It’s so sad how ice king had gone around stealing princesses all because Simon deep down was still looking for Betty who he called his princess

@oliviaurquizu8897

9 ай бұрын

I always had a head cannon that the reason Ice King’s favorite princess was Princesse Bubblegum was because she was smart and looked vaguely like Betty.

@sadie1368

9 ай бұрын

@@oliviaurquizu8897YES, like his first thought when he saw PB was that she must be betty's assistant

@guifdcanalli

9 ай бұрын

Also the reason of why he also had a preference for kidnapping Doctor Princess She looks like Betty a lot

@Chirrie

9 ай бұрын

@@guifdcanalli there was a theory back when betty was just mentioned that she was doctor princess

@EmperorJack1000

9 ай бұрын

Deep lore, very deep lore.

Considering how quickly Finn fell to the corruption of the crown, the fact Simon resisted so long means he has an incredible willpower.

@Mike77154

8 ай бұрын

or maybe the crown in a someway understand that him was the best man to use that thing, the only one that uses for saving others

@NoobsUnited9000

8 ай бұрын

I mean Finn was like a 16 year old boy at the time. And he didnt keep taking it off like Simon did

@GeraldEspinoza_

8 ай бұрын

@@NoobsUnited9000 the fact that simon was still able to remove the crown out of his head is truly a solid evidence of his willpower

@grapesauce5091

8 ай бұрын

Tru , considering he can take it out and on his head he still want to be sane so he doesnt hurt the people around him

@beauty1nchaos

8 ай бұрын

o yea farm world finn

Tom Kenny absolutely killing this new serious role after voicing spongebob for years and years

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

He also voices doctor two brains, a sane guy who gets an object on his head that makes him crazy... Wait a minute

@enti

9 ай бұрын

He's already said that he made the most emotional scenes in his entire career for Simon, and coming from him, a legend in voice acting, says a lot about how complex and deep is Simon's character

@leonishikino6873

8 ай бұрын

​@enti I'd say that shit too if I was getting paid lmao. This show is so mid.

@littlemoth4956

8 ай бұрын

@@leonishikino6873Bait

@ajay.adr2

8 ай бұрын

​@@leonishikino6873me when I lie

It’s all a tragic loop for him all over again, needing to save a child by turning into ice king as a sacrifice

@Jok3st3r

9 ай бұрын

Is Fionna really a child in this iteration? In her world, she had multiple jobs, lived on her own, and paid bills. There was also a scene of her drinking wine with Marshal Lee and Ellis. She seems to be at least 21 years old in this series.

@TheNaccist

9 ай бұрын

@@Jok3st3rshe 29 actually

@pro_crafter_12

9 ай бұрын

Compared to how old Simon is (I think it’s over 1000) Fiona is a child

@DaTrainMan

9 ай бұрын

@@Jok3st3r it dosent matter whether its a child hes just acting selfless again just to save something in a bad way

@alex6027

9 ай бұрын

​@@Jok3st3rShe's definitely not a child, but I can imagine how Simon could see her as a child. Simon's over a thousand years old. And even if you don't count the years he was Ice King, he's got to be at least 50

They did an uncomfortably good job of showing what post-trauma life can be like; sad and empty and seemingly hopeless.

@SuperBlablablaxxx

8 ай бұрын

yeah..

@Eacowind

8 ай бұрын

PTSD can manifest from numerous tiny things causing triggers that are near impossible to stop I feel for the guy

@premiumheadpats4150

8 ай бұрын

I wonder how he would be if Betty had survived. Or if Marcy was still with him. Why in the hell are they not together in Fionna and Cake?

@dane1382

8 ай бұрын

@@premiumheadpats4150 they hang out in Fionna and Cake. There's a scene where Simon calls Marceline on the phone, but it's evident that Simon didn't let her know that he was suffering.

@ElectrostatiCrow

8 ай бұрын

I think the Ice king represents dementia as he forgets who he was as he got older.

Simon might as well be spider-man. Cant catch a break, even in other dimensions

@clydrexezekielalzate9707

9 ай бұрын

Man writers really love torturing a beloved character with no good ending what so ever

@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506

9 ай бұрын

I hope he ends up happy in this show

@xenox5408

9 ай бұрын

Atleast he ain’t get cucked by a certain someone

@MakingYouMadOnPurpose

9 ай бұрын

@@xenox5408we don’t talk about *Paul*

@Lhlmarques

8 ай бұрын

what's funny is that here in the brazilian dub, during simon's first appearance in the series, he was dubbed by the same person who gave voice to andrew garfield in every spider-man movie so yeah, that's an extra point to your comparison!

The fact that Simon was able to resist the crown's maddening influence for so long was quite frankly impressive. It showed just how gentle of a person he was, and how happy he was with his life prior to finding it, that it took so long for his mind to break

@grapesauce5091

8 ай бұрын

What hits hard is when marcis tear became something that the simon created that hurt her, it was the opposite of his gesture from comfort to hurting

@smallw1991

8 ай бұрын

And even then he could never truly be fully controlled by it, retaining his search for Betty until he turned back into Simon

@JuliusGuruJG

8 ай бұрын

​@@grapesauce5091what

@pustota7254

8 ай бұрын

Your comment got liked 666 times.

@Mikey04251

8 ай бұрын

He managed to stay in control long enough to see marciline be a vamp hunter, he has WILL

It’s amazing how much of an important and well liked character with a lot of depth he became. He started off as an old crank who kidnapped princesses. Now he’s this tragic guy with a twisted past

@juliusnepos6013

9 ай бұрын

Yeah

@damiandavis612

9 ай бұрын

And the fact even when he had some remembrance of his past and his true self came to the surface only to be gone by his insanity he still trys to do the right thing

@lunacinnamon201

9 ай бұрын

Does in some way he getting lost to the crown, and marceline suffering, a analogy to someone getting a mental disease? Like Alzheimer?

@damiandavis612

9 ай бұрын

@lunacinnamon201 I think it's more like dissociate personality disorder since the crown was basically granting the first person the wish and it was Gunther who wished to be like his mentor so it basically overwrites the person's psyche until it get hit with a hard rest

@lunacinnamon201

9 ай бұрын

@@damiandavis612 thank you for replying! That makes more sense

Even after all these years, Marceline tripping in the snow calling out for Simon gets me in the heartstrings real hard

@IdkWhatToPutHere145

8 ай бұрын

​@nohlanfisherman5185 what?

@grunklestan1271

8 ай бұрын

@@nohlanfisherman5185what is this doof blabbering about

@bonk2935

8 ай бұрын

​@@nohlanfisherman5185what??

@NotAnAlternate1337

8 ай бұрын

@@nohlanfisherman5185what are you on?

@averagegenzguy2751

8 ай бұрын

​@@NotAnAlternate1337they might be talking about the Ice King's previous exploits

The fact the song on the tv is the same thing he sang while he was protecting kid marceline is just... wow

@bluemoon2773

9 ай бұрын

I didn’t even realise that. Far out

@kazzoey2868

9 ай бұрын

Woahh I didn’t realise that until now

@lbspartyhouse8265

9 ай бұрын

The Cheers intro

@PrismOpal64

9 ай бұрын

It’s from a real show it’s not that deep lol

@malmalfactor3544

9 ай бұрын

That song is the theme song for a real-life TV show called Cheers, which would have aired shortly before the mushroom war in the Adventure Time world. Where Simon lives now is a recreation of what life was like just before the Mushroom War, so it would have Cheers too. It is a nice callback, but it's not super deep.

I used to think Ice King was annoying, but now that his true self is revealed, it actually breaks my heart. All Simon wanted was to be reunited with Betty, and let go of being the Ice King. Now that he's back to his old self, the only thing people do is mock his pain and scold him for being a 'loser'. It also makes me lose a lot of respect for some of the Adventure Time characters. I was hoping people would help Simon move on with his life, not put him down any further.

@Teknanam

9 ай бұрын

I hope Finn isn't among the characters you lost respect for.

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

Its pretty sad to see characters casually mentioning Ice King in Fiona and Cake when it clearly causes Simon a lot of discomfort and pain, multiple people calling his insane kidnapping persona better than the sad man he became.

@slimslimee4411

9 ай бұрын

​@@Teknanamhopefully not. Finn genuinely feels concerned for Simon's wellbeing. His heart is in the right place to help people, its just that he hasnt realized or learned yet that his methods doesn't fix everyone

@barrondub1125

9 ай бұрын

@@slimslimee4411I agree. Finn is too extroverted. He is a hard core adventurer. Not a delicate scientist. The person who could help Simon move on is someone like PB, science guys, Librarians etc. Finn and Simon are on 2 different wavelengths.

@Aereto

9 ай бұрын

And also Finn changed when Jake is no longer around. Both he and Simon have lost someone close. Finn was able to meet Jake again. Simon on the other hand...

The ice king’s story is one of the saddest stories told in animation history, the portrayal of Simon leaving Marciline for her own good due to his underlying mental issues could bring tears down anyone’s face.

@joshuagraham2843

9 ай бұрын

its a representation of alzheimers in real life, people with alzheimers are afraid of hurting their families in order to far distance themselves no matter how love it goes but it wont work sad but true

@lga4187

8 ай бұрын

The mental health issues were definitely a huge part of it but I also think it was because he was making the world around him so cold that it was affecting her health. Simon's suicidal quest to get marceline soup for her cold in that one episode was likely a result of his guilt for his ice powers getting her sick in the first place. They make a point to show that Simon can no longer even wipe her tears without hurting her. This marks the third time that Marceline has been abandoned by a parental figure, which really puts the tragedy meter over the top. Her father was too maladjusted and immature to care for a human child and her mother became too physically ill and abandoned her to go die alone. Young Marceline was left with only guesses as to what she had done to be abandoned. It's important to note that Simon leaves IMMEDIATELY after recounting and grieving for Betty's prior abandonment of him after his first time wearing the crown. The thought of leaving Marceline is all mixed up with his trauma of losing Betty but he's too far gone to recognize it. So this scene accounts for deep seated traumas of abandonment being re-lived and reinforced for both characters AT THE SAME TIME.

@leonishikino6873

8 ай бұрын

>saddest stories in animation history Bro, watch stuff made before 2023 and you'll be fuckin surprised lmao

@lucio-ohs8828

8 ай бұрын

@@leonishikino6873Adventure time, then? The majority of Simon‘s story came well before 2023

@leonishikino6873

8 ай бұрын

@@lucio-ohs8828 if it came out before then why haven't people heard of it

Seeing how crazy ice king is next to Simon’s behavior really puts into perspective how pathetic he is. It’s horrible.

@ianr.navahuber2195

9 ай бұрын

And yet, Simon held to his sanity, at least enough that even in his insane "Ice King" persona, he was a "pseudo functional senile manchild with some displays of psychotic behaviour, in his quest to be loved". He could have easily become something worse....like what Farmworld Finn became... Or cast away what little moral he had to become what his "WInter King" self became

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

And I didn't even show the worst stuff he did! He once dropped Princess Bubblegum in a pit of radioactive goo, he accidentally summoned a demon that kidnapped Jake, and he even cut in line at the doctors office! And that last one was actually intentional!

@BrokeBot

9 ай бұрын

​@@beanogames7182Princess Monster Wife will always have a spot in our nightmares

@auburneytuckerson2959

9 ай бұрын

That's all Ice King's doing, though.

@Allen-R

9 ай бұрын

@@beanogames7182 forced beings into existence only to zap them away again.. in his quest for friends if I remember

It infuriates me how everyone treats him in Fiona and cake just because he "looked" happy when his own sanity was lost to the crown. Of course he's a sad old man after everything that happened to him.

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

You know who are also sad old men? The men who abuse children from Epstein's Islands

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265

8 ай бұрын

TBF they barley knew much about Ice King.

@robertwaksberg

8 ай бұрын

After they witness Ice King enter a manic episode on tape, Fionna does noticeably develop empathy for Simon and his avoidance of the crown

@maurisa514

8 ай бұрын

@robertwaksberg I know. I commented this before that episode

@flux.aeterna

8 ай бұрын

With trauma, it can often be that way.

Simon's story is truly tragic. Ive always wondered at the beginning of adventure time if anyone but Marcileene knew if Ice King was a human named Simon. I think the character of Simon needs his own spinoff to show the entire story of him.

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

A Simon spin off would be awesome and I'm so glad there exploring his charecter more in Fiona and Cake

@Master-Works

9 ай бұрын

It is just, when he got fixed, he got boring

@nathantudor5696

9 ай бұрын

Really? Did you ever think watching that first episode of adventure time with Ice King that he would evolve to have a tragic back story, become a father figure to a demon human vampire girl, rip time and space to bring his one true love through a portal made from a stuffed animal, be cured of his insanity by being digested by a god of chaos only for his true love to save save him by merging with said chaos god, learn he had an entire alternate illegal universe locked away in his head, and finally agree to return to the state of madness he endured for centuries to not only snuff out his grief but protect said illegal universe in his head from yet another god. Can you honestly look back at the child you once were laughing at that silly ice wizard and think any of those were gonna happen to him, and still have the gull to say he's boring? @@Master-Works

@ashyunderscore

9 ай бұрын

​@@Master-WorksWhich. is kinda the entire point that's being explored on Fionna and Cake. A fixed Simon who's losing his grip on life because he realizes he doesn't belong on this magical world. He's not boring tho. That's your opinion.

@Master-Works

9 ай бұрын

@@ashyunderscore His entire thing seems to be that he is depressed and misses Betty

I both love and hate how the comedic relief of the show became the most tragic character that you genuinely went from laughing at to someone you just wanna hug and keep in your pocket 😭💕

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

His tragic backstory actually might have come from a joke! The writers really wanted Ice King to sing "Daddy why did you eat my fries" but wondered how he would even know that song to begin with so they developed the Simon and Marcy episode. I might be wrong but I refuse to verify this information because I think its very funny

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

Say that to all the pedo***** from Hollywood who feel they want to keep those children in their pockets forever!

@Ave_Satana666

Ай бұрын

​@@beanogames7182I'm snuff bait I know how it feels to be simon

@Ave_Satana666

Ай бұрын

​@@beanogames7182 what's changes you most isn't the corruption its being the monster every one hunts. It drives you mad.

Simon's one deepest wish was to be married to his princess. Since Betty was already his fiancée that means Simon was THIS close to actually fulfilling it on his own. The crown's big wish was already granted to Gunther and it forced Simon to try and speed things up but the sudden burst of insanity made him incoherent. After Betty's disappearance he was able to focus on surviving and later raising Marcy. After being forced to abandon her, his one deepest wish fully takes over his mind. Ice King begins kidnapping princesses to marry, trying to replace the one that got away. The reason he obsessed over Bubblegum was because she had so many similarities to Betty. The tragedy comes from him already having what he wanted but the crown unintentionally messes it up trying to give it to him anyways in it's own twisted way.

@Dalton_Boardman2000

8 ай бұрын

@@nohlanfisherman5185 Fucking what?!

@SACKBOY123432

8 ай бұрын

​@@nohlanfisherman5185 What Epstein did is f*cked up, but it doesn't have anything to do with the video so why do you keep commenting about it?

@XxDigitalDaftPunkxX

8 ай бұрын

@@nohlanfisherman5185 What the actual fuck is wrong with you?

@rebeccahall8683

8 ай бұрын

​@@nohlanfisherman5185What the hell, man?

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

@@rebeccahall8683 Sorry, this is just what is happening in the real world and what so many pedophiles who have millions to billions of dollars are doing

2012:"HAHA ill never be like that ice loser" 2023:"simon petrikov is literally me"

@janzkee

4 ай бұрын

naw fr

Bro's the mvp. He's basically been caring the entire lore in his back

@burnt_0range319

9 ай бұрын

He is arguably one of the toughest characters! He saw the end of the world, basically became Rick Grimes on multiple occasions to protect a kid that isn't even his, while dealing with the loss of everybody he ever knew. Dude saw the apocalypse and his own personal hell and said "Fuck you! I'm gonna keep trying to get better anyway."

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

All the children carry all the pain in their backs when it comes to the people from Hollywood who rape them and conduct satanic rituals with them!

@johnarcher6150

8 ай бұрын

On his head technically, but semantics aside.

@grapesauce5091

8 ай бұрын

Fr emotianally too

one of the most beautiful things from simon is with golb. something about the way he comforts finn hits so deep. its one of the times in the series where you truly see how deeply kind simon is not just to Marceline or betty and what he says holds so much weight coming from him.

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

Simons not just an Ice guy, he's a Nice guy

@VantaDraws

8 ай бұрын

He’s a nice king

@The-dotted-one

8 ай бұрын

We Stan Nice Kings here

Poor Simon. It’s crazy to say this, but I’ve known this character for like 12 years now, ever since I was a kid I wanted him to be happy... I know he’s not real, but damn he’s incredibly relatable. Maybe Fionna and Cake can help him, I can only hope. :(

@erikeriks

9 ай бұрын

He is real, and he's all around you. The broken addict at the bus stop, the nurse at the hospital who breaks down crying because her job is making her go insane. There are plenty of ice king's around the world who think their story has ended because their troubles are making them feel like they aren't themselves anymore.

@enti

9 ай бұрын

Same, i've loved his character since i watched "i remember you" as a kid and i was so happy to have him back in "Come Along With Me" as much as i loved Ice KIng, now is HIS turn to have closure, i truly want to see him happy :,(

@hirohiro5034

8 ай бұрын

@@erikeriks ice king is just like me fr

@erorotic9236

8 ай бұрын

I hope so as well :( That would make me so happy. But I heard next episode would be sad af..

@inviisible

8 ай бұрын

i mean, he at least seemed to have a somewhat happy ending. he's starting to move on from betty and from what we see in the finale, he seems to be living a bit more of a happy life. of course he is probably still struggling, but it's clear he has more of a will to live now, and is finally happy.

Tom Kenny is a genius. His performance as both Simon and the Ice King is insanely amazing

@david_kim

8 ай бұрын

He’s seriously good, he voiced so many other characters in the show, there’s episodes where hes talking to himself as three different characters

Simon's story is straight up Shakespearian at this point, the cycle of tragedy for this guy is just, oof.

@musicaltheater8942

8 ай бұрын

Shakespeare WISHES he could write the way the adventure time writers wrote Simon

@lotushua4886

6 ай бұрын

@@musicaltheater8942fr shakespeare been real quiet since adventure time dropped

Ice king used to be my least favorite character when I was little, but after his backstory and his new writings (which the writers and creators did a wonderful job) Simon has got to be one of my favorite characters.

@kawaiibebsy2768

9 ай бұрын

Same.... I used to think of him as annoying pervert.

@Aereto

9 ай бұрын

​@@kawaiibebsy2768 When it turns out it was the curse from the crown itself.

@l.h.1429

9 ай бұрын

​ @kawaiibebsy2768 Even with that, he was my favorite character. His jerkness made laugh so many times. And his Simon Backstory was the first time I saw a so good tragic arc.

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265

8 ай бұрын

Him and Jake we're always my favorites. But yeah agreed.

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265

8 ай бұрын

@@l.h.1429 same bro.

Every character was so deeply explained and improved over the entire show's run. The character development of Simon is such a sad tale that ties in with Marceline and the last of the human race after the mushroom war. Tragedy is just a small price to pay for a much richer character in the end

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

Tragedy is also a price you should never pay when it comes to the pedo***** from Hollywood who traffic and abuse all the children they want

I hope when simon gets the crown he learns to control his sanity (not like the winter king, that method is fucked up) he deserves it after all the pain he had to endure

@YuTEM

9 ай бұрын

Maybe? Or maybe not. In the last episode for adventure time we saw a short segment where gunther ice king grew really large and was missing i think 2 other gems. And gunther ice king was fighting one of jake's descendant with one of the gems on his eye. So probably something went wrong with them.

@ashyunderscore

9 ай бұрын

​@@YuTEMThat's the Ice Thing, the thint Gunther became upon getting the crown. Simon is looking for another world's crown, though.

@ashyunderscore

9 ай бұрын

Regarding one thing about the powers is that, I don't think he should. Not only exactly are they a great source of pain for him, as it is what led to him losing everything including himself for a thousand years, but magic in Adventure Time is very directly tied to madness and sadness.

@johnnason5787

9 ай бұрын

​@@ashyunderscoreAlso consider Oberlorg turned Gunther became the Ice Thing because that primordial diety of destruction wished to be Ice Thing because after being on our planet for millions of years as a penguin, he found love with the Ice King. It was like the love of a mental person for their beloved pet, but it was enough to make Oberlorg desire that more than being a destructive force, and Finn and Jake put his true form down after a huge battle. So that will definitely come into play.

@ashyunderscore

9 ай бұрын

@@johnnason5787 nno. i think orgalorg just forgot he was orgalorg when he entered orbit a second time just like how he forgot the first time.

I personally hope Finn and especially Marceline become aware of his intentions to wear the crown again. Because I personally don’t think his friends are gonna let him or want him to become Ice King again, which in turn will put them in direct conflict with Fiona and Cake. Since they aren’t fully aware of the consequences of him putting the crown back on, Finn is probably gonna fight her in the Finale.

@burningfox4974

9 ай бұрын

I mean, Finn is somewhat aware, remember he was talking to Simon in the bar, Simon says “I sometimes dress up as Ice King and relive some memories, life was easier that way”. Fin was very accepting of both Simon and Ice King, but the crown was basically neutralized so Finn just tried to help clear his mind with an Adventure. He did ask Simon to concider talking to Marcy about it

@apirlfools

9 ай бұрын

@@burningfox4974 fin has seen learning the truth only seen ice king as simon its why he accepted simon

@lucidifying

9 ай бұрын

Fionna and cake need to just find a universe that shows them how awful the crown is

@burningfox4974

9 ай бұрын

@@lucidifying I mean…they still need the crown. Otherwise Bug boy will just kill Simon and her world will cease to exist. Sure she’s being a bit selfish trying to magicalize her world at the cost of Simons sanity (though there is a chance they can find a crown that doesn’t grant insanity due to Gunter not making the first wish), it still doesn’t change the fact that everyone she knows and loves is at risk of being deleted if Simon isn’t immortal.

@gibran2919

8 ай бұрын

​@@lucidifying I'm confident fionna n cake will see the actual effect of the crown in future episodes, it will create an interesting conflict within them

You have to love how Finn’s attitude and the way he handles the Ice King changes after he find out about Simon. He’s not some evil wizard, he’s just a sick man and genuinely can’t control himself. There’s no true malice in the Ice King’s actions. And Finn tends to take a more careful attitude when the Ice King acts up. It’s like if you had been beating up a dementia patient whenever they started freaking out over their own mind fading.

I always felt bad for simon since he was introduced, the guy has known nothing but torture since the start of adventure time, he even confirmed one time that he has bruses from all the beatings ice king took from all his battles with finn and jake

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

I appreciate how Finn and Jakes relationship towards ice king shifts throughout the series, they stop beating him up for the most part and actually hang out every now and then even though he's hard to deal with.

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

@@beanogames7182 One thing that's hard to deal with is how the media never talks about the pedo**** from epstein's islands and how they are still abusing kids

I love the whole Simon being "No one gets to choose how it happens". I love how he just sees a troubled child, and goes *scoop* and becomes dad mode.

It's stories like this that kids rightfully still remember and talk about with nostalgic reverence in their 20s and 30s, because it's just genuinely fantastic storytelling (and a seriously terrifying concept hidden inside of an otherwise colorful cartoon).

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

Episodes like Jake the Brick, Simon and Marcy, or the Hall of Egress really show how mature and interesting Adventure Time can be and I think that's why so many people have loved it while growing up.

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

@@beanogames7182 But do you want to know what's not mature and not interesting? All the pedophiles trafficking children and abusing them possibly until they day

It's sad that the reason simon never saw Betty again was because she went and saw the future simon

@TheHigherUps.

8 ай бұрын

We know

7:48 perfectly shows just how the character iceking is. Simon is still in there, deep deep inside its simon, just so warped its hard to tell its even him anymore.

@VantaDraws

8 ай бұрын

Absolute rizzler

@Raycherry348

8 ай бұрын

​@@VantaDrawshe rizz the entire ooo when he's shaved bruh 😭

@VantaDraws

8 ай бұрын

@@Raycherry348 he was a nice king to be fair

I always wonder how early they had this planned out because it's an incredibly clean retcon to turn a comic relief villain into one of the most emotionally damaging characters in Adventure Time.

@Cri_Jackal

8 ай бұрын

They didn't plan any of it. Ooo being a post nuclear war version of Earth wasn't a thing until the writers thought about where the Business Men could've come from, they were just supposed to be silly nonsense characters, but then they put on their theorist hats and theorized about their own show. Ice King being someone from before the war wasn't a thing until the episode with that tape. Simon having a connection with Marceline wasn't a thing until they questioned how on earth Ice King could know her "fries" song, since he randomly sung a parody of it in one episode. This leads to the first Marcy and Simon flashback later on. They were literally making shit up as they went along at EVERY individual step.

@mauricejohnson2351

8 ай бұрын

@@Cri_Jackaltheir geniuses

@rivy-lurk-869

8 ай бұрын

@@Cri_Jackal Ah, my favorite kind of storytelling Improv has to be my favorite cuz making shit up and having it be compelling is such a massive gamble but when it works, its absolutely fantastic. Makes it even more impressive considering this was done for television and not just your standard tabletop game.

@janzkee

4 ай бұрын

@@Cri_Jackalthats some next level storytelling there, they did what they wanted with the show and it turned out so beautiful and damning at the same time. for supposedly a kids show too

I genuinely cried every time I rewatched remember you and learn the context behind Ice king. Back then when I was younger and watched season 1, I used to hate Ice king and call him a weirdo. But now after learning everything from what he was back then to why he kidnaps princesses, I felt SO guilty and sorry for him in every way I can think of. I hope maybe one day, Simon can finally catch a break

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

But you know who you should really know is a weirdo? The people from Hollywood!!

@levilee207

8 ай бұрын

@@nohlanfisherman5185 What are you doing? You're not even an effective troll like that other weirdo in this comment section. Your weird, barely comprehensible pedo schtick is a bit of a reach. If you're going to try to stir the pot at least make it make sense, you goof.

@Xae-va

8 ай бұрын

I bring good news for you friend

They never show the moment but Simon canonically summoned and forced Hunson Abadeer to find and take care of Marceline, all while likely very much insane from the crown. He overpowered the king of the nightosphere.

simon thinks that if he becomes ice king again he'll stop missing betty, but ice king still feels that pain. It's why he's always looking for his princess!

@Teknanam

9 ай бұрын

Its not about not missing Betty. Its about being ignorant of why he's unhappy and fitting in with Ooo better as a magical being. That and his martyr complex for saving young girls at a personal cost..

@ItsMeGPZ

9 ай бұрын

true@@Teknanam

The worst is that he ain't even allowed to be safe, nopehe has to go back to square one to save a world that was put in his head by prismo. What? Was having lost the most important person in his life and having to live in a world he can't understand not enough?

@jarnold

9 ай бұрын

Hes the writers favorite punching bag

@ashyunderscore

9 ай бұрын

Arguably, it's what he was looking for, "something to look forward to". He literally refers to his days left wandering the world to a path without a concrete set goal.

@noahherrera3253

9 ай бұрын

​@@jarnoldhe is but I'm pretty sure there will be a good payout and Simon will be happy. Tom Kenny did say this is the most emotional he's ever been voice acting.

@owencole2406

9 ай бұрын

I think that makes him a hero, it’s tragic true but he is making a sacrifice to keep a universe safe and the rest of the multiverse from collapsing.

@owencole2406

9 ай бұрын

Also no one is making him do this sure the events are a bit forceful but he is making the choice also he has time to find a solution to the crowns madness. He knows it’s possible just the method is a bit wanting.

Simon is indisputably the most tragic character on this show. 😢

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

and that's comparing him to characters like Marceline, Fern, and Neptr, who was forgotten about for 15 months

@dayschange2

9 ай бұрын

@@beanogames7182 Not to mention Martin, who was a scoundrel who worked to become a better person, lost everything that mattered to him, possibly including his mind, and evolved into the worst version of himself.

@nohlanfisherman5185

8 ай бұрын

@@beanogames7182 But what's really tragic is all of the children abused in Hollywood and other places around the country. Jeffrey Epstein's friends are not small in numbers

@spongytrout7462

8 ай бұрын

at least Simon was barely concious during Ice King, Marceline had to witness and live with the fact that Simon was ice king for because of her. I’d argue Marcy is more tragic tbh

@BrailSays

8 ай бұрын

@@spongytrout7462 just imagining Simon & Marcy arguing, "No, YOU had it worse and i failed to help you!" the way me & my other trauma survivor friends get w/one another sometimes ( before finally accepting that trauma & tragedy isnt a contest, etc)

I can’t believe he went through all that, not to mention he held onto his identity for so long after he put the crown on compared to others losing their mind immediately

@leociresi4292

8 ай бұрын

Marceline’s story (Staked) was also a heartfelt bio

i really hope in the new series we get a nice ending for him where he can let his pain go and really live without hanging onto his sorrow and regret. among other things. us hearing him say "ima become the ice king again" is really making me sad cause it's just him saying "i give up" when he has a whole new opportunity to live and make the most of what's left of his life

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

That's why I wanted to make this video! I felt like the impact of him deciding to become Ice King again could be completely missed by people who didn't know the full backstory so i tried to tie it all together. its heartbreaking to hear him decide to return to his insanity after everything he's gone through.

thank you so much for this, simons story is so deep and tragic, and it’s been a few years since I binged the entire show

@dextertek9536

9 ай бұрын

Simian 💀

@egg_z

9 ай бұрын

PHAHAH- MY BAD@@dextertek9536

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

I've always wanted to make a collection of Simons story start to finish because the tragedy is always given to us in these interesting bits and pieces spread across different seasons. I'm glad you enjoyed it as much as I did making it :>

@marce420.7

7 ай бұрын

​​@@nohlanfisherman5185???? what does this comment even mean? was adventure time producers weird or something because ive never heard anything about it before, i hope not that's weird and gross

The fact that Simon actually a character whose inspiration is someone's father whom suffered from Alzheimer

The part where Simon and Marcy are travelling through the ruins of the world is the roughest for me. It was so selfless of him to protect her with his magic, even though he knew it would slowly transform him into the Ice King the more he did. He didn't see that Marcy was becoming less afraid of the monsters, and more afraid of losing her one true friend...

I've always wondered if simon was partially the cause of the mushroom war. His testing of the crown was clearly affecting the weather. Maybe the desperation caused by what they thought was a new ice age drove them to the mushroom war.

@PinkPrior

9 ай бұрын

Im convinced this exactly what happened and why he had to leave Marcy he was probably making it very cold everywhere he went with her.

@Aman123ace

9 ай бұрын

@@PinkPrior definitely one of the reasons he had to leave.

@lanztersgaming9653

9 ай бұрын

BF2142 scenario. New Ice Age, World War 3, nations fighting for the last habitable land on earth

@VantaDraws

8 ай бұрын

It was in the 80s/90s probably so.. Cold War pushed slightly too far?

@kermitgotthesickkicks4265

8 ай бұрын

@@VantaDraws hmm

I consider myself a tough guy when it comes to being emotional watching a movie, tv show or even reading a book, very few times i actually got emotional watching something and i can say for sure the episode Simon and Marcy is one of those, i really had to skip those parts while watching this video because i started to get a bit teary. Really love how they added depth to the character, from just a generic 2D "bower-esque" type of villain to a man with a tragic past who feels way more real than most characters in the series. Definitely my favorite character

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

My favorite part is when he sings the cheers theme to keep himself sane for Marcy, I always get teary eyed when watching it

@the_furry_inside_your_walls639

8 ай бұрын

And the craziest part is that they made it all up along the way and somehow managed to make it work out in the end.

I'm so glad Adventure Time is back and we're finally getting answers to various mysteries.

the way he’s just gotten back to normal but immediately jumps in to comfort Finn in what he thinks is their final moments…ahhh :(

I love that all of us hated and laughed at Ice King as kids, now we’re all collectively going “Simon honey nooooo let him be happy”

@TheImmortalMushroom

8 ай бұрын

Jokes on you I never hated or laughed at him! Even when he wasn't tragic

This is so sad. I really hope there's a way for Simon to save Fionna and Cake's world without having to turn into Ice King. We all just want you to be happy, Simon.

@leociresi4292

8 ай бұрын

We want Simon to find love again

i think the biggest tragedy is that through the course of fionna and cake, we learned that our simon and betty are their best selves in all the multiverse. their relationship was doomed on a cosmic scale.

In hindsight. Bettie could’ve gone out of Golb, since the Ice King didn’t revert back to his Prime form. Hence Simon remained the same. The crown would’ve remained the same.

@Teknanam

9 ай бұрын

@@danroyeliminating265 Jake literally explained it. Gunther used the crown and wished to become Ice King instead of wishing to be Orgalorg again.

@BE-fw1lr

8 ай бұрын

The problem wasn't getting out of GOLB, it was stopping him. The only way to stop GOLB from destroying Ooo (and by extension, Simon) is to merge with it.

@lamentslounge

8 ай бұрын

@@TeknanamTbf Wtf does jake know about what an immortal monster would want lol

@Teknanam

8 ай бұрын

@@lamentslounge Jake was certain that Gunter would restore themselves to Orgalorg. Pretty sure most would be certain. But then he just merges with the crown and becomes an Ice King-like being, which Jake notes. Its not the same process of crown corruption that Simon and other crown wearers got because no one else merges with the crown.

I am not sure why people consider Marceline shouldn't do anything just because she has a different life. Simon isn't blood related to her, but he cared for her as well as we could for as long as he could. It shouldn't be Simon who asks her to visit him, it should be Marceline interested in visiting him. She is eternal, why can she just gift him 50 yo of her own life to take care of him?

@matti.8465

9 ай бұрын

Simon is the one who hides his problems for Marceline as to not "freak her out". If he were honest about his feelings then she definitely would have dropped everything to help.

@Teknanam

9 ай бұрын

Who the heck says anything about their blood relation being a problem? Anyway, Marceline pushing herself into Simon's daily life would just result in Simon actively pushing her away. He doesn't want to be her burden. That's why he actively hides his problems from her and encourages her to live her own life. Simon would actively reject the suggestion of Marceline spending the rest of Simon's life taking care of him like he's some giant baby.

@BE-fw1lr

8 ай бұрын

What? People have their own lives, and Simon isn't old enough to need someone to take care of him physically. They clearly spend time together but if Simon wants more, he needs to ask.

@xanosghoul

7 ай бұрын

The answer to this is that she did actively try to help him and try to insert herself once she realized ice king is what Simon became. It just didn't work though because you can't willpower your way out of a cursed magic artifact.

4:49 bro I never realized that later on when they go inside the crown, it manifests as an actual labyrinth. Crazy callback

It’s like a metaphor for knowing someone struggling with dementia or other mind-altering traumas. Depressing stuff.

Simon has had it rough such a person shouldn’t have had to go through it all but he still did

I think its amazing how they give a random villain such a fitting and dramatic backstory. really makes you think

That crown is such an important part of adventure time and now especially in Fiona and Cake it's basically the main plot

It really is wild when the series started everyone was like "haha funny silly king lmao" and now its like "haha...traumatic past of an amazing character that i will grow to care about as time goes on and learn more about" like bruh😭

Wow this almost gave me tears. He was forced to use the crown to protect marceline, and then he had to abandon her because he was scared to hurt her. Betty did everything she could to bring Simon back instead of learning to love him like as ice king, sacrificing herself in the process. But Simon’s only wish was to see Betty again. Then he had nothing to live for and was left with massive trauma. If I understand correctly he had an identity crisis (he was wearing his ice king robe) and he doesn’t k ow what makes him happy anymore. Then he has to relive his trauma in order to protect a kid again because from what I know Fiona and Cake are his creations.

Betty turning into a an Eldrtich God to save her boyfriend made me tear up

"lowering at a super natural rate to what is now 30 degrees Celsius" IM SORRY WHAT? thats 85°F for the metrically challenged

@NotTheLastSoL

9 ай бұрын

Body temperature averages at 37°C with a low end of 36.3°C. Hypothermia sets in at 35°C internally. If a normal person had an internal temperature of 30°C they would be dying or dead.

@qwertyuoqwertyuo6508

9 ай бұрын

“metrically challenged” 😭😭 its not my fault america is like this!!!

@guifdcanalli

9 ай бұрын

Biology my dude, as room temperature 30°C is ok, as body temperature of warm blood animals such as humans, this is straight up death

“‘Just move forward Simon’ well maybe I don’t want to move forward, maybe I just want to sit right here” That was too relatable

One of the most tragic characters ever written. Fully aware of his insanity yet unable to escape it. A cursed addiction born from a mere goof. Looking for the love of his life, his princess, only for her to sacrifice herself after finally reuniting, so that he may return to himself, and life on. Man... what a guy.

Of all the things that happened to me, i think him crying when he sees Golbetty for the first time actually makes me so sad. You can feel the sadness in his voice and it just hurts so bad

@peke1822

8 ай бұрын

I almost cried watching that part on this video again

It’s honestly sad to see Simon’s downfall all because of the crown. It’s amazing that Simon tried to resist the crown for so long

Gotta be one of the most tragic characters in TV history

Seeing these in chronological order makes it even more tragic.

Gunther was so emotionally abused that he went mad with grief at failing the man who he couldn’t accept didn’t care

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

Kinda sad that his deepest wish was to become Evergreen and as soon as he did that he scolded himself for failing to stop the comet... Then he explodes

@Numatruehome

9 ай бұрын

@@beanogames7182 that must have been what corrupted the crown

10:28 "My Betty, my princess" AHHH STOP IT 😿

“No one gets to choice how it happens” I feel like this turn of phrase is going to be important again in the end.

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

That line really hits hard in any context

Wow! Great video, you made me cry, so good job. My poor boy Simon, I hope he gets the happiest ending.

When we first saw him we hated him but the longer we got to know him we eventually saw how tragic he actually was

Its honestly a mistery if Simon is now immortal or not after Betty wished for "Simon Safety" I remember there was this special episode where finn looked older than even Simon

@JustOnlyHallow

8 ай бұрын

He might have slowed aging but he isnt inmortal, he isnt seen in Together again, but hes older given of the white hair coming out

@pietrolollo1233

7 ай бұрын

​yeah,you're right! In Fionna and cake he is older

i think one of the most important aspects of simon is that he is a genuinely good person, and i hope fionna and cake doesnt leave that out during the series

Highly recommend this video for anyone needing a recap on Simon's story before his new adventure with Fionna and Cake.

He stayed consistently one of the best characters from beginning to now.

3 things i want to see in adventure time (like in spin off show or something) Simon life before the mushroom war and post, a mushroom war series and 1000 year future series that we saw at the end of adventure time

@bittercharmer1591

9 ай бұрын

We have Fiona amd Cake showing his post-life

i genuinely feel bad for this dude

I really do hope that this series ends well for Simon. I would love for the world to continue but more than anything having Simon finally come to peace whether it's getting Betty back or finding a new reason to live will be one of the most satisfying things after 13 years of seeing this man go from crazy to finding a new purpose in life.

It’s terrible about his life. From a regular man looking for something to research, to an insane ice wizard, to a depressed man. His whole life was destroyed.

Everyone just gaslighting simon :( Hope he got the happy ending he deserved in fionna and cake

7:47 Can’t believe we got the scene in the recent Fionna and Cake, where we see this image being taken, pose and all.

Simon and Marceline's story was for those people whose children are struggling with their loving parents slowly losing their minds from dementia.

i remember as a kid when they first showed who ice king was i didn’t really know how to care about it but years later when i got older i watched adventure again & i realized how sad it was for simon to literally lose himself

Ice King was really what made me fall in love with adventure time. He went from the comic relief villain, kidnapping princesses and messing with ooo, to a heartbreaking schizophrenic who just wants his princess back

If you told an Adventure Time fan back when season 1 was airing that this is what Ice King was going to end up like at the end of the show they would think you're crazy

Simon being easily one of the most loved characters in the show is something many fans would’ve never saw when it was the first 2 seasons of the show. I still shed a tear when I see the Simon and Marcy episodes, it’s so tragic, this man just wanted a normal life with the love of his life and still may never be able to get it.

Turning the crown from a curious quirk of Ice king to defeat him to one, if not the most, dark narrative point of the entire adventure time series is the reason why love this show and it stands as one of my favorite I've ever seen.

I love the part at 5:30, where he mentions he will arrange someone else to come take care of her or whatever - and he’s almost threatening when he says he’ll make sure he doesn’t leave. Wasn’t he referring to Marcie’s dad?

@chicapizza29

8 ай бұрын

Hey, he dont care as long as Marceline is safe. I'm sure he'd body a demon if he really wanted to, crown or not even if he failed.

@TheImmortalMushroom

8 ай бұрын

I'd say Finn but obviously not.

I used to hate the ice king when i was younger. But now after I’ve re-watched the entire series including episodes of Fiona and Cake, he has become my favorite character ever since. I feel so bad, Betty and Simon deserve their happy ending

A man who could've had it all, a career and a loving wife, but lost it all. All because of that crown It's truly the most tragic story ever told in cartoon network history

I'm very glad that they are continuing the trajectory of Simon's story in Fionna and Cake, we can see how depressed he is about not having gotten over Betty's "death" yet, and apparently he will meet her again, at least what we saw in the trailer (or that could be a flashback), so I hope he ends up having a happy ending.

Poor Simon...

Simon was willing to sacrifice his sanity multiple times for the people he cared for, even if it did turn him into a shell of his former self.

11:40 okay that girl desserved having her book thrown into the trash where it rightfully belongs.

@fungoloide

8 ай бұрын

exactly, aint no way im going to respect you dissin' my boy like that

I wonder why Simon doesn't just learn magic. He lives in a magical world now, there's nothing stopping him from learning. Also, with the way the series is going, I wonder if the crown he's going to end up stealing is the one inflicted with Betty's wish instead of Simons "However it needs to happen, keep Simon safe"

@swarlock

9 ай бұрын

Magic isn't The End All/Be All thing it is. It all depends on Right orr Wrong choices.

@coo1gam3r49

9 ай бұрын

nah magic isn't what they're really after, it's ice king's crazy mind. if he just learned magic then Fiona's world would still be boring and depressing but has a bit of magic in it.

@guifdcanalli

9 ай бұрын

Also there is a simple equation that rules over their world Magic = madness and sadness, Simon can never be truly sane using it, even mages such as Huntress wizard have some social disfunction and obssessive behavior

@EldritchDoodler4828

9 ай бұрын

I’m pretty sure everyone in Ooo has some level of “irradiation” that’s been passed down since magic first came back to this world- Simon was born in a time where it wasn’t that big of a force, with the elementals’ powers being extremely limited So I imagine the reason the wizards can do what they do is that they have a higher concentration of magic in their bodies- the crown being an artificial way of forcing that upon someone

@ppbrain2328

9 ай бұрын

I've thought about this too, but I think it's a personal choice. He's an antiquarian, he's shown to actively collect and care a lot about his possessions and writings whether he is Simon or Ice King. He kept archives and wrote constantly. I think its a matter of both pride in his passions and his negative associations of magic due to the crowd.

It’s genuinely amazing how they made this super creative story about a lost love, something that we couldn’t see when we were young but can look back at the seasons of creativity they gave us. I truly appreciate Cartoon Network for giving good stories while making them fun to watch in our younger years.

The sad part is that when you see how winter king became, it seemed like Simon's held on to his sanity. Ice king was actually holding back a lot

this truly is tragic he used to wear glasses

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

Now everybody know it!

@beanogames7182

9 ай бұрын

I was actually going to end the video with that clip but I felt like it cut the drama I had spent the entire video building... I was really close to keeping it tho