Dear OEMs, more 10k options at lower lofts please!

@josephinecampbell3196

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@incufan32

2 ай бұрын

Get a Gen 2 PXG 0811XF in 9 degree!

@valdez715

2 ай бұрын

Yes 💯

@lawbinson

2 ай бұрын

@@incufan32 What I’m talking about is something that can go down to a 6 degree like an 8 degree Taylormade can.

@toonlad4091

2 ай бұрын

PXG do 8* in the gen7…dial that down

I got fitted 2 weeks ago and the Taylor spun like it was its day job getting in the 4 and 5 thousands lol ping was dialed 2500 spin all day long with 276 carry all day love the new ping

You mentioned it during the video, but I do think it would be great if Mike had a fully comprehensive fitting with the PXG to see just how much you can squeeze out of it. I have the Tour-1 version and I absolutely LOVE it.

Love to see the Mizuno tweeked a little, or even all of them actually spec'd for him and see where they all actually stack up.

Was fitted into the Ping 10k with a kai'li white stiff shaft(9 degree head). I just had my first round with it this year, it feels like a cheat code, just an absolute fairway finder. Hoping this takes me into single digit handicap!

Awesome video for the average golfer, I definitely don't have Mike's speed, but just the forgiveness is perfect. 4 chioces to go try, comes down to looks, sound, feel. which, as a mid HCer, I would look for those in a driver for sure.TY

Mikey might want to try the STX-230. I have it and it was to eliminate a touch fade. It just goes straight and can get turned over a bit. I love that driver!

Good content as always. I understand the reason for keeping the shaft the same BUT it would have been interesting to see Mikey fit with the best shaft combo for the head. Would the outcome have been the same?

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

If we had a spare 4 hours we could have done that!! 😂

Mikey with green hair at 9:52! Do it Mikey!

Tried my buddies this weekend. It was set to 9 degrees which is just a bit too low for me so I had a hard time getting it up in the air. I usually play a 10.5, so maybe that would work just fine. Overall, it did feel really good though off the face and stayed on line really well.

Mike giving Ian such a hard time about changing his bag too often 😂 cue to Mikey saying he needs to revamp the bag 1 month into the season.

@wooltron1

2 ай бұрын

He should probably revamp the pants before the bag.

Dana TB 50 stiff is absolutely perfect for me too!

I’m playing the Mizuno ST-Max 230 and it is an amazing driver

Mikey's swing path is getting so far left since he tried to get quicker. Please help him, Ian. Looks like he should be hitting shanks

Mike is a machine

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

A washing machine?? 😂

@Hi_Scoops

2 ай бұрын

@@ianfrasergolfouch. Im calling HR. 😂

I play the ST Max with a hzrds smoke green 6.5. Absolute beast!

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

Great Driver I like it!!

When is the Taylor made new utility iron video? Pdi and udi!

Scotty is playing pretty good with it

I see someone got the Scotty happy feet shuffle going 🔀

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

That’s where the comparisons start and end!! 🤣

I love your content. I just tested both TM and Ping in 9* heads. 100mph swing speed and was seeing good ball speeds on both. I used the manufacturers shaft options and didn't notice Ping feeling heavier. Is that because Ping's shaft options are counterbalanced ?

@BlueDragonKorea

2 ай бұрын

Their stock shafts/manufacturer shafts are often counterbalanced, which would explain why you felt that the Ping wasn't heavier. (Mikey played the same shaft in all 4 drivers, which is why he felt the Ping head weight more.)

@atxrich

2 ай бұрын

Yep the added weight in handle does make for a lighter feeling club. The Alta shafts are counterbalanced. There was a time they offered the Tensei Orange which was another counter balanced shaft. Ping driver heads are heavier than most if I’m not mistaken so a CB shaft can help offset that extra head weight. I game the TSR3 with HZDRUS Red CB. It’s counterbalanced and felt great in my testing though noticeably lighter feeling compared to drivers I’d played in the past so there was a negligible adjustment period.

@Slymax95

2 ай бұрын

@@atxrichPing rep/fitter put me in Ping's Tour Chrome 2.0 65S which I think is also possibly counterbalanced. TM rep/fitter had me in a Tensei Blk 65S which I also liked the feel of. Later I tried the Ping Tour Black 65S and found it to be very stable, similar to the Tensei Black. Ping is at the top of my list right now. Still undecided on a Chrome 65S or 75S shaft for the G430 Max 3W as well.

So question…my handicap is around 18 right now (will come down once I actually play more and get back into my rhythm). That being said, I’ve been watching you and some others on drivers and seems like there was a trend of if you had faster swing speed you went into a LS head, but seeing more tour guys going away from LS models (they can control it way better obviously), but I am thinking my fitter saw swing speed and gravitated to LS heads although my handicap is higher. Interested to hear your take on this. Just concerned about getting onto course and struggling to keep it in play (since had some wayward shots with driver was fitted for).

I tried the Ping G430 Max10K for a while and I found I struggled with it's dispersion (and got a lot of toe hits as well?!?). I ended up selling it and keeping my Ping G430 LST, thinking the other would have been easier to hit. Who knew...

@454budman

2 ай бұрын

G425 max is even more forgiving

@TheTrze2323

2 ай бұрын

Kept my G400 LST 🤣

@CharlotteK2008

2 ай бұрын

I had the exact same experience. QI10 Max was night and day for me

Would like to see the dispersion much more clearer next time. Of all data this one is the most important for ultra forgiving Drivers. Same with height of ball flight too.

PXG was clearly better. Smallest dispersion, lowest spin, fastest ball speed. get the launch up (maybe 10.5 degree head) and it'll fly farther than the TaylorMade. Seems like Ian made up his mind on TaylorMade before the test.

Results pretty much match mine but I went with ping. I launch high anyway so the ping being lower was perfect for me.

I did a fitting back at the end of March, tried all of these “10K” drivers and ended up in a TSR2. Just goes to show you don’t just go with the marketing hype. Stay unbiased and test everything

@Captainchaos14

2 ай бұрын

most of the 10k drivers, such as the qi, are just max draw heads. only two with neutral cg are ping and a little bit of the pxg

@christophers9727

2 ай бұрын

@@Captainchaos14 couldnt be further from the truth. really need to research before spewing misinformation

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

@@Captainchaos14yeh that’s not true at all.

@Captainchaos14

2 ай бұрын

@@christophers9727 it’s completely true. have you stared at the qi max? it’s a complete draw head rebranded as a max forgiving head. spin killer as well

Ian~ What was the loft of tested driver? 9 or 10.5?

I know people ask for matching shafts and static lofts. But, in your opinion, would it be better to test with drivers using different components and heads that are reasonably optimized for how the swinger is swinging that club? Thanks as always, gents.

@jongeephotography

2 ай бұрын

So a full driver fit for every head tested? Sounds exhausting......

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

If you are truly looking to test the performance characteristics of each head you have to isolate the variables. It’s not feasible to test each Driver it’s fully optimized configuration.

@lawbinson

2 ай бұрын

@@ianfrasergolf That’s a fair response. Thank you good sir.

I don’t understand PXG “fitting”. I thought the idea was to get the best club for your swing, and then dial it in. How is a golfer supposed to compare PXG with all the other brands, when they can’t be tested and fitted head to head?

Wonder if titleist has one later this year and how good it will be compared to qi10

@mugz_1437

23 күн бұрын

They have the gt versions coming shortly, but no mention of 10k

Acoustics are so much better than that awful G425 Max

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

Acoustics are 👌🏼

What’s the distance drop off when you flush a 10k vs a long bomber driver tho

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

Depends on the delivery of the player.

Ping 10k for the steeper swingers is great

@454budman

2 ай бұрын

Ping drivers are amazing

Can we get a round 2 of the Taylormade and the PXG? Rules: any and all mods allowed to each club to see which one really comes out on top for Mikey.

I’m keeping my Paradym. Compared it to the rest, not worth spending what they want for these new ones … especially the PING. $975

would have liked seeing the Qi10 run thru a few shots at say 8* loft.

@steve827

2 ай бұрын

The qi10 isn’t even close to the ping … they love TM that’s why it was spot lighted , I’ve hit em all and the ping smokes every other 10k offerings .. I swing around 122 average on foresight and the ping was around 2300-2500 the rest were all 3200+

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

@@steve827”They” don’t love the Qi10. It’s one of my least favourite Taylormade Drivers in a while and I’ve said that since it launched so probably best not to assume what people think. I much prefer the PXG and the Ping.

@steve827

2 ай бұрын

@@ianfrasergolf I wasn’t referring to you as they , I was just using the word more generally … the QI10 has been fanboyed throughout the year through most of the KZread golf videos this was more of a generalised comment not picking out TXG (club champ ) as a brand etc

TM LS spun crazy low for me with Ventus blue and 8 degree, spin was 500. Way to low but it was amazing for me because i am a high spin player. Ended up with Ventus Black tr 7s with 9 degree QI10 LS. 2k spin

@mashedpotatoes5276

2 ай бұрын

TM LS spun crazy low, but you ended up with the QI10 LS (TM)

@tonyperez8594

2 ай бұрын

@@mashedpotatoes5276"TM LS spun crazy low for me **WITH** Ventus blue and 8 degree" I was referencing the shaft. The Ventus Blue spun at about 500 RPM which is too low. I went with a Ventus Black TR 7S. That shaft head combo spun on average at about 1,900-2k RPM.

What is the digital loft of each head, we know they can vary, no? Could TMAG just have been higher lofted?

@clubchampionmedia

2 ай бұрын

We dont digitally measure each head.

Damn it I just finished my videos shooting the same thing. Love your content and highly agree on everything you guys said. The 10k ..... I'm starting to think it's more of a marketing ploy but all the drivers were great.

A bit of a false headline bordering on bait and switch🙂. This was hardly a test designed to identify the 10K King as much as it was a mini fitting to see what works best for Mikey, who has some pretty distinctive features of his golf swing that may well not translate all that much to others. I say that just to be frank and not as a form of criticism. I have tested three of these (not the Mizuno) and in appropriately fitted shafts, etc. for my swing : different shafts in each given the difference in head weights and other factors. By far the best for me was the Ping with a Ventus Red shaft that provided me consistent (relatively lower spin) and higher launch in a 10.5 head. I play regular shaft at a few weeks short of my 77th birthday, but I can still play and am a golf coach. One thing that has become clear to me with age and the loss of strength if not flexibility (as much) is that the range of head/shaft matches that work for me -- both in irons and woods -- has narrowed considerably. At one time I could play nearly any combination within reason; and now the differences are magnified and the drop off can be alarming. I find it most frustrating when it comes to irons. I don't have the speed to keep most player's distance irons in the air enough to benefit from the technology designed to increase ball speed ( it's a disaster with Callaway PD irons for me). This problem is theoretically solved by GI clubs, not because they are higher spinning, but because the CG is so low that descent angle compensates for landing issues. Problem is that most of these look like kitchen utensils, have too much offest and are nearly useless when trying to work the ball. I'd love to go through a fitting with you guys just because I know I represent a small subset of players, but it is a serious group of golfers nonetheless: low handicap/former scratch or better golfers who've played well for 30-50 years most of which was accomplished with players clubs -- in my case it started with Tourney CF4000 irons then Mizunos eventually and then just trying to figure it out: how to make up a bit for lost distance and speed, needing to work the ball to score, needing to get height because we still play serious golf courses that require irons over bunkers protecting greens, etc. And not wanting to move up to the Senior tees because the courses we play don't offer the strategic challenge at those distances. The one I have played most of my adult life (The Yale Golf Course) was designed to be played from what is now the championship tees. The other tees were an afterthought. This is more common than one would think. Right now the best compromise I have found is the Titleist T150s, but I think there are few irons that fit the bill and I am thinking more than ever that it's more an issue of completely restructuring the bag than anything else. I think for golfers like me, the pressure on designers is not at the top or the bottom of the bag, but in the middle, finding clubs that substitute for 4,5, and even 6 irons that are workable, launch high, with some stopping power, and then combining these with distance clubs at the top of the bag and scoring clubs at the bottom where you don't feel embarrassed by a 7i that goes 135 yds or a bit less that you used to be able to hit 170 when it was 36* and so on. If I could put a non compromise set of clubs together that fit my eye and style of golf, i'd probably be happy playing a player's CB or blade even from 7i up, and like everyone else we are looking for the same things more or less with driver and 3wd (I actually use a 5 wd myself instead) but between that and the 7i is where all the issues really lay. And I. know I am not alone in this. Not a segment of the golfing world that manufacturers are likely to attend too much to, but many of us are among those who were athletes who took up golf early and helped make it a sport that athletes and not just wealthy folks played 🙂. I'd like to see some episodes putting a bag together for someone whose game is much like mine these days. A former scratch or better golfer who now plays off around 5 from the member tees (and for fun and pain plays from the back tees on occasion) who used to hit an 8 iron into the green but from 150-160, but now would have to use a 5 or 6 iron but could never get it over the bunker or near the pin, and picks up a hybrid instead that has too large standard deviation and is draw biased, and not workable. Not complaining. Just identifying a kind of market gap that is particularly worrisome for a whole category of golfers.

If you want a real MOI old school vs new school test put your winner here against Callaway's FT-IZ. You might be surprised!

It’s all anout how a driver performs on a golf coure as Mike said. I would add - Not on a Sales Stimulator! 😊 I got a price for a PXG BO with my shaft. $895 + $40 for shipping. Whats next?? A $3000 driver??

What happened to Callaway?

@Mike_Torres_Golf

2 ай бұрын

Callaway isn't MOI 10k

Can you find a driver for Michael to help draw the ball?

I dunno... look at the Mizuno you hit it dead center... to me it seems like it fit well... everyone favors TM drivers but that Mizuno seemed better IMHO... or am I just not seeing something?

An oem that makes available a 10k driver at 6-7 degrees of loft will get my immediate attention 🤷‍♂️

@Ryan_2488

2 ай бұрын

Pxg Black Ops 8° (stock loft sleeve gives you a range from 6.5°-9.5°)

@mattchalk7296

2 ай бұрын

@@Ryan_2488 that it does I need a 6/7degree I can turn down to open face in a 10k they launch to high currently 8* tsr3 turned down to 7.25 and it’s a great driver I loved the ping g425 max 9 turned to 7.5 but launched to high and sounded like a shotgun 🤣 it’s a me problem I don’t like to see loft with a driver 🤷‍♂️

I’m extremely disappointed by PXG black ops. At the store, it out performed my Sim 2 max by 50 yards. When I took it to another track man studio, do my own testing, it is actually shorter than the sim 2 max. My sim 2 max also doesn’t have an upgraded shaft with PXG. Return it, I have to pay for shipping and 12% restocking fee.

@clubchampionmedia

2 ай бұрын

I have no idea how that’s even possible for there to be 50+ yard swing from the bay to the course. Can you retest it with them?

who are all these people hitting balls 240 ,250 carry I don't believe it that swing is a 200 carry max out here in western Washington 😅

@LegacyAirTech

2 ай бұрын

Mikeys swing does look slow, but it seems like he’s generating ~150mph ball speed which should result in a 240yd carry

@ohwowthatsgood

2 ай бұрын

That simulator doesnt create accurate driver numbers.

@marcuszettergren8885

2 ай бұрын

@@ohwowthatsgood In this case at least, it does. 103mph with that launch and spin is 240-250 carry.

@socalgolf9978

2 ай бұрын

he swings about 100 mph

@marcuszettergren8885

2 ай бұрын

@@socalgolf9978 101-104. Perfectly normal numbers. Carry checks out. I am in the same speed myself and i don't even have a launch monitor.

Why no Calloway AI Smoke?

@clubchampionmedia

2 ай бұрын

Callaway don’t make a 10k version.

what happened to 160 bs Mikey?

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

📉 trending in the wrong direction!!

You could have set the green at 280yds for Mikey.... Very cruel

@ianfrasergolf

2 ай бұрын

Just had to tease him with the 300yd carrot!!

Could you imagine if Mikey's swing path was inside to out? He'd be at 275 carry easy.

@I_Luv_Ma_Squad

2 ай бұрын

We all know he could get better performance with a more ideal swing path, but I actually like his swing as it is because it’s a good example of what 95% of average golfers do.

@fraserh3716

2 ай бұрын

​@@I_Luv_Ma_Squad as someone who also swings it in the low 100's I certainly appreciate the comparison. All these tour+ swing speeds feel a bit irrelevant after a while

@fraserh3716

2 ай бұрын

Yeah could squeeze a few extra yards. Consistent fade is a great fairway finder though

bad swing too much arms! 🤮