. I seek out material like this to educate myself on things prior to getting my cavern then cave certs. The commentary doesn't scare me. It teaches me what can happen if you break the rules. I always follow the rules. Do it safe or not at all and for the love of god, make sure you are trained.

So glad you guys are giving exposure to the sport and the education to give new divers a real look into the reality of the complexity of cave diving.

Cave diving, in the words of Christopher Titus; "It's just like anything else, you FOLLOW THE RULES. You don't put a heart patient on a rollercoaster, you don't take a mental patient on a hunting trip with ya!"

@deserthoney

2 жыл бұрын

At first it made me laugh when I read this. Then I started shaking my head, this is so so true. 👍

@droolies7079

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I used to dive and it took all I had not to panic on a dive off the Cayman Islands. Sold my gear right away - no longer interested. Can watch these vids with interest but still no desire. BTDT got the koozie, t-shirts and I’m happy on the boat lol. I now use that panic control for getting old lol it ain’t for wimps either lol Edited to add - my buddy was enraged. Until other divers came back early nausea the water was full of barracuda. No I didn’t see them - but it’s very disconcerting to feel hunted. Yes Mr Ballen is very accurate with few exceptions. and . . . Never Ever EVER give up

@teeb2681

2 жыл бұрын

A mental patient on a hunting trip lmfao! Sounds like fun😂

@KSakamoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@droolies7079 the barracuda weren’t hunting you. But it’s fine to recognize what is and isn’t for you, good for you for knowing your own limits

Yo I’m sure cave diving is sick but going underwater without gills just doesn’t vibe with me.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Understood and fair.

@elizabethharttley4073

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that way for years till i finally signed up for lessons. With a master diver to instruct and encourage its amazing. SCUBA=self contained underwater breathing apparatus

@hollywoodsaint57

2 жыл бұрын

Watch Waterworld with Kevin Costner...we will evolve 🤣

There are no words for how TERRIFYING this ENTIRE situation is!!

I just discovered your channel, and I can't stop watching! Thanks for sharing your experience and insight into cave diving. I have an open water certification, and I love diving in the Caribbean on reefs. I get my face underwater, and no matter what is happening at the surface I feel chilled out and peaceful--there are no words to describe this feeling. I'm not sure I could ever be a cave diver, though. I do think it would be fun to see a video from you that talks about what you would need to do to become certified as a cave diver, and maybe some "war stories" about successful dives and interesting experiences you've had. Also, I'm a big fan of Mr. Ballen!

I'm guessing that the guys are asking why no one has EVER laid lines in stage 3. Not asking why there weren't lines already. The divers who found it were novices. It was also in the 1970's...so much has changed in cave diving and diving in general since then.

@matthewguerra5410

2 жыл бұрын

That and the divers in the story were open water divers not cave divers, so they weren't ready with lines etc...

@hicknopunk

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, they are making a lot of modern assumptions. I used to explore caves in eastern oregon, many unmapped. I literally don't know how I survived it to be honest. Twice I had both flashlights die on me, in ice caves (full of water) and had to feel my way out. One i new i had to skirt a several hundred feet drop off, only feeling my way...and holy shit, that was a wake up call to have 3 flashlights + extra batteries. Freezing water really sucks in the pure dark. It sucks hard.

@omniexistus

2 жыл бұрын

@@hicknopunk ur hardcore man

@hicknopunk

2 жыл бұрын

@@omniexistus maybe. It is more a misspent youth exploring all of oregon. Eastern oregon has a TON of caves in the desert. At least then most were marked in books, but offered no info as to what was in the cave, dangers, etc. The caves often had a lot of bees living at the opening, I cared more about getting past them than cave danger 🤣 if you are going caving, also take things you might not think of like enough water for a day, hand warmers (great if the water is deeper than you think) and paper + pen incase you get stuck and die or just want to make your own maps of the inside. You can mark your path by tearing the paper too. It stands out on a flashlight.

@h.a.l.3980

2 жыл бұрын

@@hicknopunk I mean you should say what era the story occurs in. It obviously adds important context. It isn't on the viewer to look these things up.

A viewer here from MrBallen’s channel: This is really cool seeing somebody else react to his video, especially people who are more knowledgeable about the subject than myself. Every person who tells a story is going to put their own spin on it, but his stories do seem to have a heavy focus on being truthful and respectful. I have also seen most of his cave diving stories, and I think hes trying not to scare people away from the activity as a whole. He always mentions that it’s dangerous *without the right equipment and certification* which I think is very important to do, but I never get the sense that he’s even accidentally scaring people away from doing the activities properly. I would love to see you guys collab. Maybe you can give him some more information to make his cave diving stories as accurate as possible since he does have a TON of diving stories.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the encouragement.

@donnybrook8824

2 жыл бұрын

He’s a Navy Seal, I’m pretty sure he knows a thing or two or three or four about diving.

@dirtnapz4488

2 жыл бұрын

@@donnybrook8824 doesn’t mean he couldn’t learn a 5th or a 6th thing. You think even the guys from DIVE TALK here are done learning things about diving? I doubt it.

@donnybrook8824

2 жыл бұрын

@@dirtnapz4488 There comes a point where no one gives a blank.

@roolenoir3183

2 жыл бұрын

@@donnybrook8824 I’m sure. I think ( I could be wrong) that his preference for cave diving stories comes from his training. I guess he had a pretty hard time with learning to dive .

I love mrballens channel, I found your channel after researching his stories, I get so engrossed I have to go and check out everything I can find related to the topic because I like to clarify details. You guys not only saved me the work, but I subbed and am tempted to go learn cave diving

Aussie girl here 🇦🇺Ok couple of things to note: 1. That warning sign didn’t go up until AFTER this tragedy occurred! So it wasn’t there when this tragedy happened. 2. After the event the govt stated that all divers MUST be cave diving certification to dive in this cave AGAIN this came in after the tragedy. Even with all required permits and experience it is NOT recommended to dive there. Due to the drop offs silt etc. and lastly this cave is way way out in the countryside I think the nearest hospital is 4-5 hours away MINIMUM drive distance so if the worst happens there is NO close medical attention. All things to consider before trying it.

I watch Mr. Ballen all of the time and every time I see a video about some cave divers got lost died, I've always said to myself "why don't the run a line to find their way back?" I have never dived in my life, it just seems like a common sense thing to do.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Smart man

@serenapolk4379

Жыл бұрын

Because some people just don't they might do this because they are experienced diver's but a lot of ignorant and some experience diver's FREE DIVE IT'S VERY POPULAR TO DO I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY ARE TRYING TO DOWN PLAY DIVER'S WHO FREE DIVE BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DO!!!!!!!!

@christophermueller9764

Жыл бұрын

@@serenapolk4379 WHY ARE YOU YELLING THE SECOND PART. It makes you seem like you're full of yourself, or just childish.

Cave diving without a line sounds like rock climbing without ropes

@Graemedico

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like suicide 👎

@weswoodworth4604

2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to Alex Honnald

@killeralltires

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds worse honestly.

@bontrom8

2 жыл бұрын

So many complications beyond the normal human experience. You made me think of trying to accomplish a quarter mile sprint on one breath of air, blindfolded in a 3D maze without cardinal directions and your sense of gravity bobs around like a lensatic compass.

@ReapingAngel16

2 жыл бұрын

Free climbing is also only recommend for experts.

I’ve listened to so many cave diving disaster stories, but always felt like diving sounded so peaceful. Your commentary is actually reassuring that it can be done relatively safely. If anything, I’m more likely to cave dive because of your videos.

Wow, this is amazing real cave divers reacting to one of the best storytellers of cave dives validating his videos it must take an extremely brave person to do what you guys do

I’m a massive Mr Ballen fan! I do think he makes it clear that these tragedies happen when people are not properly prepared. I have only tried diving once, I was so excited to try it I really thought it was going to be awesome… and I didn’t like it at all I was so disappointed

@jakewest2524

2 жыл бұрын

@emma You need help then...

@ItsjustMerrick

2 жыл бұрын

Things take time to become comfortable

@JB-pp1kt

2 жыл бұрын

That’s fine Emma

@emmajones8715

2 жыл бұрын

@@lisafoos8976 it wasn’t scary, I felt claustrophobic, felt like I was really having to pull hard to get a breath ( that was likely me feeling a bit panicked due to the claustrophobia) I also could not get the buoyancy right. I would 100% say go try it though, make sure you are going to properly trained, qualified well respected instructors. I kind of wish I had given it a bit more of a chance actually!

@targard.quantumfrack6854

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmajones8715 It's not too late, is it?

I love how most of these stories can be resumed down to, 'They didn't have a line'. Never done cave diving, but from my short diving experience, and reading texts accompanied by getting certified, I can remember the 'line' rule from cave diving. Whenever I see any movie with 'expert divers' entering a cave, my suspension of disbelief gets wrecked by that question in the back of my head "Where's the line?".

@LoLFilmStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Sure but the biggest thing is the panic, an experienced divers knows not to panic when you’re blinded by silt and hold on to the line, these kids didn’t know what they don’t know. Absolute waste. It’s not about the certificate, it’s about the knowledge and attitude. One gets narc’ed and dives into the abyss, two get stuck in a false dome because they didn’t have a line, they didn’t even communicate the plan to check out the 3rd section to their (POV)brother

@electrictroy2010

2 жыл бұрын

“Lay a line” is good advice even when dry caving. It’s so easy to get lost .

I've watched Mr.Ballen's video before finding the Dive Talk channel and found it to be pretty good. I'm glad that his storytelling wasn't riddled with innacurate information :3

Subscribed. Excellent content. Thank you for not allowing content to control the commentary. You did Mr Ballen justice

The crossover I didn’t know I needed! I’m certain MrBallen is the whole reason KZread recommended this channel to me in the first place... considering I have never (and definitely after all the stories) will never go diving.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Andrea we are glad you are here and appreciate MrBallen a lot.

Ballen: At this depth you are guaranteed to feel narc'd. Woody: No, at that depth you are guaranteed to feel narc'd.

Not being a diver, far from it, having watched so many videos from you guys I am starting to pick up on all the things being done wrong from the beginning. This channel is so vital to new divers, even experienced ones. This isnt ever a pissing contest of who knows best or has better training. These unfortunate events happened and divers can learn from all the mistakes made by others. This way, they didn't die in vain.

Thank you for this video! I watched his video first questioning what he said now im super into watching you're videos to learn more!

I used to hate my insomnia but now I spend my wayward waking hours to reacting to your reactions to cave diving. Thanks a lot! LOL.

@krisly76

2 жыл бұрын

Ditto- insomnia issues here too. Awesome to have something new to watch for me as well. Mr. Ballen & the cave divers are EXTREMELY interesting 💯🎯👍‼️

@KellyBurnett138

Жыл бұрын

Same here, and I don’t even dive…

@krisly76

Жыл бұрын

@@KellyBurnett138 I don't dive either. I'm VERY into swimming. I'm too. afraid of sharks lol. I'm truly afraid, if I did, I'd get the "bends" & die IF not already shark bait. I feel better in a place- knowing there are cougars & bears. At least, in that case, a gun will make me able to defeat those... not pleasant to think of. Have a great day :)

I don’t like caves, I don’t like deep water. This is my darkest nightmare made manifest.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Ginger understood. They can be amazingly beautiful but unforgiven as well .

@missmiranda605

2 жыл бұрын

I'm with you sister.

@hollywoodsaint57

2 жыл бұрын

I love caves....the Man Cave 🤣 pool tables, a bar and a stripper pole

This is super famous in Australia, I have been diving since 1973 and one of my vivid memories is when Ben Crop (spelling ?? & 1975) came to our dive club to talk about recovering bodies from the shaft…. So graphic and tragic… since the. Sanity have been imposed by the certification systems. 1000’s of dives later I still will not dive in caves…. The shaft and other caves in the area are spectacular (by the videos)… if you are comfortable have a go at them…

I'm not a diver but KZread recommended the Chernobyl reaction series to me, which I loved, and I've been enjoying going through your other content since. I had no idea just how much math and intricacy went into safe diving, it's fascinating to learn about and I have a ton of respect for the amount of training and experience it takes to get to this level

Not all the photos are of that cave. Only the ones that say “real photo“ at the top middle or the bottom are actual photographs of this cave. The others are just photographs of beautiful underwater caves.

@joshuasmith4018

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he’ll often use “B-roll” photos and audio clips throughout the stories

Mr. Ballen always sights his sources in the video description. I was skeptical about the "they embraced" comment so I checked out his sources and found where he got it from. The actual article said "they were found in a position that suggests they may have died while embracing eachother." So Mr. Ballen didn't make it up but he did embellish by presenting a maybe as a fact. Thank you for reacting to the video I suggested. Overall what are your thoughts about this video and it's accuracy?

@DIVETALK

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Maya, I definitely don’t want to spoil the video for others by giving away too much but in the video we pointed out things he got right when it comes to cave diving and of course things we didn’t agree with completely, you mentioned one of them. Overall I think that one thing he proved is that you can tell an excellent story without having to inflate it with fantasy. The story he shared was a true story, and he kept us engaged the whole time. I will say though that this is not the only Mr. Ballen Story in the queue. And the next one may or may not follow the same level of accuracy. 🤭

@MWS1011

2 жыл бұрын

I still have a request from half the world. You say depth in feet, please say immediately how much it is in meters, you will make our life easier. 😂😛

@roolenoir3183

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not fussing but y’all talked right over him while he was explaining how 8 people didn’t ask for permission.... I hope you back it up

@dawnsully88

2 жыл бұрын

@@roolenoir3183 yes they need to pause the video when they talk instead of talking over him

@dirtnapz4488

2 жыл бұрын

@@MWS1011 if they are reacting to a Mr Ballen video watch in the bottom middle. Me Ballen tends to put this conversion in his videos as a subtitle.

I haven't been on a dive in over 5 years and now im planning on getting a refresher course as soon as i recover from surgery. thank you too for reminding me of an amazing hobby i somehow havent done in over 5 years.

This is very, very interesting and educational, I'm a fan of Mr. Ballen as well but what you guys are doing is awesome! Please keep this content coming. You guys are doing amazing!!! 👏🏻

I have been waiting soo long for y'all to react to a Mr ballen videos . He's actually the 1 that got me interested in cave diving and that's how I found this great channel

@msav1234

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. I found this channel watching mr ballen and found my interest into diving!

@emacias1473

2 жыл бұрын

I found my fear lol

FYI: Most of the divers who die in Mr. Ballens stories are amateurs who should not have gone in the cave. A couple cases of experienced divers (Usually trying extreme things for the 1st time--for anyone)....but poor decision making and risk management is what leads to MOST of the Diving deaths in his stories.

@seekthtruth

2 жыл бұрын

Yes and he also tells stories that are years old and the equipment and stuff is all different

@HELLRZR-nm3vv

2 жыл бұрын

Same/same people who go missing in the wilderness..

@jessicascoullar3737

2 жыл бұрын

Still very valuable for younger people in particular who tend to think themselves invincible and be attracted to cool locations without any understanding of the dangers involved. Most people watching his videos aren’t experienced divers. I’m not and had no real idea how dangerous it could be, though no longer young and brash enough to attempt things like this. He has probably saved lives.

@LittleMacscorner

2 жыл бұрын

@@jessicascoullar3737 Agreed!

Watching the dive talk videos really make me want to expand my knowledge and skills underwater! Big fan!

yup to the end comment you made in this vid, was just recommended one of your videos & got hooked & have been binge watching so many- thank you for the content! subscribed!

I hear what you guys are saying - about lines, lights, silt etc - doesn't bother YOU - as experts - but to us non experts these things ARE scary - and non experts do die because they do NOT know what they are doing and panic - as this and other MrBallen stories demonstrate (basically there are some real idjits out there, who think they're bulletproof) - I think all the cave diving deaths he's covered are from people literally - out of their depth - not knowing what they are doing, not prepared, not trained, without the proper equipment & precautions - as i said- idjits

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

Julia valid and thanks for the comment.

@thetoyodacar2264

2 жыл бұрын

yup. Unless theres a freak accident with equiptment or something else.

@samhosner2459

2 жыл бұрын

As we know experts die to so his stories are not as far fetched as your trying to make him sound. We love him so your waisting your time trying to make him look bad. Just saying

@juliaconnell

2 жыл бұрын

​@@samhosner2459 WHAT!?! wait - WHAT!?! look mate, you have got the wrong end of the stick here not trying to make MrBallen aka John Allen - former navy SEAL who I have *immense respect* for "look bad" - what on earth are you talking about not just as a "storyteller" - how HE defines himself - as a person, as a human being, esp as a veteran (yeah when I first started watching his channel, in the early days before it exploded into popularity) - I was 'who is this guy - he is awesome' - his videos have RESEARCH - real names - real stories - looked up their stories simply to find out more so intrigued by what he had to say who is he - MrBallen aka John Allen - former navy SEAL (*RESPECT*) - (as I have for anyone who serves their country & their community - and no, not an America) even more respect 'who is this awesome dude' - John Allen - coFOUNDER - former CEO & current Board Member of Elite Meet Elite Meet is a nonprofit talent collective that exclusively represents Navy SEALs, fighter pilots and other elite veterans - helps them find suitable work after they leave serving their country and community sure, occasionally an expert will die in one of John's stories - I seem to recollect (was it the devils something) - that even the expert cave diver who volunteered to go in and recover the bodies of the idjits who had ignored all warning signs, went in inexperienced, without the right training, knowledge, expertise, under equipped got themselves killed - even he couldn't make it out - that's how dangerous this place was - but no, idjits ignored all warning signs - - but the VAST majority are *NOT* EXPERTS - as I clearly said in my post - idjits who had ignored all warning signs, went in inexperienced, without the right training, knowledge, expertise, under equipped but clearly I was *wasting* my time explaining this - just WHAT!?! every single part of what you said - just WHAT what what WHAT? "As we know experts die to so his stories are not as far fetched as your trying to make him sound. We love him so your waisting your time trying to make him look bad. Just saying" you are making my head hurt "your trying" - (you're btw ) I'm not - whatever *this is* (your words - WHAT?! ) " waisting" ok - look I am obviously wasting my time here - if you didn't understand my first words... just I couldn't - not respond to this - whatever this is - (my head hurts) (and if you respond to me - I predict - well I'm going to post it there - on the new story I want to be listening to - instead of wasting my time here...)

@archwaldo

2 жыл бұрын

For your future reference ma'am it's "idiots", not "idjits". Take care

My two favorite channels together. It doesn’t get any better than this!!! Love you guys

@jailabrown1765

2 жыл бұрын

Yesssssss

@awalkinglick3rd3ye76

2 жыл бұрын

There my favorites too

@lucasszymanski114

2 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@user-yy4ux9zf4r

2 жыл бұрын

Same here

@codkungfu

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I’m not the only one who feels this way haha

Man I really love these video’s you guys put out. Learning the air and other stuff.

So glad that channels like yours and MrBallens exist to explain just how dangerous this can be but how incredible it is when done safely with proper equipment. Also dispelling some misconceptions about diving is super great. My first ever cave dives were in Sal and I dived the Blue Eye there when I was 17-18ish and only had my padi open water 18m and was in no way qualified, but i'd had a fair few dives nearby, was calm and understood all the concepts going into it, plus had a bunch of very experienced divers with me. It is a totally different experience to what people think its is so cool and so awesome to be down there you see so much cool shit, but theres this ever present uberdanger there that you forget about until something goes wrong. Not that much would've as it was quite a wide cave/ tunnel and it wasn't super long so you could kind of make out light at each end but when my partner's light and secondary went out and i heard their little tank bell it does make one acutely aware of just how simple it would be for it all to go wrong as it does in the story. Also ik it'll have been clarified since but he's chatting about a story of the first proper divers who had permission to go before the route was properly lined, dived, mapped etc.

With Mr Ballen videos, unless the pic says “(real photo)”, it’s not a photo of the actual site/person he’s talking about. Nice reaction!👍🏼

So weird how different things are now compared to 1973 when the story takes place. Seems a whole lot safer now.

@nicem8746

2 жыл бұрын

Does it tho?

Learn something new every freaking video. Great work to the both of you!

I have always watch cave diving on tv. To sit here and experience 2 cave divers reacting to a cave diving story is amazing.

This is low key the BEST COLLABE

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

:)

@mekasamba5883

2 жыл бұрын

I am so sick of KZreadrs that have nothing to offer than finding fault with others KZreadrs.

@DIVETALK

2 жыл бұрын

@@mekasamba5883 in addition to reaction videos we have travel vlogs, product reviews, dive gear tips and tricks, and a podcast. Besides currently being a KZreadr “finding our fault”, do you have something else to offer?

@mekasamba5883

2 жыл бұрын

@@DIVETALK No, I don't have anything to offer. Other than the obvious. I am sick and tired of petty B.S on Facebook. Get over yourself man...

@BunnyBHopps

2 жыл бұрын

@@mekasamba5883 are you lost? This is KZread.

When Mr Ballen said "nitrogen narcosis is virtually guaranteed", even though you implied he was wrong, it kinda also sounds like your response agreed with him lol

@RockStar_Love

2 жыл бұрын

It seems as if they are just looking for something wrong in his story 🙄 just to say "we are the experts in cave diving and you have it all wrong"

@Nilboggen

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottapache5041 You are absolutely correct. Everything they are saying may be true today such as having multiple lights and reels with ropes but this story as you said happened almost 50 years ago. And things were quite a bit different 50 years ago.

@gyver8448

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottapache5041 That's the thought I took from this too. They weren't aware of how long ago this happened. To be fair, I don't think Mr Ballen specified when it happened.

@leepurdy9069

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was going to say the same thing. They critiqued on what they expected to hear and not what was actually said. Then, the funny part, they went on to essentially agree with him. A trained cave diver creates his mix of gases based on how narced you want to get, ie affected by nitrogen narcosis. If dont right, it is a very low affect; but your are affected none the less, ie. virtually guaranteed to have it. That all being said, I don't think they at all were trying to be condescending. I have a feeling if they rewatched this they would see their mistake. It happens. It's why I always watch my videos before posting and if need be at least place a text overlay to it or record something later and edited it into the video. I think these guys have respect for MrBallen; so, not going to give them a hard time for this. Plus, like people have been saying, they completely missed the date; which had HUGE implications on the info he is giving.

@ghettostreamlabs5724

2 жыл бұрын

The issue is they missed a critical sentence when @DiveTalk were talking about stopping the video - that sentence was that the divers on this day were using regular air. Unfortunate that they missed that sentence in literally the time it took to say "lets stop it here" LOL.

Woody pointing out that you guys have never gotten lost in a cave definitely is a sure reassurance. You guys should point that out in more videos. Amazing video as always guys!

Really enjoyed this! It's interesting to hear from people who actually know how to do these types of dives, what's accurate, what's not...My one gripe is the assertion that no one would just "give up" and accept their fate--including potentially trying to end it more quickly. If you've had the training for that mindset, sure, but in this case (and the one mentioned where the person stabbed themself instead of drowning) they weren't experienced. They likely *didn't* have the training to have that mindset. If I were stupid enough to get in that kind of situation, where it felt hopeless, I'd probably try to take comfort from whoever was with me rather than be utterly panicked in my last moments. You can't really know how you'll behave until you're in that situation, so saying it's impossible or unbelievable feels a bit cruel or at least disingenuous. We know in other deadly circumstances, people have given up and just accepted what was going to happen/stopped fighting. Why not in a situation like this?

He has much more detailed cave diving stories. He has a very long one in which he details a Norwegian cave diving tragedy in which the survivors go back to get their friends after a first recovery effort results in further deaths.

@ChickenFerLei

2 жыл бұрын

He has a few different cave diving stories! They should do those as well!

@douglasnyquist2933

2 жыл бұрын

Nick, I'm a MrBallen addict and just wondering that if in the story you're referencing do they block the entrance so you cannot dive the cave anymore?

@The_ZeroLine

2 жыл бұрын

@@douglasnyquist2933 Yes, but i think there are two in which the entrance is blocked.

@douglasnyquist2933

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_ZeroLine well...now I guess I go hunting for the MrBallen story I'm thinking of. I want to hear that story again. That means I HAVE to binge watch MrBallen stories again. I'll probably forget what story I'm listening for. I can't think of a better way to pass the time driving a long distance.

@douglasnyquist2933

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_ZeroLine the story I was thinking of is #1 @ 14:57 kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoqo2NGSgd3Tpc4.html

This is my ultimate KZread “collab”. I know it’s not quite but just seeing the combo of two of my favorite channels coming together is amazing. Love that I found you through mr ballen and now watching his videos back I can spot the accuracies in them

You guys are awesome love the knowledge and appreciate you’re guys perspective. I watch your videos at least one a week

I am a dry caver in South Australia and know a number of cave divers, I think someone in my caving club has done this cave before. SA is well known for this but we have heavy restrictions as so many people have died in the Limestone Coast and karst region, mainly inexperienced non cave divers but not all of them. Also a lot of these caves are privately owned, the best dry caves on the Eyre Peninsula are private and a lot of the good ones in Naracoorte are also. The Mount Gambier and Naracoorte regions are definitely where you want to go for cave diving or dry caving if you come to Australia.

Ballins story should be called ‘How to effectively die in a cave’. Awesome watch guys, thank you!

I actually found you guys through his channel. It was the Dave Shaw story was so incredible it made me cry. From there, I saw how great the diving community seems to be. Ya'll have a great dynamic and I've learned a lot of interesting things here.

I’ve heard of this story a few times before, but this is the best explanation to where I could understand what actually happened. Also, love your commentary on all the videos.

This was cool to watch experienced divers give their insight on this and give additional information! I think MrBallen did a good job at respectfully telling the story of a tragedy that happened between a group of friends. I don't think you guys and him are scaring people away from cave diving, but rather you all are doing a marvelous job at warning people of how important it is to plan ahead and follow procedure rather than doing stuff on a whim. Alot of Ballen stories tend to follow the trend of people who either overestimated themselves or were too lax in following directions and warnings.