You have mentioned the fuel supply cost for the gasoline i.e gasoline production. But for electricity, coal also has to mine, clean and transported. you should have included that when you calculated the CO2 emission for the EV.

I live in Utah, which you showed in your video didn't even break even after a million miles. I'm glad to report that I have a 10 kW solar array on my home that I use to power all my household electrical consumption plus it powers my Tesla Model S which is about to break the 100,000 mile mark on the odometer! It feels great not having to pay for fuel to drive my vehicle around and it's icing on the cake knowing I'm not contributing to bad air quality, which can be especially bad in Utah during the winter. It's taken me years of saving and work DIYing my solar installation to get to this point, but it's a worthwhile goal for anyone else that's interested in doing the same thing!

The intro jumps around like a fever dream. I just woke up, sloooow dooooown.

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

You found my flaw in releasing this at 6am EST.

@jdshaf

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Great vid but my tired brain nearly exploded from the intro :P

Another thing to consider is that Coal itself is getting cleaner. In the area that I live, the local utility is shutting down all of their oil plants and all of their coal plants except the two most modern plants in the next two years, which are the most efficient and have the best emissions treatment systems of their fleet. Along with renewing their nuclear license until 2040, it should reduce their CO2 impact, not including all of the new renewable projects in the planning stages.

@UnipornFrumm

3 жыл бұрын

No,coal power plants are shut down,only in stupid usa companies still use them

I love the way you analyze and explain. Intriguing. Wish this had 1000x more views. Would like to throw some contingencies and see if you can extrapolate the resultant data sometime. Keep up the good work. Subscribed.

I had to do a double take at the number of views. 3.2K ? With this production quality and information value it deserves 3.2M at least!

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Petr! I was hoping for a better view count on this one too.

Gasoline production uses a lot of electricity which use a lot of coal as well

Making batteries will become greener as we recycle old ones.

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, I expect those emissions to come down a lot over the coming years. We could potentially reach parity with ICE cars too - especially since we don't have the complicated engine/transmission to produce.

@EnglishLawyer

3 жыл бұрын

Making batteries doesn't get greener the more we recycle them! Think about it. It is the process of making batteries that need to get greener.

@zygi22

2 жыл бұрын

It will not. Batteries are a terrible way to store energy. It’s better to rely on fossil fuels which have a tremendous amount of energy stored in them. All that storage had already been done by nature over thousands of years.

Great video. Great job laying all the details out in a way that is easier to understand. I also like that you toyed a little with our expectations lol.

What is the CO2/kg to get coal to the power station? You didn't add that to the power station costs. Also what about recycling costs?

Great presentation! Much appreciated! 👍

Cool videos. So one gallon of gasoline (2.72kg) produces 8.89kg of CO2? It is possible as gasoline is mixed with atmospheric air (oxygen) to create the CO2, though that does sound surprising.

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. You are correct. The C or carbon comes from the fuel and the O2 (oxygen) is supplied by the air. On a molar mass basis C is 12 and O2 is 32. i.e. the oxygen in CO2 is almost 3/4 of the total mass. This explains the increase in mass. Good point.

Great content! Easily my favorite educational channel.

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy it!

Sometimes like is not enough! Thank you - amazing video!

Emmission of coal mining and shippment to Power Statation also should be added to EV emission

Great video 😉

What about the impact to the environment when building and maintaining power scources? What is the impact of building a solar farm that generates the equivalent to a coal fired or nuclear, gas or wind farm power? Its not just the carbon emissions, its also about habitat lose, water usage and the mining of the components used in the construction of these plants and the recycling of the componants when the power plants are decomissioned.

Where I live in the Jersey c.I. , most private electric vehicles are being used with solar panels with battery walls and supplying back to grid . All our electric comes from nuclear and renewables from the french network . Nearly all home delivery vehicles are now electric powered , the drivers for ease of use , and companies for low cost of running prefer them to old ice vehicles . This system of using personal solar and batteries to top up the grid , seems a great way for the future !

How many parts (bolts) are used to make an ICE vs. an EV? Producing more emissions to make more parts. Another factor is maintenance and repair. What are the emissions factors involved in maintenance and repair?

Cost of production ice cars isn't equal to bev without battery. Electric motor is much more efficient in production than the ice. Less parts, lighter weight, more simple construction everywhere. Prius has battery and generator on top of the ice

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

You're correct on the complexity front. The potential for lower manufacturing costs for the rest of the EV was not discussed in the literature I found, so I left it out. I do hope someone eventually looks into that though.

Well done! Excellent informative video and I'm not a Tesla fanboy nor do I own an EV, but I can see myself owning one in the not so distant future.

@pamnuman1619

2 жыл бұрын

A awste of money

On these high mileage comparisons, did you account for replacement of the battery packs in the EVs and Hybrids?

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Good point. I did not. For the EVs (Teslas at least) you can expect them to last to around 200,000 miles (my somewhat educated guess). So yes, for the million-mile case there would be some replacing going on. I do expect that battery manufacturing emissions will continue to fall going forward so this impact will be negated somewhat. I should have included this for my longer projections though. Thanks for the comment!

@redbaron6805

Жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere I believe the data shows them lasting far longer. A study on the Model S showed that the battery degrades on average around 1% per 30k miles driven. There is early degradation that is faster, but then levels off. With that data, and assuming batteries are retired from EV use at around 80% of capacity, you are still looking at around 450k miles or more. Even my early 2014 battery pack is still comfortably above 90% after 9 years and 120k+ miles of driving. Data coming from the worst case scenario's where Tesla's were used for taxi use and fast charged 100% of the time to max capacity, the batteries still lasted to around 300k miles. I think therefore the 450k mile number is pretty conservative if anything, but then again, we are still talking about 30 years worth of driving at 15k miles a year for 30 years.

@jeffcranmer5374

3 ай бұрын

At which point they're still good for static battery use for another 20-30 years

@jeffcranmer5374

3 ай бұрын

Also, bear in mind that the UK has just one coal fired power station left. It gets retired this year, so the coal analogy is rather ridiculous in the UK

@spmcintyre

3 ай бұрын

@jeffcranmer5374 but it still takes loads of diesel oil and fuel to mine and transport the materials from the mines to the various manufacturers, then the components are also transported to other manufacturers for more processing and manufacturing, until the final stage of assembly, then that is also transported to the car assembly plant. Then the car is transported to its destination.

I'm only halfway through the video, but have you considered that Prius's are hybrids and thus partially powered by battery too? or is that too insignificant to account for?

@CrissaKentavr

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't, and it's not.

Why did your example Prius get perfectly clean electricity to charge its battery?

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

The Prius I used is a hybrid, so it uses fuel to recharge its battery. The plug-in hybrid would be a different story though.

Good job, this video includes more factors in CO2 emissions then most of the videos on YT. Greetings from UK. I think you in US should build more nuclear power plants to limit CO2 emissions.

@teranova5566

2 жыл бұрын

I have Skoda Fabia with average 45 MPG. After 100k miles it will emit 25.6 + 7.5 = 33.1 tCO2. And of course it is far cheaper then Toyota Prius (29 tCO2 / 100k miles). I drive 4k miles/year so my Skoda Fabia is the cheapest from the greenest options.

Very informative and yet easy for laymen to understand. Fantastic content! As you presented in your intro (2:12), emission can be divided into two broad categories: pollutants and greenhouse gases. As I've already known most, if not all the info, if not quantitatively, at least qualitatively of the things, I skipped/fast watching most of the part. It seems that on rest of the video, it only covers the "greenhouse gases" part. Nothing wrong with that. People just need to be reminded that the emission is more than just greenhouse gases. The many nasty stuffs resulted from burning gasoline have to be part of the equation. Maybe a more proper title would be "The Truth About EV Greenhouse Gas Emissions."

In the UK there are only like 4 or five coal fired power plants.

@jeffcranmer5374

3 ай бұрын

Now only one, and it gets retired this summer

Nice video

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Hashir!

Does a battery pack last as long as ICE (200k+ miles)? EV by product is dead batteries. What is the battery recycling cost?

so what about the battery components themselves? are there models that have scaled up their requirement vs availability to current amount of combustion cars? how recyclable are the batteries? what % of what metal gets extracted and re-used.

@CrissaKentavr

3 жыл бұрын

What percent of gasoline is recycled? Tesla claims a lower CO2 to battery than others, btw.

@leoSaunders

3 жыл бұрын

@@CrissaKentavr I guess that's a point. I mean if all calculations are correct here and this all gets combined with nuclear energy with solar/wind as topping, I guess electric could happen. I'm not up-to-speed on hydrogen fueled; I would've preferred to see hydrogen but that's not as hands-on as solar panels on your roof. Electric allows for more grid flexibility plus we already have all the infrastructure to deliver electric.

Thanks for showing how coal keeps some states from getting their EV driving clean enough to help. In other words we should drive Prius cars until all coal plants are replaced? Let's take it further: If we stay at coal power, or even natural gas, we're all doomed. There's the logistics of the ICE car to consider: Oil changes, filter changes, Coolant changes and all the fuel used to make and get that to the maintenance point. Don't forget the brakes. EV brakes last 150K miles or more. My mechanic said after 36K miles, my Nissan Leaf brakes were still "new". Think of all the material that doesn't end up on the road from scraping off the brakes but that's not part of the discussion on CO2. If we do not continue electrifying the vehicle market, we will not be able to take advantage of a cleaner grid if it ever does get cleaner. Battery storage and rooftop solar are the way to go, with after 4pm base load supplied with geothermal/nuclear(hopefully Thorium) power. Unfortunately it's too late to talk about it now. What's happening in Pakistan, China, and Western US with climate will cause economic costs that prevent investment in a cleaner grid. Then we have the CA Public Utilities Commission trying to shut down rooftop solar incentives before we even have 20% market penetration. If the richest state in the richest country on earth can't do it, no one can. All we can do now is head for high ground and get a good air conditioner.

Nuclear is not pronounced, "nukular" .

The best vehicle to get is a plug in hybrid. Your analysis excluded fugitive methane emissions. The amount of fugitive emissions is still being determined. A 3.5% leakage would largely put natural gas electricity on par with Coal in terms of GHG emissions. Even if it's only 0.5% as some in the nat. gas industry claim, when you look at the 20 year GHG potential, you'll find that coal is actually better in terms of GHG emissions. BEVs only make sense when the grid is effectively carbon neutral. And BEVs aren't as effective at being carbon negative compared to hydrogen/ammonia fuel cell EVs. Carbon negativity is required to restore our climate to preindustrial norms. Carbon neutrality is just the first step, not the final destination.

Im waiting for my Toyota Yaris Hybrid, feels good being more environmental friendly than all the teslas for a couple of km atleast.

You did count all the energy cost of getting oil out of the ground, leaking, transporting, leaking, refining, leaking, transporting, leaking, storing, leaking, transporting, leaking... etc? I didn't think so... And remember most of the energy used to do this is inefficient burning of oils...

Let's also talk about the wars and deaths that the war for oil has already caused.

many people said you should count coal mining to power plant co2 to for EV, for me that not really necessary. why? because for EV or ICE your grid power plant isn't change, it is still coal. no one gonna say that the power plant used specifically made for charging EV right. then some people might say what if the houses already use solar cell? then that also means you gonna charge EV with it too, are they gonna make the charger directly on grid? I don't think so, even more possible that their house might be still on grid for backup but the EV charger use solar cell completely. so what ever engine your car use, the power plant is the same because that means you have to count the house the owner live in, so it negated each other.

Why do you use commas for decimal points in your % graphics?

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

You got me. So I tried to change that but the graphics package I got must have come from Europe.

Forget the manufacturing part, what about gasoline with 10% ethanol vs charging cars. Which is better long-term for your average consumer? Someone like me can always take a Honda and add a electric differential.

This is the type of videos I like to see with all the number crunching. For ICEs, it seems like they've plateau'd. I suspect they won't improve very much. I guess one thing that someone could do to improve the fuel consumption of their ICE vehicle is doing an engine swap for a smaller engine... LOL!

So what happens to the waste created by nuclear plants? Isnt that an issue? AND how about the human rights issues ? The majority of cobalt in batteries comes from the DRC where child labor is awful. Is it OK to say we are good for the environment when children are dying in the process?

why don't you use air for stoning engine just like the air powered vehical

Don't forget that a Prius has a battery also. It should have more CO2 emissions than a strait ICE car. Less than the Leaf.

I have a question. How can 3.8 liters of gasoline produce CO2 more than twice its weight?

@chargeeverywhere

2 жыл бұрын

It has to do with the oxygen that combusts with the fuel to form the CO2. The molar mass of Carbon (primary fuel element) is 12 with O2 at 32.

@sakkarinkhumbamrung9499

2 жыл бұрын

@@chargeeverywhere Oh!! Thanks for the answer.

Plus battery production

Yes, electricity production isn’t all that clean yet, but I would say that it is cleaner than gasoline production, transportation……

Unless you’re Dracula, you won’t e charging your ev with solar on your property

Could graphene batteries instead of lithium be better for the environment?🤔

Most EV’s will have at least two battery’s in the life time of the car.

You included the CO2 produced at the oil rig and refinery but not for the coal mine and transport. They produce methane, worse than CO2.

I'm curious your telling me the transmission and engine are still included in the base body of the EV. Your numbers are substantially skewed. Engines and transmissions are the most complex components of the the vehicle.

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, and good point. I did think about this, but the sources I found presented it in the way I did. It is likely that manufacturing the base metals is responsible for the bulk of the CO2 emissions, in which case the quantity of metal in the powertrain is a relatively small percentage of the rest of the car. Also, the motors and gearboxes will require a significant proportion of the materials used for the engine/transmission.

The problem nobody uses coal to generate electricity anymore

As we increase our wind solar etc the electric car will start to look better. Also I don’t like breathing in the fumes from diesel and gas in traffic dense places.

So let's talk about fracking and oil spills

Well researched and defined. Unfortunately there are 7 neanderthals to date who can't concentrate enough to understand what you are saying. LOL

Today's EV batteries span from 28.9 kWh. Tesla 3 has a 50-75 kWh 360 V lithium-ion battery. This means a 6.6kW solar system ( max alloweed on a house) will on average produce around 26.4kWh full sunny day. So how can a solar system power a flat EV? !) 10kw solar staotage batteries are over $3,500 ea US.

People who say that EVs are not doing so hot - that 100km difference at kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKCnzbprl9eupJs.html corresponds to more than 2 years of a mature pine. Numbers have natural bias in your brain and we need to always keep that in mind. Just imagine needing over 220 trees for average car in the UK in 2019 - that is just to cover the difference.

Heh heh- You said Nucular. 😆

If you add the CO2 for production and transportation of the fuel to the pollution of the ICE, then you must also add the CO2 from mining and transportation of the coal to the EV. Without this your calculations are flawed in favor of the EV.

What if you buy a used Prius with 50,000 miles on it, how long would you need to use it before buying a new electric is better? Answer, never. The emissions are low enough that the chart wont cross over to make the EV better in your lifetime.

Coal burned cleanly from copper ignition conduction. Therefore EV has lees emissions than ICE....period.This is the fact your theory cannot dispute. Which is the reason it burns cleaner.

What happened to battery recycling after 250K miles it's like all EV cars are totaled after 200K miles. Also @asifalmeida3713 made a good point that you are biased against ICE since there's no exploration for Coal, natural gas or Oil for electricity. Further the mining for the battery is done outside of US with a much worse carbon footprint. By my calculations EV's NEVER make sense.

You forgot to mention the methane equivalent of carbon dioxide emissions leaked in the production of oil so that should also be factored in. Plus an electric car does not require the transmission fluid.

You missed the fact that coal doesn't come out of nowhere. I'm sure it's not much but it still has to be mined and transported.

@wojciechmuras553

3 жыл бұрын

Power plants are usually build just next to the mines. Sure, there are some emissions during mining itself, but after that it's generally straight onto a conveyor belt into the furnace.

In addition to supply-chain inefficiency, there is also the added inefficiency of en-route idle time. EVs and Hybrids don't lose much efficiency sitting at a stop light or waiting in line at the drive-through - ICE vehicles lose a lot more efficiency to this idle time, which isn't accounted for in EPA fuel efficiency estimates. Just sayin'.

@chargeeverywhere

3 жыл бұрын

Yea. I find it neat that EVs become no less efficient when sitting still in traffic. Plus, the stop and go energy loss is partially mitigated by the regen.

What makes an electric car go? Answer burning coal.

I charge my car from a gasoline generator which with the wiring to the car has 87.6% loss and so with my typical level 2 charger I needed an infinite number of kWh of gasoline to go even an inch with my car. I decided the best course of action was to INCREASE THE LOSSES of the generator to 88.6% by adding more wires and now I need -28kWh of gasoline (a little more? than negative 1 gallons) for every mile I drive. I'm making so much money just by driving. I quit my job and now I just drive 100 miles a day and it's enough to live on. Obviously this requires also living in the universe where your efficiency calculation was correct.

Explain to me like I was 6 years old: - what are you going to do in 50 years time when there is no more crude oil? Keep burning and you will have to walk unless you use another power source.

Great job EXCEPT there is a problem with one to one comparisons - Lithium Ion batteries are a constraint on production. It is not a 1 to 1 question. It is do you want 1 million Tesla's or 10 Million Prius plug or 8 Million Rav4s Plug in hybrids or 2 million Nissan Leafs given the few batteries made - The answer is quite obvious when you have this real problem introduced; so given 80 million vehicles made a year you can have next to no impact with full EVs or a significant impact with 8 or 10 million Phevs - this is key to arriving at the best answer for reducing CO2. When you rerun your charts with this ratio taken into account Plug in hybrids able to commute electric are the best answer for many years to come.

UK already has 0% coal electricity And UK was the first country to use coal in masive amounts

@EnglishLawyer

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the UK'S electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, mainly natural gas (42% in 2016) and coal (9% in 2016). A very small amount is from other fuels (3.1% in 2016).

@UnipornFrumm

3 жыл бұрын

@@EnglishLawyer i m talking about 2021 not 2016 bumbass

Please do not put renewables and nuclear in the same group. Unfortunately, renewables are a garbage, parasitic, intermittent energy source. This contrasts with nuclear which is a great energy source. It’s too bad, though, that nuclear energy is being stifled with crushing regulations that prevent market innovation.

Stop burning to produce electricity and job done. All you said is a waist of time.

You're ASSUMING All electric power plants are coal powered WRONG !

@CrissaKentavr

3 жыл бұрын

Did you make only halfway through the video?

@mrwhips3623

3 жыл бұрын

You clearly didn't watch the video. So I recommend you do that now then delete this comment!